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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2017, 08:29:07 am »


But actually, Im surprised the 21st and Yale store is the one on the chopping block given its uniqueness.

“This is the only free-standing store of its type in the nation”  says the Whirled.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/news/throwbacktulsa/throwback-tulsa-sears-had-everything-when-it-moved-to-the/article_ef525501-c34d-5966-a9d1-5c69d72c061e.html


What is unique about the 21st & Yale Sears?  And what does that quote from the Whirled  even mean?  Free-standing Sears stores are not particularly unusual.
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2017, 08:49:07 am »

What is unique about the 21st & Yale Sears?  And what does that quote from the Whirled  even mean?  Free-standing Sears stores are not particularly unusual.

If you'd have seen the store 40 years ago you might understand.
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2017, 08:55:11 am »

What is unique about the 21st & Yale Sears?  And what does that quote from the Whirled  even mean?  Free-standing Sears stores are not particularly unusual.
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“Sears is not in the habit of rebuilding free-standing stores. They prefer to go into the malls,” the store’s manager said in 1998. “But they stayed here because they saw that with the customer base and the community, it would be very helpful to keep a free-standing store.

“This is the only free-standing store of its type in the nation.”
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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2017, 10:20:01 am »

I really think one of the better long-term options for Promenade Mall would be an expansion of the OU-Tulsa campus.  Build a skybridge over Yale to connect it to the existing SW corner campus and maybe an automatic circulator that goes back and forth between both campuses.  Perhaps a portion of the mall could be an incubator for startups coming out of the OU-Tulsa programs.  Another portion could be a clinic for the medical school. 
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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2017, 11:02:17 am »

I really think one of the better long-term options for Promenade Mall would be an expansion of the OU-Tulsa campus.  Build a skybridge over Yale to connect it to the existing SW corner campus and maybe an automatic circulator that goes back and forth between both campuses.  Perhaps a portion of the mall could be an incubator for startups coming out of the OU-Tulsa programs.  Another portion could be a clinic for the medical school. 

I like the way you think, a medical complex could be preferable than a shopping mall at this spot.  I could see that actually happening if they didn’t already have such a huge plot of land they can expand on as it is.

Oklahoma City benefits from a medical research park offshoot from the OU Med complex on 10th St. south of the Capitol.  Something like this could create hundreds of really good paying jobs for Tulsa.
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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2017, 12:12:32 pm »

I like the way you think, a medical complex could be preferable than a shopping mall at this spot.  I could see that actually happening if they didn’t already have such a huge plot of land they can expand on as it is.

Oklahoma City benefits from a medical research park offshoot from the OU Med complex on 10th St. south of the Capitol.  Something like this could create hundreds of really good paying jobs for Tulsa.

May compete with the St. John - Hillcrest medical corridor, but otherwise sounds like a neat idea.
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2017, 01:30:42 pm »

I've thought about the possibilities of having OU expand across Yale since the mid-2000's when the mall started going downhill.  Honestly there isn't a real need for a mall this size in between Woodland Hills and Utica Square.  If anything closing Promenade can only strengthen those two shopping centers.  Some kind of medical complex would probably make the most sense.  Or even a combined retail/medical development, there are lots of possibilities.

One successful indoor mall to outdoor shopping center case study is the Villa Italia Mall to Belmar transformation in Lakewood, CO.  They demolished the old dying mall and rebuilt it on the street grid with the big retail stores on the periphery and two "main streets" with the retail shops, a movie theatre and apartments/offices above.  Really well done it's worth seeing if you're ever in the area.  43rd is already a good connector to OU across the street, if you could punch Braden through from 43rd to 41st then you could line it with stores and have an OU medical component along Yale.  The same for 42nd from Yale to Darlington.
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2017, 06:53:06 pm »

One successful indoor mall to outdoor shopping center case study is the Villa Italia Mall to Belmar transformation in Lakewood, CO. 


The Kensington Galleria was a pretty successful conversion of retail to office space as well.    Eastland is trying, but not there yet.
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2017, 08:01:06 pm »

And as previously mentioned, I believe the conversion of Southroads Mall directly to the north of the Promenade is a very good example of a successful indoor to outdoor conversion which was an adaptive re-use rather than a nuke and re-build.  It doesn’t really qualify as a “power center” per se, but it seems to serve a good purpose for midtown.
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2017, 11:55:23 am »

Here is another mall in Alexandria, VA that is using their anchor Macy's closing as the impetus to tear down the mall and start over as an open air shopping center.  That would be ironic if that is what eventually happens to Promenade since it started out as an open air shopping center..

http://www.chainstoreage.com/article/hughes-buys-macys-will-convert-mall-open-air-center#

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Macy’s shuttering of the location gave Hughes the opportunity to act on a rezoning of the site approved by the Alexandria City Council in 2013. In a release, the company said it intends to turn the 1965 vintage mall into a “vibrant, open-air, mixed-use community … designed to create a dynamic urban village.”
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2017, 01:06:37 pm »

Here is another mall in Alexandria, VA that is using their anchor Macy's closing as the impetus to tear down the mall and start over as an open air shopping center.  That would be ironic if that is what eventually happens to Promenade since it started out as an open air shopping center..

http://www.chainstoreage.com/article/hughes-buys-macys-will-convert-mall-open-air-center#


It would be incredibly ironic as Southroads transitioned from an indoor mall to power center after Foley's (Macy's) closed and moved across the street to Promenade
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« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2017, 08:12:30 pm »

The rumor mill is spinning again. So I heard that Mathis Brothers is taking over the old Macy’s. I don’t know how accurate this information is. If it does happen I think it would be great for the mall and Mathis Brothers!!
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« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2017, 09:57:32 pm »

I believe the Mathis deal is dead. My understanding is the property fell out of contract about a week ago and CBRE is again marketing the property.
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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2017, 07:56:40 am »

The rumor mill is spinning again. So I heard that Mathis Brothers is taking over the old Macy’s. I don’t know how accurate this information is. If it does happen I think it would be great for the mall and Mathis Brothers!!


Oh, yuck..!!   Gag me with a 10 lb turkey!!   Another Mathis place - just what Tulsa needs....NOT !!


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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2017, 09:09:42 am »


Sounds like I may not be the fanboy most Tulsan's are...true.


Who likes Mathis bros?
I assume it attracts everyone from the sticks that come into town for furniture shoppin'
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