Police misconduct 2

[patric]

So the cop sues the guy he punched for cutting his fist on his teeth?   
Words cant describe how low that is.

Apologies in advance for thread drift, but how many times have we heard police say they wont release dashcam video because a case is still open, or it has to go to a special laboratory for a couple weeks to be "enhanced?"
...but if its critical of someone besides them, its promoted to TV stations within hours?

http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/accused-drunk-driver-goes-wrong-way-ba-expressway/nnbMN/

[Vashta Nerada]

And yet there is still hope; not all cops are jumping on the "we are under siege" bandwagon.

Watch the video where the police spokesman basically parots the "we are under seige" line, and that the streets are too dangerous for officers to be alone:

http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/jenks-police-take-steps-toward-officer-safety/nnfw3/

But as we read here, the police' own numbers dont support that paranoia, and if you compare the number of police killed to the number of people killed by police, you have to wonder exactly who is under seige:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

[Vashta Nerada]

After he is told it is being recorded he threatens to impound the car and tear the tapes apart.  When he is told that the tape is not in the car by transmitted he suddenly has an awakening and calms down and acts more like you would expect him to.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1961.asp

If you are foolish enough to tell a cop you are recording your traffic stop, the next words out of his mouth will be "I smell marijuana, so im searching your car" and he wont stop untill your recording never existed.

[Vashta Nerada]

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (AP) — A driver who led authorities on a 100-mph freeway chase was struck by gunfire from a San Bernardino County sheriff's helicopter before dying, the agency confirmed Saturday.
However, the official cause of death will await an autopsy, a Sheriff's Department statement said. It didn't indicate how many times the driver was shot.

Friday's shooting was the seventh from a sheriff's helicopter since the mid-1980s, when deputies began receiving regular training in using weapons from the air, spokeswoman Jodi Miller said.
A deputy opened fire from a helicopter, hitting the SUV several times. The SUV crashed head-on into a Dodge Durango, where a man and a 13-year-old boy were treated at a hospital and released but a woman remains hospitalized in critical condition.

[dbacksfan 2.0]

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (AP) — A driver who led authorities on a 100-mph freeway chase was struck by gunfire from a San Bernardino County sheriff's helicopter before dying, the agency confirmed Saturday.
However, the official cause of death will await an autopsy, a Sheriff's Department statement said. It didn't indicate how many times the driver was shot.

Friday's shooting was the seventh from a sheriff's helicopter since the mid-1980s, when deputies began receiving regular training in using weapons from the air, spokeswoman Jodi Miller said.
A deputy opened fire from a helicopter, hitting the SUV several times. The SUV crashed head-on into a Dodge Durango, where a man and a 13-year-old boy were treated at a hospital and released but a woman remains hospitalized in critical condition.

Coming to a city near you.............

[Vashta Nerada]

The tally of people shot and killed by on-duty police officers passed 700 on Wednesday night — a fatal milestone that is almost double the highest number of police shootings ever reported by the FBI for an entire year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/09/17/on-duty-police-officers-have-shot-and-killed-more-than-700-people-this-year/?tid=pm_national_pop_b

[dbacksfan 2.0]

The tally of people shot and killed by on-duty police officers passed 700 on Wednesday night — a fatal milestone that is almost double the highest number of police shootings ever reported by the FBI for an entire year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/09/17/on-duty-police-officers-have-shot-and-killed-more-than-700-people-this-year/?tid=pm_national_pop_b

So, I am curious as to the breakdown of the numbers quoted in the article, and the ones that you tout. How many of these deaths were suspects that fired on police while committing a crime? How many were suicide by cop? (That is an actual classification http://www.suicide.org/suicide-by-cop.html, http://healthresearchfunding.org/surprising-suicide-cop-statistics/)
How many were killed because they were an immediate threat to others? How many were accidental?

Nice to throw around numbers, why don't you put some facts behind them?

[dbacksfan 2.0]

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (AP) — A driver who led authorities on a 100-mph freeway chase was struck by gunfire from a San Bernardino County sheriff's helicopter before dying, the agency confirmed Saturday.
However, the official cause of death will await an autopsy, a Sheriff's Department statement said. It didn't indicate how many times the driver was shot.

Friday's shooting was the seventh from a sheriff's helicopter since the mid-1980s, when deputies began receiving regular training in using weapons from the air, spokeswoman Jodi Miller said.
A deputy opened fire from a helicopter, hitting the SUV several times. The SUV crashed head-on into a Dodge Durango, where a man and a 13-year-old boy were treated at a hospital and released but a woman remains hospitalized in critical condition.

Nice of you to leave out details of the incident.

Miller said the officer made the decision to fire because the suspect “had been threatening the safety of the public by traveling at a high rate of speed, running stop signs and red lights, narrowly missing pedestrians and traveling southbound on the northbound freeway.” The suspect, who was wanted in connection with a home-invasion robbery, was identified by police as Nicholas Alan Johnson, 32, of Fontana. He died after being struck by the helicopter gunfire and then jumping out of his vehicle.

