President Trump- The Implications

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[Hoss]

Day 31 of the smile show:

I saw that Herr Trump posted a request for people to take a survey in what was called a 'mainstream media accountability survey'.  However, things didn't go quite his way on this, as the poll didn't live up to what he expected (you can read that as more than just HIS supporters/followers took the poll).  What did he expect?  He asked 'Americans' to take it.  His respsonse?



While in Florida yesterday during his 'rally' (hey Donny, you won...hasn't anyone told you this?) he alluded to some nefarious incident in Sweden happening.  From a Swedish media outlet, here is what they say happened in their country.

This morning on Meet the Press, John McCain (yes that John McCain) had the following to say during a discussion with Chuck Todd:

"I hate the press, I hate you especially, but the fact is we need you, we need a free press," John McCain told Chuck Todd.
"I'm not saying President Trump is trying to be a dictator, I'm just saying we need to learn the lessons of history."

But I'm sure many in this state would call McCain a RINO.  That took incredible courage and love of country above party to say.  Of course that's my opinion.

[Ed W]

But the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor in Sweden yesterday. Everybody knows that.

[Hoss]

But the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor in Sweden yesterday. Everybody knows that.

LOL.  Nice Animal House reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI

[erfalf]

Day 31 of the smile show:

I saw that Herr Trump posted a request for people to take a survey in what was called a 'mainstream media accountability survey'.  However, things didn't go quite his way on this, as the poll didn't live up to what he expected (you can read that as more than just HIS supporters/followers took the poll).  What did he expect?  He asked 'Americans' to take it.  His respsonse?



While in Florida yesterday during his 'rally' (hey Donny, you won...hasn't anyone told you this?) he alluded to some nefarious incident in Sweden happening.  From a Swedish media outlet, here is what they say happened in their country.

This morning on Meet the Press, John McCain (yes that John McCain) had the following to say during a discussion with Chuck Todd:

"I hate the press, I hate you especially, but the fact is we need you, we need a free press," John McCain told Chuck Todd.
"I'm not saying President Trump is trying to be a dictator, I'm just saying we need to learn the lessons of history."

But I'm sure many in this state would call McCain a RINO.  That took incredible courage and love of country above party to say.  Of course that's my opinion.

What McCain said and what Trump says about the press in my eyes are perfectly in line with each other, they both hate the press, But in yours one is heroic, and the other a dictator?

Please describe to me exactly how Trump has been hindering the "free press". I really would like to know. Presidents have long tried to control the press or release what they thought would best suit them. Trump is (STILL) not unique on this front. Roosevelt had polio, yet no one knew. Was he a dictator because he controlled the message (well, maybe a bad example)?

[Hoss]

What McCain said and what Trump says about the press in my eyes are perfectly in line with each other, they both hate the press, But in yours one is heroic, and the other a dictator?

Please describe to me exactly how Trump has been hindering the "free press". I really would like to know. Presidents have long tried to control the press or release what they thought would best suit them. Trump is (STILL) not unique on this front. Roosevelt had polio, yet no one knew. Was he a dictator because he controlled the message (well, maybe a bad example)?

Yep, continue to fall in line.

The difference is that no President has EVER called the press the 'enemy of the American people'.  Not even Nixon did that, although at the end I'm pretty sure he probably thought it.

Wow.

[rebound]

Yep, continue to fall in line.

The difference is that no President has EVER called the press the 'enemy of the American people'.  Not even Nixon did that, although at the end I'm pretty sure he probably thought it.

Wow.

Exactly.    Also, the term "Fake News" is also far more dangerous than it might first seem.  It's used as a classic gaslighting technique
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting)  and is an attempt to discredit ALL news, not just the actual and real fabrications.  Muddy the waters, confuse people, and tell them the only person they should believe is HIM.   Honestly scary. 

[Hoss]

Also, with regards to FDR, there was a gentleman's agreement between FDR and the press corps not to show him in a wheelchair or in such a way as to show weakness with regards to the US leader.  That's a whole lot different than what Bronzer Overload is doing here.  He's essentially calling the Fourth Estate the enemy and trying to wage war on it.

Putin did this same exact thing in the first year of his leadership by suing the press many times and essentially getting them to fall in line...Pravda-style.

[cannon_fodder]

Actually, the press did talk about his disability.  TIME even published a photo of FDR in his wheelchair:
http://ideas.time.com/2013/07/12/the-myth-of-fdrs-secret-disability/

[Hoss]

Actually, the press did talk about his disability.  TIME even published a photo of FDR in his wheelchair:
http://ideas.time.com/2013/07/12/the-myth-of-fdrs-secret-disability/

My point being was that he didn't strong-arm the press into hiding it.  And that was the exact article I sourced for the gentleman's agreement.

[AquaMan]

FWIW Nixon did refer to the press as the enemy. In Nixon's world they were because facts were facts back then.

[erfalf]

So the concern is that Twitter comments are going to shut down the press. Got it.

Using the term Fake News is only dangerous because the "press" can't seem to fact check their own smile at a pretty alarming rate. You know how people grumble and moan that preception isn't reality. Well, there is a reason that the perception exist in most circumstances.

[Hoss]

So the concern is that Twitter comments are going to shut down the press. Got it.

Using the term Fake News is only dangerous because the "press" can't seem to fact check their own smile at a pretty alarming rate. You know how people grumble and moan that preception isn't reality. Well, there is a reason that the perception exist in most circumstances.

Jeez.  The twitter comments?

He's been saying them out on the campaign tr...wait, hasn't someone told this guy he won?  He can't stand it when he's not in the spotlight, so he throws tantrums like the press conference last week.

His Chief of Staff has also reaffirmed it.

Glad to know you are a gullible Trump supporter...or at least you appear to be.

This country has voted a 5 year old into office.  Sad.

[erfalf]

Jeez.  The twitter comments?

He's been saying them out on the campaign tr...wait, hasn't someone told this guy he won?  He can't stand it when he's not in the spotlight, so he throws tantrums like the press conference last week.

His Chief of Staff has also reaffirmed it.

Glad to know you are a gullible Trump supporter...or at least you appear to be.

This country has voted a 5 year old into office.  Sad.

About as gullible as believing this duffus could really "shut down the press" by making it an enemy. Come off it.

[Hoss]

About as gullible as believing this duffus could really "shut down the press" by making it an enemy. Come off it.

I never said he could.  I'm saying we need to, as McCain said, look to history.  Clairvoyant?  You only need to look as far back as Putin as I alluded to.