Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Chicken Little on October 17, 2007, 10:59:11 pm
Isn't this the same idiot, end times, rhetoric that Ahmadinejad uses?
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/world/10/18/1018iran.html
http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Iran/217689
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: iplaw on October 18, 2007, 07:59:54 am
Not even close.
If you examine the statements of President Tom, you'll see that he wishes to bring about WWIII to hasten the coming of the Islamic messiah. If they obtain nuclear weapons they believe that using them will bring bring about the final establishment of the caliphate (he has said so on dozens of occasions).
Bush is stating that allowing them to get nuclear wepons will cause WWIII...because Iran has made it clear that if they procure those weapons that they will use them.
Bush is merely reiterating that which President Tom has made clear. Unfortunately, most Americans aren't even paying attention to what the nutjob from Iran is saying. He's made it clear that he intends to wipe both Israel and the US off the map by any means possible. Starting WWIII by launching nukes against Israel would be a convenient means to bring about those ends.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: tim huntzinger on October 18, 2007, 09:17:29 am
Here is one to chew on: if the liberal left needs to keep the poor and downtrodden 'down' in order for the liberal left to maintain power, what state of affairs does the right need to maintain its power?
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: iplaw on October 18, 2007, 10:15:09 am
The situation is what it is. Iran has made it clear that it wishes to wipe Israel and the US off the map in order to establish a holy caliphate in the middle east. To accomplish that goal they must hasten the coming of the messiah who they believe will only come back by way of a great war.
You can decide to ignore what they state explicitly (Iran's leaders have stated this over and over and over again), which we did with OBL and reap the consquences for ignoring them, or we can learn lessons from 9/11 and head these scenarios off at the pass.
What's the up-side of allowing Iran to get nukes?
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Breadburner on October 18, 2007, 11:21:28 am
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Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Conan71 on October 18, 2007, 11:23:51 am
Did someone say FUNK?
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Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Friendly Bear on October 18, 2007, 01:01:58 pm
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw
Not even close.
If you examine the statements of President Tom, you'll see that he wishes to bring about WWIII to hasten the coming of the Islamic messiah. If they obtain nuclear weapons they believe that using them will bring bring about the final establishment of the caliphate (he has said so on dozens of occasions).
Bush is stating that allowing them to get nuclear wepons will cause WWIII...because Iran has made it clear that if they procure those weapons that they will use them.
Bush is merely reiterating that which President Tom has made clear. Unfortunately, most Americans aren't even paying attention to what the nutjob from Iran is saying. He's made it clear that he intends to wipe both Israel and the US off the map by any means possible. Starting WWIII by launching nukes against Israel would be a convenient means to bring about those ends.
Attack them NOW with massive thermonuclear cruise missle strikes at all major military, nuclear research, and significant population centers. Turn their entire country into Radioactive Kitty Litter. Try to avoid collateral damage to the oil industry. The world needs their oil. We DO NOT need THEM: Alive. Then, let people read about the "Persians" in the history books. Future Wikipedia entry for "Persians". Former central Asian people, whose rabid, intolerant, messianic, and suicidal Theocracy since A.D.1979 so theatened world peace that the Western Democracies exterminated the ill-kempt vermin from the face of the earth, circa 2008.
Scattered survivors are reported peaceably living in family-sized units throughout the world.
See Also entry for Iran.[}:)]
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Breadburner on October 18, 2007, 01:09:19 pm
I had the pleasure of talking to a few Iranians a while back, two men and one women..At first they were embarassed to admit where they were from.....But after talking to them they were very vocal about their disdain for Ahmadinejad as are most Iranians.....
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Conan71 on October 18, 2007, 01:16:48 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Breadburner
I had the pleasure of talking to a few Iranians a while back, two men and one women..At first they were embarassed to admit where they were from.....But after talking to them they were very vocal about their disdain for Ahmadinejad as are most Iranians.....
Talk to just about any Iranian when they are outside Iran and they all pretty much share that sentiment. That's why asshat dictators keep an iron fist of intimidation hanging over the heads of their subjects.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Townsend on October 18, 2007, 01:50:28 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
That's why asshat dictators keep an iron fist of intimidation hanging over the heads of their subjects.
Yup, we're at Homeland Security status "Yellow".
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Friendly Bear on October 18, 2007, 01:52:02 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Breadburner
I had the pleasure of talking to a few Iranians a while back, two men and one women..At first they were embarassed to admit where they were from.....But after talking to them they were very vocal about their disdain for Ahmadinejad as are most Iranians.....
