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« Reply #165 on: September 10, 2014, 09:39:39 pm »

I wonder why Simon is already breaking ground for the outlet mall at 61st & Hwy 75 then?   Grin
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« Reply #166 on: September 15, 2014, 07:33:31 am »

I drove 61st yesterday at the 75 access and Conan is right...this intersection can't handle much additional traffic in its current state. The 90 degree turn from 61st to Elwood is already dangerous enough without mixing bargain hunters and trail users. If the outlet mall does take over this plot major infrastructure improvements are needed.
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« Reply #167 on: September 15, 2014, 10:23:51 am »

My money would be on the Cherokee version to have the best chance of success.  Good location for Joplin-NWA shoppers and there is likely to be some significant overlap between gamblers, fans of aging rock groups, and outlet shoppers.  My biggest fear now is that one will succeed and the other two will be creepy ghost towns.
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« Reply #168 on: September 15, 2014, 10:44:20 am »

My money would be on the Cherokee version to have the best chance of success.  Good location for Joplin-NWA shoppers and there is likely to be some significant overlap between gamblers, fans of aging rock groups, and outlet shoppers.  My biggest fear now is that one will succeed and the other two will be creepy ghost towns.

Kind of off topic, so I apologize, but it's a bit upsetting that the Cherokee's plan includes ripping up part of the golf course.  I realize it doesn't get the acclaim it once did, but that golf course is Perry Maxwell design from 1924.  Maxwell was a partner with Alister MacKenzie, one of the most famous golf course architects of all time, and designer of Augusta National.   Maxwell also did Southern Hills and Mohawk Park.   The Hard Rock course (ne'e Indian Hills Country Club) has an amazing pedigree, is a classic layout, and if cleaned up and restored would  be a great destination course.  Too bad the Cherokee's don't see the value in keeping the course alive.



 
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« Reply #169 on: September 15, 2014, 11:38:41 am »

Too bad the Cherokee's don't see the value in keeping the course alive.

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« Reply #170 on: September 15, 2014, 11:57:46 am »

From what I read, they are relocating/redesigning 6 holes of the course.

 I don't think they have any intention of getting rid of it.
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« Reply #171 on: September 15, 2014, 12:02:50 pm »

From what I read, they are relocating/redesigning 6 holes of the course.

 I don't think they have any intention of getting rid of it.

I saw that.  But it doesn't really do much good to say "2/3 thirds of this course is a classic Perry Maxwell design". 
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« Reply #172 on: September 15, 2014, 12:09:07 pm »

Kind of off topic, so I apologize, but it's a bit upsetting that the Cherokee's plan includes ripping up part of the golf course.  I realize it doesn't get the acclaim it once did, but that golf course is Perry Maxwell design from 1924.  Maxwell was a partner with Alister MacKenzie, one of the most famous golf course architects of all time, and designer of Augusta National.   Maxwell also did Southern Hills and Mohawk Park.   The Hard Rock course (ne'e Indian Hills Country Club) has an amazing pedigree, is a classic layout, and if cleaned up and restored would  be a great destination course.  Too bad the Cherokee's don't see the value in keeping the course alive.



 

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« Reply #173 on: October 20, 2014, 10:07:29 am »

Another outlet mall planned for east Tulsa

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/another-outlet-mall-planned-for-east-tulsa/article_c9075f67-f23e-5f91-9f87-45af3bb0373e.html

BY LAURIE WINSLOW World Business Writer

Horizon Group Properties announced it will go ahead with plans to build an upscale, deco-style mall in east Tulsa.

Details of the outlet mall will be unveiled during a press conference Wednesday at Tulsa City Hall.

Michigan-based Horizon Group Properties is the developer of the Shoppes at OKC as well as 11 retail developments throughout the United States.

The future retail development will feature 90 stores and will open in 2017. In addition to the outlet mall, the plan includes 355,000 square foot of gross leasable land for restaurants, hotels and additional retail operations development.

The Horizon announcement follows recent plans by the Cherokee Nation to build an east Tulsa outlet mall and by Simon Properties to build one in west Tulsa.
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« Reply #174 on: October 20, 2014, 10:12:53 am »

I thought this latest one was actually the first announced?  Same group as the OKC mall.  I remember something about that a long time ago.  Or am I taking crazy pills.
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« Reply #175 on: October 20, 2014, 10:18:23 am »

I thought this latest one was actually the first announced?  Same group as the OKC mall.  I remember something about that a long time ago.  Or am I taking crazy pills.

You are correct.  This is the first one.  I guess they are just confirming that they are still going forward.
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« Reply #176 on: October 20, 2014, 11:01:40 am »

You are correct.  This is the first one.  I guess they are just confirming that they are still going forward.

I know Simon had sent their PUD paperwork to INCOG two weeks ago, but still interested to see if it moves forward with the competition in east Tulsa.

Of greater interest is the developer of the Cherokee project considers Simon to be a development partner on other projects.  Kind of an odd way to treat a partner.
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« Reply #177 on: October 20, 2014, 11:24:41 am »

I know Simon had sent their PUD paperwork to INCOG two weeks ago, but still interested to see if it moves forward with the competition in east Tulsa.

Of greater interest is the developer of the Cherokee project considers Simon to be a development partner on other projects.  Kind of an odd way to treat a partner.

As I recall the Horizon group was asking for a TIF.  There is no mention of this in the article and I wonder if they've dropped that condition in order to move the project forward more quickly. 

It looks like a 3-way race to see who can line up enough tenant commitments to justify breaking ground.  I can't see all 3 getting built (especially given the proximity of the Horizon project to the Cherokee project) and realistically only 1 will likely happen.
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« Reply #178 on: October 20, 2014, 12:03:45 pm »

I'm guessing one will go forward and end up as a Life Church.
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« Reply #179 on: December 05, 2014, 01:16:22 pm »

An Official Announcement Is Made on a Planned Outlet Mall in West Tulsa

http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/official-announcement-made-planned-outlet-mall-west-tulsa



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Developers of one of the three outlet malls planned for Tulsa announce some details. Tulsa Premium Outlets is the only one of the three being built on the west side, at Highway 75 and 61st Street. Simon, the developer of Woodland Hills Mall, is behind this project. Company Exec Mark Silvestri says shops will be up-scale, but he isn’t ready to name any prospects yet. The 400-thousand square foot shopping mall will be built in two phases.

There are two other outlet malls being planned for East Tulsa. Most observers believe there may be opportunity for two outlet malls in the Tulsa area, but not three.
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