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Conan71
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« Reply #60 on: September 05, 2007, 11:59:09 am »

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« Reply #61 on: September 06, 2007, 07:18:09 pm »


In the past I have operated a business of physically securing buildings.  Even today I would be fear full to point anyone in the direction where one might find one of the mob or gang or group.

Around 1990 I was called by an attorney who told me that the summery to the jury on a trial where the IRS v. ……….  would begin the next morning and that I should attend.   The charges stemmed from off shore banking and money laundering.  The security to gain admittance to the court room was so tight that after removing all metal from my pockets and waned; I still could not clear.  Having worn a dress sports coat, with two brass buttons on each sleeve, I was not permitted to enter the courtroom until I removed the coat.  After I passed through the detector I stuck the coat back into it and it went off again.

There was two attorneys representing the defendant from California who looked and acted like they just stepped off a stage.  They were the sharpest of  any lawyers that I have ever seen in action.  In the summation they made fun of the prosecuting attorneys name and ridiculed him.  

They interrupted the judge when he was instructing the jury and quoted case law like they were reading out of the text book.  They told the judge his instructions were in error.  Made a motion to dismiss the jury and declare a mistrial, I believe.   The judge banned them from his courtroom.   Verdict:  Hung Jury.  

I have often wondered if these events, among others, were instituted by the family or guardians or even local gangs in Tulsa.
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« Reply #62 on: September 11, 2007, 09:19:18 am »

Well, nobody has really answered my question. Just a few maybes and not reallys.  I want to know how someone with a mob background can be a lawyer?

Aren't there rules and background investigations?

How come nobody confronts that guy I was talking about?

Finally, tell me more about Mondo's please...
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« Reply #63 on: September 11, 2007, 10:02:49 am »

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Well, nobody has really answered my question.

Perhaps nobody really has an answer?

 
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How come nobody confronts that guy I was talking about?
You can next time you see him. Let us know how it works out for you.

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« Reply #64 on: September 11, 2007, 11:27:06 am »

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And the Italian/Goomba women are just as foul mouthed and bad.



I don't know about that. I've seen a number of them on various talk shows and news reports. There seems to be a duality to them that makes them unique: earthy and yet glamorous, streetwise and yet romantic. I think if one grows up in the vicinity of women like this, one finds that these are not the kind of women one simply dates or has a good time with for a while. These seem to be the marriage-and-family kind of women, the ones you marry, not simply date.

As for the women that mobsters seem to go out with, sure, there seems to be a predominance of Italian origin, but let's not forget that one may find Jewish women as well as Hispanic and even Russian women on the arm of many a mobster.
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« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2007, 09:09:25 am »

Yeah right, I'm going to walk up to a 300 pound guy who looks like the Iceman off the HBO specials.....[Cheesy] If he doesn't kick my a**, his wife/girlfriend probably would.

It's just this town is boring sometimes and I wondered if anything interesting goes on "undercover."

Sorry if I bothered anyone.  Like I said in NJ, stuff goes on, you have an idea of who is who, and most people know it.





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« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2007, 04:30:47 pm »

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Yeah right, I'm going to walk up to a 300 pound guy who looks like the Iceman off the HBO specials.....[Cheesy] If he doesn't kick my a**, his wife/girlfriend probably would.

It's just this town is boring sometimes and I wondered if anything interesting goes on "undercover."



In cities such as New York, Los Angeles, Miami, and yes, New Orleans, it happens blatantly. In Oklahoma, I think it's more subtle for some reason. Before I left Oklahoma, I found that anything you wanted to find or experience, you could find it in Tulsa, as it was a microcosm of many things. You want sin and sleaze, you could find it: may have to dig deep to find the particular variety that's to one's liking, but you could find it.
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« Reply #67 on: September 12, 2007, 04:50:10 pm »

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Well, nobody has really answered my question. Just a few maybes and not reallys.  I want to know how someone with a mob background can be a lawyer?

