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« Reply #360 on: March 26, 2015, 11:53:27 am »

Oops. Those pesky dash cams. You can't be arresting black people if your Mexican or White. The video just don't make you look to good.

http://news.yahoo.com/video-shows-motorist-pulled-car-beaten-cop-164614163.html
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« Reply #361 on: March 26, 2015, 11:55:53 am »

Oops. Those pesky dash cams. You can't be arresting black people if your Mexican or White. The video just don't make you look to good.

http://news.yahoo.com/video-shows-motorist-pulled-car-beaten-cop-164614163.html

Why are cops getting so much more violent when crime rates are at the lowest level in decades? Are they bored? I'm just about done with giving cops the benefit of the doubt in violent situations anymore. Cameras don't lie.
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« Reply #362 on: March 26, 2015, 03:43:03 pm »

Maybe its already covered here, but the guy being handcuffed across from his university dorm by two cops who had him down with a knee in his back. He kept telling them "I'm a UV student!" It was obvious he was easily subdued but the officer kept saying, "Why are you resisting? Stop resisting!" For the camera no doubt.

It would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic. He was arrested for uttering a profanity iirc.
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« Reply #363 on: March 26, 2015, 08:55:10 pm »

Why are cops getting so much more violent when crime rates are at the lowest level in decades? Are they bored? I'm just about done with giving cops the benefit of the doubt in violent situations anymore.


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« Reply #364 on: March 28, 2015, 06:48:42 am »

Why are cops getting so much more violent when crime rates are at the lowest level in decades? Are they bored? I'm just about done with giving cops the benefit of the doubt in violent situations anymore. Cameras don't lie.

I'm with you on that one! There are some in authority that you swear went into the profession so they could legally bully, harass, and abuse others.

My thoughts are there were always a lot of crooked cops who tortured others and it's first now coming out in the open. Years ago there were no cell phones or camera-carrying people and juries and judges and all of us nearly always believed the cops over citizens, especially citizens who were a minority. Sad to now learn that the people we were taught to look up to and respect are the same as everyone else. Many good ones, but plenty of bad ones, too. I don't care if it's cops or preachers, they've all got their bad ones in the bunch.
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« Reply #365 on: March 28, 2015, 04:34:21 pm »

Sad to now learn that the people we were taught to look up to and respect are the same as everyone else. Many good ones, but plenty of bad ones, too.

Its just that when the bad ones are the top, the good ones have no where to go.
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« Reply #366 on: March 28, 2015, 05:10:41 pm »

Oops. Those pesky dash cams. You can't be arresting black people if your Mexican or White. The video just don't make you look to good.

http://news.yahoo.com/video-shows-motorist-pulled-car-beaten-cop-164614163.html



Six dashcams, yet no audio from any.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/25/violent-arrest-floyd-dent_n_6941714.html

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCaxov73ckQ[/youtube]
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« Reply #367 on: March 28, 2015, 05:15:34 pm »

   Henderson [Nevada] police arrested a family for refusing to let officers use their homes as lookouts for a domestic violence investigation of their neighbors, the family claims in court.
    Anthony Mitchell and his parents Michael and Linda Mitchell sued the City of Henderson, its Police Chief Jutta Chambers, Officers Garret Poiner, Ronald Feola, Ramona Walls, Angela Walker, and Christopher Worley, and City of North Las Vegas and its Police Chief Joseph Chronister, in Federal Court….

    “On the morning of July 10th, 2011, officers from the Henderson Police Department responded to a domestic violence call at a neighbor’s residence,” the Mitchells say in the complaint.

    It continues: “At 10:45 a.m. defendant Officer Christopher Worley (HPD) contacted plaintiff Anthony Mitchell via his telephone. Worley told plaintiff that police needed to occupy his home in order to gain a ‘tactical advantage’ against the occupant of the neighboring house. Anthony Mitchell told the officer that he did not want to become involved and that he did not want police to enter his residence. Although Worley continued to insist that plaintiff should leave his residence, plaintiff clearly explained that he did not intend to leave his home or to allow police to occupy
his home. Worley then ended the phone call.

    Mitchell claims that defendant officers, including Cawthorn and Worley and Sgt. Michael Waller then “conspired among themselves to force Anthony Mitchell out of his residence and to occupy his home for their own use.”

    The complaint continues: “Defendant Officer David Cawthorn outlined the defendants’ plan in his official report: ‘It was determined to move to 367 Evening Side and attempt to contact Mitchell. If Mitchell answered the door he would be asked to leave. If he refused to leave he would be arrested for Obstructing a Police Officer. If Mitchell refused to answer the door, force entry would be made and Mitchell would be arrested.'”

    It continues: “The officers banged forcefully on the door and loudly commanded Anthony Mitchell to open the door to his residence.

    “Surprised and perturbed, plaintiff Anthony Mitchell immediately called his mother (plaintiff Linda Mitchell) on the phone, exclaiming to her that the police were beating on his front door.
    “Seconds later, officers, including Officer Rockwell, smashed open plaintiff Anthony Mitchell’s front door with a metal ram as plaintiff stood in his living room.
    “As plaintiff Anthony Mitchell stood in shock, the officers aimed their weapons at Anthony Mitchell and shouted obscenities at him and ordered him to lie down on the floor….

