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« on: May 01, 2018, 12:18:33 pm »

There is concern over a proposed zoning change that could make residential driveways wider than city streets:

http://midtowntulsahomes.com/2018/04/27/expanded-driveway-zoning-amendment-threatens-midtown/


The Home Builders Association of Greater Tulsa wants wider curb-cuts for 3-car driveways, or as much as half the frontage paved.

The following points, made in a letter to the TMAPC by the Bicycle/Pedestrian Advisory Committee further illustrate why this proposal is contrary to building a more livable city:

    Driveways, by definition, cross pedestrian pathways. Wider driveways increase the size of this conflict zone and reduce the comfort and safety of people who walk.
    Wide driveways enable higher driving speeds on residential streets and encourage drivers to make faster turns. The extra width allows for a wide turn radius and eliminates the need to slow while approaching a turn.
    Wide driveways are associated with street-facing multi-car garages.  Street-facing garages mean more blank walls, fewer windows, and fewer “eyes on the street.”
    Wider driveways mean more asphalt and less green space. They contribute to heat islands, eliminate space for shade trees, and increase runoff to local stormwater sewer systems.
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2018, 02:27:57 pm »

Again...we need alleys..again.

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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2018, 03:25:08 pm »

What ever came of this, was it passed by TMAPC?
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2018, 04:14:47 pm »

What ever came of this, was it passed by TMAPC?

It was postponed until the proletariat loose interest.
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2018, 07:33:12 pm »

Again...we need alleys..again.



Great idea...Let's go backwards...
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2018, 11:32:54 pm »

I though everyone one wanted Tulsa to be the utopian dream of bicycles, Uber, car sharing of electric cars, trolleys, street cars, light rail, high speed rail, no gas pumps, and everyone walked or pedaled everywhere unless you needed to use an app to use a car by the hour?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2018, 07:12:44 am »

Half the frontage paved...  that sounds like an attractive residential area.
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2018, 07:51:55 am »

Great idea...Let's go backwards...

Expand on that thought.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2018, 08:03:48 am »

Expand on that thought.


It wasn't a thought...   But I would love to see him try to expand on that or even express a thought!!



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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2018, 08:11:41 am »

Great idea...Let's go backwards...


Yes.  Backwards to where there was actually architectural style in housing with the necessary utility related items at the back, unseen from the front, on a service access link - like gas meters, electric meters, trash pickup, entry to garage.

As opposed to the "pinnacle" of 20th century design - the big honking garage at the front of the house!   Oh, it is soooo attractive for the main architectural feature to be a barn door!!   Never.

I think Chimney Hills must be the ultimate delusion about 'classy design' in Tulsa.  They are beyond anal (Breadburner is gonna get a thrill here) in their embracing the garage as the central architectural feature - and the HOA...well, it's just not 'all that and a bag of chips' for classy housing design.

But hey, if you think that is attractive, well it just shows how all of your taste is in your mouth.



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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2018, 08:13:06 am »

Half the frontage paved...  that sounds like an attractive residential area.


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