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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2018, 10:34:20 am »

ICE plays the victim card:

Portland mayor’s office violated the US Constitution by telling police not to interfere with a protest against federal
immigration policies, a letter sent by their union said.

For over five weeks since mid-June people in Portland have been protesting against the US Immigration and Customs
Enforcement (ICE). City authorities refused to get involved, with Mayor Ted Wheeler, who also serves as police
commissioner, saying his officers will not be “sucked into a conflict" and "bailout" ICE, an agency that he believed was
"on the wrong track". At the peak of the protest the immigration agency’s local office was shut down. The protest finally
ended on July 25, with the police later clearing the protesters’ camp.

https://www.rt.com/usa/434715-ice-portland-police-constitution/


Ted Wheeler is an idiot. He's turned Portland into a homeless camp, want to build housing for the homeless that costs more than the average apartment, wants to ban plastic straws. Here is a podcast and an article about the village idiot.

https://www.opb.org/news/article/opb-politics-now-ted-wheelers-big-problem/

https://www.oregonlive.com/expo/news/erry-2018/07/63527cd9c76678/excerpts-of-portland-mayor-ted.html

http://www.wweek.com/news/city/2018/05/16/affordable-housing-developers-face-rising-costs-mayor-ted-wheeler-isnt-plugging-the-hole/

https://www.portlandoregon.gov/wheeler/article/682231

http://www.wweek.com/news/city/2017/09/27/mayor-ted-wheeler-doubles-down-on-his-promise-to-create-shelter-beds/
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2018, 11:33:50 am »

Ted Wheeler is an idiot. He's turned Portland into a homeless camp, want to build housing for the homeless that costs more than the average apartment, wants to ban plastic straws. Here is a podcast and an article about the village idiot.

I dont doubt he's motivated by some idealistic (and sometimes unrealistic) visions, but ICE was expecting the local police to be the muscle for fights they pick.  As a mayor, his responsibility is to his city.
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2018, 04:33:20 pm »



That's what Portland wants.  Still doesn't address the topic of ICE and their unreasonable expectations that local governments should take up the burden and do the work of what is clearly, by definition, a Federal job.


Also doesn't answer the question of 'Why should we keep ICE??'

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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2018, 09:27:03 am »


That's what Portland wants.  Still doesn't address the topic of ICE and their unreasonable expectations that local governments should take up the burden and do the work of what is clearly, by definition, a Federal job.


Also doesn't answer the question of 'Why should we keep ICE??'



No ICE shouldn't be abolished. In a larger way it's still doing the job it's supposed to in dealing with gangs a drugs illegally entering the country. What I think should happen is all the panty waisted idiots in DC that keep getting elected based on lies, like immigration reform that's been kicked down the road since Bush Sr. was VP, get off their a$$3$ and quit complaining and bellyaching and forming committees to do investigations that are nothing more than busy work to keep them in office.

So now, go ahead and insert your usual liberal Juan Williams contrarian drivel that you repeat. You sound like the instructions on a bottle of shampoo, "Wash, rinse, repeat".
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2018, 02:35:07 pm »

No ICE shouldn't be abolished. In a larger way it's still doing the job it's supposed to in dealing with gangs a drugs illegally entering the country. What I think should happen is all the panty waisted idiots in DC that keep getting elected based on lies, like immigration reform that's been kicked down the road since Bush Sr. was VP, get off their a$$3$ and quit complaining and bellyaching and forming committees to do investigations that are nothing more than busy work to keep them in office.

So now, go ahead and insert your usual liberal Juan Williams contrarian drivel that you repeat. You sound like the instructions on a bottle of shampoo, "Wash, rinse, repeat".


By any measure, it has NOT done the job that it was "created" for...and even more so when you consider the extra money spent over the way it was done before.  No drugs are being kept out of the country in any way more than previously done.

"What I think should happen is all the panty waisted idiots in DC..."     Notice how it has been mostly Republicans since the 90's.  

And it has ALWAYS been Republicans resisting any kind of 'fix' to the so-called immigration problem.    As mentioned before, a solution has been available since the 1950's in the form of H visas.  H2 in particular addresses temporary visiting workers very well.   So why is it there is no enforcement action against companies who use the "wink and a nod" approach with the Federal govt to NOT use that program?   Because they would have to pay the minimum wage.  They would be required to provide sanitary facilities, like porta-johns and a hand wash station for workers to use, and a 5 minute break from time to time to let them take a leak.  And that would raise the cost of your avocado's a fraction of a penny.

In other words, they would have to obey the law, like so many are demanding of poor people who come here at the direct invitation of the "wink and nod" guys.  But it is always easier to be cruel to poor people who can't afford lawyers to fight back...


And ICE, under Trump and Sessions direct control, are still breaking Federal law, like they have for months now.   There are still hundreds of kids being detained WAY beyond the 20 day law requirement, and not being reunited with their parents in direct contradiction to a court order.  

