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« on: July 23, 2016, 08:48:55 pm »

I am not a Trump fan but voting for Hilliary is voting for the ''same old thing".  A lot of us here have said shame on us for voting the same old idiots back to office.
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2016, 07:18:10 am »

I am not a Trump fan but voting for Hilliary is voting for the ''same old thing".  A lot of us here have said shame on us for voting the same old idiots back to office.

Short answer.  It's "the devil you know".  An outsider may be a good idea, but Trump is not the answer. 
And for the record, I'm voting Johnson.   It's a symbolic vote here in OK, because Trump is no-doubt going to win, but at least for this election his platform is the one I like the most.  #feelthejohnson

 
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2016, 07:22:21 am »

Every vote here is symbolic.

Johnson ain't that much different in positions than Clinton/Kaine. This is a funny little website. He can't spell "volunteerism" but still enlightening.
http://libertyhangout.org/2016/07/there-is-no-logic-in-voting-for-gary-johnson/
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2016, 07:54:25 am »

Every vote here is symbolic.

Johnson ain't that much different in positions than Clinton/Kaine. This is a funny little website. He can't spell "volunteerism" but still enlightening.
http://libertyhangout.org/2016/07/there-is-no-logic-in-voting-for-gary-johnson/


Agree with you on every vote here being symbolic.  Sad, but true.

Glanced at the site.  First, I actually agree that there is no logic in voting for Johnson (hence the symbolic vote).  If I were in a swing state I wouldn't allow myself that luxury, as above all else Trump should not be president.

But I'm not a "hard Libertarian", and I think there are a lot of practical issues with pure Libertarianism.  Johnson is more old-school-Republican than Libertarian, and that is exactly why I think he's a valid (if not feasible) choice.  The author is (IMHO) confusing a lot of issues because he doesn't think, rightly, that Johnson is a pure Libertarian.  If anyone thinks there is little difference in Hillary (or the Dem platform in general) and Johnson then they aren't honestly looking at the platforms.

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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2016, 08:23:55 am »

I'm probably living in a bubble, but everyone I know is voting for (or expressing interest in) Johnson. 
These people are coming from both sides of the isle. 
Very telling considering he's still virtually unknown. 
I'm guessing that the media may start mentioning his name this week.   

He's a symbolic AND reasonable vote.
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2016, 09:38:44 am »

I am not a Trump fan but voting for Hilliary is voting for the ''same old thing".  A lot of us here have said shame on us for voting the same old idiots back to office.

If only you could replace those idiots with non-idiots, then this line of thinking would be justifiable.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2016, 09:39:54 am »


He's a symbolic AND reasonable vote.

Yep.
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2016, 10:19:23 am »

Okay.  Johnson isn't a pure Libertarian. In fact that party has as much conflict within its ranks as the others. Here are some issues one wing has with the Johnson Libertarian wing. Quotes from my link follow.:

     -Over the course of his campaign, Johnson has stated that Jewish bakers should be forced to make Nazi wedding cakes,
     -that he would continue to federally fund Planned Parenthood, scientific research, green energy, and NASA,
     -that he likes the idea of equal pay for equal work,
     -that he likes the idea of keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill,

     -that he agrees with Bernie Sanders 73% of the time, (you know, the Socialist?)
     - that the free market bankrupted coal,
     -that North Korea is the greatest threat to our national security, that he supports humanitarian wars,
     -that he supports a carbon tax (which is ironically the type of policy responsible for bankrupting coal),

Are you sure this guy isn't a moderate Dem or moderate Repub? So far this is Hillary/Kaine/Sanders stuff.

     -that recessions are caused by consumers getting overheated, (um...more complicated than that, but okay)
     - that he wants the US to remain in the United Nations, (horrors!)
     - that he supports TPP, (so did Obama)
     -that he believes Hillary Clinton is no criminal, (get a rope!)
     - and that he supports a basic, government subsidized income. (Hellow Denmark. Oh well, Alaska does it too)

Okay so he’s not perfect, you’re probably saying. But things only get worse when you take a look at his VP, Bill Weld. As governor of Massachusetts, Bill Weld proposed and supported:
     - some of the strictest gun control measures in the nation,
     -supported the Patriot Act, as well as the Iraq War and Trump style eminent domain.
     -In 2008, Bill Weld endorsed Barack Obama for President, and in 2012 endorsed Mitt Romney.
     -Prior to becoming the Vice Presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party in 2016, Weld wasn’t even supporting his own running mate, but had instead endorsed John Kasich for President. (smart guy. What's he doing with symbolic politics?)