Maybe they were also telling you what you wanted to hear. You're a dhimmi, afterall. In their world view, just barely human. But, a non-entity nonetheless. Their holy book permits them to freely LIE to you if it advances their religion. By the way, you're past due on your jizyah (poll tax), living under implicit world-wide Sharia Law. Practically every trouble spot in the world, is Muslim vs. [Fill in the blank]. Muslims vs.: Catholic Christians Protestant Christians Orthodox Christians Jews Hindus Buddists Confucionists Animists (Sudan) They don't seem to actually be able to get along with ANYBODY, including each other. Welcome to the New World Disorder. [}:)]
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Townsend on October 18, 2007, 02:03:59 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by Breadburner
I had the pleasure of talking to a few Iranians a while back, two men and one women..At first they were embarassed to admit where they were from.....But after talking to them they were very vocal about their disdain for Ahmadinejad as are most Iranians.....
Maybe they were also telling you what you wanted to hear.
You're a dhimmi, afterall. In their world view, just barely human. But, a non-entity nonetheless. Their holy book permits them to freely LIE to you if it advances their religion.
By the way, you're past due on your jizyah (poll tax), living under implicit world-wide Sharia Law.
Practically every trouble spot in the world, is Muslim vs. [Fill in the blank].
Muslims vs.:
Catholic Christians
Protestant Christians
Orthodox Christians
Jews
Hindus
Buddists
Confucionists
Animists (Sudan)
They don't seem to actually be able to get along with ANYBODY, including each other.
Welcome to the New World Disorder.
[}:)]
I was told by a person I know that goats are getting expensive because Muslims drink goat blood. Let's keep the generalizations flowing.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: iplaw on October 18, 2007, 02:31:43 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Townsend
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
That's why asshat dictators keep an iron fist of intimidation hanging over the heads of their subjects.
Yup, we're at Homeland Security status "Yellow".
Are you "intimidated" by reasonable attempts to convey warnings about possible terrorist activity? If so, I suggest you leave your basement periodically.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Townsend on October 18, 2007, 02:59:53 pm
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Originally posted by iplaw
quote:
Originally posted by Townsend
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
That's why asshat dictators keep an iron fist of intimidation hanging over the heads of their subjects.
Yup, we're at Homeland Security status "Yellow".
Are you "intimidated" by reasonable attempts to convey warnings about possible terrorist activity? If so, I suggest you leave your basement periodically.
Just giving another example of "iron fist of intimidation"
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Breadburner on October 18, 2007, 03:07:05 pm
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Originally posted by Townsend
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by Townsend
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Originally posted by Conan71
That's why asshat dictators keep an iron fist of intimidation hanging over the heads of their subjects.
Yup, we're at Homeland Security status "Yellow".
Are you "intimidated" by reasonable attempts to convey warnings about possible terrorist activity? If so, I suggest you leave your basement periodically.
Just giving another example of "iron fist of intimidation"
It was very poor at best.....Try again....
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: iplaw on October 18, 2007, 03:10:47 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Townsend
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw
quote:
Originally posted by Townsend
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
That's why asshat dictators keep an iron fist of intimidation hanging over the heads of their subjects.
Yup, we're at Homeland Security status "Yellow".
Are you "intimidated" by reasonable attempts to convey warnings about possible terrorist activity? If so, I suggest you leave your basement periodically.
Just giving another example of "iron fist of intimidation"
Again, if you feel that a color coded alert status system is an "iron fist of intimidation," you need to get out more often. Are you afraid of being oppressed by McD's because their coffee cups say "beware hot coffee?" Damned fear mongering clown...
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: FOTD on October 18, 2007, 03:22:10 pm
Hmmmm.....sounds like someone familiar with the methods of intimidation.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Townsend on October 18, 2007, 04:01:23 pm
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Originally posted by Breadburner
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Originally posted by Townsend
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Originally posted by iplaw
quote:
Originally posted by Townsend
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
That's why asshat dictators keep an iron fist of intimidation hanging over the heads of their subjects.
Yup, we're at Homeland Security status "Yellow".
Are you "intimidated" by reasonable attempts to convey warnings about possible terrorist activity? If so, I suggest you leave your basement periodically.
Just giving another example of "iron fist of intimidation"
It was very poor at best.....Try again....
