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« Reply #240 on: February 16, 2018, 10:15:29 am »

Just because you have cell phone records or even all the conversations/text messages recorded, that still doesn't tell you who 918-xxx-xxxx belongs to until you get a court order.   

No court order required to use the Google
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« Reply #241 on: February 16, 2018, 02:02:51 pm »

General eavesdropping should not be allowed.  I don't want a govt that looks at all calls, particularly the actual conversation data, and then uses that data to track everyday citizens.   They need to have a reason, first, and then ask for the call and/or personal data.  This is, to me, philosophically similar to police setting up the random check stations for drunk drivers.  It's a blanket search that indiscriminately targets everyone, and then sweeps up whatever it can find.   I'm all for stopping drunk drivers, but general-public check stations are over the line.  (JMHO)

It is my understanding that eavesdropping requires a court order.   All call records (to/from/duration) are not considered confidential.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_message_accounting)
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« Reply #242 on: February 16, 2018, 02:34:06 pm »

It is my understanding that eavesdropping requires a court order.   All call records (to/from/duration) are not considered confidential.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_message_accounting)


You are referencing old landline Caller ID tech from the '80's, not the unwarranted mass mining of digital communications by persons not a party to those conversations.

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« Reply #243 on: February 16, 2018, 03:04:09 pm »

You are referencing old landline Caller ID tech from the '80's, not the unwarranted mass mining of digital communications by persons not a party to those conversations.

Are you not allowed to talk about Stingrays?

Are you implying I could throw up a cell-tower and listen in on my neighbors?
(this is considered a man-in-the-middle attack)
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« Reply #244 on: February 16, 2018, 05:52:55 pm »

Are you implying I could throw up a cell-tower and listen in on my neighbors?
(this is considered a man-in-the-middle attack)

Paraphrasing Rebounds point, "could" does not necessarily mean "should."

That technology exists.  It's illegal as hell but agencies seem to think that their nondisclosure agreements somehow bypass the U.S. Constitution.
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« Reply #245 on: February 17, 2018, 10:50:44 am »


That technology exists.  It's illegal as hell but agencies seem to think that their nondisclosure agreements somehow bypass the U.S. Constitution.

Strangely, I don't think there are any laws about performing a cellular "man in the middle" attack OTHER than the fact you would be rebroadcasting on a licensed spectrum that is "owned" by a particular cellular provider.

Much like email...   If you choose to send it unencrypted, you shouldn't get too angry that someone may read it.


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« Reply #246 on: February 17, 2018, 12:13:03 pm »


Strangely, I don't think there are any laws about performing a cellular "man in the middle" attack OTHER than the fact you would be rebroadcasting on a licensed spectrum that is "owned" by a particular cellular provider.

Much like email...   If you choose to send it unencrypted, you shouldn't get too angry that someone may read it.


Its called wiretapping, and yes it is against the law.

Are you not allowed to talk about Stingrays?
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« Reply #247 on: February 17, 2018, 02:41:19 pm »


Don't know much about Stingrays.   Got to pet one once.

Wiretapping is not the same as a man in the middle.   I am not a lawyer, but I thought wiretapping must involve eavesdropping.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/03/wifi_imsi_catcher/


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