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« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2009, 10:10:36 am » |
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So are kegs available direct from the brewery? Come BBQ season...
No due to Oklahoma law, I cannot sell anything direct to the public. The only people I can sell to are licensed Oklahoma wholesalers. Which means you have to buy them from liquor stores. Sorry!
That's stupid.
Is the industry lobbying against this much?
How long have you lived here? It's been like that for YEARS!
I understand, but does anyone lobby against it?
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« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2009, 11:28:15 am » |
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So I got bored yesterday while the wife was watching TV so I converted the background image from the website into a wallpaper. It only fits a smaller monitor with 1024x768 resolution but its better than nothing. Hopefully Eric and Cubic don't mind me using their image. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3119/3222256481_0fcdd261f0_o.jpg |
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« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2009, 01:19:15 pm » |
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So are kegs available direct from the brewery? Come BBQ season...
No due to Oklahoma law, I cannot sell anything direct to the public. The only people I can sell to are licensed Oklahoma wholesalers. Which means you have to buy them from liquor stores. Sorry!
That's stupid.
Is the industry lobbying against this much?
How long have you lived here? It's been like that for YEARS!
I understand, but does anyone lobby against it?
People do lobby, but the legislature is tied up with neo-teetotalers who want nothing to do with bills that involve alcohol. Sad, but true. |
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« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2009, 03:26:04 pm » |
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Not when the big beer makers are for the laws currently as is. Some have tried before but it never gets anywhere.
Eh, if a bill could be passed in Arkansas (15 years ago!) that allows small local breweries to sell direct, it could be done in Oklahoma. |
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« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2009, 03:37:41 pm » |
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Dark, Amber, Bitter, Malty, Strong or not so strong... At least Tulsa is becomming aware that there are more choices than MillerCoorsBud Light.
I hope that when Marshall becomes well enough established that he will be able to do some limited/specialty runs of beer such as the Boulevard Smokestack series and the likes of Avery's Mephistopheles' Stout(15.92% ABV & $8.00/12 oz bottle for you strong beer nuts). For now, he seems to be doing a good job establishing a core product line. Keep buying the core products and I expect some of the specialty brews will come.
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« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2009, 07:50:05 pm » |
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Oklahoma alcohol laws are amazingly stupid. No point to any of the following:
1) No sales in grocery stores
2) Nos ales on Sunday
3) No direct sales even with permit
4) No "mixer" sales at liqueur stores
5) Pretty much everything with beer and wine production
6) 3 tier distribution
Generally, the voters are too stupid to understand what alcohol is. Unlike people in 40+ of the other states we can't handle pop AND alcohol at the same store. And we, for some reason, need producers to give it to distributors to hand it to a store before we can safely buy it.
And Sundays. Oh man Sundays. We'd all be alcoholics if we could get wine on Sundays. It's the only day alcoholics forget to buy their vodka. They shake and go through withdrawals all day Sunday because they can't help but be sober.
OR... people who abuse alcohol and kids who shouldn't have it get as much as they damn well please and responsible adults are punished by paying more, being inconvenienced, and having our selection limited.
Stupid. Welcome to the 1950's in the rest of the nation.
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« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2009, 08:36:07 pm » |
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The liquor laws in Oklahoma would almost make you think the liquor distribution channels are run by the mob like they were when Oklahoma was still dry.
I just returned from OKC. I was talking to the owner of the Red Dirt store in Bricktown and mentioned it was a shame he couldn't sell beer. If you aren't familiar with the store, it's an all-Oklahoma product line and is operated by the fellow that has the river boat concession in the canal.
At any rate, one of his buddy's is starting a brewery in OKC, with first kegs supposed to be out in March and bottles by May. Apparently they will have an Imperial Stout. Now we can look forward to a few months from now when Inteller is telling us Oklahoma-made Imperial Stout is inferior. [}:)]
And, FYI, I'm enjoying a bottle of Sunset Wheat as we speak.
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« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2009, 08:38:09 pm » |
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The liquor laws in Oklahoma would almost make you think the liquor distribution channels are run by the mob like they were when Oklahoma was still dry.
I just returned from OKC. I was talking to the owner of the Red Dirt store in Bricktown and mentioned it was a shame he couldn't sell beer. If you aren't familiar with the store, it's an all-Oklahoma product line and is operated by the fellow that has the river boat concession in the canal.
At any rate, one of his buddy's is starting a brewery in OKC, with first kegs supposed to be out in March and bottles by May. Apparently they will have an Imperial Stout. Now we can look forward to a few months from now when Inteller is telling us Oklahoma-made Imperial Stout is inferior. [}:)]
And, FYI, I'm enjoying a bottle of Sunset Wheat as we speak.
