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« Reply #105 on: January 11, 2012, 01:32:49 pm »

Channel 6 was there today at about 12:45 with a camera and the little dude with the glasses.

Everyone's on the bandwagon now.  Maybe we'll see a Native American Cultural Center here in Tulsa instead...
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« Reply #106 on: January 11, 2012, 01:38:42 pm »

I think the fear of criminal activity is unfounded but all the neon and crap is pretty incongruous with the area.  Yale between the Creek and 121st is already over-stressed.  I wonder if the Creeks would be willing to pay for five-laning from the Turnpike to 111th?
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« Reply #107 on: January 11, 2012, 07:28:10 pm »

KJRH is posting a substantiated rumor of a possible casino at 111th and Yale.  That'd be unfortunate for that area.  The smoke shop is ugly enough. 

Phil Lakin is said to be fighting it.

You live closer to that area than I do so you probably know more, but I just cannot image the work that would be required just to address/resolve the traffic issues. It's all two lane roads over there.
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« Reply #108 on: January 11, 2012, 07:38:18 pm »

I think the fear of criminal activity is unfounded but all the neon and crap is pretty incongruous with the area.  Yale between the Creek and 121st is already over-stressed.  I wonder if the Creeks would be willing to pay for five-laning from the Turnpike to 111th  121st St?

And they need to make room for a (real) trolley while they are at it.
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« Reply #109 on: January 11, 2012, 10:51:26 pm »

It's begining to sound like Tulsa is turning into Biff World.
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« Reply #110 on: January 11, 2012, 11:00:21 pm »

It's begining to sound like Tulsa is turning into Biff World.

We need to get that sports almanac back.
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« Reply #111 on: January 12, 2012, 08:26:36 am »

You live closer to that area than I do so you probably know more, but I just cannot image the work that would be required just to address/resolve the traffic issues. It's all two lane roads over there.

It's not set up for heavy traffic, that's for sure.

I have a feeling that if the Muskogee/Creek nation doesn't care about the neighbors, they probably won't care about the traffic until they realize it's cutting into their profits.
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« Reply #112 on: January 12, 2012, 09:44:20 am »

It is unlikely that the Muscogee (Creek) Nation is interested in builidng a casino in south Tulsa that will compete directly with River Spirit.  Indeed, according to reports to slow economy and uncertainty of the BA situation have caused delays to the construction of the hotel at that site.  More likely, as in BA, one of 3 tribal towns with federal recognition (such as the Kialegee) or a landless tribe will try to lease land from an owner of an allotment or restricted Indian land.

Additionally, don't limit your imagination to a large casino like River Spirit or Hard Rock Tulsa, it could be something much smaller and compact, or even a convenience store with a small room of gaming machines.
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« Reply #113 on: January 12, 2012, 09:48:04 am »

It is unlikely that the Muscogee (Creek) Nation is interested in builidng a casino in south Tulsa that will compete directly with River Spirit.  Indeed, according to reports to slow economy and uncertainty of the BA situation have caused delays to the construction of the hotel at that site.  More likely, as in BA, one of 3 tribal towns with federal recognition (such as the Kialegee) or a landless tribe will try to lease land from an owner of an allotment or restricted Indian land.

Additionally, don't limit your imagination to a large casino like River Spirit or Hard Rock Tulsa, it could be something much smaller and compact, or even a convenience store with a small room of gaming machines.

I didn't read anywhere it was the Muscogee's who were rumored on this 111th & Yale scenario.  Did I miss something?
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« Reply #114 on: January 12, 2012, 09:49:10 am »

Additionally, don't limit your imagination to a large casino like River Spirit or Hard Rock Tulsa, it could be something much smaller and compact, or even a convenience store with a small room of gaming machines.

I'm hopeful this is being blown way out of proportion.  

Since the area is zoned residential I'd like to see something with low light and attractive to look at but as another poster said, I'd like a unicorn too.
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« Reply #115 on: January 12, 2012, 09:49:43 am »

I didn't read anywhere it was the Muscogee's who were rumored on this 111th & Yale scenario.  Did I miss something?

This is their allotment
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« Reply #116 on: January 12, 2012, 10:13:09 am »

This is their allotment

The tribe's allotment or a citizen of the tribe?  If it's a citizen of the tribe, which is what I read, I believe they can lease the land to a tribal town if they wish.
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« Reply #117 on: January 12, 2012, 10:15:20 am »

The tribe's allotment or a citizen of the tribe?  If it's a citizen of the tribe, which is what I read, I believe they can lease the land to a tribal town if they wish.

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Chissoe inherited the property, which is a Muscogee (Creek) allotment, and in 1990 he leased a portion of it for a smoke shop, a U.S. Department of Interior court document states.

Chissoe died in April. His sons could not be reached for comment.

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« Reply #118 on: January 12, 2012, 12:07:15 pm »

The tribe's allotment or a citizen of the tribe?  If it's a citizen of the tribe, which is what I read, I believe they can lease the land to a tribal town if they wish.

Allotments are held by individual tribe members.

The allotments all fall within the area of historical Creek territorial jurisdiction (which I believe covers all of south Tulsa and probably most of BA).

The zoning won't matter because as soverign land of the tribe (by ownership or lease) it is not subject to state or local laws.  The contractor in BA found this out the hard way when he tried to call the BA police after a vandalism incident.
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« Reply #119 on: January 12, 2012, 12:10:57 pm »

Allotments are held by individual tribe members.

The allotments all fall within the area of historical Creek territorial jurisdiction (which I believe covers all of south Tulsa and probably most of BA).

The zoning won't matter because as soverign land of the tribe (by ownership or lease) it is not subject to state or local laws.  The contractor in BA found this out the hard way when he tried to call the BA police after a vandalism incident.

Law enforcement either falls to tribal police or the FBI, doesn't it?
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