    “Although plaintiff Anthony Mitchell was lying motionless on the ground and posed no threat, officers, including Officer David Cawthorn, then fired multiple ‘pepperball’ rounds at plaintiff as he lay defenseless on the floor of his living room. Anthony Mitchell was struck at least three times by shots fired from close range, injuring him and causing him severe pain….”

    Officers then arrested him for obstructing a police officer, searched the house and moved furniture without his permission and set up a place in his home for a lookout, Mitchell says in the complaint.

    He says they also hurt his pet dog for no reason whatsoever: “Plaintiff Anthony Mitchell’s pet, a female dog named ‘Sam,’ was cowering in the corner when officers smashed through the front door. Although the terrified animal posed no threat to officers, they gratuitously shot it with one or more pepperball rounds. The panicked animal howled in fear and pain and fled from the residence. Sam was subsequently left trapped outside in a fenced alcove without access to water, food, or shelter from the sun for much of the day, while temperatures outside soared to over 100 degrees Fahrenheit.”

The most obvious obstacle to winning a Third Amendment claim here is that police arguably do not qualify as “soldiers.” On the other hand, as Radley Balko describes in his excellent new book 'The Rise of the Warrior Cop', many police departments are increasingly using military-style tactics and equipment, often including the aggressive use of force against innocent people who get in the way of their plans. This appears to be an example of that trend. In jurisdictions where the police have become increasingly militarized, perhaps the courts should treat them as “soldiers” for Third Amendment purposes.



http://volokh.com/2013/07/04/a-real-live-third-amendment-case/

http://www.scribd.com/doc/151769636/Mitchell-v-City-of-Henderson-et-al-Complaint

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« Reply #368 on: March 28, 2015, 09:13:00 pm »

I'm with you on that one! There are some in authority that you swear went into the profession so they could legally bully, harass, and abuse others.

My thoughts are there were always a lot of crooked cops who tortured others and it's first now coming out in the open. Years ago there were no cell phones or camera-carrying people and juries and judges and all of us nearly always believed the cops over citizens, especially citizens who were a minority. Sad to now learn that the people we were taught to look up to and respect are the same as everyone else. Many good ones, but plenty of bad ones, too. I don't care if it's cops or preachers, they've all got their bad ones in the bunch.




Deputy police chief arrested on drug charges

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fresno-drug-charge-arrests-20150326-story.html

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/03/27/403581/US-police-chief-busted-on-drug-charges


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« Reply #369 on: March 29, 2015, 07:49:54 am »

Why are they always put on paid administrative leave? How many jobs are there where someone who gets caught selling drugs gets a paid vacation from their employer? If it would happen that the officer is found not guilty, they could always give him back pay rather then rewarding him with a vacation for being a criminal, couldn't they?
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« Reply #370 on: March 29, 2015, 10:00:28 am »

Why are they always put on paid administrative leave? How many jobs are there where someone who gets caught selling drugs gets a paid vacation from their employer? If it would happen that the officer is found not guilty, they could always give him back pay rather then rewarding him with a vacation for being a criminal, couldn't they?

Because you have cops like the one in Owasso that wants back overtime.
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« Reply #371 on: March 29, 2015, 10:28:46 am »

Because they have the same protections the rest of us have, Jammie. They are innocent until proven guilty even when the evidence is overwhelming that they are guilty. Therefore, their employer (the taxpayer), must put them on leave until the charges are proven lest they sue us if they are found not guilty.

Its pragmatism over emotion.

Meanwhile, I wonder just how effective drug testing is in law enforcement. I have heard that one nearby town recently called for an impromptu drug testing and none of its officers showed up. Apparently, they didn't feel they could pass.
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« Reply #372 on: March 29, 2015, 03:57:54 pm »

Because they have the same protections the rest of us have, Jammie. They are innocent until proven guilty even when the evidence is overwhelming that they are guilty. Therefore, their employer (the taxpayer), must put them on leave until the charges are proven lest they sue us if they are found not guilty.

Its pragmatism over emotion.

Meanwhile, I wonder just how effective drug testing is in law enforcement. I have heard that one nearby town recently called for an impromptu drug testing and none of its officers showed up. Apparently, they didn't feel they could pass.

How long would it take for your employer to fire you if they caught you dealing narcotics?   Would they wait for a conviction? 

Due process should apply to everyone equally, all the time.  In the real world, however, there are double standards.
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« Reply #373 on: March 29, 2015, 06:07:34 pm »

How long would it take for your employer to fire you if they caught you dealing narcotics?   Would they wait for a conviction? 

Due process should apply to everyone equally, all the time.  In the real world, however, there are double standards.

Everyone has the same protections, you just don't have a police union negotiating on your side....

I bet most unions have some sort of protections.   
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« Reply #374 on: March 29, 2015, 06:12:33 pm »

I've had some really bad dealings with Tulsa cops. But then there's been some that've been really great. I think it's like any job where someone has authority, there's some bad apples & there's good ones. But it's possible too that people that crave that kind of dominance & aggression might seek out positions of authority.
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