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« Reply #3705 on: August 12, 2018, 06:04:13 pm »

That's an interesting tactic to absolve Dems of any blame for voting to fund the Iraq war. I'll have to try that one out on my friends, see how it plays.

And Bill Clinton claiming at that time he knew "without a doubt" there were unaccounted for WMD's in Iraq.  Sounds like his intel must have been flawed as well, eh?

Everyone seemed pretty confident there were WMD in Iraq and Iraq had a hand in 9/11 until it was an unpopular stance.  I don't think we will ever fully know the truth on that one.
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« Reply #3706 on: August 13, 2018, 01:44:05 pm »

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« Reply #3707 on: August 13, 2018, 05:10:00 pm »


I have a question about the Space Force....   When is Puerto Rico gonna get electricity??

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« Reply #3708 on: August 14, 2018, 07:59:12 am »

Everyone seemed pretty confident there were WMD in Iraq and Iraq had a hand in 9/11 until it was an unpopular stance.  I don't think we will ever fully know the truth on that one.

Actually, that's not accurate.  Prior to invading Iraq the CIA stated that they had no credible evidence that Iraq had any involvement with 911.  The Defense Intelligence Agency published the same basic conclusion. So did British intelligence. And Israeli intelligence. Of course Germany and France were publicly against the war stating the evidence was not strong enough.  All before the invasion, basically every intelligence agency we rely upon was saying the evidence did not support that conclusion.  Not that those conclusions were necessarily shared with the American people.

The 911 Commission Report reviewed all the available information and reached the same conclusion.  The people believed there was a link between 911 and Iraq, but it appears the intelligence agencies did not share the conclusion. Heck, by September of 2003 the administration admitted they had no evidence for a link between 911 and Iraq and the Washington Post was already publishing articles on the topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda_link_allegations#2002_British_intelligence_report
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2003/09/06/hussein-link-to-911-lingers-in-many-minds/7cd31079-21d1-42cf-8651-b67e93350fde/?utm_term=.fa85e40a0ade

Not that Saddam was a nice guy or above aiding terrorists, but they were too leery of each other and had different goals to work closely together.   

I think WMDs is a more complex issue. 
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« Reply #3709 on: August 14, 2018, 09:24:34 am »

Actually, that's not accurate.  Prior to invading Iraq the CIA stated that they had no credible evidence that Iraq had any involvement with 911.  The Defense Intelligence Agency published the same basic conclusion. So did British intelligence. And Israeli intelligence. Of course Germany and France were publicly against the war stating the evidence was not strong enough.  All before the invasion, basically every intelligence agency we rely upon was saying the evidence did not support that conclusion.  Not that those conclusions were necessarily shared with the American people.

The 911 Commission Report reviewed all the available information and reached the same conclusion.  The people believed there was a link between 911 and Iraq, but it appears the intelligence agencies did not share the conclusion. Heck, by September of 2003 the administration admitted they had no evidence for a link between 911 and Iraq and the Washington Post was already publishing articles on the topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda_link_allegations#2002_British_intelligence_report
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2003/09/06/hussein-link-to-911-lingers-in-many-minds/7cd31079-21d1-42cf-8651-b67e93350fde/?utm_term=.fa85e40a0ade

Not that Saddam was a nice guy or above aiding terrorists, but they were too leery of each other and had different goals to work closely together.  

I think WMDs is a more complex issue.  



We know for an absolute fact that he had WMD's - chemical weapons - throughout the 80's...he used them on Kurds and others in Iraq as well as Iran during their war.  We know this because we provided, along with Germany, all of the equipment and supplies to make and deploy them.  Public knowledge for decades, but ignored completely by Fake Fox News, so about 30% of the people in this country never heard of it to start, and the remaining 10-15% who voted for Trump dismissed and excused it anyway, just like they did for the regimes that performed those actions.

Another huge 'Brownie Point' for the Reagan and Bush criminal regimes...right up there with Iran-Contra.


Still just a little bit surprising to me to hear people lamenting how so many around the world hate Americans...and dismiss/justify it by saying, "they are just jealous of us...."   Right.  Got it.




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« Reply #3710 on: August 16, 2018, 04:51:26 pm »

“whenever Trump crosses a line, it only emboldens people to follow him.”
“He says ‘Nazis are fine people,’ now Nazis throwing block parties in D.C.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LggwPPEmyqE

“Last year they came with torches. This year they come with badges.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/12/charlottesville-anniversary-protest-anger-police-failures-white-supremacists
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« Reply #3711 on: August 17, 2018, 08:42:52 am »

“whenever Trump crosses a line, it only emboldens people to follow him.”
“He says ‘Nazis are fine people,’ now Nazis throwing block parties in D.C.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LggwPPEmyqE




THAT is the more likely scenario.


And with other groups besides the ones mentioned, like handicapped people that Trump so loves to disparage.  How often do we get to enjoy the use of the word 'libtard' around here?   Regularly.

Used as a disparaging insult against Dems, Moderates, real Republicans - anyone else who isn't on the fascist bandwagon.  An insult directly taken from the "R" word of recent fame, specifically intended to cast aspersions that someone is the "lowest of the low" - in the same fashion that they feel mentally and physically handicapped people are also somehow subhuman - not worthy of basic human decency and respect.

This is what these people truly are.

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« Reply #3712 on: August 17, 2018, 10:06:25 am »

You think they have a cabinet member who is held down so Trump can punch on them?

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« Reply #3713 on: August 18, 2018, 04:35:16 pm »


I have a question about the Space Force....   When is Puerto Rico gonna get electricity??


When they get better lobbyists.

Trump backed 'space force' after months of lobbying by officials with ties to aerospace industry
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-trump-space-20180817-story.html

A Tulsa connection?
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« Reply #3714 on: August 19, 2018, 11:19:00 am »


I think WMDs is a more complex issue. 


I always thought the issue was Hussein putting WMDs in the hands of terrorists rather than a direct link to 9/11 but that's simply my recollection.  As none of us were in the meetings where the decision to invade Iraq was made, I don't believe we will every fully know the rationale, though "Baby Bush defending Daddy Bush's failed war" will always be a popular meme.  Hindsight is always valuable.  Had that been a six month milk run instead of a long quagmire, I believe history would treat Bush II much differently.
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