It gets worse if you think these Libertarians represent a different choice:
     -Weld made appearances on local television boasting about his lifelong relationship with Hillary Clinton.
     -He also went on local television and extolled that he has “always been in favor of the universal [Obamacare] mandate.”  (find a tree!)
     -Weld recently stated that he believes a libertarian foreign policy consists of having “superior air power and sea power projected around the world.” (Maybe imperial colonialism will have a rebirth...)     
     -Gary Johnson refers to Bill Weld as “the original libertarian,” as well as his “role model in politics.”

A month ago, Gary Johnson and Bill Weld had the biggest media exposure of their life, appearing on an hour long CNN Town Hall. Gary had the opportunity to open up millions of new minds to the ideas of liberty, but instead said,
     - “We are not espousing the legalization of any drugs outside of marijuana.” When Chris Cuomo pressed him further, saying, “It seems to me that there’s an inconsistency here. Either you think drugs should be legalized or not,” Gary responded with, “Keep the drugs illegal.”
     -Gary Johnson called Hillary Clinton a “wonderful public servant,” and Bill Weld called Barack Obama “statesman like,” and complimented his second presidential term.
     -When asked about their views on gun control, Gary Johnson said, “I don’t think our position would be making it easier. We’re not looking to roll back anything.” Johnson and Weld also doubled down on wanting to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. (the insanity! Arm the mental hospitals now!)

So, yeah. Based on Johnson and Weld's positions, I could vote for them. Or I could vote for the one they emulate.
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2016, 12:03:12 pm »

On Trump, I am a single issue voter.  There is a vast array of things to not want him as President for, but this one sums it all up into one package - goes to the overall lack of character, feeling, empathy, or conscience.  Not to mention extremely low class, no taste - except that bad one in his mouth that gives such a horrible halitosis.  One can only hope that he will get to endure something of that scope and magnitude and have to learn to deal with both the problems of the condition/affliction AND the disgusting reactions from the type of ignorance he has in such abundance.   

Oh, wait...sorry...I forgot about that hair!!  He is in the same situation some kids find themselves - so ugly they have to tie a pork chop around their neck to get the dog to play with them.  In his case, he has to tie a billion dollars around his neck to get a woman next to him....and even that doesn't work forever.  Hence 3 wives.

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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2016, 09:44:43 pm »

Hillary is continuing the policy of Obama which has been a huge success. Easy vote for me.
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2016, 06:44:22 am »

Hillary is continuing the policy of Obama which has been a huge success. Easy vote for me.

Your "white privelidge" is showing. sarc

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/07/23/under_obama_blacks_are_worse_off_--_far_worse_127497.html
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2016, 07:04:35 am »

Hillary is continuing the policy of Obama which has been a huge success. Easy vote for me.

Only if you count GDP, unemployment (halved), total jobs (+10 mil!), the stock market (more than doubled), corporate profits (more than doubled), or real wages (up 4.2%). I guess the trade deficit is down 24% and exports are up 28%. Or, I guess, if you count the decrease military deaths, terror attacks claiming US lives, or deaths of US diplomatic personnel its been pretty good too. All the while killing more terrorists than any world leader in history including more leaders, and of course Osama. Or, perhaps, that the Federal budget has grown at the slowest pace since before Reagan was in office, tax revenues are up, and even the social welfare programs are on more stable ground.  Sure, I guess we have more border security than ever before and the number of deportations and enforcement actions is up too, the total number of new illegal immigrants is down 9%. Then again, I guess you could consider that more people have health insurance than ever before and the annual rise in the cost of health insurance has slowed for the first time in decades. And the fact that our domestic energy supply has hit an all-time high (+87%) and our imports have fallen (-61%). Of course, most of our closet allies and largest world economies have had a dramatic uptick in their favorable views of the USA at the same time (Japan, Italy, France, Britain, etc...). Other than that, thanks for nothing Obama.

Still waiting for him to come for my guns.

(I'd argue not a huge success on real wages, but reversed the trend anyway, also his diplomatic agenda has been a mixed bag, and well, plenty of other stuff to whine about too. And yes, much of that has little to do with the guy who is sitting in the White House - but he'd surely be blamed if it went poorly. The point is if a Republic was in the White House at the moment the conservatives would be howling with pleasure at what a great job he's done.)
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2016, 07:48:58 am »

