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« Reply #60 on: November 23, 2016, 11:17:51 am »

I expect that:
Net Neutrality will die
The new overtime rules will be stopped
Pot legalization is done with
Transgendered Rights are done
Gay Rights rules against discrimination are done
We will have trade wars with China and Mexico at least hurting the economy and driving up illegal immigration
We will have some level of mass deportations
The Dream Act is done
Increasing the minimum wage will not happen
Unions will further be diminished by attacks by Federal rules and laws
We will have mass surveillance of Muslims and groups like BLM
Civil rights will be badly eroded by the Justice Department, hate crimes laws will be overturned
Taxes on the wealthy and corporations will go way down
Income inequality will skyrocket
The deficit will grow at an ugly rate
Regulation of banks and Wall Street will be greatly curtailed
The Federal Reserve's independence will end
Millions of people will lose healthcare
healthcare costs will skyrocket
We will be in recession within 18 months
China's claim the South China Sea will be allowed
Global Warming will accelerate to an unstoppable rate of heating


It's very possible:
Roe v Wade will be overturned
Gay Marriage will be overturned
Medicaid will be ended and replaced by state block grants
"Investment" accounts for Social Security will be allowed
NATO may die
Russia may invade the Baltic States and Ukraine without consequences
Legal Immigration will be massively restrained
Native Rights acts will be overturned including casinos and possibly sovereignty
We will enter a depression within 24 months
Trump will be impeached for financial self dealing
Trump will be impeached for sexual crimes
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« Reply #61 on: November 23, 2016, 11:47:13 am »

No. The groups always assimilate. The larger mass pulls them in and we change them, as they change us marginally in their direction. It is inevitable.
I thought my point was clear - this isn't anything new. It is ugly, hateful, and unnecessary. If anything, it is counter productive and encourages the group being persecuted to avoid natives, and thus delay assimilation.

Evidently you weren't clear enough.

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This isn't a real issue. Assimilation is as old as America. There is no reason to believe a 300 year trend will suddenly stop.  People for 300 years have argued that we have to stop the immigrants because they will never assimilate. They were all wrong. You're wrong too.  So don't pretend racism and bigotry is a good thing because it helps bind America together.

You have misread me too.
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« Reply #62 on: November 23, 2016, 11:52:01 am »

I wanted Warren to run and I think she would have won. I think she will run in four years.

I hope the Democratic Party can do better than Warren.

Mr. tell your constituents one thing and vote another Jim Jones would be no better.  My father used to attend Jones' local meetings.
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« Reply #63 on: November 23, 2016, 12:20:31 pm »

Evidently you weren't clear enough.

You have misread me too.

I wasn't trying to accuse you specifically, it was a rhetorical device for anyone who may read the statement.
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« Reply #64 on: November 23, 2016, 12:35:46 pm »

Additionally, even in large countries that are multi-lingual, a dominant language takes hold. See, for example, all of Europe - where over time the nations merged on a common language in spite of most countries having several native tongues.  Also in China, India, Indonesia, the Philippines, Russia and all over Africa. Basically, anywhere people are a common language eventually dominates. Mono-linguistics is a huge weakness for Americans, not a strength. According to most scientific analysis, we are actually held back in many regards because of it (speaking more than one language increases your cognitive abilities such as problem-solving, creativity, and memory).

I don't believe I wrote anywhere that the US should prohibit the learning or speaking of something other than English.  I certainly don't regret learning a bit of German in 5th grade, some Spanish in Jr High, and 4 years of German in High School.  

If you believe we should have more than one "official" language, which ones would you pick?  The obvious addition now in our part of the US would be Spanish but it hasn't always been that way across the USA.  
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« Reply #65 on: November 23, 2016, 12:36:59 pm »

I wasn't trying to accuse you specifically, it was a rhetorical device for anyone who may read the statement.

OK.  I do want to commend you for spelling "you're" correctly though.
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« Reply #66 on: November 23, 2016, 12:40:45 pm »

Shoot, I'm just hoping travel between the new districts will be allowed.

If not, I'm pleased to know that most likely, with Oklahoma's voting record, we won't be part of district 12 or 13.
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« Reply #67 on: November 23, 2016, 12:46:03 pm »

Shoot, I'm just hoping travel between the new districts will be allowed.

