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« on: July 25, 2009, 03:07:39 pm »

This is a good idea. Hopefully someone adds an amendment to increase the amount of time based on length of bill. When I say this a few days ago it only had 10 cosponsors,as of now it has 68 cosponsers.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-hr554/show
This resolution would require that the full text of House legislation and accompanying committee reports be continuously posted on the Internet. Moreover it seeks to establish a policy prohibiting the House from voting on legislation until 72 hours after its text is made available to Congress members and the general public.

The bill’s stated purpose is to enhance public participation and improve the quality of proposed legislation by ensuring the opportunity for its review by actors ranging from State officials to members of the public.





 Hopefully John Sullivan jumps on this too.
http://sullivan.house.gov/zipauth.html

He already agreed to read the healthcare bill at least 72 hours before voting on it,so this shouldn't be a problem for him.
http://www.desertconservative.com/2009/07/20/write-and-demand-that-the-healthcare-bill-be-read-prior-to-vote/


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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2009, 03:13:05 pm »

It does sound like a good idea. I wonder just how many folks will be able to understand the text of the legislation or its impact. Legal terms aside, the phrasing is often overly complex. Perhaps some summarizing or analyses in common language could be added. In English of course. Wink
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2009, 03:32:05 pm »

MALARKEY! Sounds like shenanigans to this devil.

"If this Bill is not read at least 72 hours before being voted on by ALL Senators and Representatives I think any that do vote should be held up to ridicule and recalled!"

Any parties to contracts should be following the changes and callibrations within their parties as the process works out a document. (they could discuss it at a Tuesday night C Street dinner). This is a tool in the "let's make Obama fail" bag.

They've had 20 years to build on in congress to come up with a bill. Give me a break. Call your representative and plead with him to have an open mind and vote for single payer and to make health care for all a right. It's the only solution. Please don't give me that "socialized besides no money" argument either. We are printing enough money to bail out Wall Street which is three times the necessary funds for health care. Besides, we continue in a deflationary situation which demands we print even more money. And is the military socialization? How about our education system? Police and fire?

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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2009, 03:40:45 pm »

If it was designed to slow legislation down, especially healthcare related, then yes that sounds like shenanigans. But it is in concept a good idea for the populace to see what legislation is proposed and how it would impact them. Why should only the big company lobbyists have that edge? My concern is that, based on what I read on forums, newspaper responses and common conversation, the populace won't understand what is being presented to them and thus be a waste of time and effort.
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2009, 03:59:45 pm »

If it was designed to slow legislation down, especially healthcare related, then yes that sounds like shenanigans. But it is in concept a good idea for the populace to see what legislation is proposed and how it would impact them. Why should only the big company lobbyists have that edge? My concern is that, based on what I read on forums, newspaper responses and common conversation, the populace won't understand what is being presented to them and thus be a waste of time and effort.

We have a model in medicare and in the way our vets get their needs met.

The country can't afford nit picking this thing apart. It requires careful execution with strong leadership.

Time to move forward with change. Seems like the chickens want status quo.
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2009, 12:50:17 pm »

Its now up to 85 cosponsors.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-hr554/show

