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Rico
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« on: November 23, 2004, 07:47:00 am »

I thought this possibly worthy of mention.....

http://www.kotv.com/main/home/stories/.asp?whichpage=1&id=73041


 With all of the conflict between The Chamber of Commerce and City Hall, it would seem they could all agree on one thing. Tulsa needs to get the Police Department back to full force...

The fact that we are rated as the most dangerous City in Oklahoma is one of the facts that the Chamber gives, or  
in other Cities gives, to potential residents and investors.

This is something that needs to be fixed.........
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Juan Mad Okie
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2004, 08:13:03 am »

quote:
Originally posted by Rico


This is something that needs to be fixed.........




Government's primary role is Protection and Infrastructure... Tulsa fails at both
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jdb
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2004, 09:09:18 am »

"possibly worthy of mention"

I think it's a safe bet there are many people mentioning this to themselves and re-questioning their interest in living or doing business here.

Another National poke in the eye [B)]

http://www.morganquitno.com/index.htm
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Juan Mad Okie
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2004, 09:25:19 am »

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Originally posted by jdb

"possibly worthy of mention"

I think it's a safe bet there are many people mentioning this to themselves and re-questioning their interest in living or doing business here.

Another National poke in the eye [B)]

http://www.morganquitno.com/index.htm



Im looking at buying a house here... but after that report, and various other things going on around town, Ive also restarting looking out of Tulsa and the state in general.
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2004, 09:28:15 am »

Well, if you read the article and go to the site, Tulsa is the most dangerous of five cities in Oklahoma, in other words, we have higher crime than OKC. BA and Norman are the safest and Lawton is in the middle, so of the two large urban centers we miss out, we should do better.

But a national black eye? Huh? We are not on the 25 safest or 25 most dangerous cites or metro lists, so we are somewhere in the middle of both. What a national black eye!
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jdb
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2004, 09:57:01 am »

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But a national black eye? Huh?



What don't you get about a National survey, ranking the Nation, and publishing the findings on a National level?

Big difference from some factoid in the pages of Tulsa Urban.

True enough, Tulsa didn't make the top 25 (and last week our "dumb state" rating was only 40th in the Nation) but there is always next year: and as the trend suggests - that may become a safe bet too.

If you dig into the numbers, we look worse then L.A. but lack the Ocean view. But having a view is moot while suffering a poke in the eye.

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Juan Mad Okie
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2004, 10:39:24 am »

quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by swake

But a national black eye? Huh?



What don't you get about a National survey, ranking the Nation, and publishing the findings on a National level?

Big difference from some factoid in the pages of Tulsa Urban.

True enough, Tulsa didn't make the top 25 (and last week our "dumb state" rating was only 40th in the Nation) but there is always next year: and as the trend suggests - that may become a safe bet too.

If you dig into the numbers, we look worse then L.A. but lack the Ocean view. But having a view is moot while suffering a poke in the eye.






what was the report last week that had us drop from 84(ish) to 170something concerning being business friendly (I think)...
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2004, 10:58:06 am »

Job growth and retention.

It's been in the crapper lately, oddly about the same time the council decided to go to war with the chamber.

Hmmm
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Juan Mad Okie
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2004, 11:10:42 am »

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Job growth and retention.

It's been in the crapper lately, oddly about the same time the council decided to go to war with the chamber.

Hmmm



also about the same time we vote in Vision 2025, & start promoting the lottery and Casino gambling... hmmm
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rwarn17588
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2004, 11:19:50 am »

A few points:

-- It's obvious the downturn in the local economy has fueled a lot of this. I know some want to blame the local chamber, but in essence a perfect storm of hit three big local employers all at once for varying reasons. To blame the current council seems a bit specious. The current council's squabbling and dumb ideas certainly don't help, but it's hardly the only factor.

-- I'm surprised Muskogee wasn't included on the list. It's a decent-sized town, and I've heard a lot of anecdotal evidence that its crime is worse than the other five cities on the list.

-- Tulsa's poor rating is undoubtedly fueled from a very poor 2003, when its murder rate hit an all-time high. It's already improved from that in 2004.

-- I don't feel less safe in Tulsa than any other Rust Belt city in the Midwest. I could name you many areas in towns that give me the willies far more: north St. Louis, East St. Louis, central Rock Island, Moline, Decatur, Peoria, Milwaukee, north Champaign, east Springfield, Ill., Detroit (duh), Cairo, Ill., near-downtown Rockford, Damon Avenue and many other parts of Chicago. The worst I've seen by far is the tiny little burg of Venice, Ill., near St. Louis, with nearby Washington Park close behind.
   But many of these towns or their surrounding suburbs are growing. That's because the locals know it's not the town, it's the neighborhoods that are important in figuring out where to live. Armed with a map and some crime stats, we figured out where we wanted to live when we moved here and where to stay away. We picked Red Fork, which has very low crime, good housing values and is quiet. I'd visited Tulsa many times and liked it. I wasn't going to let minor chickensh*t fears keep me from here. I've got a few dogs, a baseball bat and a karate-trained wife for protection. I feel no less safe than my old home in Belleville, Ill.
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Chicken Little
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2004, 12:15:00 pm »

Wasn't the DOJ supposed to help us out?  Anybody heard any reports on this?

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/az/azpress/2004/2004-117.pdf
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2004, 01:17:28 pm »

The federal Government sent Tulsa a couple of federal agents to help with crime.  As you can guess, it hasn't helped much. However, what the federal government has done to really help is take the criminal cases from Tulsa County and put them in Federal court if the charges are gun/drug charges or some other violent criminal acts.

Along those same lines, Doesn't it make you feel proud that the Tulsa Police Department is the lowest paid police department and is currently down by over 100 officers and the city has the highest crime rate.

We should all call and thank the Mayor!
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Chicken Little
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2004, 01:41:36 pm »

Thanks MH.

Just think how much worse it would be if they didn't have the FOP.  Organized labor, friend of the working man.  
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sendoff
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2004, 08:27:18 pm »

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oddly about the same time the council decided to go to war with the chamber.


And not so oddly, another incorrect statement.

From Tulsa’s ranking falls in national job index

"Researchers used data, primarily from the federal government, through 2003."

http://www.tulsaworld.com/TWPDFs/2004/Final/a_1_11_17_2004.PDF

Before the current city council ====> blame the status quo before 4/2004.
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Juan Mad Okie
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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2004, 08:57:38 pm »

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quote:
oddly about the same time the council decided to go to war with the chamber.


And not so oddly, another incorrect statement.

From Tulsa’s ranking falls in national job index

"Researchers used data, primarily from the federal government, through 2003."

http://www.tulsaworld.com/TWPDFs/2004/Final/a_1_11_17_2004.PDF

Before the current city council ====> blame the status quo before 4/2004.



there you go trying to shove facts into the argument...
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