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« Reply #525 on: April 07, 2018, 02:18:27 pm »


Can we quit comparing everything to 2008?   

In 2008 we were also pumping $150/barrel oil and paying over $4/gallon for gas.   Of course the revenues were at all time highs.

Compare it to say, 2006 or 2009...  It suddenly doesn't look so bad.
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« Reply #526 on: April 07, 2018, 05:45:01 pm »

Can we quit comparing everything to 2008?   

In 2008 we were also pumping $150/barrel oil and paying over $4/gallon for gas.   Of course the revenues were at all time highs.

Compare it to say, 2006 or 2009...  It suddenly doesn't look so bad.

Per pupil spending in 2008 was only $73 per student higher than 2006, a 1.8% increase over two years that didn't even cover inflation over the two years.

Try again.
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« Reply #527 on: April 07, 2018, 05:49:37 pm »

Can we quit comparing everything to 2008?   

In 2008 we were also pumping $150/barrel oil and paying over $4/gallon for gas.   Of course the revenues were at all time highs.

Compare it to say, 2006 or 2009...  It suddenly doesn't look so bad.

Using CPI, the conversion factor from '09 to '18 is 1.17.  That makes 2009 equal to $2,962,091,964.   Which is still lower than the number shown for 2019.  (But, yes, not that far off.)   The problem is the decade(s) of  reduced spending, that have finally hit critical mass over the last year or so.  Also, the data seems to be being presented so as to say "hey, look at how great we are making 2019", as opposed to saying "we finally realized how bad we have been messing this up, and it's about time".  Failin' made her position clear with the teenager/car analogy.  She does not support bringing school funding back to historical levels, nor do a significant portion of the legislature.   I hope (but, honestly doubt) that voters remember all this come November and vote some folks out.
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« Reply #528 on: April 07, 2018, 06:01:01 pm »

   I hope (but, honestly doubt) that voters remember all this come November and vote some folks out.
  I am with you on this.  I plan on doing my best to remind them. 
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« Reply #529 on: April 09, 2018, 12:43:16 pm »

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos said Oklahoma teachers who walked out of their classrooms to protest school funding cuts should “keep adult disagreements and disputes in a separate place.”

Adjusted for inflation, Oklahoma spends nearly 30 percent less on schools than it did a decade ago. School buildings are crumbling in many parts of the state, textbooks are outdated and tattered, and about 20 percent of districts have moved to four-day school weeks. Oklahoma teacher salaries ranked 49th in the nation, according to a 2016 report by the National Education Association

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/04/09/betsy-devos-to-oklahoma-teachers-serve-the-students
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« Reply #530 on: April 09, 2018, 12:56:54 pm »

Unions do hire people to hold those "shame on" signs and sit outside of places.  But not 1250 people Cheesy


2 or 3.  And not likely by the NEA, either.   And there are all the rest in addition to the 1250 that are around the state locally right now.  Way more than 1250.

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« Reply #531 on: April 09, 2018, 01:02:15 pm »

Can we quit comparing everything to 2008?   

In 2008 we were also pumping $150/barrel oil and paying over $4/gallon for gas.   Of course the revenues were at all time highs.

Compare it to say, 2006 or 2009...  It suddenly doesn't look so bad.


Pick a year.  Then reread the part about 50,000 more students.  It is that bad.  And worse.

Especially compared to states that do care about their kids.

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« Reply #532 on: April 10, 2018, 07:51:53 am »

Can we quit comparing everything to 2008?   

In 2008 we were also pumping $150/barrel oil and paying over $4/gallon for gas.   Of course the revenues were at all time highs.

Compare it to say, 2006 or 2009...  It suddenly doesn't look so bad.

1) I used the information the Governor used.

2) In 2008 we took a major step towards becoming a one party state and the revenue cutting push began in earnest.

3) 2008 is a 10 year period, a frequent guide for comparison.

4) If you run the numbers for those years, it doesn't change the argument.  It doesn't change the conclusion that a decade of cuts with an increasing number of students leaves us far behind. If by "doesn't look so bad" you mean it can change the data by a few percentage points, you are correct. Go run the numbers, I believe you will not be impressed. 
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« Reply #533 on: April 14, 2018, 12:14:01 pm »

Governor claims that children were raped, used drugs while teachers protested

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/04/14/kentucky-governor-claims-that-children-were-raped-used-drugs-while-teachers-protested

The fail doesnt end at Failin.
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« Reply #534 on: April 14, 2018, 01:47:41 pm »

Governor claims that children were raped, used drugs while teachers protested

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/04/14/kentucky-governor-claims-that-children-were-raped-used-drugs-while-teachers-protested

The fail doesnt end at Failin.

So teachers exist to prevent drug use and sex.  That's a new one on me.
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« Reply #535 on: April 15, 2018, 07:13:01 am »

So teachers exist to prevent drug use and sex.  That's a new one on me.



Nothing new...sounds like 1967...
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« Reply #536 on: May 02, 2018, 08:57:36 am »

I figured this was as good a place as any to drop this link.  Former Senator Coburn and his group are seeking to get a repeal of the teacher funding package on the ballot in November and let the voters decide.  So if the voters decide to keep the hikes as they are, who is to say the legislature won't pull the same stunt they did when the criminal reform bill passed, basically saying voters were too stupid to realize what the bill did.

I think it's pretty apparent that state agencies have all taken cuts in recent years.  Basically, the theory is, other agencies could all sustain cuts which would fund the teacher pay raise.  Never mind the ask for additional classroom spending.

I felt the funding package was equitable:  A new tax on cigarettes, raising the GPT from 2% to 5% as it is artificially low in the first place, and fuel and diesel taxes when Oklahoma has consistently some of the cheapest fuel prices in the nation. 

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/group-files-petition-to-overturn-tax-increases-that-funded-teacher/article_5ca780d9-5a98-5d49-bbee-bc0199e5f490.html
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« Reply #537 on: May 02, 2018, 09:32:27 am »



I felt the funding package was equitable:  A new tax on cigarettes, raising the GPT from 2% to 5% as it is artificially low in the first place, and fuel and diesel taxes when Oklahoma has consistently some of the cheapest fuel prices in the nation. 




But your biggest problem with your feelings about this is that you actually have a brain, and you use it.  As compared to Coburn, and that group of slimeballs he associates himself with who are actually out to destroy public education.

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« Reply #538 on: May 02, 2018, 09:35:29 am »

I think we need a reminder.  So many are either willfully ignorant or morally bankrupt in their desire to intentionally hurt our children in this state.  As well as ALL the other public employees who have been so badly treated during the Failin' and Clown Show regime.


Public education does not exist for the benefit of students or the benefit of their parents. It exists for the benefit of the social order.

We have discovered as a species that it is useful to have an educated population. You do not need to be a student or have a child who is a student to benefit from public education. Every second of every day of your life, you benefit from public education.

So let me explain why I like to pay taxes for schools, even though I don't personally have a kid in school: It's because I don't like living in a country with a bunch of stupid people.

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