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« Reply #1125 on: September 13, 2018, 09:44:30 am »

So those bicycle cops are actually being paid as private security?  If GP is a private attraction, fine, just be upfront about it.

I see the bike cops as a separate topic.   There is a bucket of money set aside for hiring additional security for the park.  Whether that security is private or not should be immaterial, as long as they enforce the rules correctly.   The question is regarding the rules.

Having said that, I was over there yesterday walking the dog, and the guard on the trail along the neighborhood was aggressively intercepting bicycles trying to get into the part.   I don't know whether he was just having a bad day, or if he was expecting me to be an a$$ because of the dog (which I was not, I am following the rules to the letter, while arguing for some moderation), but he had a bit of "stick up somewhere" and was just generally not pleasant.   I chatted him up for a while and he settled down, but my overall impression is he could have used a bit more people skills. 

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« Reply #1126 on: September 13, 2018, 12:58:43 pm »

Perhaps they need better "no dogs/no bikes" signs at all the entrances.

I can understand why they do not want dogs in the park.  There are multiple areas with children's play zones some composed of large swaths of sand, others with lots of water features (some right in the sidewalks on the ground), artificial turf, etc.  I heard the sand and water elements were specifically tailored for kids with autism in mind.  Anyway, wouldn't want a dog pissing or pooping in any of those areas. Plus, much of the areas off the trails are either contained gardens in a way, or open lawns meant for sitting on, and play areas.

Also, there are lots of very little kids/toddlers darting here and there that might run in front of a bike.   Plus many of the trails and areas can get you "lost" inside a play area with either a bike or a dog ending up in a spot where they shouldn't be and its difficult to weave your way out. It can often be tricky to see what trail is a "main trail" leading through a couple of areas where children are crossing, versus a trail leading "into" a contained area where you will find yourself having to stop and figure out how to get out, or trails that lead to non bike friendly stairs, narrow winding pedestrian paths, etc.  Even on foot it can be tricky to navigate, let alone on a bike, and some areas are designed that way intentionally in order to get you to explore and walk more. 

Much of the parks trails are simply not designed for bikes, or for pets.
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« Reply #1127 on: September 13, 2018, 01:47:32 pm »

Perhaps they need better "no dogs/no bikes" signs at all the entrances.

I can understand why they do not want dogs in the park.  There are multiple areas with children's play zones some composed of large swaths of sand, others with lots of water features (some right in the sidewalks on the ground), artificial turf, etc.  I heard the sand and water elements were specifically tailored for kids with autism in mind.  Anyway, wouldn't want a dog pissing or pooping in any of those areas. Plus, much of the areas off the trails are either contained gardens in a way, or open lawns meant for sitting on, and play areas.

Also, there are lots of very little kids/toddlers darting here and there that might run in front of a bike.   Plus many of the trails and areas can get you "lost" inside a play area with either a bike or a dog ending up in a spot where they shouldn't be and its difficult to weave your way out. It can often be tricky to see what trail is a "main trail" leading through a couple of areas where children are crossing, versus a trail leading "into" a contained area where you will find yourself having to stop and figure out how to get out, or trails that lead to non bike friendly stairs, narrow winding pedestrian paths, etc.  Even on foot it can be tricky to navigate, let alone on a bike, and some areas are designed that way intentionally in order to get you to explore and walk more. 

Much of the parks trails are simply not designed for bikes, or for pets.

Agreed.  But there are main trails that could be easily marked (certain striping on the ground, or similar) that would allow for passage of bikes (walked, preferably) and dogs (on leash) through the park.  Or just restrict the play area in general, and allow for passage in other areas of the park.     
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« Reply #1128 on: September 13, 2018, 07:18:11 pm »

Agreed.  But there are main trails that could be easily marked (certain striping on the ground, or similar) that would allow for passage of bikes (walked, preferably) and dogs (on leash) through the park.  Or just restrict the play area in general, and allow for passage in other areas of the park.     

I was hoping for a couple bike only paths through the park.  I guess you have the MV trail that Iím sure will get more use once there is a pedestrian bridge to cross.
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« Reply #1129 on: September 15, 2018, 09:56:31 pm »

I guess they just gotta have their "pipe dream"....  I suspect dog owners bringing their pets is gonna be a non-event - most if not all would pick up the 'deposits'.   The big source of that sort of problem with be the feral dogs running loose unaccompanied by owners, particularly at night, and feral cats - they will love those sandboxes!!

And possums, raccoons, and miscellaneous other wildlife.

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« Reply #1130 on: September 16, 2018, 06:29:16 pm »

This from a friend's Facebook page...
"The lighting is thoughtfully done in a beautiful way. LED lights are sustainable and the lights on poles are pointed down and domed so there is as little light pollution as possible. This park is the former home of the secret dens of our neighborhood foxes and the nests of neighborhood owls. Once the construction is past, I bet the wonderful critters of Mapleridge will return to the wilder areas of the park and I am grateful that they will not be inhibited by bright lights. Also, when it is time for humans to leave, the lights will be dimmed in stages as our signal to leave the park to the night creatures."

Im curious what the blue lights atop the poles are.  Maybe a way to keep Inhofe from landing there?  Grin
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« Reply #1131 on: September 16, 2018, 07:09:55 pm »

Im curious what the blue lights atop the poles are.  Maybe a way to keep Inhofe from landing there?  Grin

They designate emergency call box stations. Similar to this

https://www.caseemergencysystems.com/products/blue-light-tower/

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