It was great for me.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Townsend on October 18, 2007, 04:02:26 pm
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by Townsend
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Originally posted by iplaw
quote:
Originally posted by Townsend
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
That's why asshat dictators keep an iron fist of intimidation hanging over the heads of their subjects.
Yup, we're at Homeland Security status "Yellow".
Are you "intimidated" by reasonable attempts to convey warnings about possible terrorist activity? If so, I suggest you leave your basement periodically.
Just giving another example of "iron fist of intimidation"
Again, if you feel that a color coded alert status system is an "iron fist of intimidation," you need to get out more often. Are you afraid of being oppressed by McD's because their coffee cups say "beware hot coffee?" Damned fear mongering clown...
I don't eat there so possibly deep down...
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Chicken Little on October 18, 2007, 04:05:25 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Breadburner
I had the pleasure of talking to a few Iranians a while back, two men and one women..At first they were embarassed to admit where they were from.....But after talking to them they were very vocal about their disdain for Ahmadinejad as are most Iranians.....
I agree with you, Breadburner. And most analysts say that the theocracy has plenty of problems at home. The content and tone of goofball's speeches varies widely depending on the audience. If its an editorial in the local paper, he often appears to be very moderate and sane. The theocracy has a tenuous grip on power; they are trying to herd a bunch of kids (median age 25 years; compare to US's 35) who know a heck of a lot more about Britney Spears than you would think. And so, a lot of folks believe that much of his crazy talk is propaganda targeted at the US. Though absolutely insane-sounding, it is just a form of attention getting. Further, the Iranian people actually get what's going on many levels. Ahmadinejad says something insane, Iran gets international attention. Bush then fires back something about WWIII and everybody winks at each other. As they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Think about it. What have they got to lose? They've lived under sanctions for decades. Which is worse, living with a raving lunatic who gets attention or, alternately, being ignored altogether? Iran is sort of the Paul Tay of the Middle East. There's some pretty solid evidence that, on some levels, this is all an inside joke that 70,000,000 people get, but apparently Bush doesn't. That's not to say that there isn't a danger in this kind of brinksmanship. When you've got a President here who also gets a kick out of saber-rattling, fear-mongering, etc., you've got a problem. Point is, it's called diplomacy. If a thug like Putin can do it, why then, are we talking about WWIII and "wee-wee yellow" alerts? It bothers me that we are being manhandled by a handful of goofballs.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: RecycleMichael on October 18, 2007, 04:36:52 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Chicken Little
Iran is sort of the Paul Tay of the Middle East.
That is brilliant.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Breadburner on October 18, 2007, 04:38:13 pm
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD
Hmmmm.....sounds like someone familiar with the methods of intimidation.
**sniff*sniff**
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Townsend on October 18, 2007, 05:44:25 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Breadburner
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Originally posted by Townsend
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by Townsend
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
That's why asshat dictators keep an iron fist of intimidation hanging over the heads of their subjects.
Yup, we're at Homeland Security status "Yellow".
Are you "intimidated" by reasonable attempts to convey warnings about possible terrorist activity? If so, I suggest you leave your basement periodically.
Just giving another example of "iron fist of intimidation"
It was very poor at best.....Try again....
You guys are right. I'm not adding jack squat to some of these threads. I'll try to explain myself better. My apologies.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: YoungTulsan on October 18, 2007, 08:53:50 pm
quote:
Originally posted by recyclemichael
quote:
Originally posted by Chicken Little
Iran is sort of the Paul Tay of the Middle East.
That is brilliant.
I agree. LOL!
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: iplaw on October 19, 2007, 07:47:30 am
quote:
That's not to say that there isn't a danger in this kind of brinksmanship. When you've got a President here who also gets a kick out of saber-rattling, fear-mongering, etc., you've got a problem. Point is, it's called diplomacy. If a thug like Putin can do it, why then, are we talking about WWIII and "wee-wee yellow" alerts? It bothers me that we are being manhandled by a handful of goofballs.
Most people made the same mistake regarding OBL. No one ever thought the rantings of that madman would become reality, and anyone who thinks Putin is engaging in "diplomacy" with Iran to head off a nuclear crisis at this point is smoking some good sh$t... Iran is not simply "talking" anymore. Iran and it's leadership are actively attempting to produce nuclear weapons, a point which no one can rationally dispute. Even the ever-complacent UN is pissed off about it. Depending on Iran's populace is foolish too. Though passively complaining about the current theocracy in charge, they refuse to actively engage because they know death is sure to follow any type of uprising. I'm still trying to figure out why saying that: Iran + Nuclear Bomb = WWIII is "fearmogering?" Seems like a logical conclusion for anyone paying attention to what Iran is saying.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: tim huntzinger on October 19, 2007, 08:26:51 am
quote:
Originally posted by tim huntzinger
Here is one to chew on: if the liberal left needs to keep the poor and downtrodden 'down' in order for the liberal left to maintain power, what state of affairs does the right need to maintain its power?
