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Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: Rico on February 17, 2008, 08:26:48 pm http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=7882124
A man was shot overnight on Saturday at a downtown nightclub in Tulsa and pronounced dead shortly after fleeing the scene. Tulsa Police say it started as a fight at The Hive, located at 216 N. Elgin. The victim, 23-year-old Phillip Ryan Greer, was initially forced to leave the club after getting into a fight. But, Police say he went back to the club and was shot by a security guard just outside the doorway of The Hive around 2:30 a.m. Police say security claims they shot Greer in self-defense. Club employees say Greer charged at them and others outside the club with his SUV. That's when security guards say they shot Greer who then drove off. Police later found Greer dead inside his vehicle near 5th and Main. The Tulsa Police Department is investigating the shooting. Question...? This nightclub is one of the Clubs that allows teens in. Is this Club connected to Kitchell? If so, why are law enforcement allowing this thug to dictate the news from Downtown? If not.... what is a boucer doing with a pistol.? Just for oncoming traffic? Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: Conan71 on February 18, 2008, 01:01:12 am I don't think Kitchell has ever had his slimy tentacles on that one, could be wrong though.
Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: inteller on February 18, 2008, 06:51:32 am But but....crime downtown is low! Tulsa World (on fire) said so!
Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: sgrizzle on February 18, 2008, 08:14:20 am quote: So you're saying "liar, liar world on fire?" Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: perspicuity85 on February 18, 2008, 03:24:43 pm This isn't a downtown problem, it's the loophole in the city ordinance that allows clubs to stay open past 2 a.m. Call your city councilor and tell them to stop talking about changing the ordinance and do it. Light a fire under them.
The quality of the downtown experience is mostly affected by where you go. I doubt the average clientele at McNellie's carries a firearm with them on a night out. And you won't find those obnoxious drunkass rednecks at the Continental because they think that place is as they put it "fer faggots." I personally don't set foot in those 18 and up clubs because I don't want to hang out with those trashy wanna-be gangster guys that lurk around, realizing with every drink how much more incredibly lame and unattractive to the opposite sex they are. Then, sometime after 2 a.m., they reach that boiling point where they want to fight everybody. That must sound pretty biased and elitist, but I guarantee you my perception is not unique. Change the city ordinance so the sketchy people don't kill the slowly-but-surely emerging downtown vibe. Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: Conan71 on February 18, 2008, 03:51:48 pm Persp- I think you are pretty close on the reasoning.
I figure fewer bad things can happen to me the earlier I head home for the night. Not much good ever seems to happen to me at 2am when alcohol is involved. Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: FOTD on February 18, 2008, 03:53:39 pm Downtown is a ghost town. How TulsaWorld can spin a story. Of course there's less crime there. But these stories magnify the problem of the country's number one drug abuse. It's a bar district despite the paperboys, lieyers, and bank dicks.
Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: we vs us on February 18, 2008, 08:09:37 pm The title of this post made me think they were shooting a movie called "The Hive" around downtown.
Turns out, that's not what it is at all. [V] Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: xzyzyx on February 18, 2008, 11:32:35 pm Wow are you some kind of supporter of that forgotten a counsel member or you actually her. Sometime in the early 90's after hours were obliviated by one stupid law to deter minors from attending after hour bars meanwhile us Adults (18 or over) suffered the consequence. People will be victims of violence, Loss of life will occur but to blame it on one after hour club is just an ignorant statement. I mean would you like for all people to stop driving after the hour of midnight cause that is where allot of shootings happen. Are you really going to blame a simple club that provides ADULTS with a place of enjoyment just because some dumbass wants to start a fight? Really?????? Well maybe you should give me your address so I know where I need to go when the clubs shut down. Adults shouldn't be told when it is time to stop having a good time, but this way their not driving to your house. Self defense is a defense in case you didn’t know that, and in case you were ill-informed as the circumstances of this case I suggest you educate yourself before you decide that after hour bars are a nuisance. I mean, you do believe in the freedom of expression right???Or are you a Fanciest? A commie or just a Baptist please tell me I’m dying for your reply. This crime happened at 2:30; tell me what being open after hours has anything to do with this crime? The bouncers would have still been there the clientele would have still been out side doing what they do. Don't imply that this was a product of being open past 2am because... Well that just shows that you are once again ill informed. Step back look at the big picture and make changes that count!
quote: Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: TURobY on February 19, 2008, 07:20:48 am Several cities have after-hours clubs. I don't understand why we can't.
Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: EricP on February 19, 2008, 11:31:13 am quote: I guess Tulsans just can't handle their liquor? And by liquor, I mean god awful 3-point beer that they STILL can't handle.. Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: Conan71 on February 19, 2008, 11:36:08 am I was reading in the Tulsa World that the bar owner and his brother were the apparent shooters, both conceal-carry holders.
Here's where this could get sticky. The law prohibits being in possession of a firearm where liquor is served. Anyone care to clarify how this applies to a bar owner? I'm feeling a little too lazy to look it up at the moment. Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: Conan71 on February 19, 2008, 11:41:29 am quote: I can somewhat see your point. However, there are a number of laws which are designed with the intent of protecting the general good of the public from people who don't know when it's time to stop. I believe there are still after hours clubs which don't serve any alcohol, so what's the problem? If people really feel the need to drink into the wee hours, they should do that at home. I used to look at this much in the way you do. Having a close family memeber killed by a drunk driver who had just left a bar pretty much changed that perspective for me. Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: swake on February 19, 2008, 11:49:00 am quote: It's the after hours all ages thing that needs to go. Don't worry little camper "Legs and Eggs" at Cloud Nine won't be banned... Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: we vs us on February 19, 2008, 12:17:09 pm quote: Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: groundhog on February 20, 2008, 10:34:17 am The Hive club owners have myspace pages. Here's a recent blog post by "Jess J” aka “Jesse J Jones Jr." who I'm guessing is related to Jermaine Jones. The Jones brothers are apparently also affiliated with DBBS Entertainment. They have a website: http://DBBSENT.com
(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2006/jjgv3.jpg) Monday, February 04, 2008 Big Ups to All My Haters Current mood: strong Category: Life Whats good myspace, You know every now & then I feel the need to express myself with whatever's going on in my life at the time. So I thought I'd give you the opportunity to do the same. A wiseman once said that "If people hatin on you, you must be doing something right". I must be doing alot of things right, cause there is alot of hatin goin on these days. This blog is for all my haters. I welcome all negative comments to this blog. Don't shake my hand and smile in my face for an hour. Then I hear some bull**** about you the next day. I'm a grown man. I take being real extremely serious. You'll never hear me say nothing about anybody, unless I already said it to that person's face, or that person is present. Let me know what it is. It might be a problem wit our club. Maybe the 800 people we had saturday wasn't enough. Guess we have to get 1000 this week.... Maybe the prices too high at the liquor store. We don't really own it anyway, we just be there alot..... I know what it is, my music is wac. I don't make enough booty poppin music. Or my beats aint tight enough...... It could be that I charge to much for studio time..... I almost forgot, my watch is fake. I don't own my cars. I just been borrowing em for a year now..... I finally figured it out. Somebody else writes my raps. Damn you caught me..... Its not true, your baby mama really doesn't like me. She just wants to make you jealous...... Thats what I'm sayin, we be stealing those limos. How could I possibly afford a stretch Escalade or Hummer every week for six months straight...... I know, that money I'm holding in that pic is fake. I got it out of a monopoly game....... We don't wait in lines at clubs cause we big and the bouncers scared of us........ That really isn't Don Rose & Cristal we drinking. We just fill the same bottles up every week with Boone's Farm......... Dog, you've never been more right. My music isn't good at all. The crowd just cheers louder for me because we own the club........I know we broke, we can't fight, and *****es really don't like us, we just tricks..... Which one is it? Or is it all of the above? Haters please speak out!!! There isn't anything wrong with having a problem. There is something wrong when your sack isn't big enough to express yourself. I'm making it easy on you. Insert hate here...... I promise I won't delete it. Let everybody know. If your nuts aint big enough to say it to me, keep your mouth shut when speaking on real niggas. -Jess J http://www.myspace.com/jessjjones The Hive's myspace is located at: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=214302408 The various Jones brothers' pages are listed at the top of the Hive's "friends" box. If you don't have a myspace ID, you'll need to sign up for a free account to view photos. [EDIT 4:20 1/20/08 -- The Hive's MySpace Friend list has now been modified to remove the Jones family boys from the friend list. "Jess J" and "Tug Jones" have also removed each other from their friends list. What are they trying to hide?] Based on new information, Jermaine Jones is known as "Buc Vet" in local boxing circles. Here's a couple of snaps of him from his myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/bucvet79 (http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2176/bucvetwg8.jpg) (http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4482/bucvet2mx2.jpg) Another Jones brother, who could possibly be David Jones, has a myspace site under "Tug Jones" at http://www.myspace.com/tugjones (http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/268/tugah3.jpg) Nice looking group of brothers. Looks like the type of folks genuinely concerned about the safety of others, don't they? (http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/2100/jonesdj4.jpg) Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: Conan71 on February 20, 2008, 11:26:42 am I've never understood the attraction of people wanting to hang with the gangsta crowd.
Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: grahambino on February 21, 2008, 11:36:20 am quote: i agree with you. that being said, i think that picture of the dude holding a stack of bills might have something to do w/ it. Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: groundhog on February 22, 2008, 04:31:16 pm There is some mildly interesting drabble on Jermaine Jones a.k.a. Buc Vet at the following link: http://www.topix.com/forum/boxing/super-middleweight/TPOGCSB646OVGV658
It's also interesting to note that "Jess J" (the guy pictured with the money) has since deleted his blog titled "Big Ups to All My Haters" posted above from his myspace site. One of his friends also recently commented about the switch of his "top friend" list to random people. Why did he change his top friends? "Buc Vet" a.k.a "Jermaine Jones" hasn't checked his myspace page for over a week, while the other Jones brothers check it daily. Why did Jess J remove the blog about haters (and his liquor store)? Why did he change the Hive myspace "top friends"? Is Jess J trying to cover something up? Is Buc Vet on the run? Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: danno on February 24, 2008, 02:50:54 pm He probably doesn't want to have anything to do with it anymore.
Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: Apollo on February 25, 2008, 06:26:00 am Those guys don't care about anyone's safety. Same guys who were yelling for someone "go get my gun" in the ring after a small skirmish broke out in the ring after one of Allan Green's fights. Showtime dropped him because of it. They are cowards and wannabe "gangstas" who were looking for a reason to shoot someone and they found one. Any word on if they will be arrested?
Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: groundhog on February 25, 2008, 10:44:02 am The Hive was open for business Saturday night. Looks like ABLE paid them a little visit. I'm sure that there are additional violations are Jess J Jones' liquor store that he mentions in the blog that he deleted from myspace. Anyone know know the name of this liquor store is so I can be sure never to step near it?
From KTUL.com: Citations Issued At Nightclub Where Fatal Shooting Took Place posted 11:15 am Sun February 24, 2008 - Tulsa http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0208/498566.html The Alcoholic Beverages Laws Enforcement Commission has issued citations at a downtown Tulsa nightclub where a fatal shooting took place. More than $6,500 in fines have been given to representatives of The Hive. The fines were for violations of state liquor laws. Police are investigating whether the nightclub was legally open in the early morning hours of Feb. 16 when 23-year-old Phillip Greer was shot to death. Officers said club owner Jermaine Jones and his brother Larry Jones shot Greer as he was inside his sport utility vehicle and driving toward a crowd of people outside the bar. The brothers were questioned and released as the investigation continues. Another update from the Tulsa World was published Sunday: http://209.184.242.25/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080224_1_A1_spanc23306 Another update from the Tulsa World published Wednesday: http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080227_1_A9_hThen75322 Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: Conan71 on February 27, 2008, 10:37:03 am Somehow none of the new information in that article is a surprise. Probably amazing nothing has happened there prior to now. My stepson had played in a battle of the bands early last summer there, I believe that must have been before the Jones brothers bought it. Definitely a different clientele back then.
Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: TURobY on February 27, 2008, 10:41:27 am I went to a couple of EDM parties there about 3-4 years ago (I think it was still Curly's back then).
Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: Conan71 on February 27, 2008, 12:04:23 pm Pardon my relative ignorance, but what exactly does "OG" mean? Original Gangsta?
Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: grahambino on February 27, 2008, 12:16:27 pm quote: either that or Old Geezer. [:D] Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: Townsend on February 27, 2008, 01:40:14 pm quote: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OG OG 1014 up, 331 down Original Gangsta; the real-life definition of a street-level mentality; no remorse or concessions for a person's (or group's )behavior associated with violence, sex and crime. A way of life, of sorts, that doesn't provide explanations or apologies because this is the "reality" of aforementioned subjects. The rapper Ice-T coined this term globally with one of the defining albums of gangsta rap, O.G. Original Gangsta. O.G. can also apply to a first generation item or family name, i.e. George H.W. Bush = "O.G. Bush" "That motherfxxxxx is straight O.G---look at the way he took that bxxxx axx out." " "Straight muthaXXXXX O to the muthaXXXXX G, *****." "Stright O.G. out of Compton with a loose cannon, smoke big green call it Bruce Banner" Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: Conan71 on February 27, 2008, 02:00:20 pm Well thanks for setting my mutha****in' punk a$$ straight. Youz just OG yoself fo' givin' me the 411 homeboy. Here have a OE fohty on me:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/af/OE_800.JPG/300px-OE_800.JPG) Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: groundhog on February 27, 2008, 02:36:38 pm Phillip Greer's nickname was "Grimmy". I can't seem to find his myspace page, although his family identified him as an "entertainer" in his obituary. Has anyone else located it? I'm wondering if there was a connection between the Jones and Greer.
Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: Townsend on February 27, 2008, 03:34:30 pm quote: Yo yo yo Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: Conan71 on February 27, 2008, 04:15:19 pm quote: There are lots of wannabe "entertainers". Means they are sponging off someone else and making $50 a week spinning records at a club. Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: groundhog on February 28, 2008, 08:20:00 am quote: Yeah, I know. And most of them have free Myspace pages. Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: Im calling you out on February 28, 2008, 10:02:23 am what is the meaning behind the name the hive (in the owners mind?)
Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: YoungTulsan on February 28, 2008, 10:06:56 am quote: This is youth club and/or gang crime. It is crime, and worthy of attention, however - It does not make going out to dinner at Caz's Chowhouse a dangerous proposition. It is the type of crime you pretty much have no chance of being the victim of unless you are out at 2AM, and intoxicated - or out at 2AM walking through the ghetto in bright red or blue. The crimes that scare me are the ones that happen in broad daylight to people minding their own business. Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: YoungTulsan on February 28, 2008, 10:36:32 am quote: Make after hours 21 and up just like before 2AM then. You are defending the rights of adults who are not causing any trouble, so keeping the teens out shouldn't be a problem. Thats what happens at 2AM, they stop serving alcohol, and teenagers (who found plenty of ways to get intoxicated anyway) swarm upon the public gathering places that now legally let them in. Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: YoungTulsan on February 28, 2008, 10:40:51 am quote: When I see a picture like that, I'm pretty sure he is holding wads of 1 dollar bills, with one $100 on the bottom that can be seen. Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: perspicuity85 on February 29, 2008, 03:45:23 pm quote: Whoa I just read this! Ok, a communist? pancakes? Ok, McCarthy. Like I said in the very beginning, the quality of the downtown experience has to do with WHERE you go. The Hive and the Ministry of Sound attracted a sketchy clientele, as well as some non-sketchy clientele. To be clear, I don't think that the post 2 a.m. hours are the principle cause in these shootings. The sketchy people are the principle cause. However, I don't think it's responsible for the city to allow nightclubs to stay open past 2 a.m. when the regular bars have to close. The party ends for everyone but the clubs. Why shouldn't the clubs have to play by the same rules as every other bar? I like to party past 2 a.m. myself sometimes, but that doesn't mean it's socially responsible to allow everyone to party after 2 a.m. in in public. Let's face it, by 2 a.m. most people are pretty tanked, and they need to find a ride to their permanent evening location- whether they're going somewhere to party 'till they pass out, going home to sleep, or going home with someone they think seems attractive at the time[:D]. After 2 a.m. you also attract all the people that have been drinking at home all night home and then suddenly decide that driving to the club is a great idea. I've been to these clubs at 2 a.m., everyone showing up at that time is completely s**tfaced. In most major cities, there are nice clubs that are considered private because you have to purchase a full bottle of something from them at an outrageous price to be a member. Most of them are 21+ for men and 18+ for women. Yes, it sounds sexist, etc. The owners assume that males under 21 are usually the culprits in nightclub violence incidents. Unfortunately, this is just one of those horrible stereotypes that is frequently true. Having been a fraternity president at a large state school, I can tell you from experience that there is often a maturity lag in young men when compared to young women. How did I come to that conclusion- well it's all based on economics actually, but I don't want to get into it right now because it takes a long long time to explain. The bottom line is, when it comes to security and risk management, you can't take chances, even if there is an adverse impact and potential to piss off some people. The most important thing is the perception of safety in the minds of all the rule-abiding people that are just having a good time. If they feel safe, they will come back, and in Tulsa's situation, Downtown will have a positive perception. Title: "The Hive" shooting Downtown. Post by: groundhog on March 14, 2008, 03:28:15 pm (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o195/Specnatz/sign-hijack.gif)
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