Deputies say they don't know whether Johnson died because of the gunfire or if he was fatally injured by his leap from the vehicle.

Sheriff's deputies had attempted to pull the man over during a traffic stop in Fontana about 12:50 p.m. but he fled. Within minutes, the pursuit from Fontana to San Bernardino reached speeds of more than 100 mph. Johnson then drove the wrong way onto the 215, Deputy Deon Filer said.

His Yukon sideswiped at least one vehicle during the chase. After Johnson jumped out of the SUV, it crashed into another SUV carrying three people, officials said. The pursuit ended near Palm Avenue and Kendall Drive.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-police-shooting-from-helicopters-rare-but-not-unheardof-20150919-story.html

[Vashta Nerada]

Nice of you to leave out details of the incident.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-police-shooting-from-helicopters-rare-but-not-unheardof-20150919-story.html

Glad you were able to find a later press release with more one-sided commentary from a police spokesperson.

Maybe the original point is the fact that shooting at people from what up until now were considered just "surveillance" craft is now apparently OK (which opens the door to armed drones). http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/27/435301160/north-dakota-legalizes-armed-police-drones

The next question should be "What is the criteria for snipers shooting at people from the air?"
....is the policy a "tactical secret" or is there even one?

And please do ignore the fact that this caused a head-on crash that injured innocent people, and focus instead on whether or not the driver deserved it.

[cannon_fodder]

dback:  what did you expect the police statement to say?  "We saw the A Team take out some bad guys from a helicopter one time, seemed pretty rad so we figured we should do that. Then this guy did his thing, gave us a chance, and well, we green lit the bird to open fire. Target down man. Target down! It was frikken great!"

Each and every time the government kills a citizen they release one of three possible statements:
1) He was a danger to himself and to the public, we had to kill him
2) He posed a threat to officers and they had to defend themselves.
3) He failed to comply and escalated the situation until he was killed.

If, and only if video evidence surfaces directly contrary to those statements - then they will revise them. Otherwise, THOUGH SHALT NOT ever admit to killing a citizen outside of those parameters. It does not matter what witnesses say. It does not matter if the "official" version makes no sense. In fact, if a judge ever chooses to believe anything other than the official version - you should publicly berate him (even if there is video evidence contrary to the official version. Seriously, this happens, several pointed to above). Remember: the official version IS fact and any evidence to the contrary is just police hating.

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ALL THAT SAID - there are times when the police have to use deadly force.

- Sometimes an officer has to protect themselves. BUT, I think we have this one wrong. At the moment it is "when in doubt, shoot." The official FOP position is that criticizing police for the use of deadly force has create a situation in which officers think twice before using deadly force.  I believe an officers job is to protect and serve. When in doubt, DON'T SHOOT!  I think thinking twice is a good thing. It may mean more officers are injured each year, but it will certainly mean less people are shot by officers (including innocent ones)

- Sometimes an officer has to kill someone to end a situation. hostage situation. Violently drug or mentally ill person. There are times that it can not be helped.

- Sometimes someone has to die to protect the public. The crazy at the Courthouse a few years back with a gun, just taking shots at people. Or, a high speed chase ignoring traffic laws.

But in the Courthouse, a guy was shot in the library by Sheriff's Deputies trying to hit the shooter. In the above referenced high speed chase a family minding their own damn business was rammed because the attack helicopter opened fire (head on 100 MPH collision? SOOO lucky no one died). And guess what? They're screwed. They will not get compensated for that. They might not even get the medical bills paid. The guy shot by TCSO is still probably limping around with a bullet in his leg.

Just because some asshat deserves to be shot, or can be shot legally, doesn't mean it is a good idea. That's the difference between a vigilante and a professional.

Had the helicopter opened fire when the high speed chase was outside of city limits and heading toward town --- it was probably the lesser of two bad outcomes. But the fact that a headon collision resulted means they CAUSED the exact thing they were hoping to avoid. So what was gained?

[patric]

dback:  what did you expect the police statement to say?  "We saw the A Team take out some bad guys from a helicopter one time, seemed pretty rad so we figured we should do that. Then this guy did his thing, gave us a chance, and well, we green lit the bird to open fire. Target down man. Target down! It was frikken great!"

Each and every time the government kills a citizen they release one of three possible statements:
1) He was a danger to himself and to the public, we had to kill him
2) He posed a threat to officers and they had to defend themselves.
3) He failed to comply and escalated the situation until he was killed.

If, and only if video evidence surfaces directly contrary to those statements - then they will revise them. Otherwise, THOUGH SHALT NOT ever admit to killing a citizen outside of those parameters. It does not matter what witnesses say. It does not matter if the "official" version makes no sense. In fact, if a judge ever chooses to believe anything other than the official version - you should publicly berate him (even if there is video evidence contrary to the official version. Seriously, this happens, several pointed to above). Remember: the official version IS fact and any evidence to the contrary is just police hating.

