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« Reply #195 on: February 18, 2018, 10:41:50 am »


I give credit to the department for how they handled the situation. They gave me time to think about it. There were some on and off discussions about maybe moving me around in the department or me holding on until I had found another job, but I knew what I had to do.




 When you become a cog in “the thing that crushes” —  enforcement apparatus — your good intentions have a way of evaporating and you become implicated whether you like it or not.


https://theintercept.com/2018/02/18/border-patrol-deportation-francisco-cantu/

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« Reply #196 on: March 07, 2018, 10:48:39 am »

Jeff Sessions DOJ is suing sanctuaries for, among other things, requiring a search warrant for searches.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/7/17088144/california-lawsuit-sanctuary-immigration-law-doj
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« Reply #197 on: March 13, 2018, 03:52:50 pm »

ICE Spokesman Quits Over Leaders' Use Of 'Misleading Facts'
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/13/593104213/ice-spokesman-quits-over-leaders-use-of-misleading-facts-to-discuss-calif-arrest


ICE spokesman resigns, citing fabrications by agency chief, Sessions

“I didn’t feel like fabricating the truth to defend ourselves against [the mayor’s] actions was the way to go about it,” he told the Chronicle. “We were never going to pick up that many people. To say that 100 percent are dangerous criminals on the street, or that those people weren’t picked up because of the misguided actions of the mayor, is just wrong.”

If reporters asked him about Homan’s and Sessions’s comments, he said, his superiors at ICE told him to simply “deflect to previous statements” from those top officials.

“It’s the job of a public affairs officer to offer transparency for the agency you work for,” Schwab told the Chronicle.
“I’ve never been in a situation when I’ve been asked to ignore the facts because it was more convenient.”

As the days went by, he told CNN, “I just couldn’t bear the burden — continuing on as a representative of the agency and charged with upholding integrity, knowing that information was false.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/03/13/ice-spokesman-resigns-over-false-statements-by-top-officials-about-calif-immigrant-arrests

https://www.thenation.com/article/its-time-to-abolish-ice/
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« Reply #198 on: April 24, 2018, 11:37:00 am »

“An incident in the Rio Grande Valley Sector on February 14, 2017, involved seven U.S. Border Patrol Agents assaulted by six subjects utilizing three different types of projectiles (rocks, bottles, and tree branches), totaling 126 assaults.”
"the mere brandishing of an object constitutes assault."

How the Border Patrol Faked Statistics Showing a 73 Percent Rise in Assaults Against Agents

https://theintercept.com/2018/04/23/border-patrol-agents-assaulted-cbp-fbi/

That "enhanced accounting" is not unheard of.  Its very similar to the way police inflated the number of methamphetamine makers by changing the definition of "meth lab" from a dwelling to any bottle or container that could have been used in the manufacture.
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« Reply #199 on: May 01, 2018, 01:27:23 pm »

US taxpayers paid out more than $60m in legal settlements where border agents were involved in deaths, driving injuries, alleged assaults and wrongful detention

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/01/border-patrol-violence-us-paid-60m-to-cover-claims-against-the-agency
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« Reply #200 on: May 01, 2018, 02:37:13 pm »

US taxpayers paid out more than $60m in legal settlements where border agents were involved in deaths, driving injuries, alleged assaults and wrongful detention

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/01/border-patrol-violence-us-paid-60m-to-cover-claims-against-the-agency

2005-2017.     12 years..   For all the border agents nationwide?     Considering Tulsa alone seems to pay out millions a year, those numbers are pretty awesome.
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« Reply #201 on: June 18, 2018, 09:28:04 am »

It's another rough week for the T.F.N C.j.C...Historic talks with N.K...Citizens getting Utility rate reductions all across the U.S because of Trump Tax cuts...A scathing I.G. report with more to follow...And to cap it off it was the Teflon Don's birthday...Hoist one to your President...!!!!...Sorry your weekend was ruined before it started...!!!!



This is for everyone else to ponder and perhaps 'wonder' how he might answer - a direct question for the Breadhead...

Exactly what value system is it you have that rationalizes the separation of children from their parents??

(Yeah, I know - it is the way we have always done 'business' in this country, but just asking about his definition of that value system.  I call it "The American Way".)






"I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart."

--  Laura Bush,  former first lady of the United States


  https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/laura-bush-separating-children-from-their-parents-at-the-border-breaks-my-heart/2018/06/17/f2df517a-7287-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html




Crash That Killed 5 "Good Police Work"
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/border-patrol-collision-texas/index.html

Have we just gone completely insane?
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« Reply #202 on: June 18, 2018, 10:57:21 am »







"I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart."

--  Laura Bush,  former first lady of the United States


  https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/laura-bush-separating-children-from-their-parents-at-the-border-breaks-my-heart/2018/06/17/f2df517a-7287-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html




Crash That Killed 5 "Good Police Work"
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/border-patrol-collision-texas/index.html

Have we just gone completely insane?



