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« Reply #900 on: July 13, 2018, 09:18:15 am »

This seems like a classic case of regulatory capture.  The Health Board is dominated by and is beholden to an industry that overwhelmingly opposed SQ 788.  Thus, the effort by the health board to overturn the clear mandate of the voters is not surprising.

It is interesting that legislators of both parties are being so critical of the health board’s actions.  I think that is indicative that most politicians, whatever their personal position on the issue, clearly understand the voters will be angry by this attempt to undo the basic intent of SQ 788 and will seek revenge at the ballot box.  It’s too bad Fallin either lacks the good political instinct to understand that or simply doesn’t care as she heads out the door.

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« Reply #901 on: July 13, 2018, 11:09:23 am »

This seems like a classic case of regulatory capture.  The Health Board is dominated by and is beholden to an industry that overwhelmingly opposed SQ 788.  Thus, the effort by the health board to overturn the clear mandate of the voters is not surprising.

It is interesting that legislators of both parties are being so critical of the health board’s actions.  I think that is indicative that most politicians, whatever their personal position on the issue, clearly understand the voters will be angry by this attempt to undo the basic intent of SQ 788 and will seek revenge at the ballot box.  It’s too bad Fallin either lacks the good political instinct to understand that or simply doesn’t care as she heads out the door.




She has never cared about the people/voters of this state - only the people who bought and paid for her and Minions.




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« Reply #902 on: July 13, 2018, 10:27:17 pm »

This seems like a classic case of regulatory capture.  The Health Board is dominated by and is beholden to an industry that overwhelmingly opposed SQ 788.  Thus, the effort by the health board to overturn the clear mandate of the voters is not surprising.

The requisite "stupid voters dont know what they are doing" quote from the Opium-prescribing "Pain Management" industry:

Oklahoma State Medical Association President Jean Hausheer says she's convinced Oklahoma voters didn't fully realize the implications of State Question 788, which passed June 26 with nearly 57 percent of the vote.

https://newsok.com/article/5600772/doctors-pharmacists-propose-ban-on-smoking-medical-pot

Maybe its more like the script doctors didnt realize how many older voters really sincerely want an alternative to highly addictive opioids.


 “What appears to have happened is the unelected board of health chose to amend those regulations on the spot, to things that had never been discussed.”
https://newsok.com/article/5600886/dispensaries-must-hire-pharmacists


So now two lawsuits and the threat of jail for the board's backroom shenanigans.  Some resignations might be in order now.

"We call on the district attorney of Oklahoma County to file charges against those five members for violations of the Open Meetings Act.
“It is a misdemeanor. It carries potential fines, and it carries potential jail time. And we’ve asked (prosecutors) to act.”


https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/marijuana/medical-marijuana-lawsuit-health-board-members-met-privately-to-draft/article_d60f5704-189c-517d-b09d-de7ccc2ebcfa.html


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« Reply #903 on: July 16, 2018, 08:16:37 am »

Ahh yes, the-voters-are-ignorant-so-we-need-to-fix-it-for-them argument.  

The same thing happened last year when we voted to soften our criminal drug laws:
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In November, Oklahomans voted to downgrade virtually all drug possession cases into misdemeanors. The criminal justice reformers who voted against House Bill 1482 said the people spoke clearly about what they wanted. Supporters of the bill, however, said voters weren't told the state question eliminated what they described as drug-free school zones.

“It's not overturning the will of the people, because the people did not get a chance to vote on it,” said state Rep. Bobby Cleveland, R-Slaughterville.
https://newsok.com/article/5541013/house-votes-to-reverse-some-voter-approved-criminal-justice-reforms

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“Nowhere in the state question did it mention what some of those changes were, or the effect of them,” said Shortey, R-Oklahoma City. “People basically did not know exactly how much of the statutes were being changed.”
https://newsok.com/article/5536406/oklahomas-brand-new-drug-law-on-chopping-block


Or the 10 Commandments:
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After voters rejected a state question that would have allowed a Ten Commandments monument on public property, lawmakers recently approved legislation that could have the same effect.
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/lawmakers-speak-on-new-law-allowing-ten-commandments-public-display/article_f86ed487-d192-5f59-b3b6-20bb2678da5e.html


Then again... these are the same voters who pick our duly elected State government.  So maybe they are on to something.  Or maybe the"voters don't know what they are doing" rule only applies to outcomes they don't like?
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« Reply #904 on: July 16, 2018, 08:32:40 am »

Ahh yes, the-voters-are-ignorant-so-we-need-to-fix-it-for-them argument.  

The same thing happened last year when we voted to soften our criminal drug laws:https://newsok.com/article/5541013/house-votes-to-reverse-some-voter-approved-criminal-justice-reforms
https://newsok.com/article/5536406/oklahomas-brand-new-drug-law-on-chopping-block


Or the 10 Commandments:https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/lawmakers-speak-on-new-law-allowing-ten-commandments-public-display/article_f86ed487-d192-5f59-b3b6-20bb2678da5e.html

This time the backlash will result in enshrinement of recreational marijuana in the states constitution years before it might have happened otherwise, because thats apparently the only way voter-approved medical marijuana is going to see sunlight.


The number of signatures in support of State Question 797 rose by more than 20,000 in the last week...

The spike in support came after the Oklahoma State Department of Health voted to ban smokable medical marijuana last week.

“I think it’s a clear message that the people here in Oklahoma are aggravated with what the health department did last week"

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/marijuana/organizers-recreational-marijuana-petition-now-just-signatures-shy-of-threshold/article_02fe44da-3c83-5634-a5da-256ab2ad3ef6.html
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« Reply #905 on: July 16, 2018, 09:46:54 am »

This time the backlash will result in enshrinement of recreational marijuana in the states constitution years before it might have happened otherwise, because thats apparently the only way voter-approved medical marijuana is going to see sunlight.


The number of signatures in support of State Question 797 rose by more than 20,000 in the last week...

The spike in support came after the Oklahoma State Department of Health voted to ban smokable medical marijuana last week.

“I think it’s a clear message that the people here in Oklahoma are aggravated with what the health department did last week"

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/marijuana/organizers-recreational-marijuana-petition-now-just-signatures-shy-of-threshold/article_02fe44da-3c83-5634-a5da-256ab2ad3ef6.html



I signed them.  Been haranguing friends and relatives to do same.

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« Reply #906 on: July 16, 2018, 11:04:56 pm »

Funny, I was up in Colorado today.  I'm still not seeing a bunch of pot-dazed zombies wandering around aimlessly all over the place as was depicted by the anti 788 crowd.

Watching people come and go from a dispensary is pretty fascinating.  Most are very clean cut and I see people clearly older than myself coming and going not at all what the unenlightened might expect and outright lied about who is benefiting from legal RMJ.

(Hey, I was fueling my car next door to one today and I do shop at a Wal-Mart next to one as well).
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