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Does anyone know when the City plans to replant the rose bushes in Woodward Park?  I went by there today and it was completely barren.  I know they a disease wiped them out a few years ago.  Sad to see it in this condition, it used to be beautiful with tons of roses and several fountains.

So, it's been a while since I was a bartender in Tulsa, Bush 41 was prez.

Back then, the two places I worked at, Doolittle's on North Sheridan in 1989 and Speeds Billiards at 49th & Memorial in 1990/1991, and for the most part it was up to our discretion as to who we ID'd. At Doolittle's it was never really an issue, it was strictly 21 and up, and when it did happen they were politely shown the door. I was going to school at Spartan and it was well known that they wouldn't serve under 21.

Speeds was a bit different because we allowed 18 in but they couldn't drink, and if there was any doubt they were ID'd. On Friday and Saturday were different yet because we didn't allow under 21 in after 10 PM and we actually had someone checking at the door. That was company policy. The problems we had on those two days was, in the same parking lot was an 18 and up country bar called Bronco's. They only served beer and we were a full bar so we would have people come over and do shots and then go back and people under 21 would try to sneak in with friends. We actually had a good relationship with the staff there and one of their door people would come over and tell us what stamp was being used to identify under 21 people.

As far as out of state ID's both places had a book with images of all 50 states DL's, Passport identification, military ID, and some foreign DL's. Speeds even had an employee handbook on what to watch for when checking DL's. The main thing then was a lot of states still used laminated DL's and policy was "If the lamination is split we could not accept it, and if we suspected it was fake we were told to keep it and if necessary call the police.

At both places we hated it when the ABLE "storm troopers" showed up for a spot check. I don't remember anyone I worked with getting cited or the business being cited, and I never got cited. They showed up at Doolittle's a couple times because they were told employees were drinking, not straw testing, drinking behind the bar. At Speeds we had a near disaster because they showed up and the boss hadn't posted the new business liquor license, fortunately he and the new license were there and they just said okay and left after everything else checked out.   

The Oklahoma only DL smells like someone at ABLE that is power tripping (not surprised). I got carded at Hard Rock two years ago and Boulder Grill in 2017 no one told me that an Arizona, and Oregon in 2017, license wouldn't be accepted.

[current Oklahoma Drivers License]

Its been a few years, but I was told flat out by ABLE agents doing "bar compliance checks" that only a current Oklahoma Drivers License is valad for the purchase of alcoholic beverages; expired ones arent valid

So, if you have an out of state friend/relative they wouldn't meet the requirements.  How sad.

Darn, I thought maybe Smoot had been caught with a couple of 15 year old male cheerleaders when I saw this thread was active again.

State law doesn't require ID for alcohol purchase, ABLE says
OKLAHOMA CITY — Odell, a constituent from Oklahoma’s 101st District, is 89 years old and would like to be able to buy a beer without having to show his ID. “He’ll be 90 in a month,” explained Rep. Robert Manger, R-Oklahoma City. “So he’s been over 21 for a while now.”

Odell came to Manger with his concerns about ID requirements after a restaurant refused to sell him a beer when he didn’t have his ID. And so Manger wrote House Bill 3571, titled “Odell’s Law,” to clarify the rules.

Odell’s Law would prohibit the government from requiring the verification of age through ID before serving alcohol. This bill would not prohibit checking ID and restates that it is illegal to sell alcohol to anyone under the age of 21.
“The law is not exactly clear. So I thought, let’s make it clear,” Manger said.

Lori Carter, assistant director and general counsel for the Alcoholic Beverage Laws Enforcement Commission, said this is already how the statute is interpreted.
“ABLE will never cite anyone for failing to get identification from someone who wants to purchase an alcoholic beverage,” said Carter. “The … statutory violation comes when they sell to a minor, someone who’s under 21 years of age, so they will get cited for selling to a minor.”

Brandon Clabes, director of the ABLE Commission, began the job in October 2022. Clabes and new staff members, including Carter, have been going over the statutes ABLE enforces.
“We’ve kind of gone back through and looked at the way the agency previously handled some things,” said Carter. “We found that some of those practices were not in accordance with our interpretation of the law, but they were allowed to go on.”

https://tulsaworld.com/news/state-regional/government-politics/state-law-doesnt-require-id-for-alcohol-purchase-able-says/article_6a4a3bc0-ead3-11ee-9ed7-4f3d16692564.html

Its been a few years, but I was told flat out by ABLE agents doing "bar compliance checks" that only a current Oklahoma Drivers License is valad for the purchase of alcoholic beverages; expired ones arent valid... as if you suddenly got younger when your DL expires.
This, as ABLE and TPD went from one gray-haired person after another demanding ID to prove they had a right to be in a bar.

When agents raided two sites one morning last April and a tenant called He, she rushed to the property to confront them and demand a search warrant, court records say. What happened next, He said, felt like retaliation for challenging the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics.

That evening, a well-armed team of agents showed up at her house with another search warrant. The warrant shows it was requested by agents after the confrontation with He at her business and was signed by a judge only minutes before the raid on her house that night.

The agents “snatched her up, left her kids there, took her to jail and didn’t release her until the following morning. And they never filed a single charge,” Ross said. “Why in God’s name are they going after her? This is out of control.”

https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/a-marijuana-boom-led-her-to-oklahoma-then-anti-drug-agents-seized-her-money-and-raided-her-home/

Midtown residents in Tulsa Public School Board District 5 face a choice between keeping current representative John Croisant in office or replacing him with retired TPS administrator Teresa Peña during an April 2 election. Early voting is set for March 28 and 29 at the Tulsa County Election Board.

Croisant, the only incumbent running for reelection in three TPS races, has campaigned largely on touting district improvements made during his tenure. But Croisant has also faced questions about district management during his tenure, including the embezzlement of $603,992 by former TPS administrator Devin Fletcher.

Peña’s campaign has focused on her decades of experience working in TPS and her work teaching English as a second language to students and parents. Citing her experience, Peña has advocated for a stronger voice for non-English speaking parents on the Board.
But allegations that she has been endorsed by the chairwoman of the Tulsa chapter of Moms for Liberty — a controversial organization simultaneously praised and criticized for trying to pull books with mature content from school libraries — have trailed Peña throughout her campaign.

More: https://nondoc.com/2024/03/27/tulsa-school-board-district-5-incumbent-croisant-faces-challenge-from-pena/

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We begged them to bury the lines on Cherry Street during the rebuild and they said it was too expensive. Glad Brookside is getting it, but what a waste to not do it on Cherry Street.

Yeah I'm not looking forward to the process, but very much looking forward to the results.

Burying the power lines will make that whole area look so much nicer.

Do you happen to know if the street rehab will include and major changes? Like I recalling what they did with Cherry Street, moving it from 2 lanes on each side to one and adding the slanted parking. Is something like that happening in Brookside or are they just keeping the same configuration but repairing it?

It's also a bummer to hear that a few of the bigger developments are stalled, but hopefully they will get going again soon.

Other than power line burial, I don’t know what they’re planning on Peoria but I’d be surprised if they make major changes to lane configurations - it’s still a major arterial. But I’ve been surprised before.

I agree the slowdown is a bummer but it will come back. The property values are going up too fast.