          o Rep. Robert Aderholt [R, AL-4]
          o Rep. Rodney Alexander [R, LA-5]
          o Rep. Michael Arcuri [D, NY-24]
          o Rep. Michele Bachmann [R, MN-6]
          o Rep. Roscoe Bartlett [R, MD-6]
          o Rep. Jo Bonner [R, AL-1]
          o Rep. Dan Boren [D, OK-2]
          o Rep. Leonard Boswell [D, IA-3]
          o Rep. Charles Boustany [R, LA-7]
          o Rep. Kevin Brady [R, TX-8]
          o Rep. Bobby Bright [D, AL-2]
          o Rep. Virginia Brown-Waite [R, FL-5]
          o Rep. Dan Burton [R, IN-5]
          o Rep. Anh Cao [R, LA-2]
          o Rep. Christopher Carney [D, PA-10]
          o Rep. John Carter [R, TX-31]
          o Rep. Jason Chaffetz [R, UT-3]
          o Rep. Ben Chandler [D, KY-6]
          o Rep. Steve Cohen [D, TN-9]
          o Rep. Jim Costa [D, CA-20]
          o Rep. John Culberson [R, TX-7]
          o Rep. Kathleen Dahlkemper [D, PA-3]
          o Rep. Lincoln Davis [D, TN-4]
          o Rep. Peter DeFazio [D, OR-4]
          o Rep. John Duncan [R, TN-2]
          o Rep. Thomas Edwards [D, TX-17]
          o Rep. Mary Fallin [R, OK-5]
          o Rep. James Forbes [R, VA-4]
          o Rep. Jeffrey Fortenberry [R, NE-1]
          o Rep. Virginia Foxx [R, NC-5]
          o Rep. Scott Garrett [R, NJ-5]
          o Rep. Jeb Hensarling [R, TX-5]
          o Rep. Walter Herger [R, CA-2]
          o Rep. Jesse Jackson [D, IL-2]
          o Rep. Lynn Jenkins [R, KS-2]
          o Rep. Timothy Johnson [R, IL-15]
          o Rep. Samuel Johnson [R, TX-3]
          o Rep. Walter Jones [R, NC-3]
          o Rep. Marcy Kaptur [D, OH-9]
          o Rep. Peter King [R, NY-3]
          o Rep. Steve King [R, IA-5]
          o Rep. Jack Kingston [R, GA-1]
          o Rep. John Kline [R, MN-2]
          o Rep. Frank Kratovil [D, MD-1]
          o Rep. Leonard Lance [R, NJ-7]
          o Rep. Daniel Lipinski [D, IL-3]
          o Rep. David Loebsack [D, IA-2]
          o Rep. Daniel Maffei [D, NY-25]
          o Rep. Carolyn Maloney [D, NY-14]
          o Rep. Kenny Marchant [R, TX-24]
          o Rep. James Marshall [D, GA-8]
          o Rep. Michael McCaul [R, TX-10]
          o Rep. Howard McKeon [R, CA-25]
          o Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers [R, WA-5]
          o Rep. Kendrick Meek [D, FL-17]
          o Rep. Charles Melancon [D, LA-3]
          o Rep. Michael Michaud [D, ME-2]
          o Rep. Jeff Miller [R, FL-1]
          o Rep. Dennis Moore [D, KS-3]
          o Rep. Randy Neugebauer [R, TX-19]
          o Rep. Pete Olson [R, TX-22]
          o Rep. Ronald Paul [R, TX-14]
          o Rep. Erik Paulsen [R, MN-3]
          o Rep. Joseph Pitts [R, PA-16]
          o Rep. Todd Platts [R, PA-19]
          o Rep. Bill Posey [R, FL-15]
          o Rep. Dennis Rehberg [R, MT-0]
          o Rep. Phil Roe [R, TN-1]
          o Rep. Michael Rogers [R, AL-3]
          o Rep. Thomas Rooney [R, FL-16]
          o Rep. Mike Ross [D, AR-4]
          o Rep. Jean Schmidt [R, OH-2]
          o Rep. Peter Sessions [R, TX-32]
          o Rep. John Shadegg [R, AZ-3]
          o Rep. Heath Shuler [D, NC-11]
          o Rep. Lamar Smith [R, TX-21]
          o Rep. Adam Smith [D, WA-9]
          o Rep. Jackie Speier [D, CA-12]
          o Rep. Clifford Stearns [R, FL-6]
          o Rep. Gene Taylor [D, MS-4]
          o Rep. Todd Tiahrt [R, KS-4]
          o Rep. Greg Walden [R, OR-2]
          o Rep. Zach Wamp [R, TN-3]
          o Rep. Edward Whitfield [R, KY-1]
          o Rep. Rob Wittman [R, VA-1]
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2009, 01:15:28 pm »

