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« Reply #135 on: March 22, 2017, 01:29:32 pm »


-- sidestepping the fact that she "presented" a firearm.  Not pointed, brandished, or even fired, before TPD opened up with a volley.


I'm sure she just wanted some advice from the officers on how to properly clean and oil the handgun.
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« Reply #136 on: March 23, 2017, 09:02:39 am »


Grafton then ran her over.



Belt AND suspenders!

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« Reply #137 on: March 24, 2017, 06:56:05 am »


I knew the penalty for having a firearm in a "firearm free" school zone was harsh, but man....   Who would have thought they would bring down the hammer at 45 mph?

Oh.   And if you pull a gun on cops, you should expect to die.
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« Reply #138 on: March 27, 2017, 07:07:49 pm »

I'm sure she just wanted some advice from the officers on how to properly clean and oil the handgun.

So its curious why the police spokesman chose to describe it that way.
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« Reply #139 on: April 18, 2017, 06:27:51 pm »

Good news:  Soon your family may be able to sue other taxpayers
 if police hold back EMSA or medical aid while you bleed out.

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« Reply #140 on: April 30, 2017, 06:17:00 pm »

“It devalues people when you minimize the importance of their stories,” Lopez said. “You can call them anecdotes, but, for example in the Ferguson case ― when we have an officer writing down in his own report that after he went out and arrested a woman who’d called in on a domestic violence call, and he arrested her for an occupancy permit violation, and she says ‘I’ll never call the police again , even if I’m being killed’ ― that many be an anecdote, but that’s an important story to tell.”
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« Reply #141 on: May 15, 2017, 09:36:28 pm »

Cato Institute: As long as the question is whether the cops can piece together vague excuses to justify their fear as being objectively reasonable, particularly in light of the great deference paid the police by the courts and public, there will be no incentive to not kill when the opportunity presents itself...
They will shoot first, shoot prematurely. They will shoot not because of an actual threat, but because of the fear of a potential threat, a huge step removed. Yet, the ability to craft a viable excuse for fear is all that’s required as a matter of law to protect the cop from culpability for his kill.










https://blog.simplejustice.us/2016/07/30/the-legal-standard-that-must-not-be-named/

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« Reply #142 on: May 16, 2017, 12:11:01 am »

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« Reply #143 on: May 16, 2017, 06:48:15 pm »




FBI data showing drop in police deaths undermines 'war on cops' theory


FBI Confirms 2015 Was One Of The Safest Years Ever For Cops


There is no 'War on Cops'—In fact, it's never been safer to be one

It’s safer than ever to be a cop, so why are they killing more people than ever before?

Trump order won’t make cops safer, but might make it a felony to yell at them


But hey, lets pander to powerful unions ans special interest groups that peddle alternate facts.
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« Reply #144 on: May 16, 2017, 10:56:26 pm »


I am looking at more recent facts...

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(CNN)At least 64 law enforcement officers have been shot and killed this year, the most in five years, according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund.
The 2016 shootings have spanned the nation, from California to Massachusetts.
They've exceeded the annual average of police shooting deaths over the past 10 years, 53. And this year's total is higher than the number of firearms-related police deaths in 2015. According to the fund, firearms were responsible for 41 of 123 officer fatalities in 2015, one of the safest years for officers on record.

The decade's highest total came in 2011, with 73 officers shot dead.
This year's shooting deaths include an officer on her first day on the job and a sheriff's corporal who was about to retire.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/14/us/police-officers-fatal-shooting-line-duty-nationwide/


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Death by gunfire was, once again, the leading cause of death for officers who were killed on duty. A total of 64 officers were killed by gunfire – up from 39 in 2015, according to statistics obtained by Breitbart Texas from the Officer Down Memorial Page (ODMP). This represents an increase of over 60 percent over the prior year.

“The 61 percent increase in law enforcement officers shot and killed in 2016 versus 2015 and a 53 percent overall increase in officers murdered in the performance of duty are deeply troubling statistics,” ODMP Director of Research Steven Weiss told Breitbart Texas. “Included in that statistic is a disturbing increase in officers killed in ‘ambush-style’ murders, such as the incidents in Dallas and Des Moines.”

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/01/01/2016-closes-140-cops-killed-line-duty/

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« Reply #145 on: May 17, 2017, 08:42:36 am »


Try and pass this crap off on Mason Moore’s wife & three children, I’m sure they are thinking about what a safe occupation this is and how Moore probably had it coming to him.  He was a life-long buddy of one of our new friends out here in Cimarron.  My wife and I knew there was something terribly wrong with Byron when he showed up for our Weds. breakfast meeting this morning.

Also note people that the links cited by Vashta are from Daily Koz, HuffPo, Think Progress, and The Guardian.  The piece from the Red Dirt Report is an op-ed with questionable conclusions.

Not every cop gets it right and certainly not every shooting by a cop is justified, but what is with the left’s mission to marginalize those who literally are willing to take a bullet for someone else?

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/crime/deputy-shot-and-killed-near-three-forks-father-and-son/article_ed3f7f9e-7b33-562c-bcc2-cffce03182dd.html

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« Reply #146 on: May 17, 2017, 01:50:52 pm »

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...but what is with the left’s mission to marginalize those who literally are willing to take a bullet for someone else?


This POS would be the first person to call a cop if he was faced with any problem--then of course complain about it.
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« Reply #147 on: May 18, 2017, 06:37:02 pm »

Try and pass this crap off on Mason Moore’s wife & three children, I’m sure they are thinking about what a safe occupation this is and how Moore probably had it coming to him.  He was a life-long buddy of one of our new friends out here in Cimarron.  My wife and I knew there was something terribly wrong with Byron when he showed up for our Weds. breakfast meeting this morning.

Also note people that the links cited by Vashta are from Daily Koz, HuffPo, Think Progress, and The Guardian.  The piece from the Red Dirt Report is an op-ed with questionable conclusions.

Not every cop gets it right and certainly not every shooting by a cop is justified, but what is with the left’s mission to marginalize those who literally are willing to take a bullet for someone else?

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/crime/deputy-shot-and-killed-near-three-forks-father-and-son/article_ed3f7f9e-7b33-562c-bcc2-cffce03182dd.html


I am sorry you lost a friend, and I can see why your response is such an emotional one.

"He had it coming" or "he caused his own death" are common rationalizations in almost every homicide committed by police, but nowhere in those articles did I see anything remotely similar to your claim with regard to homicides of police.

Those numbers come from the FBI.  If you dispute them, that's the direction you should be shaking your finger.
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