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« on: July 07, 2017, 05:45:32 pm »

http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/artsandentertainment/arts-council-to-sell-historic-harwelden-mansion/article_a17b07c1-522b-5367-af1c-54abdb122d1b.html

AHCT selling Harwelden.
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2017, 09:18:40 pm »

Nuttin like the Blair mansion....
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2017, 10:03:29 pm »

Well, if I hadn’t already purchased a B & B...

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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2017, 07:41:58 pm »

Well, if I hadn’t already purchased a B & B...



Franchise opportunities?
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2017, 09:30:33 pm »

Franchise opportunities?

Heeeyyyy!
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2017, 10:35:44 am »

Big enough property to bulldoze and put in quite a few condos...!

Bring on the wrecking balls!!  Would love it if they would salvage the brick - I could use a few thousand of those for a house!


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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2017, 10:52:12 pm »


Not ready to downsize yet.
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2017, 08:46:37 am »

Big enough property to bulldoze and put in quite a few condos...!

Bring on the wrecking balls!!  Would love it if they would salvage the brick - I could use a few thousand of those for a house!

I doubt that would happen, but I could see the property being subdivided.  However the location right next to Riverside and the steep slope there complicates things.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2017, 09:06:45 am »

I doubt that would happen, but I could see the property being subdivided.  However the location right next to Riverside and the steep slope there complicates things.


All the developer has to do is pay the zoning "fees"...to the right people, of course...

Look right across the street - in two directions.  Condo's/apartments, etc.   Money is King!

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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2017, 10:07:39 am »

If I’m not mistaken (which is rare for me not to), isn’t Harwelden on the National Register?  That would pretty well put the kibosh on a rape & scrape, though I don’t believe it would stop the development of the lower part of the property which would be a shame as green space is a disappearing commodity and it is a nice view from atop the hill.

Some of my favorite all-time pics of my wife and my wife and I were taken during the Gatsby Picnic the Art Deco Society had on the grounds six or seven years ago.  Several of this forums contributors were there that day.
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2017, 12:06:27 pm »

If I’m not mistaken (which is rare for me not to), isn’t Harwelden on the National Register?  That would pretty well put the kibosh on a rape & scrape, though I don’t believe it would stop the development of the lower part of the property which would be a shame as green space is a disappearing commodity and it is a nice view from atop the hill.

Some of my favorite all-time pics of my wife and my wife and I were taken during the Gatsby Picnic the Art Deco Society had on the grounds six or seven years ago.  Several of this forums contributors were there that day.



Nice distant memories.  Keep the pics.  I'm betting on rape and scrape.  It's Tulsa...it's what we do.



And yeah, I probably AM feeling particularly 'pissee' today...

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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2017, 07:25:02 pm »

If I’m not mistaken (which is rare for me not to), isn’t Harwelden on the National Register?  That would pretty well put the kibosh on a rape & scrape, though I don’t believe it would stop the development of the lower part of the property which would be a shame as green space is a disappearing commodity and it is a nice view from atop the hill.

Some of my favorite all-time pics of my wife and my wife and I were taken during the Gatsby Picnic the Art Deco Society had on the grounds six or seven years ago.  Several of this forums contributors were there that day.

It is on National Register, but not in a historic zone. Tear down is more difficult, but not out of the question.
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2017, 01:26:55 pm »

Big enough property to bulldoze and put in quite a few condos...!

Bring on the wrecking balls!!  Would love it if they would salvage the brick - I could use a few thousand of those for a house!



This property is in an ideal spot to bridge the residential area that surrounds it with the entrance to the Gathering Place. They should absolutely keep the house and (hopefully before the sale) split the lot so that the south side can be used to build some sort of development that would complement the Gathering Place and Blue Rose nearby.

I think a condo development with retail/restaurant space with a big patio would be awesome. Basically something like the building Roosevelt's is in could be neat right there and would compliment the buildings around there well. A rooftop restaurant would be really awesome.

The green space there is nice and I hope whoever buys it keeps as many trees as possible, but I wouldn't mind more density right there where downtown tapers off into condos and houses. Really would be a great opportunity for someone.

I wonder if the house could be converted into something or use it as it currently is (Office & Events) or perhaps a bed and breakfast.
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2017, 02:13:41 pm »

I know it's not quite riverfront, but there are 3 properties right on 21st south of Boston and by Main that are vacant and have been for a long time. The massive for sale sign should be converted to a permanent fixture at this point after 10 or so years. What a waste of decent property to be vacant so long after the last building was bulldozed (I believe a Shriner building). It is owned by "TUDORS FLATS LLC" and looks like they planned to put the same housing that is between there and the Harwelden. I think they did a nice job making some neat homes. I guess they found there was a limit to how many they could sell and put a stop to it or maybe they're hoping for a big payday from the lot.
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2017, 02:24:08 pm »



Nice distant memories.  Keep the pics.  I'm betting on rape and scrape.  It's Tulsa...it's what we do.

And yeah, I probably AM feeling particularly 'pissee' today...


If those properties a block away aren't selling after a decade, will the Harwelden do much better in the eyes of a developer looking to build? Even if it is split up, it seems like it might be another place which will sit as a vacant lot for years. It is not like you can see the river from that spot or that it actually connects to the main part of the Gathering Place. It will just be close to the new sidewalk. Does anyone think they will pay so much to demolish such a multi-million-dollar mansion for more empty lot space currently zoned single-family when there's a few lots available a block away already zoned correctly and more ready to build?

I'm guessing a rich person will buy this and put up a nice big fence or a business/non-profit will use it similar to how it is currently (and it will likely take a long time to sell if they want $5-7 million). I think the mansion is almost certainly safe just based on the financial feasibility of spending 4-7 million to get a lot worth half of that. You would have to be crazy (or stupid) to demolish it OR have such a massive planned development that it would be no big deal to wast that much (not likely).
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