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« Reply #150 on: February 11, 2012, 02:38:09 pm »


You can't bypass the constitution no matter how far right you are or how much you must pander to those BA creeps.


...Unless you are ordered to do so in a conference call from Homeland Security.   Grin

'scuse the drift, but double-standards exist.
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« Reply #151 on: February 16, 2012, 01:04:17 pm »

The trailers that make up the buildings start arriving today.
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« Reply #152 on: February 16, 2012, 01:09:15 pm »

The trailers that make up the buildings start arriving today.

Temporary trailers right?
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« Reply #153 on: February 16, 2012, 01:32:49 pm »

The trailers that make up the buildings start arriving today.

Boy these sum b!tches just won't give up. I'll give em an A+ for durability.
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« Reply #154 on: March 21, 2012, 05:43:32 pm »

Just put money on “it will be built then push the button.” The people who are protesting are not the ones who are putting their money down.  Some day a court will allow the owners of the original reservation of which BA is in the center of to exercise their right of access or fine BA multi million dollars as the judge did in the planned quarry v. Claremore.   2nd it is part of an allotment by blood passed on to the heirs.   
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« Reply #155 on: March 22, 2012, 08:29:04 am »

Actually it’s not, Shadows.  The Kialegee Tribal Town never had original allotments in the Broken Arrow area.  Their “given” land is down in Hughes and Okfuskee counties.  This was a legal sleight of hand which resulted in this.  How happy would you be if they had pulled this shenanigan right next to your property.
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« Reply #156 on: March 22, 2012, 09:42:36 am »

Just put money on “it will be built then push the button.” The people who are protesting are not the ones who are putting their money down.  Some day a court will allow the owners of the original reservation of which BA is in the center of to exercise their right of access or fine BA multi million dollars as the judge did in the planned quarry v. Claremore.   2nd it is part of an allotment by blood passed on to the heirs.    


The Kialegees are leasing the land from the descendants of the original allotees, who are Creek but not members of the Kialegee tribal town.
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« Reply #157 on: March 22, 2012, 09:16:20 pm »

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The United States hereby agree, by and with the consent of the Creek and Cherokee delegates, this day obtained, that the Muskogee or Creek country west of the Mississippi, shall be embraced within the following boundaries, viz:—Beginning at the mouth of the north fork of the Canadian river, and run northerly four miles—thence running a straight line so as to meet a line drawn from the south bank of the Arkansas river opposite to the east or lower bank of Grand river, at its junction with the Arkansas, and which runs a course south, 44 deg. west, one mile, to a post placed in the ground—thence along said line to the Arkansas, and up the same and the Verdigris river, to where the old territorial line crosses it—thence along said line north to a point twenty-five miles from the Arkansas river where the old territorial line crosses the same—thence running a line at right angles with the territorial line aforesaid, or west to the Mexico line—thence along the said line southerly to the Canadian river or to the boundary of the Choctaw country—thence down said river to the place of beginning. The lines, hereby defining the country of the Muskogee Indians on the north and east, bound the country of the Cherokees along these courses, as settled by the treaty concluded this day between the United States and that tribe.
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The Kialegees’s  have the same status and relationship with the Creek nation as Tulsa does with US..  BA is located within the Creek nation like Tulsa is in the US nation.  The allotments were given to the members of the Creek tribe as the Kialegees’s  were not recognized by the US therefore they did not exist but those who inherent the origin allotment are part  of the town.

If I had a place next to the casino I would be out there putting up a for rent sign because it would bring twice the normal rent 

Go put your bath robe on and act like a judge. 
Pull up the Indian Treaties of 1833 on you computer.
Now your robe shields you from outside influence. 
Consider only the treaty drawn for their removal.
You decide if they can use this land for gamming.