If it was just for blocking healthcare, the "post-ahead" time would be based on Billions spent. Say 1 hour for every billion. That would mean 1 month to review stimulus, 2 months for healthcare, etc.
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2009, 09:18:49 am »

It does sound like a good idea. I wonder just how many folks will be able to understand the text of the legislation or its impact. Legal terms aside, the phrasing is often overly complex. Perhaps some summarizing or analyses in common language could be added. In English of course. Wink

The alternative is to assume the people are too stupid to understand what is happening and exclude them.  More transparency is a good thing.  Even if the actual effect is minimal, knowing that their "work" will be presented before they vote on it might force some changes.
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2009, 06:24:05 pm »

Regardless of the outcome of the vote the appointed life term members of the Supreme Court will legislate the bill.   All these interpretations are a smoke screen for the “powers to be” to exercise their powers.
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2009, 07:58:05 am »

Regardless of the outcome of the vote the appointed life term members of the Supreme Court will legislate the bill.   All these interpretations are a smoke screen for the “powers to be” to exercise their powers.


Care to provide your analysis of how or why the provisions of this bill might be challenged as constitutional?  Also, be so kind as to provide an alternative to a constitutional court.  Thank you in advance for your insight.
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2009, 02:19:26 pm »

Care to provide your analysis of how or why the provisions of this bill might be challenged as constitutional?  Also, be so kind as to provide an alternative to a constitutional court.  Thank you in advance for your insight.
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2009, 04:15:47 pm »

Oh.  Thank you for clarifying, I guess.
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2009, 07:13:08 pm »

Its up to 164 co sponsors and John Sullivan's name is on that list of cosponsors.