If not, I'm pleased to know that most likely, with Oklahoma's voting record, we won't be part of district 12 or 13.

Please save me some time.  I need to go to the airport.  Which districts are 12 and 13?
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« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2016, 12:47:02 pm »

I expect that:
Net Neutrality will die
The new overtime rules will be stopped
Pot legalization is done with
Transgendered Rights are done
Gay Rights rules against discrimination are done
We will have trade wars with China and Mexico at least hurting the economy and driving up illegal immigration
We will have some level of mass deportations
The Dream Act is done
Increasing the minimum wage will not happen
Unions will further be diminished by attacks by Federal rules and laws
We will have mass surveillance of Muslims and groups like BLM
Civil rights will be badly eroded by the Justice Department, hate crimes laws will be overturned
Taxes on the wealthy and corporations will go way down
Income inequality will skyrocket
The deficit will grow at an ugly rate
Regulation of banks and Wall Street will be greatly curtailed
The Federal Reserve's independence will end
Millions of people will lose healthcare
healthcare costs will skyrocket
We will be in recession within 18 months
China's claim the South China Sea will be allowed
Global Warming will accelerate to an unstoppable rate of heating


It's very possible:
Roe v Wade will be overturned
Gay Marriage will be overturned
Medicaid will be ended and replaced by state block grants
"Investment" accounts for Social Security will be allowed
NATO may die
Russia may invade the Baltic States and Ukraine without consequences
Legal Immigration will be massively restrained
Native Rights acts will be overturned including casinos and possibly sovereignty
We will enter a depression within 24 months
Trump will be impeached for financial self dealing
Trump will be impeached for sexual crimes


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« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2016, 12:53:17 pm »

But Obama never said he was going to take anyone's guns away, never appointed anyone with a legacy of trying to take someones guns away, and never took any steps in an attempt to take anyone's guns away.

I believe Obama and many others would like to take away assault looking weapons but realize it isn't going to happen.  How far that may extend to hand guns and regular hunting rifles I don't know.
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« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2016, 01:20:44 pm »

I believe Obama and many others would like to take away assault looking weapons but realize it isn't going to happen.  How far that may extend to hand guns and regular hunting rifles I don't know.

I don't understand the focus on assault rifles. Sure, several high profile crimes involve them but so many more lives have been lost due to handguns, yet no one has proposed limits on them.
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« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2016, 01:32:37 pm »

I don't understand the focus on assault rifles. Sure, several high profile crimes involve them but so many more lives have been lost due to handguns, yet no one has proposed limits on them.

D.C.?

Ironical point. We are completely at liberty to "register" gun owners for the mere ownership of something protected under the constitution. However registering non-citizens for anything other than their nationality is some sort of constitutional crisis.
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« Reply #72 on: November 23, 2016, 02:41:47 pm »

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Short version, almost all of Trump's team want more power to big government, care little for civil liberties, are pro-fake news, advocate conspiracy theories, and are long term power brokers elevated to new heights.
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« Reply #73 on: November 23, 2016, 02:56:44 pm »

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Short version, almost all of Trump's team want more power to big government, care little for civil liberties, are pro-fake news, advocate conspiracy theories, and are long term power brokers elevated to new heights.

Make the swamp great again.
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« Reply #74 on: November 23, 2016, 03:04:32 pm »