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« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2009, 09:09:14 am » |
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The liquor laws in Oklahoma would almost make you think the liquor distribution channels are run by the mob like they were when Oklahoma was still dry.
I just returned from OKC. I was talking to the owner of the Red Dirt store in Bricktown and mentioned it was a shame he couldn't sell beer. If you aren't familiar with the store, it's an all-Oklahoma product line and is operated by the fellow that has the river boat concession in the canal.
At any rate, one of his buddy's is starting a brewery in OKC, with first kegs supposed to be out in March and bottles by May. Apparently they will have an Imperial Stout. Now we can look forward to a few months from now when Inteller is telling us Oklahoma-made Imperial Stout is inferior. [}:)]
And, FYI, I'm enjoying a bottle of Sunset Wheat as we speak.
You mean Sundown Wheat, or some other brew?
Sundown, Sunset...whatever. [  ] You are correct, must've been on my 2nd or third bottle when I posted that. |
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« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2009, 09:20:02 am » |
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The liquor laws in Oklahoma would almost make you think the liquor distribution channels are run by the mob like they were when Oklahoma was still dry.
I just returned from OKC. I was talking to the owner of the Red Dirt store in Bricktown and mentioned it was a shame he couldn't sell beer. If you aren't familiar with the store, it's an all-Oklahoma product line and is operated by the fellow that has the river boat concession in the canal.
At any rate, one of his buddy's is starting a brewery in OKC, with first kegs supposed to be out in March and bottles by May. Apparently they will have an Imperial Stout. Now we can look forward to a few months from now when Inteller is telling us Oklahoma-made Imperial Stout is inferior. [}:)]
And, FYI, I'm enjoying a bottle of Sunset Wheat as we speak.
You mean Sundown Wheat, or some other brew?
Sundown, Sunset...whatever. []
You are correct, must've been on my 2nd or third bottle when I posted that.
Ha! I figured as much. Did the same to me when I was drinking them. |
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« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2009, 05:22:05 pm » |
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Not when the big beer makers are for the laws currently as is. Some have tried before but it never gets anywhere.
Eh, if a bill could be passed in Arkansas (15 years ago!) that allows small local breweries to sell direct, it could be done in Oklahoma.
I think that would be a great start - allowing Oklahoma based breweries to sell direct. If Oklahoma allowed grocery stores to stock alcohol, that would pretty much doom liquor stores. But the convenience of having it all in one place would trump this setback. It would be interesting to see how existing stores reworked their layout to fit alcohol. In other states, the liquor section is a pretty significant section of the store. |
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« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2009, 07:02:48 pm » |
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I don't think liquor stores would be doomed if alcohol sales were allowed in grocery stores. In several states where I have lived they existed, Florida, California, Oregon, Louisiana all have both liquor in grocery stores and liquor stores. There are some pretty poor liquor stores in Tulsa and would not be missed if alcohol was sold in Food Pyramid stores.
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« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2009, 08:18:35 pm » |
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I just had Marshall's pilsner on tap at The Boundary tonight. It was terrific, as usual for the brand. Can't wait for it to show up in bottles.
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« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2009, 08:40:48 am » |
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I think that would be a great start - allowing Oklahoma based breweries to sell direct. If Oklahoma allowed grocery stores to stock alcohol, that would pretty much doom liquor stores. But the convenience of having it all in one place would trump this setback. It would be interesting to see how existing stores reworked their layout to fit alcohol. In other states, the liquor section is a pretty significant section of the store.
Other states still have liquor stores. Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Illinois, New Mexico, Minnesota, Wisconsin - all have regular liquor laws that Reasor's could have an alcohol section. But I've been to a liquor store in each of those states. It's just competition and good liquor stores would still do well. FURTHERMORE - who cares? Sorry for the people that own that business, but laws should not be in place to restrict the public in order to artificially prop up a business. Perhaps they could make deals to move in-house at Reasors or where ever. Maybe they'd have to offer better service, selection, location, prices (or like Ranch Acres, keep offering good service, great selection, and a willingness to try and get any product you can think of) - you know, compete. A law that does nothing but protect existing business from competition is harmful to the majority of the population. |
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« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2009, 09:14:26 am » |
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I don't think liquor stores would be doomed if alcohol sales were allowed in grocery stores. In several states where I have lived they existed, Florida, California, Oregon, Louisiana all have both liquor in grocery stores and liquor stores. There are some pretty poor liquor stores in Tulsa and would not be missed if alcohol was sold in Food Pyramid stores.
Louisiana has beer and wine sales in grocery stores but Liquor is still carried in a separate store (although most times next door) Of course you can also buy alcoholic drinks in a drive through, so we don't necessarily want to copy from Louisiana. |
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