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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2017, 09:30:47 am »

Net Neutrality isn't about cost-of-service or increasing regulation.

It's about keeping the "it's illegal to censor internet traffic" regulations in place.
The regulation that says your service provider (be it home or cell-phone provider) can't censor the net.  Or charge you more to be able to visit certain websites.
And/or charge content providers to get preferential service on their network.
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2017, 01:22:21 pm »


Network neutrality stops ISPs from charging the cost causers (ie. Google, Netflix, Amazon) a higher price for the delivery of their content.   The cost causers have not contributed anything to very ISPs that allow them to provide the services (and make a tidy profit).   Large, for-profit companies should have to contribute to the installation and maintenance that enables them to sell subscriptions to customers.

It isn't going to "censor the internet" or anything else stupid.   It is going to force the people who cause the ISP to increase back haul to pay their fair share.
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2017, 01:28:30 pm »

Network neutrality stops ISPs from charging the cost causers (ie. Google, Netflix, Amazon) a higher price for the delivery of their content.   The cost causers have not contributed anything to very ISPs that allow them to provide the services (and make a tidy profit).   Large, for-profit companies should have to contribute to the installation and maintenance that enables them to sell subscriptions to customers.

It isn't going to "censor the internet" or anything else stupid.   It is going to force the people who cause the ISP to increase back haul to pay their fair share.


The solution is simple:  the end user could pay for the amount of data they consume.
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2017, 02:33:40 pm »

The solution is simple:  the end user could pay for the amount of data they consume.

Usage isn't like water or electricity. It isn't a finite resource. The infrastructure for bandwidth is costly but only incrementally so and actual usage doesn't cost anything at all to the ISP.
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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2017, 03:19:51 pm »

Usage isn't like water or electricity. It isn't a finite resource. The infrastructure for bandwidth is costly but only incrementally so and actual usage doesn't cost anything at all to the ISP.

And since I have a good idea of where you work (or at least worked) I'll trust your judgement on that.
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2017, 03:58:39 pm »

Usage isn't like water or electricity. It isn't a finite resource. The infrastructure for bandwidth is costly but only incrementally so and actual usage doesn't cost anything at all to the ISP.


Costs on equipment really aren't that big in the overall scheme of things...especially when compared to revenues generated by the monopoly they enjoy.  Labor is a big chunk, but even that pales in comparison to the money coming in. 



Such a bargain compared to the first small cable assembly I made many years ago - about $15 a foot for cable;

http://store.cablesplususa.com/dx144dwls9kr.html?utm_source=dx144dwls9kr&utm_medium=shopping%2Bengine&utm_campaign=googleproducts&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsJLjyqqW1QIVFNwZCh2QqwnnEAYYASABEgLfePD_BwE

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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2017, 07:46:50 pm »

Usage isn't like water or electricity. It isn't a finite resource. The infrastructure for bandwidth is costly but only incrementally so and actual usage doesn't cost anything at all to the ISP.

I wish that was the case...   I am not talking about the infrastructure...   I am talking about the port and connection fees.  

The cost of backhaul does go up rapidly.  (Rather it starts expensive and the price per meg goes down slowly.)
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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2017, 07:18:38 am »

I wish that was the case...   I am not talking about the infrastructure...   I am talking about the port and connection fees.  

The cost of backhaul does go up rapidly.  (Rather it starts expensive and the price per meg goes down slowly.)


That's what happens when you live in a non-capitalistic society that caters to the highest bidder for each and every Congressman. 

It's a capitalistic monopolism system.  An oligarchy.

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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2017, 12:44:15 pm »


That's what happens when you live in a non-capitalistic society that caters to the highest bidder for each and every Congressman.  

It's a capitalistic monopolism system.  An oligarchy.


What?   No, its what happens when regulators force companies to lower rates to customers and make up for it by billing businesses (who then are forced to raise rates to customers.)

Do you have any idea what it costs to get a 1Gbps Ethernet circuit?  (Hint:  Over $2k/month.)   If you promise customers 100 Mbps that is only 10....   But then you have to count on some not being home, not using the full pipe, etc...   So you sell that same service to 30 or 50...    

At $2k/month that is $40-$66 a month without ANY infrastructure costs....  
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What?   No, its what happens when regulators force companies to lower rates to customers and make up for it by billing businesses (who then are forced to raise rates to customers.)

Do you have any idea what it costs to get a 1Gbps Ethernet circuit?  (Hint:  Over $2k/month.)   If you promise customers 100 Mbps that is only 10....   But then you have to count on some not being home, not using the full pipe, etc...   So you sell that same service to 30 or 50...    

At $2k/month that is $40-$66 a month without ANY infrastructure costs....  


Wow!   What a shame you don't really understand how the system really works...!


As for the access, well those are the internet equivalent of overbooking as seen in airline industry.  AT&T showed the world how that is done...and they are arguably still the best at it.

Retail $2k a month.  Price gouging all the way....
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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2017, 08:15:10 am »


Wow!   What a shame you don't really understand how the system really works...!


It's a system that pays my salary.    Sad I don't know anything about it.
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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2017, 08:17:44 am »

It's a system that pays my salary.    Sad I don't know anything about it.

Then it's not surprising you have the stance that you do....
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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2017, 09:08:33 am »

It's a system that pays my salary.    Sad I don't know anything about it.


Yes, it is.

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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2017, 02:51:43 pm »

What?   No, its what happens when regulators force companies to lower rates to customers and make up for it by billing businesses (who then are forced to raise rates to customers.)

Do you have any idea what it costs to get a 1Gbps Ethernet circuit?  (Hint:  Over $2k/month.)   If you promise customers 100 Mbps that is only 10....   But then you have to count on some not being home, not using the full pipe, etc...   So you sell that same service to 30 or 50...    

At $2k/month that is $40-$66 a month without ANY infrastructure costs....  

Yes, I know what circuits cost. I was just working on a new contract for a 10g circuit. A bit over $7k per month. Oh, and earlier I was working on a storage array upgrade but had to order some 10g fiber cables from CDW.
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« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2017, 11:21:56 am »

Former FCC head dismantles case for abandoning net neutrality.

https://www.fastcompany.com/40445949/ex-chair-tom-wheeler-dismantles-fccs-argument-to-abandon-net-neutrality
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