Only if you count GDP, unemployment (halved), total jobs (+10 mil!), the stock market (more than doubled), corporate profits (more than doubled), or real wages (up 4.2%). I guess the trade deficit is down 24% and exports are up 28%. Or, I guess, if you count the decrease military deaths, terror attacks claiming US lives, or deaths of US diplomatic personnel its been pretty good too. All the while killing more terrorists than any world leader in history including more leaders, and of course Osama. Or, perhaps, that the Federal budget has grown at the slowest pace since before Reagan was in office, tax revenues are up, and even the social welfare programs are on more stable ground.  Sure, I guess we have more border security than ever before and the number of deportations and enforcement actions is up too, the total number of new illegal immigrants is down 9%. Then again, I guess you could consider that more people have health insurance than ever before and the annual rise in the cost of health insurance has slowed for the first time in decades. And the fact that our domestic energy supply has hit an all-time high (+87%) and our imports have fallen (-61%). Of course, most of our closet allies and largest world economies have had a dramatic uptick in their favorable views of the USA at the same time (Japan, Italy, France, Britain, etc...). Other than that, thanks for nothing Obama.

Still waiting for him to come for my guns.

(I'd argue not a huge success on real wages, but reversed the trend anyway, also his diplomatic agenda has been a mixed bag, and well, plenty of other stuff to whine about too. And yes, much of that has little to do with the guy who is sitting in the White House - but he'd surely be blamed if it went poorly. The point is if a Republic was in the White House at the moment the conservatives would be howling with pleasure at what a great job he's done.)

Honestly, I don't think President Obama has any unique characteristics that led to any of that. Outside of deciding to commit less troops and more drones/air strikes, what decision did he make that led to any of thoese things happening?

What he does have is one of the most divisive personalities that is in my opinion is leading to the fracturing of our society. That more than anything is going to be the legacy of this president.
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2016, 08:06:19 am »

Honestly, I don't think President Obama has any unique characteristics that led to any of that. Outside of deciding to commit less troops and more drones/air strikes, what decision did he make that led to any of thoese things happening?

What he does have is one of the most divisive personalities that is in my opinion is leading to the fracturing of our society. That more than anything is going to be the legacy of this president.


And usually you do so well....maybe it's because of your youth that you feel Obama has anything to do with the "fracturing of our society"....  You haven't experienced enough to know that this is just 8 more years of the same stuff of the last 50+ years.  If that is how you form an idea of legacy, then we just need to talk again in 30 years - and after you study some of the history of the 20th century....

His 'decision' that led to those things was to quit doing what the previous regime had done.  That's all it took...

That's like saying Bush had no unique characteristics that led to us going down the insane paths we went through his term - the guy sets the tone from the top.  The buck stops here syndrome....   You may be right - nothing unique about Republicontin approach of giving back to the richest while taking from the poorest.  And this batch is gonna carry on the tradition.

Like war crimes - waterboarding, rendition....  Big on Trumps list!
Lying to the US about things that got us into the wrong war, then not bothering to clean up any of the mess.  Especially Osama...  Killing 4,000+ of our kids and squandering $4 trillion off budget.
Massive increases in budget, and deficit.  While giving his richest buddies the biggest tax cuts in history.
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2016, 08:09:58 am »

Only if you count GDP, unemployment (halved), total jobs (+10 mil!), the stock market (more than doubled), corporate profits (more than doubled), or real wages (up 4.2%). I guess the trade deficit is down 24% and exports are up 28%. Or, I guess, if you count the decrease military deaths, terror attacks claiming US lives, or deaths of US diplomatic personnel its been pretty good too. All the while killing more terrorists than any world leader in history including more leaders, and of course Osama. Or, perhaps, that the Federal budget has grown at the slowest pace since before Reagan was in office, tax revenues are up, and even the social welfare programs are on more stable ground.  Sure, I guess we have more border security than ever before and the number of deportations and enforcement actions is up too, the total number of new illegal immigrants is down 9%. Then again, I guess you could consider that more people have health insurance than ever before and the annual rise in the cost of health insurance has slowed for the first time in decades. And the fact that our domestic energy supply has hit an all-time high (+87%) and our imports have fallen (-61%). Of course, most of our closet allies and largest world economies have had a dramatic uptick in their favorable views of the USA at the same time (Japan, Italy, France, Britain, etc...). Other than that, thanks for nothing Obama.

Still waiting for him to come for my guns.

(I'd argue not a huge success on real wages, but reversed the trend anyway, also his diplomatic agenda has been a mixed bag, and well, plenty of other stuff to whine about too. And yes, much of that has little to do with the guy who is sitting in the White House - but he'd surely be blamed if it went poorly. The point is if a Republic was in the White House at the moment the conservatives would be howling with pleasure at what a great job he's done.)


Nice.  I am gonna plagiarize the hell out of this...at least parts of it....just thought you should know...  Just call me 'Melania'.!!
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