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Vashta Nerada
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« Reply #60 on: October 22, 2016, 03:21:34 pm »

Tulsa police killed its sixth person sofar this year. 
#6 was a homeless man shot in the back, #5 was a man killed by a sniper while holding a baby.
Dont know who is winning the war but sure can tell who is loosing.

And where's dashcam videos?  At the lab being "enhanced"?

TPD's "transparency" only happens when its convenient to their goals. The quick release of select videos of the Crutcher killing (#4) ended up being too quick because the videos they chose contradicted a key defense claim.

Looking at a witness cellphone video of homeless man shot in the middle of Utica Ave., the single Taser deployment seems cosmetic and half-hearted, as if they were trying to pacify complaints that TPD are too eager to use deadly force when other options are available.
"Oh I missed, now ill use my gun"
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« Reply #61 on: October 22, 2016, 11:33:11 pm »

Another dingle berry on PCP on the ground....Good work....
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« Reply #62 on: October 23, 2016, 12:25:03 pm »

Well no its 7 if you count Taser deaths, which makes it 10.6% of Tulsa's homicides.  Deaths from car chases are counted separate.
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« Reply #63 on: October 23, 2016, 06:14:57 pm »

You can't morally justify a shooting person to death over a knife by the police. There has to be a better option.
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« Reply #64 on: October 23, 2016, 06:33:03 pm »

Another dingle berry on PCP on the ground....Good work....
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Someone's child, brother, uncle. A human being in the throes of addiction. But that's, right, just shoot him. Good work. Phillipines need cops like that.
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« Reply #65 on: October 23, 2016, 06:42:56 pm »


Someone's child, brother, uncle. A human being in the throes of addiction.

Amen.
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« Reply #66 on: October 24, 2016, 09:26:48 am »

Another dingle berry on PCP on the ground....Good work....


Wait til it happens to you or yours....then let the whining begin...


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« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2016, 07:04:40 pm »


Someone's child, brother, uncle. A human being in the throes of addiction. But that's, right, just shoot him. Good work. Phillipines need cops like that.




Still no dash cams from the multiple police vehicles there.  Waiting to see how many cellphone videos emerge before deciding on an official story?
Apparently the victim owned a pocket knife but it was still folded when he was killed.    Yet "He had a knife" half-truth makes TV.

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« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2016, 07:47:51 pm »

You can't morally justify a shooting person to death over a knife by the police. There has to be a better option.

A knife can penetrate a ballistic vest.

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« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2016, 08:12:08 pm »

A knife can penetrate a ballistic vest.



A shot away from vital organs stops that.
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« Reply #70 on: October 25, 2016, 05:35:55 am »

The training calls for shooting at the center of mass. Why? Because adrenaline kicks in and fine motor control goes away. An arm or leg is a difficult target in such conditions especially in motion. This is also why some departments specify fairly heavy trigger pulls despite the detrimental effect on accuracy. It prevents some accidental discharges.

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« Reply #71 on: October 25, 2016, 07:44:36 am »

This ain't Dirty Hairy guys. If they are going to pull the trigger the intent is to kill. Ed W correctly states that the aim is always at the center of mass in case of errant aim. Sometimes a second chance isn't an option.
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« Reply #72 on: October 25, 2016, 09:49:58 am »

Its Dirty Harry, not hairy. Shoot to kill is great for soldiers like when they shot four unarmed students in Kent State. That's their training. If we go that route then disband the Police departments and increase the military presence. Sound inviting to anyone? And, Dirty Harry was alone without backup. A guy with a pocket knife surrounded by heavily armed cops seems more like an assassination than protecting the public. Shoot to kill is stupid advice. Shoot to hit your target is better advice. Most cops miss their targets entirely unless they are walking with their arms up or seriously drugged up.
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« Reply #73 on: October 25, 2016, 10:39:12 am »

A guy with a pocket knife surrounded by heavily armed cops seems more like an assassination than protecting the public. Shoot to kill is stupid advice. Shoot to hit your target is better advice. Most cops miss their targets entirely unless they are walking with their arms up or seriously drugged up.

Does the claim that two officers fired (and missed) with Tasers still stand? 
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« Reply #74 on: October 25, 2016, 10:48:45 am »

Its not like our cops can't shoot straight. Its just that shooting during high stress, high distraction environments causes lots of mistakes. Training helps, especially with plausible defenses, but the accuracy outcomes are just not that good for police in general. The guns are last resort tactics.
 Or should be.
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