http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-hr554/show


         
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o Rep. Robert Aderholt [R, AL-4]
          o Rep. Rodney Alexander [R, LA-5]
          o Rep. Michael Arcuri [D, NY-24]
          o Rep. Steve Austria [R, OH-7]
          o Rep. Michele Bachmann [R, MN-6]
          o Rep. John Barrow [D, GA-12]
          o Rep. Roscoe Bartlett [R, MD-6]
          o Rep. Joe Barton [R, TX-6]
          o Rep. Judy Biggert [R, IL-13]
          o Rep. Brian Bilbray [R, CA-50]
          o Rep. Gus Bilirakis [R, FL-9]
          o Rep. Rob Bishop [R, UT-1]
          o Rep. Marsha Blackburn [R, TN-7]
          o Rep. Roy Blunt [R, MO-7]
          o Rep. John Boehner [R, OH-8]
          o Rep. Jo Bonner [R, AL-1]
          o Rep. Dan Boren [D, OK-2]
          o Rep. Leonard Boswell [D, IA-3]
          o Rep. Charles Boustany [R, LA-7]
          o Rep. Kevin Brady [R, TX-8]
          o Rep. Bobby Bright [D, AL-2]
          o Rep. Henry Brown [R, SC-1]
          o Rep. Virginia Brown-Waite [R, FL-5]
          o Rep. Michael Burgess [R, TX-26]
          o Rep. Dan Burton [R, IN-5]
          o Rep. John Campbell [R, CA-48]
          o Rep. Anh Cao [R, LA-2]
          o Rep. Christopher Carney [D, PA-10]
          o Rep. John Carter [R, TX-31]
          o Rep. Bill Cassidy [R, LA-6]
          o Rep. Jason Chaffetz [R, UT-3]
          o Rep. Ben Chandler [D, KY-6]
          o Rep. Howard Coble [R, NC-6]
          o Rep. Steve Cohen [D, TN-9]
          o Rep. Tom Cole [R, OK-4]
          o Rep. K. Conaway [R, TX-11]
          o Rep. Jim Costa [D, CA-20]
          o Rep. Ander Crenshaw [R, FL-4]
          o Rep. John Culberson [R, TX-7]
          o Rep. Kathleen Dahlkemper [D, PA-3]
          o Rep. Lincoln Davis [D, TN-4]
          o Rep. Nathan Deal [R, GA-9]
          o Rep. Peter DeFazio [D, OR-4]
          o Rep. Charles Dent [R, PA-15]
          o Rep. John Duncan [R, TN-2]
          o Rep. Thomas Edwards [D, TX-17]
          o Rep. Vernon Ehlers [R, MI-3]
          o Rep. Mary Fallin [R, OK-5]
          o Rep. Jeff Flake [R, AZ-6]
          o Rep. John Fleming [R, LA-4]
          o Rep. James Forbes [R, VA-4]
          o Rep. Jeffrey Fortenberry [R, NE-1]
          o Rep. Virginia Foxx [R, NC-5]
          o Rep. Scott Garrett [R, NJ-5]
          o Rep. Jim Gerlach [R, PA-6]
          o Rep. John Gingrey [R, GA-11]
          o Rep. Louis Gohmert [R, TX-1]
          o Rep. Robert Goodlatte [R, VA-6]
          o Rep. Kay Granger [R, TX-12]
          o Rep. Samuel Graves [R, MO-6]
          o Rep. Raymond Green [D, TX-29]
          o Rep. Parker Griffith [D, AL-5]
          o Rep. Ralph Hall [R, TX-4]
          o Rep. Gregg Harper [R, MS-3]
          o Rep. Jeb Hensarling [R, TX-5]
          o Rep. Walter Herger [R, CA-2]
          o Rep. Peter Hoekstra [R, MI-2]
          o Rep. Bob Inglis [R, SC-4]
          o Rep. Darrell Issa [R, CA-49]
          o Rep. Jesse Jackson [D, IL-2]
          o Rep. Lynn Jenkins [R, KS-2]
          o Rep. Timothy Johnson [R, IL-15]
          o Rep. Samuel Johnson [R, TX-3]
          o Rep. Walter Jones [R, NC-3]
          o Rep. Marcy Kaptur [D, OH-9]
          o Rep. Peter King [R, NY-3]
          o Rep. Steve King [R, IA-5]
          o Rep. Jack Kingston [R, GA-1]
          o Rep. Mark Kirk [R, IL-10]
          o Rep. Larry Kissell [D, NC-8]
          o Rep. John Kline [R, MN-2]
          o Rep. Frank Kratovil [D, MD-1]
          o Rep. Doug Lamborn [R, CO-5]
          o Rep. Leonard Lance [R, NJ-7]
          o Rep. Thomas Latham [R, IA-4]
          o Rep. Christopher Lee [R, NY-26]
          o Rep. Daniel Lipinski [D, IL-3]
          o Rep. Frank LoBiondo [R, NJ-2]
          o Rep. David Loebsack [D, IA-2]
          o Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer [R, MO-9]
          o Rep. Daniel Maffei [D, NY-25]
          o Rep. Carolyn Maloney [D, NY-14]
          o Rep. Kenny Marchant [R, TX-24]
          o Rep. James Marshall [D, GA-8]
          o Rep. Eric Massa [D, NY-29]
          o Rep. Jim Matheson [D, UT-2]
          o Rep. Michael McCaul [R, TX-10]
