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« Reply #90 on: January 06, 2012, 09:44:11 am »

Yeah...I met some of the people at Central and later married into one of the poor white/Indian families that went there (that's how my kids got their cards).  Didn't know Sammy.  Lots of undercurrents at that school at that time.  There were others at that school that were very much racist against Indians - like you said, multicultural.  That's why I said "go figure" - because there was such a diversity in the school.  (SmileKickers we called them.)




It was a big school. Around 3000 students at that time. I'm sure there were incidents that I never heard or experienced. I was once called a "honkie" by a group of black kids as I went down the stairs to class. I yelled back, "Yeah? So?" They laughed and I kept walking. I was in a college prep curriculum so we were somewhat insulated, but others found the Central experience to be a daily struggle.
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« Reply #91 on: January 06, 2012, 09:49:13 am »

It was a big school. Around 3000 students at that time. I'm sure there were incidents that I never heard or experienced. I was once called a "honkie" by a group of black kids as I went down the stairs to class. I yelled back, "Yeah? So?" They laughed and I kept walking. I was in a college prep curriculum so we were somewhat insulated, but others found the Central experience to be a daily struggle.

Lot's of tension.  Amazing number carried guns to school on a regular basis.
Hale was insulated/isolated a lot from that, but there were a few situations.  First black to attend Hale was while I was there - he came around our little group mostly.


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« Reply #92 on: January 06, 2012, 09:54:58 am »

Yeah, I was unaware of that. A few years later my little brother attended CHS and they had installed metal detectors and an ID system for students. Seems there were a lot of "outside agitators" who had scores to settle. Mostly kids from BTW and McClain. There was a lot of pressure by downtown businessmen to close the school.

Once parents got wind of potential trouble they started moving out of the district and that gave TPS a good reason to move the school.
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« Reply #93 on: January 06, 2012, 11:17:57 am »

Yeah, I was unaware of that. A few years later my little brother attended CHS and they had installed metal detectors and an ID system for students. Seems there were a lot of "outside agitators" who had scores to settle. Mostly kids from BTW and McClain. There was a lot of pressure by downtown businessmen to close the school.

Once parents got wind of potential trouble they started moving out of the district and that gave TPS a good reason to move the school.

I heard stories about metal detector archs at the new Central (and that they were broken ones from the airport put there for looks), but they didnt have them at the downtown one in the years before it closed.
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« Reply #94 on: January 06, 2012, 11:26:53 am »

I heard stories about metal detector archs at the new Central (and that they were broken ones from the airport put there for looks), but they didnt have them at the downtown one in the years before it closed.

Are you sure? I was away at college, but my brother told me that.

You're certainly right about the ones at the new Central. My middle son went there and used to walk around them. Once he figured out they didn't work he went through them....and right out the other side of the building to play hookey all day.
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« Reply #95 on: January 09, 2012, 09:48:08 pm »

KJRH is posting a substantiated rumor of a possible casino at 111th and Yale.  That'd be unfortunate for that area.  The smoke shop is ugly enough. 

Phil Lakin is said to be fighting it.
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« Reply #96 on: January 09, 2012, 10:19:01 pm »

KJRH is posting a substantiated rumor of a possible casino at 111th and Yale.  That'd be unfortunate for that area.  The smoke shop is ugly enough. 

Phil Lakin is said to be fighting it.

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« Reply #97 on: January 09, 2012, 10:34:22 pm »

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« Reply #98 on: January 09, 2012, 10:55:08 pm »

The NW corner of 111th & Yale, including the smoke shop, isn't as big as the parking lot at the Osage Casino from looking at Google maps.
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« Reply #99 on: January 09, 2012, 11:00:57 pm »

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« Reply #100 on: January 10, 2012, 06:06:34 pm »

The NW corner of 111th & Yale, including the smoke shop, isn't as big as the parking lot at the Osage Casino from looking at Google maps.

It isn't a very large space. Breathlessly waiting for the "South Tulsa Citizens Coalition" to weigh in if true, though.
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« Reply #101 on: January 10, 2012, 06:51:58 pm »

Makes me even happier I no longer live at 105th & Yale.  IIRC, that backs up directly to housing.  I'm sure the neighbors will appreciate a midnight sun all the extra lighting from the LED and neon.  Something about a turd and a punch bowl comes to mind.
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« Reply #102 on: January 11, 2012, 09:20:22 am »

South Tulsa smoke shop could be turned into casino, councilman says


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City Councilor Phil Lakin warned other councilors on Tuesday that the casino controversy erupting in Broken Arrow could very well occur in Tulsa.

