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« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2017, 02:21:07 pm »

That style store could be pushed to the sidewalk with half the number of pumps and fewer parking spaces on a much smaller footprint and be a plus to an urban area.

It could indeed, but that's pretty irrelevant to a discussion of the 15th & Lewis area.
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« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2017, 03:34:19 pm »

It could indeed, but that's pretty irrelevant to a discussion of the 15th & Lewis area.

Let's just agree that redevelopment/infill should create more density, not less.
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« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2017, 07:05:35 pm »

Let's just agree that redevelopment/infill should create more density, not less.

Some people are more dense
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« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2017, 08:08:10 pm »

Some people are more dense

One of the discussions on Nextdoor.com opined that having a 15th-and-Denver-sized store would be good for neighborhood crime because they always saw police there.
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« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2017, 09:01:22 pm »

One of the discussions on Nextdoor.com opined that having a 15th-and-Denver-sized store would be good for neighborhood crime because they always saw police there.

That site mostly makes me angry
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« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2017, 07:23:58 am »

One of the discussions on Nextdoor.com opined that having a 15th-and-Denver-sized store would be good for neighborhood crime because they always saw police there.

Does that logic also apply to the Admiral & Memorial Wal-Mart?
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« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2017, 09:43:27 am »

Does that logic also apply to the Admiral & Memorial Wal-Mart?

Was that the one with the shooting last night?  Who knows.  Maybe the poster just thought they hang around for free coffee.

CORRECTION:  not Wal-Mart  http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/woman-shot-in-leg-in-east-tulsa-police-searching-for-suspect
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« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2017, 12:42:22 pm »

Was that the one with the shooting last night?  Who knows.  Maybe the poster just thought they hang around for free coffee.

dunno... constant police presence...   Drain on the police force.    Supposedly the highest loss Wal-Mart of them all.  Due to all the theft....   Was closed for several months due to "plumbing issues"
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« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2017, 01:54:03 pm »

That style store could be pushed to the sidewalk with half the number of pumps and fewer parking spaces on a much smaller footprint and be a plus to an urban area.

This QT in Fort Worth is placed at the corner, with the pumps in the back. It's not perfect (there's no entrance facing the sidewalk, and it's obviously the back side) but it's a lot better than what they do to our street corners here.

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And this is the famous gasless, urban QT on Peachtree in Atlanta. It has parking behind the building, meets the sidewalk, includes plenty of transparency (windows), etc.


They also have better landscaping in cities that require it.
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« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2017, 02:47:39 pm »

We need to figure out what to do with our growing collection of dead or abandoned QuikTrips scattered throughout the city, each of which has deed restrictions preventing other fuel sales. The new one at 15th & Lewis will be there only 20 years or so before they decide to abandon it for the southwest corner.

From Tulsa World, May 11, 2014:
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On its way to building a growing national chain of 696 stores, the Tulsa convenience store company has closed more locations than it has opened.

“There are a lot of reasons we move, and it’s not always because the store isn’t making money,” QuikTrip spokesman Mike Thornbrugh said. “Traffic patterns change, sometimes we need more land, or maybe a store just isn’t living up to our expectations.”

In Tulsa alone the company has built 217 stores since the first “QuickTrip” opened in 1958. Today the company has just 70 stores, and QuikTrip has moved and closed stores as metrics and demographics change.

You don’t last very long if you are sentimental in this business,” Thornbrugh said. “We want the best locations.”[/b]

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Some stretches of road in Tulsa have two or three former QuikTrip locations. QT has occupied three corners of 51st Street and Union Avenue during its history, and the new store at Interstate 44 and Peoria Avenue is catty-corner from the location of the very first QuikTrip store opened by Chester Cadieux in 1953.


They build for expediency, for quick profits, then dump their locations when another corner at the same intersection opens up, complete with deed restrictions and boarded up windows, neighborhood be damned. County property taxes be damned. Competition be damned.

They are not the kindly, thoughtful, generous company they try to make themselves out to be. "Hey, don't think about us bullying your neighborhood and trying to skirt the City's rules on lighting, landscaping, or fencing - we just gave $3 million to a park! We're awesome!"

They exist for one reason: to sell candy, cigarettes, and gasoline; and they don't care what effects they have on anyone else around them.

It's easy to outsell the competition when you own almost every corner in town.

Has anyone tried to map all their abandoned stores?
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« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2017, 09:39:39 pm »

This QT in Fort Worth is placed at the corner, with the pumps in the back. It's not perfect (there's no entrance facing the sidewalk, and it's obviously the back side) but it's a lot better than what they do to our street corners here.

Its pretty much a dressed-up back wall
https://goo.gl/maps/ZdH4CL5ATJ92
but the Atlanta example would be promising if selling gas to Broken Arrow Expressway traffic weren't the primary goal here.
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