Aren't there rules and background investigations?

How come nobody confronts that guy I was talking about?





http://www.okbar.org/admissions/rules.htm

What are you going to confront the guy about?  Jealousy about his women?

And don't think for a moment that organized crime is not alive and well in Tulsa, or any other major city.  It is just not as black and white as it used to be - all ethnic groups have their niche now.
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« Reply #68 on: September 12, 2007, 09:34:34 pm »

No Mafia, just gangs.......may Cleo Epps RIP.
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« Reply #69 on: September 12, 2007, 10:06:49 pm »

Wow Pork...I could add a couple to that list but I ain't gonna.....
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« Reply #70 on: September 13, 2007, 04:38:58 am »

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Wow Pork...I could add a couple to that list but I ain't gonna.....



How about Tom Lester Pugh? Now that was one tough gangster. Got a few stories I could share about him.

But you had me scratching my head all night after seeing your post about the township of Frontenac. All I've been able to do is think about Fried Chicken and Cole Slaw. And for the life of me I can't think of the name of that restaurant/bar there. Use to eat all the time there when I was going to College in Pittsburg.

Frontenac was where the Italian mafia was out of and on the other side of Pittsburg, there was another township where the Sicilian Mafia was set up.

I think as far as real Mafia goes in our area, these two townships and Kansas City were pretty big at one time. The group in Kansas City got ran out and moved to St Joesph, Mo because of a crime war back in the 60's/70's where a restaurant was blown up and many were killed in KC.

I just wish the walls of the old Avalon Steak House could talk in West Tulsa. That was probably the biggest hangout of the Mobsters back in the 50's,60's and 70's in Tulsa. Plus they made a great steak and stuffed bake potato after being out at the bars all night. [^]
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« Reply #71 on: September 13, 2007, 06:52:19 am »

Here have fun with this.  Saw the snowman on I-44 this morning, here's the link:

http://oklahomamafia.com/
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« Reply #72 on: September 13, 2007, 08:59:54 am »

Growing up in Shawnee I remember my parents going to dinner in OKC at some place that had bullet holes in the glass that they left there, as a marketing tool or something.  I'm not sure but the shooting may have been O&G related, which was the business my dad was in.  Lots of interesting characters in that business, more so in the "old days".  Does anyone recall this restaurant?  We later ('68) moved to St. Louis, MO and it was widely known that one of our neighbors was in organized crime, but I don't know exactly how anyone knew it.
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« Reply #73 on: September 17, 2007, 04:29:37 pm »

I think you are afraid of the truth.  No one has told me more about Mondo's.

And as for me confronting a 300 lb guy who looks like he could and would break my scrawny butt into pieces, forget about it (as Donnie Brasco would say).  I'm not going to bother a guy who looks like that PERIOD.  In NJ, they will HURT you, not just a bar fight where someone throws a punch and it gets broken up, I mean break your wrists, knock out your teeth, gouge your eyes and that ain't happening to me!

As for jealousy of his woman...HELL YEAH!

I think if people here are just afraid.
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« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2007, 06:59:50 pm »

H Paul Rico, retired FBI agent accused of helping his former mob informants arrange killing of businessman in 1981, dies in Tulsa week after being extradited to Oklahoma to face charges; was arrested in Oct in Fla; he was 78 -

good evidence the MOB is alive and well in T-Town

FBI informant Stephen J Flemmi pleads guilty to 10 murders and racketeering charges in plea agreement and will also plead guilty to murder of Tulsa, Okla, businessman Roger Wheeler; was chief lieutenant of fugitive Boston gangster James J Bulger; H Paul Rico, former FBI agent who supervised Flemmi, has been charged with helping arrange Wheeler's killing

Lots more in the public record -- oil, gambling, prostitution, drugs -- follow the money and organized crime isn't far behind.

Who do you think gets the skim and sets up casino's for the tribes? (hint) it isn't the tribal chiefs[}:)]
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