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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2013, 10:12:25 am »

Or maybe Walking While intoxicated. Make it similar to driving.

Either way, if it would be a money maker, we would already have it on the books.



Wait. Are you guys saying that the drunk buses, limo's, cabs and bar provided transportation, can be stopped for public drunk? Either as they enter/exit the vehicle or as they ride? It sounds like the officers have plenty of discretion. That would imply that the drivers also are at risk since they aided and abetted.
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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2013, 11:41:05 am »

Wait. Are you guys saying that the drunk buses, limo's, cabs and bar provided transportation, can be stopped for public drunk? Either as they enter/exit the vehicle or as they ride? It sounds like the officers have plenty of discretion. That would imply that the drivers also are at risk since they aided and abetted.

I used to work for Larry Schaeffer when he still had the Cains, and recall the story where TPD stopped the cab taking him home to arrest him for public drunk.

Red Arrow's citation pretty much summed it up: "there is no set BAC standard, and there is no scientific or objective measurement involved with what leads to a charge of DWI in Oklahoma" which is also true of "Public Intoxication."  It's a matter of  "I'm a trained professional and I say you are public drunk" where the Smoots are in charge of the training.

In some places it's even legal to lure someone out of their home for the purpose of arresting them for public drunk:  http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2013/11/fullerton_police.php

Tipsy Tow is still a good thing, as are designated drivers, but if you find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time you could still get vacuumed up.
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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2013, 11:41:40 am »

You can get a public intox and not be under the influence of anything......
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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2013, 12:07:51 pm »

How bout "don't get drunk" in the first place?  Study after study shows that drinking in moderation can be a part of a healthy lifestyle, and binge drinking/over drinking is really really bad for your health.  In an ideal world this wouldn't be regulated by law, but by society and culture.  Kind of like poor eating habits/over eating which kills more people in Oklahoma than alcohol.  Course here we can't seem to manage that either.

One of the cornerstones of Sociology is that "All human behaviors are learned."  Its interesting to stand back and look at what is learned here, how we teach it, and how it contrasts to other societies around the world and through time.  A woman doesn't have to be completely covered up here without worrying that every man around here will suddenly be whipped into a sexual frenzy if she shows here ankles and face, or that she is "asking to be raped" or deserves it if she does.  But mention alcohol and often the immediate association isn't most often associated with say, having a glass of wine with a meal, but with getting drunk at a club or party.  We have created a society that manages some things quite well, and others very poorly.  All you have to do is listen to how people talk about drinking here to see how we are where we are,,, and also see how all it would take is a change in attitudes to change our lives and outcomes.  We don't accept jokes about women being sexually harassed or even raped, we also shouldn't laugh at people getting drunk or accept jokes about it, as one for instance.  You listen to people complain about ABLE laws on the one hand, then turn right around and say or do something that actually helps create the situation/culture/society where it's understandable that others might feel there is a need for those laws, or at least does nothing to create a situation whereby the laws would seem less necessary.  
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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2013, 12:27:50 pm »

How bout "don't get drunk" in the first place?  

Good idea.  (Not being sarcastic.)

Please define "drunk".

Rightly so, "Buzzed" driving is "drunk" driving.  Define "buzzed".  And so on.
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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2013, 12:34:28 pm »

Artist, we're not talking about actually being intoxicated. We're talking about capricious arrest for public intox or DUI based on an authority's assessment, not by science, and for purposes other than public safety. That leaves the door open for abuse and unintended consequences. For instance if I take a cab and am arrested for public intox because the officer thinks he sees a bottle of beer in my hand in the back seat, then the word gets around that cabs are not a solution but a potential trap. So, you drive your car where you think you have a better chance. Same thing with limos and party buses. The result will be more drunks driving all night rather than at hotels or dropped to their homes.

Yes, drinking is a problem in America. So are drugs, rape, immorality, intolerance and my new favorite word, "affluenza". But rather than convince a species whose history is one of succumbing to dangerous desires and making stupid mistakes to view alcohol as an adult beverage served with dinner and friends in a home setting, wouldn't it be easier to manage such behavior while educating the spiritually weak species?
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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2013, 01:03:11 pm »

I really hate this state sometimes.
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« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2013, 01:06:44 pm »

At least we're not Texas, Kansas or Missouri. Or Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi. But the list is getting shorter all the time. Smiley

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« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2013, 02:16:03 pm »

At least we're not Texas, Kansas or Missouri. Or Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi. But the list is getting shorter all the time. Smiley

At least MO allows you to openly have a drink in an Entertainment District...   something ABLE protects us from.
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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2013, 02:27:55 pm »

At least MO allows you to openly have a drink in an Entertainment District...   something ABLE protects us from.

You can drink during festivals in entertainment districts, i.e. Mayfest and BDAF.
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« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2013, 02:44:46 pm »

You can drink during festivals in entertainment districts, i.e. Mayfest and BDAF.

Any adult beverage or just 3.2 beer?

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« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2013, 03:18:18 pm »

You can drink during festivals in entertainment districts, i.e. Mayfest and BDAF.

Camelback full of vodka.
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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2013, 04:29:31 pm »

You can drink during festivals in entertainment districts, i.e. Mayfest and BDAF.

The roads must be closed off.  Is that the one step to be made?  If the roads are closed off, you can drink in the streets?  Does there need to be a paid for police presence?
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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2013, 04:31:40 pm »

Any adult beverage or just 3.2 beer?



They sell Marshall’s and other higher ABV brews, but I don’t believe you can walk around with a cocktail.
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« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2013, 04:33:29 pm »

The roads must be closed off.  Is that the one step to be made?  If the roads are closed off, you can drink in the streets?  Does there need to be a paid for police presence?

I organized “Rock The Block” about 20 years ago down at 18th & Boston for the Jaycees. As I recall, that was a condition of getting the permit for the event.  I believe that would have been required even if we weren’t selling beer.

Even if police presence wasn’t a requirement for a permit, I’d still do it if the event was providing beer.
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