- - - -

ALL THAT SAID - there are times when the police have to use deadly force.

- Sometimes an officer has to protect themselves. BUT, I think we have this one wrong. At the moment it is "when in doubt, shoot." The official FOP position is that criticizing police for the use of deadly force has create a situation in which officers think twice before using deadly force.  I believe an officers job is to protect and serve. When in doubt, DON'T SHOOT!  I think thinking twice is a good thing. It may mean more officers are injured each year, but it will certainly mean less people are shot by officers (including innocent ones)

- Sometimes an officer has to kill someone to end a situation. hostage situation. Violently drug or mentally ill person. There are times that it can not be helped.

- Sometimes someone has to die to protect the public. The crazy at the Courthouse a few years back with a gun, just taking shots at people. Or, a high speed chase ignoring traffic laws.

But in the Courthouse, a guy was shot in the library by Sheriff's Deputies trying to hit the shooter. In the above referenced high speed chase a family minding their own damn business was rammed because the attack helicopter opened fire (head on 100 MPH collision? SOOO lucky no one died). And guess what? They're screwed. They will not get compensated for that. They might not even get the medical bills paid. The guy shot by TCSO is still probably limping around with a bullet in his leg.

Just because some asshat deserves to be shot, or can be shot legally, doesn't mean it is a good idea. That's the difference between a vigilante and a professional.

Had the helicopter opened fire when the high speed chase was outside of city limits and heading toward town --- it was probably the lesser of two bad outcomes. But the fact that a headon collision resulted means they CAUSED the exact thing they were hoping to avoid. So what was gained?

Your logic will be overlooked because you used too many big words.

700 killed sofar this year?  Almost catching up to the number of Americans killed by ISIS. 

[Vashta Nerada]

Sometimes you just have to try harder to keep up the 3-a-day average shootings:

https://news.vice.com/article/video-shows-police-officers-shooting-man-in-wheelchair

[Vashta Nerada]

OSBI agent sentenced after pleading guilty to computer crimes


Special Agent Jerry Raymond Cusic pleaded guilty in June to two felony computer crime counts and one misdemeanor count of destroying evidence. Cusic will be required to spend five weekends in Oklahoma County jail.
Cusic still has a law enforcement job with another state agency, as an agent for the Oklahoma Horse Racing Commission.

http://newsok.com/former-osbi-agent-sentenced-after-pleading-guilty-to-computer-crimes/article/5449490

[Vashta Nerada]

According to a new report by Amnesty International, the Oklahoma City Police Department is responsible for more Taser-related deaths than any other law enforcement agency in the U.S.
http://thislandpress.com/roundups/okc-is-taser-death-capital-of-the-us/

The Taser is the too-often deadly weapon of choice when you lack patience (or respect for the people you supposedly work for).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=14&v=oWa1D8A1t7k

...but its Baltimore, they have problems

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-officer-statements-20150926-story.html

[Vashta Nerada]

Just because a corrupt police tactic is outed as a lie doesnt mean they stop using it:


South Carolina officer shoots unarmed white teen during pot bust

Nineteen-year-old Zachary Hammond was on a date July 26 when he was fatally shot twice by a police officer while at the back parking lot of a Hardee's.
The Seneca Police Department said the officer was conducting a drug investigation and shot Hammond in self-defense.

"He was a uniformed officer, he was in a marked vehicle, was out of his vehicle on foot approaching the suspect vehicle -- weapon drawn given it was a narcotics type violation," Seneca Police Chief John Covington said to CNN.

A small amount of marijuana was found in the front passenger's compartment in Hammond's car.

"He was a 19-year-old, 121-pound kid killed basically for a joint," Bland said.
"This is about the use of overreaching deadly force in situations where it is not required," Bland said.

Police said the officer was attempting to arrest Hammond when the teen accelerated the car and drove toward the officer, prompting the officer to shoot in self-defense, but Bland said Hammond's wounds indicate the vehicle was not moving, and the teen was shot on the rear of his shoulder and on the side of his chest.  The Hammond family commissioned an independent autopsy, which found the teen's gunshot wounds indicated he was shot from behind and at close range.

"We will not be releasing the officer's name that was involved in the shooting and consider him a victim of attempted murder" Police said.

The police officer who shot and killed a 19-year-old man in South Carolina threatened to blow his head off before firing, and another officer gave the teen's lifeless body a high-five not long after he was killed.

Lt. Mark Tiller said in statement issued by his lawyer that he thought Zachary Hammond was threatening to run him over and fired twice to protect himself. Hammond's family said the autopsy showed the teen was shot in the side and the back, proving the threat had passed.

After paramedics determined Hammond was dead, his body was left on the ground for 90 minutes where it was bitten and stung by ants. A second officer gave the lifeless teen's body a high-five sometime after other investigators arrived, according to the lawsuit.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/family-lawsuit-killing-teen-officers-justified-34127973