I expect that:
Net Neutrality will die- I don’t know enough about this to know if that is good or bad or what it truly is.
The new overtime rules will be stopped-
Pot legalization is done with- Maybe as a national initiative, which needs to happen but here we go again with state’s rights (which is how gay marriage was being done prior to the SCOTUS ruling)
Transgendered Rights are done- Ruled as equal protection with a 5/4 court.  I don’t see this changing.
Gay Rights rules against discrimination are done- Again, equal protection, not going to happen
We will have trade wars with China and Mexico at least hurting the economy and driving up illegal immigration- quite possibly depending on how misguided his trade ideas are or what sort of manufacturing he is thinking we should bring back on shore.
We will have some level of mass deportations- This is bluff and bluster, these are undocumented aliens, we don’t know where many of them are at any given time.  I suspect if he is re-elected to a second term, he will end up doing some sort of Reagan amnesty during second term.  I seriously doubt he will be any more aggressive than Obama on deportations, especially without the cooperation of larger metro areas.
The Dream Act is done Possibly for now
Increasing the minimum wage will not happen Will never happen under any GOP admin, but can be done state by state.  Do note that Obama failed to do this with a Congress in his favor from 2009 to 2011.
Unions will further be diminished by attacks by Federal rules and laws   This does not particularly bother me.  Unions had their place and time, their legacy cushy pension funds brought many companies to the brink of extinction.  Strong unions like UAW aren’t going anywhere though. 
We will have mass surveillance of Muslims and groups like BLM I don’t buy this any more than what the NSA, CIA, FBI already do.  If they have reason to suspect someone is connected to terrorist cells they will watch them.  They don’t have near the manpower to spy on every Muslim in this country.
Civil rights will be badly eroded by the Justice Department, hate crimes laws will be overturned Will never happen.  No reason to.
Taxes on the wealthy and corporations will go way down Lower corporate taxes might result in companies bringing some operations back on-shore and repatriating money into the U.S. economy.  Simply the tax codes which are the true cause of such low effective tax rates on the uber wealthy.
Income inequality will skyrocket Income inequality didn’t improve under Obama. His Council of Economic Advisors makes such claims but they revolve around tax breaks, in increase in the EIC, and people getting subsidies for health insurance via the ACA.  That’s not improving their wage, it’s more subsidy.  I’m optimistic Trump might have economic policies which sees the actual wages of the middle class rise, not a complicated scheme of subsidies.
The deficit will grow at an ugly rate This remains to be seen.  Trump talked good game on attacking debt and the deficit.  Let’s see what he does the first two years with a fairly stable economy.
Regulation of banks and Wall Street will be greatly curtailed Let’s hope not, but do keep in mind every administration is cozy with Wall Street and has been for decades.
The Federal Reserve's independence will end I really don’t see this happening, some of your notions point almost to fascism which is as overused as racism these days. Obama was supposedly a fascist to many.
Millions of people will lose healthcare Millions may be put into some sort of state plan depending on how many insurers can afford to stay on the exchanges in the coming years.  This has less to do with Trump than the cold hard economic realities which too many people ignored in the run up to Obamacare.
healthcare costs will skyrocket They already have thanks to the ACA.  This is a fact.
We will be in recession within 18 months There’s a good chance of this simply due to the cycle, regardless of who would have won
China's claim the South China Sea will be allowed Sorry haven’t really followed this issue
Global Warming will accelerate to an unstoppable rate of heating That makes the assumption that mankind can have absolute control over climate change, it cannot.


It's very possible:
Roe v Wade will be overturned It has survived intact for 43 years and will continue to.  I’ve not seen another case brought to SCOTUS which even remotely had a chance of seeing it overturned.  Not even with the 5/4 conservative-leaning split most recently.
Gay Marriage will be overturned I don’t see this, it’s been ruled Constitutional with that same 5/4 court
Medicaid will be ended and replaced by state block grants There may well be a better way to fund and administer Medicaid, I’m not certain this is a bad thing for states to manage
"Investment" accounts for Social Security will be allowed Pipe dream of the neocons, won’t happen
NATO may die doubtful
Russia may invade the Baltic States and Ukraine without consequences Entirely possible though Putin is not easily predictable
Legal Immigration will be massively restrained I highly doubt this.  Our economy depends on a certain level of immigration.  The channels might become a bit slower for immigrants from certain nations but I don’t see there ever being an outright ban on Muslim immigrants.
Native Rights acts will be overturned including casinos and possibly sovereignty Not going to happen without causing serious unrest and there’s no reason to do this at all
We will enter a depression within 24 months See comment above about recession
Trump will be impeached for financial self dealing I would hope he’s smarter than this
Trump will be impeached for sexual crimes Perhaps we would finally figure out if there’s any veracity to claims against him, we didn’t seem to care when it came to a previous POTUS


Some of your notions ignore checks and balances and the rest seem to indicate you believe Trump could act as a dictator or he would rule through blind rage for all minorities.  I believe you are far more worried than necessary over Trump’s policies.

Anything is certainly possible but let’s keep in mind there is a Congress, Supreme Court, and 300,000,000+ citizens to answer to.
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