A grassroots organization focused on the intelligent and sustainable development, preservation and revitalization of Tulsa.
 
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
November 17, 2017, 03:27:25 pm
Pages: 1 [2]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Cathedral Square  (Read 6216 times)
TheArtist
T-Town Elder
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 6593



WWW
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2008, 09:48:42 pm »

All ya have to do is look at every other "Cathedral Square", Town Square, or similar place in a thousand other small towns to big cities all over the world. Its worked well for thousands of years, its a basic, assumed given that every city has.... except Tulsa.  

It seems really odd that we dont have one. I thought the planners of Tulsa back in its heyday admired and wanted to emulate the great cities of Europe. Yet no central square?

Usually the courthouse or main city building is opposite the main church. Where was the old courthouse in relation to the Cathedral here? Did we once have a square and it just got destroyed?

« Last Edit: July 18, 2008, 09:50:44 pm by TheArtist » Logged

"When you only have two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."-Chinese proverb. "Arts a staple. Like bread or wine or a warm coat in winter. Those who think it is a luxury have only a fragment of a mind. Mans spirit grows hungry for art in the same way h
joiei
City Father
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1383



« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2008, 10:19:22 pm »

If you look at the old plat maps, there was not a central square or anything in the blocks.  I looked and wondered why myself.
Logged

‎"The only time to eat diet food is while you're waiting for the steak to cook" - Julia Child.
brother gracchi
Guest
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2008, 02:06:53 pm »

The old city hall building is located on 4th b/t boston and cincinnati, really on the SW corner of 4th and Cincinnati. No church near there, but there might have been prior to the parking garage across the street being erected north of the old city hall.

I like the idea of a church district. There is a need for more centrally focused green space around which to inspire development. While the majority of available old urban renewal property is on the East-NE side of downtown, much of the essential development needs to occur as close to the existing downtown infrastructure as possible.

Great forum. This is basically what I constantly think about and discuss with my friends.
Logged
carltonplace
Historic Artifact
City Father
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 4565



WWW
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2008, 10:30:41 am »

Welcome aboard BG
Logged
SXSW
City Father
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3416


WWW
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2008, 11:00:57 am »

I think it's important for the development of downtown as a whole to "break it down" into smaller neighborhoods or districts.  We have done that with Brady, Greenwood, Blue Dome, and somewhat with the arena but the rest of downtown is lacking.  If you can create a focal point for a new district to develop, in this case a park/plaza in front of one of the most beautiful cathedrals in this region, then you have something to build around, so to speak.  Parks and plazas are good places to start.

Trying to develop "downtown" is a lot harder than trying to develop smaller, individual neighborhoods or districts.  Oklahoma City has had a lot of success with turning their downtown into districts that focus development while each "district" begins to develop in its own unique way.  That is the direction we should be heading, and Cathedral Square is a great place to start IMO.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2008, 11:02:37 am by SXSW » Logged

 
circassia
Guest
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2008, 11:47:58 am »

That's a good idea. I wonder what ever happened to the whole "Mayo Place" idea. Is still in development since the Mayo Hotel is finally undergoing renovation?

There should be more/better parks/plazas downtown. They do need something in the Blue Dome/Brady area.
Logged
TheArtist
T-Town Elder
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 6593



WWW
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2008, 04:36:52 pm »

One of the great things about a Cathedral Square type place versus the usual downtown park or plaza, is that people like to go to a place with an intentional "view".  Its nice to have something wonderful to look out at. Having an open space in the middle of some boring buildings, even if it has a fountain in the middle, just doesn't quite do it.

Being able to be on one side of an open space, look out over a fountain and past that to something like a Cathedral, is very,,, fulfilling. Throw in people milling around that space, an outdoor cafe or two, people watching and chatting with friends, adds icing to the cake.  But the best public spaces, the ones that really work, are the ones that if nobody at all were there, you would still want to go there, would still enjoy being there, just relaxing and enjoying the view.  You sometimes almost wish you could be the only one, or couple, there enjoying that space. But its rare that nobody else is there because its so wonderful that people just constantly flock to it.  

That space right there is really the only place downtown that we could build such a place. Its the perfect spot... and its a tabula rasa.  

« Last Edit: July 22, 2008, 04:37:38 pm by TheArtist » Logged

"When you only have two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."-Chinese proverb. "Arts a staple. Like bread or wine or a warm coat in winter. Those who think it is a luxury have only a fragment of a mind. Mans spirit grows hungry for art in the same way h
SXSW
City Father
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3416


WWW
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2008, 07:19:32 am »

quote:
Originally posted by TheArtist

One of the great things about a Cathedral Square type place versus the usual downtown park or plaza, is that people like to go to a place with an intentional "view".  Its nice to have something wonderful to look out at. Having an open space in the middle of some boring buildings, even if it has a fountain in the middle, just doesn't quite do it.

Being able to be on one side of an open space, look out over a fountain and past that to something like a Cathedral, is very,,, fulfilling. Throw in people milling around that space, an outdoor cafe or two, people watching and chatting with friends, adds icing to the cake.  But the best public spaces, the ones that really work, are the ones that if nobody at all were there, you would still want to go there, would still enjoy being there, just relaxing and enjoying the view.  You sometimes almost wish you could be the only one, or couple, there enjoying that space. But its rare that nobody else is there because its so wonderful that people just constantly flock to it.  

That space right there is really the only place downtown that we could build such a place. Its the perfect spot... and its a tabula rasa.  



I could see many a senior photo and wedding/engagement pics being taken from such a park in front of Holy Family.  That cathedral is really beautiful but unfortunately all the best vantage points of it are either buildings or parking lots so not many can appreciate it.  It is, IMO, one of the most beautiful cathedrals in this region, maybe the entire South.  There is no reason it can't be a tourist attraction in itself like beautiful cathedrals are in other cities if a nice viewpoint, Cathedral Square, were in place with surrounding development.  Any restaurant/cafe that opens with that view and outdoor seating would do quite well IMO.
Logged

 
Pages: 1 [2]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

 
  Hosted by TulsaConnect and Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines
 

Mission

 

"TulsaNow's Mission is to help Tulsa become the most vibrant, diverse, sustainable and prosperous city of our size. We achieve this by focusing on the development of Tulsa's distinctive identity and economic growth around a dynamic, urban core, complemented by a constellation of livable, thriving communities."
more...

 

Contact

 

2210 S Main St.
Tulsa, OK 74114
(918) 409-2669
info@tulsanow.org