"There are solid rumors" circulating in south Tulsa that another casino is planned on 8.2 acres near 111th Street and Yale Avenue where the South Yale Smoke Shop is located, he said.

The site is just four miles from the Broken Arrow site where the Kialegee Tribal Town has broken ground for casino construction, he said.

Lakin stressed the need for Tulsa to be proactive and not wait "until dirt has been turned" here.

The Tulsa site, 11010 S. Yale Ave., is owned by the Paul Chissoe, according to Tulsa County records.

Chissoe inherited the property, which is a Muscogee (Creek) allotment, and in 1990 he leased a portion of it for a smoke shop, a U.S. Department of Interior court document states.

Chissoe died in April. His sons could not be reached for comment.

Lakin said he hasn't talked to the land owner, but "I've been informed by legal experts that they (tribal members) can do whatever they want to do on that restricted land. ... Nobody has been able to tell me what can't be put on the land."

The councilor questioned whether every piece of property that has a smoke shop on it has the potential to become something else.

 Lakin said he will seek council approval Thursday on a resolution supporting Broken Arrow's opposition to the casino there.

Mayor Dewey Bartlett told the Tulsa World that it is "very appropriate" for Tulsa to unite with Broken Arrow.

"I think it is inappropriate that entities be allowed to skirt the laws of the community," he said. "Using misconceived notions of sovereignty and financial capability as the reason to do something is not right."

He said that if the casino is allowed in Broken Arrow, it would set a precedent "that is simply unacceptable, and we cannot allow it to happen."

Bartlett said the community needs to "rise up and show its displeasure."

"The federal government has the ability of stopping this dead in its tracks, and that is where the battle should be," he said.

Lakin told councilors that he has contacted federal, state and county officials to determine what could be done to stop the casino's construction.

He said a casino at the south Tulsa site would put enormous stress on security and infrastructure there.

Lakin noted that cities use zoning to protect areas from inappropriate construction for a reason.

"We don't allow strip clubs to be built next to schools and churches," he said. "Do we want other adult entertainment activities like casinos to be built too closely to our neighborhoods, right in the middle of our neighborhoods?

"So, whether or not a casino goes up there tomorrow or four weeks from now or four years from now, it still focuses light on the scenario what Broken Arrow is going through and something that we need to be very aware of, because it could happen," he said.

Broken Arrow officials are fighting the Kialegee Tribal Town, which has construction under way for the casino at the corner of Olive Avenue (129th East Avenue) and Florence Street (111th Street).

The Kialegee Tribal Town is a federally recognized tribe as well as part of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation. It has 439 enrolled members and is based in Wetumka.

The Broken Arrow property is owned by two Muscogee (Creek) Nation tribal members, Marcella Giles and Wynema Capps, who inherited the Creek allotment from their father.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=685&articleid=20120111_11_A1_CUTLIN817108
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« Reply #103 on: January 11, 2012, 12:13:54 pm »

Felice Baldwin has lived in south Tulsa for 23 years, and news of a possible casino on the horizon is not sitting well.
Her concern is the safety of her neighborhood, and that’s not all.  "My big, big concern is the value of my house. Will the value of my house go down now? I've been here a long time and I have a lot invested,” says Baldwin.
"My fear is the affect of the noise and the light pollution that this will cause,” Baldwin says.


Yeah, she said that.  Good girl.

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Rumors-of-a-South-Tulsa-casino-have-neighbors/j6dZd3H94EqJWJNMoVJFlQ.cspx
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« Reply #104 on: January 11, 2012, 12:35:54 pm »

Safety?  Well, from the commercials the only patrons are well dressed young white women who win tons of money!!


105th and Yale sounds like the same group that hassled OK dept of transportation about what was going to be a free road around south Tulsa, that they turned it over to the turnpike authority and did it anyway, but much sooner (Creek Turnpike).  Yeah...clever bunch those 'southies'.  Even though they knew the road was planned for that corridor since the '70s....

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