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« Reply #75 on: July 08, 2016, 11:02:03 am »


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« Reply #76 on: July 08, 2016, 06:50:10 pm »

I have to agree with the moderator on this one.  TN wasn't formed to discuss police beatings.  It was formed to discuss Tulsa Centric subjects, specifically development.

Some folks go overboard and in that case...enough is enough.  We get it...some cops do bad things...I'm not logging on here to be reminded of it day after day.



Well we're sure going to miss the "Sports talk," "Entertainment," "Chat and Advice" and "Restaurant Reviews" that arent part of the TulsaNow Forum mission.



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« Reply #77 on: July 08, 2016, 10:48:20 pm »

Let's be clear. This is not a publicly owned site. It's private property and we use it by permission. Tulsa Now would be within their rights if they insisted the only permissible subject was neutered, left-handed Tom cats. When you play in someone's sand box, it's best to play by their rules.
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« Reply #78 on: July 08, 2016, 11:26:46 pm »

Plus the locking of the other thread had more to do with how many posts, there are already threads for police misconduct, there are other topics for other incidents. No point in flooding the forum with new topics every time, when updating current ones works just fine.

I'll just leave this here.

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« Reply #79 on: July 09, 2016, 06:33:42 am »


OMG you too?!  It's my favorite thing to do!

sarcasm off...

Ok, what were you doing that it even remotely occurred to you to google that?
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« Reply #80 on: July 09, 2016, 12:59:32 pm »

I cant see how some people laugh at this discussion.  Very disrespectful.

I am against police brutality.
I am against the killing of cops.
These are not contradictory.

When you attack random members of a large group (be it police, Muslums etc.) because of the bad actions of the few, you empower the few to escallate their behavior because they can hide behind their new victim status.

Wash, rinse, repeat.  The cycle continues.
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« Reply #81 on: July 09, 2016, 01:42:30 pm »

In this case it serves to focus on the failure of police training, the fallacy of some pro gun arguments, (specifically how everyone being armed in this case would have lessened the death toll) and a serious examination of what decades of war and declining education have done to the psyche of our population. We have problems with race, gender, anger, religion and income inequality in our country. That doesn't diminish our greatness. Recognition of these problems and addressing them is what makes us great.
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« Reply #82 on: July 09, 2016, 03:21:59 pm »

In this case it serves to focus on the failure of police training, the fallacy of some pro gun arguments, (specifically how everyone being armed in this case would have lessened the death toll) and a serious examination of what decades of war and declining education have done to the psyche of our population. We have problems with race, gender, anger, religion and income inequality in our country. That doesn't diminish our greatness. Recognition of these problems and addressing them is what makes us great.




Prosecutors and judges have given their blessing to deadly force whenever there is only a a "perception" of a threat, so when police are daily bombarded with the unions' "Soldier they are all out to get you so do whatever you have to do to make it home alive" brainwashing then what do you think the outcome is?

The there's Chief Jordan saying "Im a target just because I wear this uniform."


But the truth, according to statistics, is that it’s not any more dangerous to be a cop now than it has been in years past. In fact, 2015 is on pace to have near-record low levels of deadly violence against police.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-police-reform_us_56002672e4b0fde8b0cefcdd

 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/07/08/police-safeguards-dallas-shootings/86847240/


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« Reply #83 on: July 10, 2016, 09:18:41 pm »

OMG you too?!  It's my favorite thing to do!

sarcasm off...

Ok, what were you doing that it even remotely occurred to you to google that?


Kinda scary isn't it??   It was like someone was crawling around in my head....!!
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« Reply #84 on: July 10, 2016, 11:03:38 pm »

In this case it serves to focus on the failure of police training, the fallacy of some pro gun arguments, (specifically how everyone being armed in this case would have lessened the death toll)

Apparently the Minnesota man killed in the live-streamed traffic stop's fatal mistake was telling the officer he had a legal conceal carry.   Its a no-win.
http://www.startribune.com/philando-castile-had-permit-to-carry-gun/386054481/
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« Reply #85 on: July 10, 2016, 11:16:11 pm »

Apparently the Minnesota man killed in the live-streamed traffic stop's fatal mistake was telling the officer he had a legal conceal carry.   Its a no-win.
http://www.startribune.com/philando-castile-had-permit-to-carry-gun/386054481/


Catch 22. 
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« Reply #86 on: July 11, 2016, 09:13:49 am »




Prosecutors and judges have given their blessing to deadly force whenever there is only a a "perception" of a threat, so when police are daily bombarded with the unions' "Soldier they are all out to get you so do whatever you have to do to make it home alive" brainwashing then what do you think the outcome is?

The there's Chief Jordan saying "Im a target just because I wear this uniform."


But the truth, according to statistics, is that it’s not any more dangerous to be a cop now than it has been in years past. In fact, 2015 is on pace to have near-record low levels of deadly violence against police.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-police-reform_us_56002672e4b0fde8b0cefcdd

 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/07/08/police-safeguards-dallas-shootings/86847240/




Just playing Devil's advocate, but I'm seeing a potential cause and effect here.
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« Reply #87 on: July 11, 2016, 12:21:31 pm »

Out of the box solution.

New Police Academy for those that "want to make a difference" in how police do their jobs. We'll even deploy them to the neighborhood of their choosing.
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« Reply #88 on: July 11, 2016, 02:02:23 pm »


New Police Academy for those that "want to make a difference" in how police do their jobs. We'll even deploy them to the neighborhood of their choosing.

I believe most have that intention but just get swallowed up by the culture.   A residency requirement might still be worthwhile.
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« Reply #89 on: July 11, 2016, 07:44:29 pm »

The rate at which whites are killed by cops in this country is astounding. Dozens of times worse than other developed countries.

And the rate that blacks are killed by cops is double that of whites.

And the rates Native Americans and the mentally ill are killed is even worse then blacks.

Put this in perspective. Last year in Oklahoma 28 people were killed by cops. 12 of them were black, when blacks are less than 10% of the population.

Oklahoma has 4 million people. Germany has 80 million people, 20x the population of Oklahoma and in the last five years German cops have killed 31 people. Oklahoma's cop kill rate is 80 times that of Germany, and our kill rate of blacks is 10 times higher than the overall population. 800 times higher than Germany. 800 Times!!!.

We have a very serious problem and race is an important factor, but even that aside, something is very, very wrong with how police act in this country.
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