WHAT SAY YE   

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« Reply #158 on: March 22, 2012, 09:45:33 pm »

The Kialegees’s  have the same status and relationship with the Creek nation as Tulsa does with US..  BA is located within the Creek nation like Tulsa is in the US nation.  The allotments were given to the members of the Creek tribe as the Kialegees’s  were not recognized by the US therefore they did not exist but those who inherent the origin allotment are part  of the town.

This is completely false.
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« Reply #159 on: March 22, 2012, 10:13:35 pm »

This is completely false.
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Specify please, what part of regimentation or their treaties they made are false.
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« Reply #160 on: March 22, 2012, 10:36:32 pm »

Anything the US Government said relative to any relationship with the Indians was false.  If a mouth was open and noise coming out, it was a lie.


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« Reply #161 on: March 23, 2012, 10:35:11 am »

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Specify please, what part of regimentation or their treaties they made are false.


It was your statement that was false.

The Creek tribe pre-relocation was a confederacy made up of many related towns and really also included what we today call the Seminole tribe. The federal government treated the Creeks as a single entity post relocation and eventually  allotted land in 1907 to each tribal member as part of the Dawes and Curtis acts ending the Creek tribe as a political entity. Under the Indian Welfare act of 1936 the Federal Government offered each of the tribal towns in Oklahoma the ability to become an independent federally recognized tribe. The Kailegee were one of only three Creek towns to accept.

Today, the Kailegee are a Muscogean people, and do reside within the Creek Nation but are independent of the Muscogee Creek Nation. Tulsa is a constituent political entity of the United States as it was created under the state law of a state of the United States. The Kailegee Tribal Town was created by a US Federal Law and is not part of the Muscogee Creek Nation.
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« Reply #162 on: March 23, 2012, 12:20:25 pm »

[edit] History [quoted]
Kialegee emerged as an independent town from a larger Creek town, Tuckabatche,[6] located along rivers in what is now Alabama. Before removal, the Muscogee Confederacy included about 50 towns. Kialegee was based on a matrilineal system, with status through the mother's clan. It was an agrarian community. Women and children grew crops, while men hunted for game.[7]
On June 29, 1796 leaders from Kialegee signed a peace treaty with the United States. Townspeople joined the Red Stick Upper Creeks in the Creek Civil War. In 1813, US troops burned the town. In 1814, 1818, 1825, and 1826, Kialegee representatives signed treaties with the United States. Finally 166 families of Kialegee were forced to relocate to Indian Territory in 1835 under the Indian Removal Act.[8]
The tribe settled south of what would become Henryetta, Oklahoma.[6] They maintained a ceremonial ground and played stick ball against the Alabama-Quassarte Tribal Town. Their ground was put to sleep in 1912 when ethnologist John R. Swanton visited the town. He recorded that Kialegee was a Red Town or community of warriors.[2]
After the passage of the Oklahoma Indian Welfare Act in 1936, the US federal government offered each of the Muscogee Creek tribal towns the opportunity to enroll as an individual tribe . Of more than 40 towns, only three accepted: Kialegee, Thlopthlocco, and the Alabama-Quassarte.[6]
The tribe ratified its constitution and by-laws on June 12, 1941.[5] The tribe is governed by a miko or town king.[6] Additional officers are the First Warrior, Second

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« Reply #163 on: March 23, 2012, 01:50:02 pm »

OK after all that. Can they build or not build ?
I can't understand all that legal mumbo jumbo now. How the Hell did they understand it back then ?
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« Reply #164 on: March 23, 2012, 04:26:57 pm »

They will build it.

I assume they will exercise one of their options.

1. The present owners of the land have a clear title as citizens of the Creek Town therefore they can lease the surface rights to a third party subject to the any restriction in the treaties dating back centuries past.

2.  They can bring suit in the courts with BA and the signers of the petition  as defendants to reclaim their losses that they will suffer by being denied full access to the legitimate productive of the land.

Daughter-in-law, drawing her SS went to work at one of the casinos, wiping the tear stains off the machines at very nice salary.  It should be looked at as a gain to BA, State and Federal tax structures

 

   
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