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« on: January 10, 2015, 07:36:29 pm »



On the bottom floor of the United States Capitol’s new underground visitors’ center, there is a secure room where the House Intelligence Committee maintains highly classified files. One of those files is titled “Finding, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters.” It is twenty-eight pages long. In 2002, the Administration of George W. Bush excised those pages from the report of the Joint Congressional Inquiry into the 9/11 attacks. President Bush said then that publication of that section of the report would damage American intelligence operations, revealing “sources and methods that would make it harder for us to win the war on terror.”

“There’s nothing in it about national security,” Walter Jones, a Republican congressman from North Carolina who has read the missing pages, contends. “It’s about the Bush Administration and its relationship with the Saudis.” Stephen Lynch, a Massachusetts Democrat, told me that the document is “stunning in its clarity,” and that it offers direct evidence of complicity on the part of certain Saudi individuals and entities in Al Qaeda’s attack on America.


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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2016, 06:44:23 pm »

WASHINGTON — Saudi Arabia has told the Obama administration and members of Congress that it will sell off hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of American assets held by the kingdom if Congress passes a bill that would allow the Saudi government to be held responsible in American courts for any role in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The (Obama) administration, which argues that the legislation would put Americans at legal risk overseas, has been lobbying so intently against the bill that some lawmakers and families of Sept. 11 victims are infuriated. In their view, the Obama administration has consistently sided with the kingdom and has thwarted their efforts to learn what they believe to be the truth about the role some Saudi officials played in the terrorist plot.

“It’s stunning to think that our government would back the Saudis over its own citizens,” said Mindy Kleinberg, whose husband died in the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 and who is part of a group of victims’ family members pushing for the legislation.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-warns-ofeconomic-fallout-if-congress-passes-9-11-bill.html

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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2016, 07:40:30 am »

I can understand the Bush administration fighting to keep them off limits. They would appear to be culpable. Obama is in the position of covering for them since the inflammatory nature of the information puts even more Americans at risk. I would expect the next president to do the same. Oh what a tangled web we weave...
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2016, 11:54:16 am »

I can understand the Bush administration fighting to keep them off limits. They would appear to be culpable. Obama is in the position of covering for them since the inflammatory nature of the information puts even more Americans at risk. I would expect the next president to do the same. Oh what a tangled web we weave...

We would be calling them terrorists if we weren't calling them allies.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2016, 12:44:14 pm »

The Saudis are reacting exactly the way I would expect them to. If we decide to wipe away their sovereign immunity they HAVE to unload their US based assets as fast as possible to protect their own interests. What would you expect them to do?

And guess what comes next! The middle eastern countries begin wiping away US immunity for the people we drop bombs on and may have accidentally killed or tortured over the last 15 years.  I'm not saying we were more wrong than we were right... but my opinion doesn't matter at all in a Saudi/Iraqi/Kuwaiti/Palestinian/Qatari/Yemenis Court.

Were the Saudis responsible for 911? No. Is the Saudi Royal family more sympathetic with Jihadis than we are? Absolutely. Those guys are walking a tightrope keeping a country together with handouts that has as many extremists as anywhere else. I'm sure elements of the Royals ARE extremists. Bush may have suppressed the report for responsible reasons, not just CYA. If the populace was pissed at Saudi Arabia more than they already were, we would have lost our #1 ally in the region (yes, yes... Israel is a great ally. But not really capable of helping in the same way as Saudi Arabia) and things would have unraveled even further.

We are far better off with a despot in control than trying to "democrify" the middle east. Popular control ended badly in Iran, Iraq, and Egypt. Why would we want to upset the status quo in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Qatar, or anywhere else?

The House of Saud is not a natural ally. They do things that are intolerable to our set of values. But their interest align with ours more often than not - a stable Middle East with a tempered Iran. In global politics you pick allies based on shared interests, not shared values (see, e.g., Allies and Russia vs. Nazis).

But you're damn right, if they weren't allies - they'd be despotic extremists criminals oppressing women and murdering their own citizens.
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2016, 09:01:56 am »

Who was it that warned us "to avoid entangling foreign alliances". I think it was Washington. Good advice but entirely un-avoidable.

That was a well thought out reply Cannon, but it is quite troubling to consider that the conservative leadership, including our current republican candidates, don't seem to have this grasp of reality.
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2016, 03:15:28 pm »

Huffington Post isnt holding back (surprise, surprise)

First and foremost, here is what you need to know when you listen to any member of our government state that the newly released 29 pages are no smoking gun — THEY ARE LYING.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristen-breitweiser/29-pages-revealed-corrupt_b_11033068.html
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