But that's ok with the Minions...it's just the kind of immoral, illegal, action that they condone, excuse, and expect from Trump.

So, yeah, if you believe in not having rule of law, are willing to excuse any kind of aberrant behavior, and just revel in the swamp that is the Trump regime, you are right - we should keep ICE.  Otherwise, it should be abolished and functions returned where they came from.



"So now, go ahead and insert your usual liberal Juan Williams contrarian drivel that you repeat. You sound like the instructions on a bottle of shampoo, "Wash, rinse, repeat".


Aww..."plaintive-bleat-of-the-tragically-hip" time once again...
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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2018, 02:41:55 pm »

Oh, almost forgot... did you remember to take your photo ID to buy groceries last time...??   Would be a shame if you were turned away for that one tiny misstep....


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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2018, 04:46:06 pm »

Oh, almost forgot... did you remember to take your photo ID to buy groceries last time...??   Would be a shame if you were turned away for that one tiny misstep....




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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2018, 05:22:55 pm »

Oh, almost forgot... did you remember to take your photo ID to buy groceries last time...??   Would be a shame if you were turned away for that one tiny misstep....




Awww, bless your little Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez socialist loving heart. How's Venezuela treating you?
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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2018, 08:06:04 am »

I dont doubt he's motivated by some idealistic (and sometimes unrealistic) visions, but ICE was expecting the local police to be the muscle for fights they pick.  As a mayor, his responsibility is to his city.

In effect, ICE expects local law enforcement and local tax payers to pick up the tab for federal law enforcement. That alone should be sufficient reason to prevent city LEOs from doing a federal job.
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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2018, 08:26:41 am »

Awww, bless your little Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez socialist loving heart. How's Venezuela treating you?


Awww...how cute...!!   More plaintive bleat rather than substantive comment...  How's Fake Fox News treating you??   Like they do the rest of the country - like a baby treats a diaper...!


So, in reply to my post, you give your implicit approval to ongoing lack of enforcement of visa law.  As well as several other Federal laws regarding treatment of minors.   Really am curious how the extremist right balances all the noise of wrapping themselves in morality and the Shroud while their conscience somehow rationalizes all these immoral, illegal actions.  Actually, I probably don't wanna see that process - it would probably be too much like a "Doors" song...




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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2018, 10:16:46 am »

The combative White House chief of staff erupted in an expletive-ridden rant and nearly got into a “fistfight” after President Trump invited an immigration hawk to the Oval Office whom Kelly had butted heads with while at the Department of Homeland Security, according to Bob Woodward’s new book.

“I can’t believe you’d let some f--king guy like this into the Oval Office,” Kelly shouted at Trump after strolling into the historic room in November 2017 to find Chris Crane, the head of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement union.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-kelly-fistfight-oval-ice-trump-20180906-story.html


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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2018, 10:41:57 am »

“I can’t believe you’d let some f--king guy like this into the Oval Office,” Kelly shouted

I've said the same thing about the electoral college
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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2018, 10:48:00 am »

I've said the same thing about the electoral college

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« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2018, 09:59:28 am »

Washington (CNN) Federal officers have arrested dozens of undocumented immigrants who came forward to take care of undocumented immigrant children in government custody, and the Trump administration is pledging to go after more.
The news will serve as confirmation of the worst fears of immigrants and their advocates: that a recent move by President Donald Trump's administration to more fully vet people who come forward to care for undocumented immigrant children who are alone in the US has been a way for the administration to track down and arrest more undocumented immigrants.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/20/politics/ice-arrested-immigrants-sponsor-children/index.html


Border Patrol Agent Who Admitted To Killing 4 Women And Kidnapping Another May Have Had More Victims
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/border-patrol-agent-killings-kidnapping_us_5ba0e0d1e4b013b0977f1bd1

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« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2018, 06:02:29 pm »

Washington (CNN) Federal officers have arrested dozens of undocumented immigrants who came forward to take care of undocumented immigrant children in government custody, and the Trump administration is pledging to go after more.
The news will serve as confirmation of the worst fears of immigrants and their advocates: that a recent move by President Donald Trump's administration to more fully vet people who come forward to care for undocumented immigrant children who are alone in the US has been a way for the administration to track down and arrest more undocumented immigrants.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/20/politics/ice-arrested-immigrants-sponsor-children/index.html


Border Patrol Agent Who Admitted To Killing 4 Women And Kidnapping Another May Have Had More Victims
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/border-patrol-agent-killings-kidnapping_us_5ba0e0d1e4b013b0977f1bd1




And yet, the Minions are still just fine with the ongoing breaking of Federal law.  And since they make no noise of protest, they are condoning the beating, molestation, and deaths of these kids.  But that is only what one would expect....

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