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« on: February 08, 2018, 12:50:18 pm »

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Office-retail development planned near Utica Square


A new mixed-use building with retail and office space is scheduled to rise soon across from Utica Square.

BAM Properties, a veteran developer in areas around the upscale shopping center, is behind a three-story, roughly 22,000-square-foot project at 2005 E. 21st St., site of the recently closed Goldie's Patio Grill.

Demolition and construction will begin this spring with completion set for the first quarter of 2019, said John and Chris Bumgarner, the father and son who head Bumgarner Asset Management.

"We think there is a shortage of offices in midtown," John Bumgarner said Thursday during an interview at Utica Plaza, another BAM property. "We think there is a shortage of new retail in this midtown. But we'll find out.

"What makes this site work and the reason it is a unique site is because there is a stoplight at Yorktown (Avenue). There is a stoplight at Wheeling (Avenue), so people can get in and out because of the break in traffic. Without those stoplights, this would be a congested, hard-to-access-egress site. Because of those stoplights, it's perfect."

Designed by Miles Associates, the new development is at 21st Street and Xanthus Avenue and will have underground and surface parking. It also will feature the stucco-and-red-tile-roof look of other BAM properties in the area, such as Utica Plaza, Utica Place and 1515 South Utica.


"There are other examples of that style being able to stand the test of time," said Chris Bumgarner, alluding to shopping areas such as Country Club Plaza in Kansas City, Missouri, and Highland Park in Dallas. "It's pretty. It's more expensive construction than is typical so it should last longer."

The Bumgarners' downtown portfolio includes the 320 South Boston Building, Mid-Continent Tower, Kennedy Building and a segment of Main Street. Over a period of more than 40 years, the family has purchased about 10 parcels in the Utica Square area, John Bumgarner said.

"It's been a solid place to develop and compete," he said.

His son added, "Obviously, Utica Square is the reason we're in this area. It's a unique, regional shopping center."

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/realestate/office-retail-development-planned-near-utica-square/article_a09d134e-31e4-5fda-9f1e-348f8cc9167b.html
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2018, 12:55:42 pm »

Nice looking project.  When will Miss Jackson's/Petty's see something similar??

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2018, 01:00:54 pm »

It looks like the developer owns the Goldie's lot and the lot with a parking lot, one lot over (both of those owned by "2005 E 21ST LLC C/O CROW CORP" which look like they're part of Bumgarner's company).

The lot in between those (just empty fenced lot) is owned by "AD&ED LAND LLC" who bought it from St John's for $341k last September! That is pretty pricey for a single empty lot!
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2018, 01:08:32 pm »

Nice looking project.  When will Miss Jackson's/Petty's see something similar??


Yeah, and considering it will add below-ground parking and replace a parking lot, and empty lot and an ugly old building, this is a big win for the area.

I was just in Utica Park a couple weeks ago and thought about how ugly and out of place Goldie's looked there. It was unsightly and a big eye sore and kinda kills the Utica area vibe. There was a time when german-house style would've fit in better, but this new building will fit in much better with the buildings and newer developments around there now.
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2018, 01:16:00 pm »


Looks like the same glarebomb lights CVS put in at 15th & Utica.
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2018, 04:01:40 pm »

Looks like the same glarebomb lights CVS put in at 15th & Utica.

Is there a reason we like this development but not?

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2018, 09:15:17 am »

I don't think people disliked the development, but we did mock the faux Tuscan design.  Which is consistent with my opinion of this development:  that is to say, I think its a great fit for the area, I love the density, use of space, and mixed use component.  But I'm not a fan of the Tuscan style - which is just a matter of opinion.
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2018, 10:03:28 am »

Is there a reason we like this development but not?
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I've always liked that one well enough. Neither are amazing developments but both look good and seem overall good for the area. The huge condo building looks a bit bizarre and almost shocking there, especially up close, but I think it fits in well enough, especially with so many similar style buildings nearby and it looks like it fits in well with the landscape seeing it from a distance.
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2018, 10:20:44 am »

I don't think people disliked the development, but we did mock the faux Tuscan design.  Which is consistent with my opinion of this development:  that is to say, I think its a great fit for the area, I love the density, use of space, and mixed use component.  But I'm not a fan of the Tuscan style - which is just a matter of opinion.

I can see how people don't like the over use of that style, but it can look better than most buildings when done right. At its worst, it can be terrible, but these 2 above examples are not that.

Here are a couple faux Italian buildings that are awful and give the style a bad name:








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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2018, 11:23:41 am »

Great use of space for the old Goldie's location. As for the style of both the new building and the tower on the south end of Utica Sq., I think it's a plus. There are now a collection of buildings in that immediate area that share the look, like the SW corner of 21st & Utica. The biggest concern is that something can look out of place, but that is mitigated when the neighboring buildings match. Also, it's not out of place considering Tulsa's history. There are a number of oil mansions that share the style. Look at Philbrook!
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2018, 12:02:36 pm »

Great use of space for the old Goldie's location. As for the style of both the new building and the tower on the south end of Utica Sq., I think it's a plus. There are now a collection of buildings in that immediate area that share the look, like the SW corner of 21st & Utica. The biggest concern is that something can look out of place, but that is mitigated when the neighboring buildings match. Also, it's not out of place considering Tulsa's history. There are a number of oil mansions that share the style. Look at Philbrook!

How neat if there were a new Goldies on the lower floor... or some other eatery to make up for the loss.
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2018, 08:50:11 am »

This site has been fenced off for awhile, hopefully this is not another 14th & Utica (another Bumgarner site). 
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2018, 09:01:13 am »

This site has been fenced off for awhile, hopefully this is not another 14th & Utica (another Bumgarner site). 


Goldie's looked better than that.  Saw it a couple weeks ago - not an improvement.

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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2018, 10:54:45 am »


Goldie's looked better than that.  Saw it a couple weeks ago - not an improvement.

I'll give Bumgarner credit, Utica Place and Utica Plaza are high quality projects.  I'm just surprised the 14th & Utica site has languished for as long as it has and want to see some movement there.  Same for this site across from Utica Square, though it has only been a few months.  Both are very high profile locations that will benefit greatly from urban development.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2018, 11:07:24 am »

I'll give Bumgarner credit, Utica Place and Utica Plaza are high quality projects.  I'm just surprised the 14th & Utica site has languished for as long as it has and want to see some movement there.  Same for this site across from Utica Square, though it has only been a few months.  Both are very high profile locations that will benefit greatly from urban development.


Utica Place kind of confuses me - first glance, I think Italianate, then looking a while, it seems more Spanish (Mediterranean.?)   





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