GoldenHurricane14
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« on: April 04, 2019, 08:23:06 am » |
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2019, 09:56:06 am » |
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Just saw this as well. Looks fantastic... reminds me of the Katy Trail Ice House in Dallas (or any number of outdoor beer garden/retail type places in Austin).
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2019, 10:34:28 am » |
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Just saw this as well. Looks fantastic... reminds me of the Katy Trail Ice House in Dallas (or any number of outdoor beer garden/retail type places in Austin).
Funny you said this as I live next door to the Katy Trail Ice House currently, and run the trail every day after work. The Ice House is my favorite place in Dallas, and it would be awesome if Tulsa had their own version of that. I love the trail access from that spot as it really activates the place. If you haven't been down here in awhile, they have recently completed an expansion that has essentially doubled their patio space. It's gonna be a blast come college football season (And dangerous because you will never leave!) Can't wait for this to kick off in Tulsa as I am always down to hang out on a patio, and haven't found one with the same sort of vibe. I honestly think places like the boneyard at dead armadillo, Fassler Hall, etc, just need to drop in some larger trees, string some lights,and have music playing the entire day to jack up the vibe. |
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2019, 11:00:58 am » |
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Funny you said this as I live next door to the Katy Trail Ice House currently, and run the trail every day after work. The Ice House is my favorite place in Dallas, and it would be awesome if Tulsa had their own version of that. I love the trail access from that spot as it really activates the place. If you haven't been down here in awhile, they have recently completed an expansion that has essentially doubled their patio space. It's gonna be a blast come college football season (And dangerous because you will never leave!) Can't wait for this to kick off in Tulsa as I am always down to hang out on a patio, and haven't found one with the same sort of vibe.
I honestly think places like the boneyard at dead armadillo, Fassler Hall, etc, just need to drop in some larger trees, string some lights,and have music playing the entire day to jack up the vibe.
Blue Rose patio overlooking the river is pretty nice. The Vista at the Boathouse patio at Gathering Place will be great when it opens. But I agree Tulsa needs more patios with big trees. I love Katy Trail Ice House and The Mont in Norman for this very reason. I watched Patrick Fox explain his vision for the project (it was on IG stories) and he said they want to preserve the big trees along the trail but clean up all the brush that is currently there in between the trail and gravel parking lot. There isn't a whole lot I love about Dallas but I really like the Katy Trail, all the trees and highrises and the growing number of trail-side bars and eateries with outdoor seating. The Midland Valley Trail is a similar asset that hasn't been fully utilized. Now we just need to directly connect it to downtown.. |
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2019, 07:32:21 am » |
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Blue Rose patio overlooking the river is pretty nice. The Vista at the Boathouse patio at Gathering Place will be great when it opens. But I agree Tulsa needs more patios with big trees. I love Katy Trail Ice House and The Mont in Norman for this very reason.
I watched Patrick Fox explain his vision for the project (it was on IG stories) and he said they want to preserve the big trees along the trail but clean up all the brush that is currently there in between the trail and gravel parking lot.
There isn't a whole lot I love about Dallas but I really like the Katy Trail, all the trees and highrises and the growing number of trail-side bars and eateries with outdoor seating. The Midland Valley Trail is a similar asset that hasn't been fully utilized. Now we just need to directly connect it to downtown..
Definitely a fan of the Blue Rose. I had an internship with the McIntosh Group, who designed it! I hadn't been there since when The Gathering Place was under construction, which seemed to hinder the crowds I was used to seeing there. Hopefully it's picked back up... Just out of curiosity, what is the foot/bike traffic on that Midland Valley Trail? I've never used it as when I visit I'm closest to Lafortune Park and just use that trail. |
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2019, 09:02:19 am » |
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Definitely a fan of the Blue Rose. I had an internship with the McIntosh Group, who designed it! I hadn't been there since when The Gathering Place was under construction, which seemed to hinder the crowds I was used to seeing there. Hopefully it's picked back up...
Just out of curiosity, what is the foot/bike traffic on that Midland Valley Trail? I've never used it as when I visit I'm closest to Lafortune Park and just use that trail.
The stretch from Maple Park to the river is fairly busy on nice days, especially now with the Gathering Place open. Not very well-utilized from what I've seen on the northern sections near Centennial Park. Nowhere near as busy as the Katy Trail in Dallas though. |
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2021, 09:37:16 pm » |
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That sucks, but it did sound too good to be true. We already have Yard bar, which has a hard enough time with the ups and downs of the weather.
The trail is super busy these days though, so it is still a plausible concept, especially so close to Mercury Lounge and the Shrine, along with the rest of that little district. Hopefully someone else will snatch this up and do something along the same vein. Of course in this environment getting anything off the ground and staffed is a bigger challenge than usual.
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2021, 10:11:38 pm » |
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That sucks, but it did sound too good to be true. We already have Yard bar, which has a hard enough time with the ups and downs of the weather.
The trail is super busy these days though, so it is still a plausible concept, especially so close to Mercury Lounge and the Shrine, along with the rest of that little district. Hopefully someone else will snatch this up and do something along the same vein. Of course in this environment getting anything off the ground and staffed is a bigger challenge than usual.
Access to this site is still odd - they missed the biggest opportunity when the apartments just north of the site were for sale and didn't buy them. Would have made it more desirable to get in and out of the site. Let's face it, trail traffic wouldn't sustain retail there so being able to at least have a proper valet in and out is important and that site just doesn't work well without acquiring another parcel to get access to an actual street. |
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2021, 03:34:52 pm » |
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I think it would work better as a stand-alone restaurant/bar like Katy Trail Ice House. There is room for parking with access off 18th and then orient the building so it faces the trail. Clear out some of the brush but keep the big trees - I guarantee you this would be a popular spot.
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2021, 10:15:59 pm » |
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I think it would work better as a stand-alone restaurant/bar like Katy Trail Ice House. There is room for parking with access off 18th and then orient the building so it faces the trail. Clear out some of the brush but keep the big trees - I guarantee you this would be a popular spot.
Totally agree. I think the scale was a bit ambitious for the issues with the site. I think if you just did one stand-alone with a large outdoor patio area like Katy Trail Ice House it'd be a huge hit and some of the access and visibility issues would not be as big of an issue. But trying to lease to multiple tenants in the size of building they had planned doesn't surprise me that it didn't work out, especially after they didn't buy the parcel to the north when it was for sale. |
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2021, 08:05:10 am » |
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Totally agree. I think the scale was a bit ambitious for the issues with the site. I think if you just did one stand-alone with a large outdoor patio area like Katy Trail Ice House it'd be a huge hit and some of the access and visibility issues would not be as big of an issue. But trying to lease to multiple tenants in the size of building they had planned doesn't surprise me that it didn't work out, especially after they didn't buy the parcel to the north when it was for sale.
I also heard that the neighborhood association was less supportive than hoped. |
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2021, 09:51:55 am » |
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Not totally true about the association. I'm on the board and the board did not take an official position on this project.
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2021, 03:49:26 pm » |
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Totally agree. I think the scale was a bit ambitious for the issues with the site. I think if you just did one stand-alone with a large outdoor patio area like Katy Trail Ice House it'd be a huge hit and some of the access and visibility issues would not be as big of an issue. But trying to lease to multiple tenants in the size of building they had planned doesn't surprise me that it didn't work out, especially after they didn't buy the parcel to the north when it was for sale.
Good opportunity to do a similar restaurant/outdoor seating concept on the old Louisianne property to the south and build a critical mass. Keep the retail-oriented businesses along Boston. |
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