First,...says the woman who has hired illegals her entire life, talking about the need to protect our international borders (see previous discussions about the hypocrisy of punishing poor people acting out of desperation, while letting her rich buddies off the hook!).  But yeah, she is right!  It is all of those things and more! 

Great police work for a totalitarian state - like Russia, China, North Korea...   Oh, wait...those are our good buddies and shining examples of leadership now!  I almost forgot...


And finally, yes.  We have gone completely insane.



Wanna make book on whether Breadhead will actually give a real answer to that question?   Something not involving his stunted potty training efforts...??




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« Reply #203 on: June 18, 2018, 12:20:29 pm »





Crash That Killed 5 "Good Police Work"
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/border-patrol-collision-texas/index.html

Have we just gone completely insane?


This isn't new news.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-us-multiple-fatals-crash-060709-2009jun07-story.html

https://tucson.com/news/driver-in-rollover-crash-that-killed-illegal-aliens-pleads-guilty/article_e6d675f4-2c9c-5533-a305-b5c204890841.html

https://www.pinalcentral.com/eloy_enterprise/news/killed-in-late-night-rollover-on-i--in-picacho/article_216c91f7-ace4-5180-aa89-11673994ef33.html

https://www.willcoxrangenews.com/news/article_3bb605a6-89cf-5785-bd16-7e8912384607.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-arizona-crash/four-suspected-illegal-immigrants-killed-in-arizona-crash-idUSBRE84116020120502

http://www.newburyportnews.com/news/local_news/suspected-illegal-immigrants-killed-at-least-injured-in-arizona-crash/article_42918387-e2c9-5610-bacb-ceb62a0b36d1.html

http://www.azfamily.com/story/18198870/az-woman-arrested-in-fatal-immigrant-crash

Where were you pencil necks then?
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« Reply #204 on: June 18, 2018, 02:55:57 pm »


How many of these cases involve the border patrol chasing the vehicle at speeds over 100mph? Which should not be done by the border patrol, OHP, FBI or TPD.
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« Reply #205 on: June 18, 2018, 03:27:06 pm »

How many of these cases involve the border patrol chasing the vehicle at speeds over 100mph? Which should not be done by the border patrol, OHP, FBI or TPD.

Some were, others were unlicensed illegals driving stolen vehicles at high rates of speed because they don't care and this is a small sample of incidents. This has been going on in the southwest since the mid 80's and there was no outrage in the past.
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« Reply #206 on: June 18, 2018, 04:15:26 pm »

Some were, others were unlicensed illegals driving stolen vehicles at high rates of speed because they don't care and this is a small sample of incidents. This has been going on in the southwest since the mid 80's and there was no outrage in the past.

People smugglers do suck. It's a good reason for more border security and opening up more immigration. But, I don't think the government can be blamed for crashes they had no part in. Which others were from high speed chases?

High speed chases in general are something that need to be stopped, especially in an era of cell phone tracking, facial recognition and license plate scanning.

The border patrol seems like they are more than a bit out of control lately, shooting a Mexican national recently that was standing in Mexico, killing an unarmed woman on our side of the border and then lying about the circumstances, running over a Native American man last week and just driving off. It doesn't seem like the current administration cares at all about the human beings they encounter near the border. That's wrong.
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« Reply #207 on: June 18, 2018, 08:50:34 pm »


This has been going on in the southwest since the mid 80's and there was no outrage in the past.


The outrage was exemplified in the last line of the story.




High speed chases in general are something that need to be stopped, especially in an era of cell phone tracking, facial recognition and license plate scanning.

The border patrol seems like they are more than a bit out of control lately, shooting a Mexican national recently that was standing in Mexico, killing an unarmed woman on our side of the border and then lying about the circumstances, running over a Native American man last week and just driving off. It doesn't seem like the current administration cares at all about the human beings they encounter near the border. That's wrong.


As long as its poor dark-skinned foreign lawbreakers who cares?  You have to have a starting point to morally condone hatred and brutality, then it just gets easier.



LISTEN: Border agent mocks migrant children crying for parents at detention center
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-news-border-patrol-migrant-children-audio-20180618-story.html
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« Reply #208 on: June 18, 2018, 09:03:34 pm »

The outrage was exemplified in the last line of the story.



As long as its poor dark-skinned foreign lawbreakers who cares?  You have to have a starting point to morally condone hatred and brutality, then it just gets easier.


Yeah but, the guy they ran over, Paulo Remes, he's not foreign or even Hispanic, he's Native, from the Tohono O'odham Nation.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paulo-remes-video-border-patrol-tohono-oodham-nation/
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« Reply #209 on: June 18, 2018, 10:07:17 pm »

Yeah but, the guy they ran over, Paulo Remes, he's not foreign or even Hispanic, he's Native, from the Tohono O'odham Nation.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paulo-remes-video-border-patrol-tohono-oodham-nation/

But...but...he's brown.   Roll Eyes
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