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Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: tim huntzinger on December 12, 2007, 09:17:00 am I hope all those fussbudgets who gave AEP a hard time about trimming their trees are enjoying the cold! Of course, if AEP had been doing it right to begin with their customers would not have had to squeal like stuck pigs. A perfect storm of stoooopidity.
On the bright side, when they came last summer to trim my pecan, they were apologizing and real timid. I told them to have their way with it, they were like 'Really??' BTW, we kept our power . . . Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: inteller on December 12, 2007, 09:30:43 am quote: this cold isn't all that bad really. For the short time I was out I discovered that I sleep better in a cold house. the only disappointment that I have is that obviously burying powerlines doesn't matter a diddly damn if somewhere else on the circuit it is not buried. Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: Renaissance on December 12, 2007, 09:32:47 am For a person attempting to gain a local internet presence as provider of Tulsa news, that's a rather hateful statement for no good reason.
Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: Breadburner on December 12, 2007, 09:41:19 am Gimme da green box...heh...
Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: tim huntzinger on December 12, 2007, 10:01:53 am Floyd, it is troubling that Tulsans have left these killer trees unmolested for so long. What, two years ago two folk were killed in separate accidents by TREES. And what do they do for us? Just wave their stupid leaves for a few months, then clog our storm drains, falling granches on the chillllldren.
TREES. What are they good for? Absolutely nothing! Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: Chicken Little on December 12, 2007, 10:05:35 am quote:Most people do. Get yerself some pj's, a down comforter, and a programmable thermostat and you can cut your heating bills by 20%. Been doing it for years. My nightime temp is 62. Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: Chicken Little on December 12, 2007, 10:06:27 am quote:Maybe it's not the trees that need molesting, maybe it's PSO. Bury the lines. Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: spoonbill on December 12, 2007, 10:07:05 am We gotta band together against the trees. We have intelligence that this is part of a larger conspiracy!
I've been hearing chatter among my shrubs that the trees are planning a much larger attack. I've been trying to get a mole into the organization, but unfortunately, all of my moles are hibernating. Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: inteller on December 12, 2007, 10:14:39 am quote: burying doesn't do **** unless you bury the entire circuit. this was proven in my neighborhood. Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: tim huntzinger on December 12, 2007, 10:14:51 am They just stand around, looking allllll innocent, then WHAM when you least expect it, they strike!
Maples getting all ugly when they get old, pecans cantankerous, and do not get me started on the Bradford Pear weeds . . . Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: inteller on December 12, 2007, 10:25:58 am hey, the good news is though that the bradford pears downtown are largely decimated. Now it is time for the city to do the right thing and plant maples along Brady St.
Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: Chicken Little on December 12, 2007, 10:42:17 am quote:They could do the entire circuit with minimal disruption. It's all a question of will. (http://www.astt.com.au/l2bottom.jpg) And I don't think the power company has the will. Now's not the time to get all conspiratorial, but, I bet the AEPPSO is going to make money on this deal. Between FEMA and their ability to petition the State for lost revenue, I don't think they'll be too motivated to change. Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: T-Town Now on December 12, 2007, 10:59:53 am The power lines should have been buried a long time ago. I see with all the street widening projects going on around town, they still aren't burying the lines. Seems the expense to do so at that time would be minimal to PSO.
Instead, we get bigger poles with more ugly lines dangling overhead. Someday the citizens of Tulsa will wake up and realize what a blight all these power lines and poles are on the city, and that our trees are one of the few things that truly sets this city apart from others. I haven't had power since early Monday morning, and my Cox phone is out as well. I went through the same thing in 1987, and we still haven't learned to bury the lines and keep the power on. Wind in Oklahoma? Ice? Who could have ever imagined such things could possibly happen? [?] Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: dsjeffries on December 12, 2007, 11:26:47 am I'm just surprised that nobody has yet claimed that Kathy Taylor is the cause of this ice storm [;)]. You know, to take the focus off the Complete the Streets committee [;)][;)]. Maybe I should check the Tulsa World comments--I bet someone has.
In all seriousness, though, our power lines should have been buried. The power lines in Brookside could have been buried when Peoria was all torn up and it would've saved money on several fronts: the cost of businesses being closed, the cost of employees not being able to work (lost productivity), not to mention the cost of Lost Sales Tax Revenues, the cost of re-stringing our power lines, or replacing the entire poles, the cost of the many small fires open wires cause, the cost of... Sure, burying lines might be more expensive than sticking them to a pole 40 feet in the air, but it's MUCH more cost-effective in the long run, including the hidden societal benefits and costs. Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: tim huntzinger on December 12, 2007, 11:31:15 am Mayor Taylor was in cahoots with the trees I tell you! This will help her when she runs for President!!
