Oklahoma Open Carry begins Nov. 1st

[Hoss]

Since open carry for the Oklahoma SDA (Self Defense Act) goes into effect on Nov 1, and I know we have several on here (myself included) who are SDA license holders, I thought I'd pose this question.  Even if you aren't a permit holder, please answer "Don't have a permit".  If you plan on getting a permit, I have two options for you there as well.

My answer is NO.  Only thing the law will do for me will be that if my weapon is somehow exposed, I won't be cited for it on Nov 1.

I'd like to hear any of your reasons why you will or won't.

Thanks.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I'll let someone else be the "first target" in a bad scenario.  Prefer to "lurk in the weeds" and keep it a surprise if needed.


Let the wild west begin!!    (Satire people...!!)

[patric]

Serious question:

Openly carrying a firearm in a holster wasn't specifically against the law until it was "legalized" was it?

So what we see as the giving of a new privilege, is actually a taking...   
More like a back-door gun registration?

[Hoss]

Serious question:

Openly carrying a firearm in a holster wasn't specifically against the law until it was "legalized" was it?

So what we see as the giving of a new privilege, is actually a taking...   
More like a back-door gun registration?

Not really.  You can get an SDA permit without owning a firearm.  You also don't have to provide your gun serial numbers when you obtain a SDA license.  No gun registration in Oklahoma that I'm aware of, although if you buy a firearm through a reputable vendor, then there is record of the sale.

[patric]

Not really.  You can get an SDA permit without owning a firearm.  You also don't have to provide your gun serial numbers when you obtain a SDA license.  No gun registration in Oklahoma that I'm aware of, although if you buy a firearm through a reputable vendor, then there is record of the sale.

How does SDA differ from Concealed or Open carry?
Maybe I was mislead, but I understood your CC permit had to specifically list any firearm you intend to carry under it.

[Hoss]

How does SDA differ from Concealed or Open carry?
Maybe I was mislead, but I understood your CC permit had to specifically list any firearm you intend to carry under it.

SDA=Concealed Carry.  SDA stands for Oklahoma Self Defense Act, the law you must be familiar with in order to obtain your license.  If you have a Concealed Carry license now you can open carry beginning Nov 1.

And the only firearm it lists on it is type.

Three types are offered.  Semi-automatic, revolver and derringer.  If you request a semi-automatic type license you are covered for all three types.  If you request a revolver, you cannot carry a semi, just a revolver or a derringer.  Derringer, just the derringer is allowed.

[Hoss]

I'll let someone else be the "first target" in a bad scenario.  Prefer to "lurk in the weeds" and keep it a surprise if needed.


Let the wild west begin!!    (Satire people...!!)

I used that phrase in my SDA class back in July and my instructor wasn't amused.   

[Teatownclown]

Can't wait. Now I'll Be able to join the TNF lunches...

[heironymouspasparagus]

I used that phrase in my SDA class back in July and my instructor wasn't amused.  

Mine was an OKC lawyer whose last comment to us was, "go forth and kill carefully..."


I hope to never again be in a position where I am driven to use deadly force.  Makes my stomach churn just thinking about it.  Won't stop me, but makes my stomach churn....

[BKDotCom]

My answer is NO.  Only thing the law will do for me will be that if my weapon is somehow exposed, I won't be cited for it on Nov 1.

Thanks.

Buzz.  Wrong.
Completely concealed or completely open.  Those are your two options with the permit.
Half-assed concealed = breaking the law

[Hoss]

Buzz.  Wrong.
Completely concealed or completely open.  Those are your two options with the permit.
Half-assed concealed = breaking the law

Uh, wrong again.  If somehow my concealed status is breached by a shirt-tail riding up, I won't be breaking the law.  Not quite sure where you get that from.  Because as of right now, my new CCL says 'Oklahoma Handgun License'.

Doesn't say a damned thing about Concealed, Open or a hybrid of the two.

TITLE 21 § 1290.2     DEFINITIONS
A. As used in the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act:
1. “Concealed handgun” means a loaded or unloaded pistol carried hidden from the detection and view of
another person either upon or about the person, in a purse or other container belonging to the person, or
in a vehicle which is operated by the person or in which the person is riding as a passenger;
2. “Unconcealed handgun” means a loaded or unloaded pistol carried upon the person in a belt or shoulder
holster that is wholly or partially visible, or carried upon the person in a scabbard or case designed for
carrying firearms that is wholly or partially visible; and
3. Pistol means any derringer, revolver or semiautomatic firearm which:
a. has an overall length of less that sixteen (16) inches,
b. is capable of discharging a projectile composed of any material which may reasonably be expected
to be able to cause lethal injury,
c. is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand, and
d. uses either gunpowder, gas or any means of rocket propulsion to discharge the projectile.
B. The definition of pistol for purposes of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act shall not apply to homemade or imitation
pistols, flare guns, underwater fishing guns or blank pistols


Somehow to me 'wholly or partially concealed' equals 'half assed concealed'.

This is why I wish people would read the statute instead of guessing.   

[patric]

3. Pistol means any derringer, revolver or semiautomatic firearm which:
a. has an overall length of less that sixteen (16) inches,
b. is capable of discharging a projectile composed of any material which may reasonably be expected
to be able to cause lethal injury,
c. is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand, and
d. uses either gunpowder, gas or any means of rocket propulsion to discharge the projectile.

The definition seems to include Tasers, C02 BB guns, and repro guns used for stage or film.  Maybe overly-broad.

[heironymouspasparagus]

This is why I wish people would read the statute instead of guessing.   

Once in a while ya gotta love the Oklahoma legislature - NOT very often, but just once in a great while, they get dangerously close to doing something correctly.  This may be one of those things...will have to see.

That's very close to one of my rants about people not knowing history, and then just mouthing the words they hear from a talk radio entity.  It is stunning how easy it is to find overwhelming information about practically everything - yeah, a lot of it bogus, but easy to find that out, too, most of the time.

[custosnox]

Serious question:

Openly carrying a firearm in a holster wasn't specifically against the law until it was "legalized" was it?

So what we see as the giving of a new privilege, is actually a taking...   
More like a back-door gun registration?

Actually, openly carrying a firearm was only allowed under specific circumstances before (outside of the law enforcement community). Essentially, if you were going to the range or class or something similar you could carry it visible, albeit unloaded. 

I have had to let my licence lapse this last week because I it was either that or bills, guess which won.

[Hoss]

Actually, openly carrying a firearm was only allowed under specific circumstances before (outside of the law enforcement community). Essentially, if you were going to the range or class or something similar you could carry it visible, albeit unloaded. 

I have had to let my licence lapse this last week because I it was either that or bills, guess which won.

Still doesn't keep you from carrying legally open or concealed as long as you are on your own property.  Step outside of that, then yes, you cannot.