          o Rep. Thaddeus McCotter [R, MI-11]
          o Rep. Howard McKeon [R, CA-25]
          o Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers [R, WA-5]
          o Rep. Kendrick Meek [D, FL-17]
          o Rep. Charles Melancon [D, LA-3]
          o Rep. John Mica [R, FL-7]
          o Rep. Michael Michaud [D, ME-2]
          o Rep. Jeff Miller [R, FL-1]
          o Rep. Candice Miller [R, MI-10]
          o Rep. Walter Minnick [D, ID-1]
          o Rep. Dennis Moore [D, KS-3]
          o Rep. Jerry Moran [R, KS-1]
          o Rep. Randy Neugebauer [R, TX-19]
          o Rep. Pete Olson [R, TX-22]
          o Rep. Ronald Paul [R, TX-14]
          o Rep. Erik Paulsen [R, MN-3]
          o Rep. Mike Pence [R, IN-6]
          o Rep. Thomas Petri [R, WI-6]
          o Rep. Joseph Pitts [R, PA-16]
          o Rep. Todd Platts [R, PA-19]
          o Rep. Bill Posey [R, FL-15]
          o Rep. Adam Putnam [R, FL-12]
          o Rep. Mike Quigley [D, IL-5]
          o Rep. George Radanovich [R, CA-19]
          o Rep. Dennis Rehberg [R, MT-0]
          o Rep. Dave Reichert [R, WA-8]
          o Rep. Phil Roe [R, TN-1]
          o Rep. Michael Rogers [R, MI-8]
          o Rep. Harold Rogers [R, KY-5]
          o Rep. Michael Rogers [R, AL-3]
          o Rep. Thomas Rooney [R, FL-16]
          o Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R, FL-18]
          o Rep. Mike Ross [D, AR-4]
          o Rep. Paul Ryan [R, WI-1]
          o Rep. Mark Schauer [D, MI-7]
          o Rep. Jean Schmidt [R, OH-2]
          o Rep. Peter Sessions [R, TX-32]
          o Rep. John Shadegg [R, AZ-3]
          o Rep. John Shimkus [R, IL-19]
          o Rep. Heath Shuler [D, NC-11]
          o Rep. Michael Simpson [R, ID-2]
          o Rep. Christopher Smith [R, NJ-4]
          o Rep. Lamar Smith [R, TX-21]
          o Rep. Adam Smith [D, WA-9]
          o Rep. Mark Souder [R, IN-3]
          o Rep. Jackie Speier [D, CA-12]
          o Rep. Clifford Stearns [R, FL-6]
          o Rep.[b] John Sullivan[/b] [R, OK-1]
          o Rep. Gene Taylor [D, MS-4]
          o Rep. Lee Terry [R, NE-2]
          o Rep. C. Thompson [D, CA-1]
          o Rep. Glenn Thompson [R, PA-5]
          o Rep. William Thornberry [R, TX-13]
          o Rep. Todd Tiahrt [R, KS-4]
          o Rep. Patrick Tiberi [R, OH-12]
          o Rep. Michael Turner [R, OH-3]
          o Rep. Frederick Upton [R, MI-6]
          o Rep. Greg Walden [R, OR-2]
          o Rep. Timothy Walz [D, MN-1]
          o Rep. Zach Wamp [R, TN-3]
          o Rep. Lynn Westmoreland [R, GA-3]
          o Rep. Edward Whitfield [R, KY-1]
          o Rep. Addison Wilson [R, SC-2]
          o Rep. Rob Wittman [R, VA-1]
          o Rep. Frank Wolf [R, VA-10]
          o Rep. Donald Young [R, AK-0]
          o Rep. C. W. Young [R, FL-10]
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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2009, 07:22:48 pm »

So is Michelle Bachmann's and a host of other people I have no respect for. Burn baby burn.
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2009, 10:14:42 am »

Very; Simple the books of Moses contain the 10 commandants.  The constitution contains 7 commandments.  Both has required millions of pages of interpretation since Washington appointed the first chief justice who began the interpretation which was to become the law of the land.  Which is estimated that it requires ˝ of the worlds license attorneys to challenge even the simplest parts.

As for the court composition of life time appointments of attorneys it is extending the long practices of the fox guarding the hen house.  China, in its new birth of reincarnating their once world power, requires the courts to include among their judges person without law training.   This should be incorporated with the limiting of terms as being a direct representation of the citizenry of all classes as we become a nation of class divisions .   


Good luck arguing that in a court of law. It might be good for laughs, if nothing else.
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