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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2017, 08:43:42 am »

$38 million, 5 story building with 80 beds.


That sounds very expensive per bed. $475k per bed. Also, that doesn't sound like very many beds per floor either. 5 story building for only 80 beds... And at 114,500 square feet, that's about 1400 ft2 per bed! I know there's tons of other stuff that will be there and that is likely takes a lot of different waiting rooms and common areas and medical rooms, but it seems like quite a bit of space per patient. But I guess that is how it is in health care. Hospitals are even higher in cost per bed. It is a shame this stuff is so expensive and that Oklahoma is so far behind in having adequate health care facilities.
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2017, 09:54:27 am »

Here is a rendering



I wonder what happens to the existing Parkside hospital?
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2017, 10:00:11 pm »

That sounds very expensive per bed. $475k per bed. Also, that doesn't sound like very many beds per floor either. 5 story building for only 80 beds... And at 114,500 square feet, that's about 1400 ft2 per bed! I know there's tons of other stuff that will be there and that is likely takes a lot of different waiting rooms and common areas and medical rooms, but it seems like quite a bit of space per patient. But I guess that is how it is in health care. Hospitals are even higher in cost per bed. It is a shame this stuff is so expensive and that Oklahoma is so far behind in having adequate health care facilities.

114k sq ft. You can probably expect the first floor is entry, waiting, vending, security, etc. and has no beds so 91k sq ft remaining. Probably at least a floor for intake, examination, treatment, records, etc for 68k. On any office or hospital plan you have bathrooms, elevators, extra wide hallways, etc. that take half of the remaining so 34k. Add nurse stations, office, supply closets, etc and I bet you are closer to 24k sqft or roughly 15x20 which is not far off.

In hospital construction, like with many things, overhead is huge.
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2017, 12:18:14 pm »

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Pearl District land being prepared for redevelopment

The future of a former children’s shelter site in the Pearl District should become clearer in the next couple of months.

At a Tulsa Development Authority meeting Thursday, a city official updated progress on the 4.4-acre site, of which 2.6 acres will be offered for redevelopment. Proposals are due Oct. 13 and the TDA could choose one by December.

Part of the city’s 6th Street Infill Plan, the property is an entire city block, bounded by Seventh Street on the north, Eighth Street on the south, Rockford Avenue on the east and Quincy Avenue on the west. This location is less than a half mile east of the Tulsa Central Business District.

Roger Acebo, acquisition and relocation administrator for the city, said Thursday that the former Laura Dester Shelter site is challenging because of its C-shaped development area — a portion is reserved for flood control — but he said he expects it to receive between three and 10 proposals. The interest has been mainly from Oklahoma and surrounding states, he said.

The state of Oklahoma sold the site to the city in 2015 as part of the city of Tulsa’s 6th Street Infill (Pearl District) Plan, and in January 2016 the city approved TDA to act as an agent to acquire other properties in this plan area to redevelop.

Real estate unavailable for redevelopment (about 1.80 acres) will contribute to flood-management in accordance with the Elm Creek Watershed Plan. Eventually, city storm-water management staff will work with the selected redevelopment firm on conceptual design of the flood control basin on the site.

Ten parcels have been acquired by the TDA and five are being razed by the city: 717 S. Rockford Ave.; 718 S. St. Louis Ave.; 727 S. Troost Ave. (land to be held for TDA redevelopment); 1007 E. Fifth Place and 1124 E. Fifth St. An additional property (414 S. Owasso Ave.) is under contract awaiting the start of an environmental phase.


http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/realestate/pearl-district-land-being-prepared-for-redevelopment/article_a2345208-1701-565a-b22c-568722408cd9.html
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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2017, 02:18:18 pm »

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TULSA, Oklahoma - We're getting our first look at what some developers envision for the former Laura Dester site in Tulsa's Pearl District.
Six months ago, the Tulsa Development Authority put out a request for proposals asking developers what they would do with the space.

The site near 8th and Rockford has been abandoned for years.

But Tuesday, we got a look at what we could soon see there.

The neighborhood is welcoming new businesses regularly, like Garrett O'Dell's Cirque coffee.

"There are a lot of creative minds that are opening up businesses here and working out of here," O'Dell said.

But a problem, he said, is there isn't much of a live or work environment.

"Sort of since we've opened here there has been virtually no foot traffic in this area and so anything that can bring that here is awesome," O'Dell said.

He is referring to a proposal by Tulsa-based Ross Group and Nelson Stowe, who are partnering with lead developer PrairieFire out of Kansas City.

At least 140 apartments, parking, and a central courtyard that goes along with the city's request to keep that flood retention land in place.

Most people we spoke with felt good about it, saying it's something that will bring people to this area and keep people here who were considering leaving.

"Because it is quality housing near downtown that they can afford that is urban and cool and funky and they can walk to their coffee shop," said Leanne Benton, Pearl District Association president

But some question why the proposal has the current buildings being torn down instead of repurposed.

PrairieFire development said  the buildings simply aren't in good shape and the cost of rehabbing them would be substantially higher than building new.

"I think most developers come in and say 'how can we maximize the land, do a really quality infill project that matches the neighborhood but uses the land well and I think they have hit that target really well," Benton said.




http://www.newson6.com/story/36730474/developers-reveal-proposal-for-former-laura-dester-site
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2017, 02:33:12 pm »

I know the existing buildings there aren't really cool looking right now, but I wish someone would propose a way to re-purpose them into housing. I'm not a huge fan of this proposal for that reason. It demolishes everything there and starts from scratch. There are plenty of completely empty lots where that sort of thing would make sense. Why not use the existing brick structures? I bet they could look amazing.

I do like that they have proposed 140 units (That is a lot for that space) and they look pretty good. Being 4 stories would make it a really good use of space for the area also. I wish they would've aligned the longer section on Quincy Ave so that more units could be closer to the heart of the Pearl District. Hopefully the TDA will ask for that.

It may not sound like a lot, but that change would take the farthest parts from 0.4 miles away from the Phoenix/Cirque (where it mentally starts to feel like a longer/inconvenient walk for most people), down to 0.3 miles away where walking seems like the most convenient option. On a day-in day-out basis, it would be far better for those to be as far to the NW corner of that lot as possible.
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2017, 08:02:02 pm »

I see that lot closest to Quincy being developed as a separate building, maybe live-work townhomes. 
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