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« Reply #165 on: June 28, 2018, 10:02:22 am »

Or 3rd/4th. They also renovated the santa fe depot building at the corner of 1st and Elgin into a small office building as part of this project and that was originally supposed to be part of the hotel.

The original plans showed the large mostly-office building at 2nd and Elgin and a very large mega-building that was almost an entire city block (part office) and then the large parking garage. Each building was to have all ground-floor retail except for the hotel and then apartments and/or office space above. Even the garage was going to have retail along 1st and 2nd.

Looking at the rendering again, it looks like it will still be a large parking garage taking up about the same footprint, but will only be 4 levels rather than the 7 levels originally planned. So not only will the building take out a quarter of that, it will be a much shorter building so that's a drawback  (so maybe only 500-spot garage now). Must've been to expensive.

http://x.lnimg.com/attachments/AB8716BB-3952-469A-965E-A634B8E5900A.pdf

This is a better plan IMO.  You still have a parking garage but there is an activated retail corner at 1st & Greenwood (not sure about 2nd & Greenwood) and we get another office tower on top. 
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« Reply #166 on: June 29, 2018, 07:57:18 am »

This would be nice for the opposite end of the development.  As far as height, I don't really care about height.  I'd much prefer infill throughout downtown with 4-6 story buildings than a few towers between parking craters.  I know that's not feasible or popular, but it's what I'd prefer. 

The original plan excites me because of the interior corridors and retail space.  I'd love for it to be like a small open air mall, which are much preferable to the dying suburban indoor mall model. 
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« Reply #167 on: June 29, 2018, 09:46:52 am »

This would be nice for the opposite end of the development.  As far as height, I don't really care about height.  I'd much prefer infill throughout downtown with 4-6 story buildings than a few towers between parking craters.  I know that's not feasible or popular, but it's what I'd prefer.  

The original plan excites me because of the interior corridors and retail space.  I'd love for it to be like a small open air mall, which are much preferable to the dying suburban indoor mall model.  

From what I've heard Santa Fe Square was always envisioned as a three phase project.  The first phase is the Hotel Indigo and renovation of the old Frisco Depot at 1st & Elgin.  The second phase is the office portion and the last phase is the residential.  ARG, one of the apartment co-developers, is also developing The View by ONEOK Field (and built The Edge, Tribune Lofts, Renaissance, etc).

Another view of the office building at 2nd & Elgin courtesy of Selser Schaefer Architects.  The hotel looks different though so I'm not sure if this is the latest design or not..

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« Reply #168 on: June 29, 2018, 11:37:40 am »

I love the different architectural styles.  Looks more organic than a mega structure. 
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« Reply #169 on: June 29, 2018, 11:55:23 am »

From what I've heard Santa Fe Square was always envisioned as a three phase project.  The first phase is the Hotel Indigo and renovation of the old Frisco Depot at 1st & Elgin.  The second phase is the office portion and the last phase is the residential.  ARG, one of the apartment co-developers, is also developing The View by ONEOK Field (and built The Edge, Tribune Lofts, Renaissance, etc).

Another view of the office building at 2nd & Elgin courtesy of Selser Schaefer Architects.  The hotel looks different though so I'm not sure if this is the latest design or not..

The new building at 1st and Greenwood looks so much different than that original proposed style, that I doubt the "centerpiece" of the development will end up looking much like this rendering.

Seems like the norm for these developments is to make grand proposal and end up with a cheaper looking building that's at least better than a parking lot (Like the Ross group building next to OneOK). I love that they're turning the garage into much more of a building though. Big improvement there!
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« Reply #170 on: September 24, 2018, 09:39:05 am »

This appears to confirm the 1st & Greenwood location for a second office tower at Santa Fe Square



I don't know if this is old news or not, but I noticed new signage on the corner across from the blue dome for leasing on this tower. I assume that means it is nearing construction, although that is certainly not always the case here in Tulsa.
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« Reply #171 on: September 24, 2018, 10:40:45 am »

I don't know if this is old news or not, but I noticed new signage on the corner across from the blue dome for leasing on this tower. I assume that means it is nearing construction, although that is certainly not always the case here in Tulsa.

The tower at 1st & Greenwood or the one at 2nd & Elgin?  There are two office buildings that are part of the Santa Fe Square development.  The hotel is nearly finished and the apartments/parking garage will be in between.  I've heard those will be part of the last phase as they are being co-developed by ARG which wants to first get The View well underway across the tracks.
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« Reply #172 on: October 04, 2018, 08:00:07 am »

I don't know if these have been brought up yet, but a lot of these renderings of the area look new: http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/111-S-Elgin-Ave-Tulsa-OK/4354832/

Kinda scaled back into smaller individual buildings, but it probably makes more sense. The proposed cinema would be nice.
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« Reply #173 on: October 04, 2018, 01:34:44 pm »

I don't know if these have been brought up yet, but a lot of these renderings of the area look new: http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/111-S-Elgin-Ave-Tulsa-OK/4354832/

Kinda scaled back into smaller individual buildings, but it probably makes more sense. The proposed cinema would be nice.


I'm curious if their software can't have cars do back-in angled parking, or if they are the type of people who park like that.
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« Reply #174 on: October 04, 2018, 03:57:11 pm »

I don't know if these have been brought up yet, but a lot of these renderings of the area look new: http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/111-S-Elgin-Ave-Tulsa-OK/4354832/

Kinda scaled back into smaller individual buildings, but it probably makes more sense. The proposed cinema would be nice.

The cost-cutting measures begin. These buildings are nice enough at this point, but no where near as nice as the initial Santa Fe Square renderings. Most of the character in the architecture which was fitting of the name has already been cut out. Even at this point, the renderings look like a pretty generic urban development.







But don't worry, the final will look hardly like these. It will be much more generic. Those casement windows are going to have to go and there are far cheaper awnings. I'm kidding and these buildings are good enough provided they get built. I hope the cornerstone building at 2nd and Elgin ends up being close to what they showed originally.
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« Reply #175 on: October 08, 2018, 02:43:52 pm »

I actually like the newest design for the 2nd & Elgin building.  The whole thing ties into the current design aesthetic of a lot of the older brick buildings downtown, more than the more European-looking previous version.  If they can land an Alamo Drafthouse where the "Santa Fe Cinema" is shown on 2nd that would be pretty awesome and a big draw for the retail/restaurants that are part of this development.  

If you're in OKC there is a new development called West Village on the west side of downtown.  It includes a couple renovated historic buildings that have been turned into a restaurant/music venue and a hotel (Museum 21c), but the surrounding apartments are pretty tacky.  Hopefully we get something more like Dallas' West Village which is mixed-use with a theater, apartments, retail, etc. and really transformed the area around it.
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« Reply #176 on: October 10, 2018, 08:58:29 am »

Really interested in the "Santa Fe Cinema" and whether this could be an Alamo Drafthouse.

The footprint of this Alamo would be similar to one they recently built in Denver and would fit along 2nd St between Frankfort and Greenwood adjacent to the parking garage.  Like the one in Denver the main lobby would be at the corner of 2nd & Frankfort.

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« Reply #177 on: October 10, 2018, 09:25:17 am »

An Alamo Drafthouse here would be amazing.
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