DScott, you get any good pics of the mess? Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: inteller on December 12, 2007, 12:07:01 pm quote: yes it is pretty hard to argue that it costs more to bury when there is an open ditch waiting for you. the city should simply mandate it. Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: Ibanez on December 12, 2007, 12:13:19 pm There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees For the maples want more sunlight And the oaks ignore their pleas The trouble with the maples (And they're quite convinced they're right) They say the oaks are just too lofty And they grab up all the light But the oaks can't help their feelings If they like the way they're made And they wonder why the maples Can't be happy in their shade There is trouble in the forest And the creatures all have fled As the maples scream 'Oppression!' And the oaks just shake their heads So the maples formed a union And demanded equal rights 'The oaks are just too greedy We will make them give us light' Now there's no more oak oppression For they passed a noble law And the trees are all kept equal By hatchet, axe and saw Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: dsjeffries on December 12, 2007, 12:44:36 pm quote: Yeah, I posted several of them under the Weather report... ice in Tulsa? (http://"http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8209") thread. There are about 90 of them on my Flickr (http://"http://www.flickr.com/photos/dscott28604"), and four of them are on the Tulsa World Slideshow (http://"http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/content/2007/slideshows/submitted/index.aspx") (#7, 8, 26, 27). Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: Renaissance on December 12, 2007, 12:49:40 pm quote: You know, you're absolutely right. Come to think of it, I was constantly harassed by a magnolia growing up, but no one believed me. It would just stand there swaying, looking all innocent, and then laugh at me when no one else was around. Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: spoonbill on December 12, 2007, 01:01:53 pm quote: Come on FLOYD. . . now show us, on the doll, where the bad tree touched you? Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: Chicken Little on December 12, 2007, 03:35:08 pm quote:Of Salemen! Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: cannon_fodder on December 12, 2007, 04:11:21 pm I keep my trees very well trimmed. Nonetheless, I sit without power at my house. Likewise, we have no real trees near my office... but no power (in this instance the poles broke off in a domino manner).
At my buddies house he got a notice 6+ months ago that they were going to "trim" a soft maple with a line running in the middle of it... he said just take it out. It was still standing as of Saturday, and now is lying on his roof with the snapped line pinned under it. Above ground lines in Oklahoma seemed like a good idea? Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: inteller on December 12, 2007, 07:24:11 pm quote: Saruman...sheesh...get your ears checked. Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: greywolf45 on December 13, 2007, 05:05:00 am quote:AEP-PSO, bury the power lines?That would be the miracle of miracles. Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: sledbet on December 13, 2007, 01:28:17 pm Ditto on the buried lines, we've got 'em but we're w/o power. They do no good if farther up the line is above ground. Basically they just make the neighborhood look nicer.
Call me a tree-hugger but AEP butchers the trees, I wouldn't call it trimming them. They're no arborists that's for sure. Afterward the trees look horrendous...a whole side taken out...a visual blight on the neighborhood. If their gonna do that to the trees why don't they just take them out? Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: OurTulsa on December 13, 2007, 01:54:28 pm I'm wondering if MapleRidgers are reconsidering their win vs. PSO to 'stop the box'. Granted the lines would not have been under in time to help them in this event. That area is shaping up to be one of the last urban areas to get power back up.
I'm with you guys...lines should be buried as part of a program with street improvements. I'm willing to pay a little extra in rates to help bury lines in this city. Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: Conan71 on December 13, 2007, 03:20:53 pm Bruce Plante finally made a funny:
Tulsa World Editorial Cartoon (http://"http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/cartoon.aspx") Title: &#$% your 'urban canopy'! Post by: Steve on December 15, 2007, 01:01:16 pm I live on 26th St. just east of Yale; it is as bad here as in any other part of town. I don't blame the trees as much as I do lazy, cheap property owners that think trees never need maintenance or pruning.
My roof and property was littered with fallen debris, all from the trees located on neighbors' property, not my own. I keep my trees well pruned, dead wood removed, and healthy and I only had one large branch break off an ash tree of my own. Over the past 20 years, I have had a large redbud, mulberry, mimosa, ash, & magnolia all removed from my property at my own expense, simply because common sense told me that their size and locations made them disasters just waiting to happen. My remaining trees I keep well maintained, and I did not have major problems with my own trees this past week. At least 50% or more of the blame for all the litter and damage belongs on the tree owners, not the trees or mother nature. |