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« on: November 03, 2016, 09:46:51 am »

Who owns the IDL's on/off ramps?

They redo parts of the IDL... but not the associated ramps.
They're redoing MLK and Detroit under the IDL... but not the ramps.


The 1st street off-ramp from 75 SB is one that desperately needs work.
The 1st street on-ramp to 244NB is in scary shape as well.

The ramp from 244E-->75N on the NE side of the IDL is in pretty rough shape.
The on-ramp from Detriot to 244E is in shape but not as bad as those above.
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2016, 11:54:51 am »

On-off ramps are under the maintenance of whomever maintains the highway they lead to/from. So for the BA Expressway, the Harvard exit is the problem of the State of Oklahoma and Tulsa County. When you get to large interchanges between highways, I can't answer the question. I'd assume each side takes care of their own "off" ramps and the "on" ramps would then be someone elses problem, but I'm guessing.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2016, 12:51:27 pm »

On-off ramps are under the maintenance of whomever maintains the highway they lead to/from. So for the BA Expressway, the Harvard exit is the problem of the State of Oklahoma and Tulsa County. When you get to large interchanges between highways, I can't answer the question. I'd assume each side takes care of their own "off" ramps and the "on" ramps would then be someone elses problem, but I'm guessing.

East and South leg of the IDL should belong to the federal government, as it's an unsigned interstate highway (I-444).
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2016, 02:10:30 pm »

Sounds like there is no clear demarcation for this since the federal highway was rebuilt, the city street was rebuilt, but the connectors of those were not.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2016, 07:45:05 am »

I spent too much time researching this last night, I can't stand a research project that doesn't reach a conclusion.

It's on the State, with 80% confidence.

Interstates are owned by the States in which they are located. Originally there was a 50% Federal match for cost, that has now risen to 90%, but States retain ownership of the roads. "Interstate" is a designation, not ownership.
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/faq.cfm#question5

This means the interchanges in question would be on the State. But the State can have whatever mechanisms in place it wants, so it could delegate to the City or County under Federal Law.  BUT - I don't see anything in Oklahoma that does that.  Also, ODOT advises of ramp closures and maitnenance on their website... which could just be helpful, but also indicates they are the ones doing the work since they indicate when the work will be done:
https://www.ok.gov/odot/Tulsa_Metro_Construction.html

Now, if you want a NEW interchange - ODOT can make you pay for it. See, .e.g., Jenks buying a new interchange for Simon's new strip mall.

ODOT Spec Book
http://www.okladot.state.ok.us/c_manuals/specbook/oe_ss_2009.pdf

ODOT Tulsa map
http://www.odot.org/maps/state/2015/map_state_2015_inset-tulsa.pdf
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2016, 09:08:49 am »

I spent too much time researching this last night, I can't stand a research project that doesn't reach a conclusion.

It's on the State, with 80% confidence.

Interstates are owned by the States in which they are located. Originally there was a 50% Federal match for cost, that has now risen to 90%, but States retain ownership of the roads. "Interstate" is a designation, not ownership.
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/faq.cfm#question5

This means the interchanges in question would be on the State. But the State can have whatever mechanisms in place it wants, so it could delegate to the City or County under Federal Law.  BUT - I don't see anything in Oklahoma that does that.  Also, ODOT advises of ramp closures and maitnenance on their website... which could just be helpful, but also indicates they are the ones doing the work since they indicate when the work will be done:
https://www.ok.gov/odot/Tulsa_Metro_Construction.html

Now, if you want a NEW interchange - ODOT can make you pay for it. See, .e.g., Jenks buying a new interchange for Simon's new strip mall.

ODOT Spec Book
http://www.okladot.state.ok.us/c_manuals/specbook/oe_ss_2009.pdf

ODOT Tulsa map
http://www.odot.org/maps/state/2015/map_state_2015_inset-tulsa.pdf

Thank you very much!
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