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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2019, 07:34:37 am »

They may be counting on a flood to get the insurance.  Since it's a lot more difficult to start a flood than a fire, no one will suspect anything fishy.
 
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Something sure smells fishy.
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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2019, 11:00:07 am »

I wonder if they will rethink this location?   Undecided



It seems so foolish to move forward without drastic changes to the land there. It also seems foolish to builid many of those new developments along the River around 121st and further south which are mostly all flooded at least partially, and many are at risk of full flooding if they have to increase flow rates higher. That whole area is a natural and designed floodplain for the Arkansas River. Some neighborhoods did decent flood mitigation design, but looks like most developers just did the bare minimum and people buy it thinking it won't happen to them.

There needs to be quite an exhaustive infrastructure project to make those far south riverfront areas usable but that probably won't happen. Meanwhile, developers will keep doing what they do and adding some dirt and a ponds and claiming it's ok. This will happen again and probably a bit more frequently than once every 33 years.
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« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2019, 01:36:42 pm »

It seems so foolish to move forward without drastic changes to the land there. It also seems foolish to builid many of those new developments along the River around 121st and further south which are mostly all flooded at least partially, and many are at risk of full flooding if they have to increase flow rates higher. That whole area is a natural and designed floodplain for the Arkansas River. Some neighborhoods did decent flood mitigation design, but looks like most developers just did the bare minimum and people buy it thinking it won't happen to them.

There needs to be quite an exhaustive infrastructure project to make those far south riverfront areas usable but that probably won't happen. Meanwhile, developers will keep doing what they do and adding some dirt and a ponds and claiming it's ok. This will happen again and probably a bit more frequently than once every 33 years.

Protecting the houses at 121st and Delaware would make some people down stream really unhappy.  Water has to go somewhere.
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« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2019, 01:40:25 pm »

“Develop the river” sounded better as a slogan before this week. Nature and reality have intruded is a serious way.
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« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2019, 07:10:31 pm »

“Develop the river” sounded better as a slogan before this week. Nature and reality have intruded is a serious way.

As we speak, Riverspirit Casino is surrounded by water, and all the parking is submerged.  How many times can this happen before the foundation liquefies? 
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« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2019, 06:33:08 pm »

As we speak, Riverspirit Casino is surrounded by water, and all the parking is submerged.  How many times can this happen before the foundation liquefies? 


Drove by on Sat before the tornadoes.  Also spent some time at Riverwalk in Jenks on Fri afternoon.  Place where I have walked to take pics on Wed was 3 ft underwater by then.  Impressive mess.

Gathering Place had lots of water on some basketball courts west side of Riverside.
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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2019, 07:45:56 pm »

I drove past the future outlet mall area on the Turnpike headed east at about 8:30.  There is some standing water but I was surprised at how much ground was still showing.

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« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2019, 09:32:51 am »

As we speak, Riverspirit Casino is surrounded by water, and all the parking is submerged.  How many times can this happen before the foundation liquefies? 
Bedrock doesn't liquify.
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« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2019, 09:34:21 am »

I drove past the future outlet mall area on the Turnpike headed east at about 8:30.  There is some standing water but I was surprised at how much ground was still showing.


And Jenks is the only community to formally adopt the '86 +1'development standard along the River as the Corridor Master Plan recommended.
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« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2019, 11:52:46 am »

And Jenks is the only community to formally adopt the '86 +1'development standard along the River as the Corridor Master Plan recommended.

Top Golf, Riverwalk and the Aquarium built to Jenks codes not only haven't flooded, they remain open.
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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2019, 11:30:28 am »

Bedrock doesn't liquify.

The resort’s hotel tower and expanded gaming and restaurants were built with “675 heavily reinforced concrete piers, eight feet in diameter that are 80 to 87 feet below the ground and socketed to the bedrock,” according to a news release from the resort. “Additionally, the resort complex is further protected from land erosion due to the one-inch thick, solid steel sheet piling surrounding the river side of the property from the hotel tower to the theater. The sheet piling begins at the elevation level of 614 and protects the land all the way to the bedrock elevation level of 588.”

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/river-spirit-resort-announces-it-will-remain-closed-through-june/article_37996e13-dfec-5193-9b24-c969c2842768.html

Interesting.  I recall a few days ago drone pix of their pristine blue swimming pool being flanked by muddy river water as if it were sneaking up on its prey.
The river won.
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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2019, 12:36:23 pm »

They may be counting on a flood to get the insurance.  Since it's a lot more difficult to start a flood than a fire, no one will suspect anything fishy.
 
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Stanley Tanger sure lucked out when he conjured that tornado to level the outlet mall in Stroud.
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« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2019, 10:00:22 am »

The resort’s hotel tower and expanded gaming and restaurants were built with “675 heavily reinforced concrete piers, eight feet in diameter that are 80 to 87 feet below the ground and socketed to the bedrock,” according to a news release from the resort. “Additionally, the resort complex is further protected from land erosion due to the one-inch thick, solid steel sheet piling surrounding the river side of the property from the hotel tower to the theater. The sheet piling begins at the elevation level of 614 and protects the land all the way to the bedrock elevation level of 588.”

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/river-spirit-resort-announces-it-will-remain-closed-through-june/article_37996e13-dfec-5193-9b24-c969c2842768.html

Interesting.  I recall a few days ago drone pix of their pristine blue swimming pool being flanked by muddy river water as if it were sneaking up on its prey.
The river won.

How did the river win? It's close to a historic flood and the hotel is 13 feet above the pool and probably ok and the waters are going back down. It is flooding all the right places as designed (parking lot, huge drainage ditch) and the concrete underground wall is protecting the foundation from erosion. There will be lots of cleaning up and some repairs outside, but the hotel building itself should be largely unaffected.

I guarantee they are banking on that place and while shutting down for a month will hurt badly, all the free press will just make the late summer and fall that much more crowded.
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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2019, 03:25:53 pm »

How did the river win? It's close to a historic flood and the hotel is 13 feet above the pool and probably ok and the waters are going back down. It is flooding all the right places as designed (parking lot, huge drainage ditch) and the concrete underground wall is protecting the foundation from erosion. There will be lots of cleaning up and some repairs outside, but the hotel building itself should be largely unaffected.

I guarantee they are banking on that place and while shutting down for a month will hurt badly, all the free press will just make the late summer and fall that much more crowded.

The river may not have won, but being closed for 6 weeks (at least) while you continue to carry a payroll of 1,600 and having tens of thousands of people viewing pictures of your hotel/casino/resort complex seemingly inundated with flood waters is not exactly a win.  Tie goes to the runner - and in this instance, the river is the runner.
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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2019, 03:50:38 pm »

The river may not have won, but being closed for 6 weeks (at least) while you continue to carry a payroll of 1,600 and having tens of thousands of people viewing pictures of your hotel/casino/resort complex seemingly inundated with flood waters is not exactly a win.  Tie goes to the runner - and in this instance, the river is the runner.

Nah. If this puts the hotel and/or casino out of business or "totals" the property, then I'll say the river won, but otherwise the Creek Nation has and will continue to make bank (pun intented) on this riverfront property. This looks like major bump, but not one that is beyond the design of the property. 
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