What an interesting question, Tim. Why, the military industrial complex needs a constant state of war to sustain itself. Iran does not need to be bombed into the stone age, as this would only reinforce and galvanize the Shia's desire for martydom.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Chicken Little on October 19, 2007, 11:25:11 am
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw
Most people made the same mistake regarding OBL.
Well, at least one person anyway.
Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US (http://"http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html")-- President's Daily Brief (PDB) for August 6, 2001. quote:
No one ever thought the rantings of that madman would become reality, and anyone who thinks Putin is engaging in "diplomacy" with Iran to head off a nuclear crisis at this point is smoking some good sh$t...
Never once said, or implied, that that thug Putin was trying to save our butts. That's not his job, nor is it his objective. He is simply taking advantage of a foreign policy vacuum that we have created in the world. Just as China is doing with that other nutjob in Venezuela: Businessweek:Venezuela President Chavez is cutting a deal to ship oil to China, which will lessen profits—and dependence on the U.S. (http://"http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/oct2007/gb2007102_536757.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_best+of+bw") Putin is "talking" in order to further his country's foreign policy goals: From ITAR/TASS: quote:
During the talks, which were held in the atmosphere of trust and mutual understanding, the sides discussed key aspects of Russian-Iranian relations and cooperation in various areas, exchanged views on important regional and international issues and reached the following agreements.
1. The sides confirmed that mutually beneficial cooperation in the political, economic, cultural and other areas, as well as cooperation on the international stage, meet the national interests of the two sides and play an important role in supporting peace and stability in the region and beyond.
2. The sides expressed their determination to further contribute to the steady development of multifaceted Russian-Iranian relations, keeping with the spirit and the letter of the Treaty on the Fundamentals of Relations and Principles of Cooperation, which was signed in Moscow on 12 March 2001.
3. On issues of trade and economic cooperation between Russia and Iran, the sides spoke in favour of increasing efforts to further expand economic ties between the two countries, especially in areas like the oil and gas, nuclear power, electricity, processing and aircraft-building industries, banking and transport. Both sides are convinced that the Permanent Russian-Iranian Commission for Trade and Economic Cooperation will make a valuable contribution to this work.
4. Special attention was paid to cooperation in the extraction and transportation of energy resources. The sides agreed to develop direct contacts between the two countries' oil and gas companies in order to sign concrete, mutually beneficial commercial agreements on joint work in all segments of the oil and gas sectors.
5. The sides confirmed their interest in coordinating marketing policies in oil and gas exports, attracting Russian companies to the development of oil and gas fields in Iran, including the Southern Pars gas field, and creating in Iran industrial facilities to produce, store and export natural gas.
6. Both sides confirmed their interest in continuing cooperation in the energy sector, including the modernization of thermal and hydro-electric power plants built with Russia's help and the construction of new ones, including the Tabas coal thermal power plant in Iran.
7. The sides noted bilateral cooperation in the area of peaceful nuclear energy and confirmed that it will continue in full compliance with the requirements of the Treaty on the Non-proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. In this regard they also noted that the construction and launch of the Bushehr nuclear power plant will be carried out in accordance with the agreed timetable.
8. The sides noted with satisfaction the signing of a contract to supply Iran with five Tu-204-100 aircraft. In this regard they expressed interest in deepening cooperation in the area of aviation industry further. The sides support the on-going talks between the relevant organizations of the two countries on the supply to Iran and the production in this country of Tu-334 and Tu-214 commercial aircraft and Kamov civilian helicopters. They also expressed their support for a speedy preparation and signing of contracts on these projects.
9. During their meeting the presidents deemed it necessary to continue work on the creation of favourable legal, economic and financial conditions for joint investment in Russia and Iran. In this context the sides noted the need to sign as soon as possible a memorandum between the government of the Russian Federation and the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran on the development of long-term trade and economic, industrial and scientific and technical cooperation and an agreement on facilitating and protecting capital investment.
10. The sides agreed to continue work on the development of the north-south international transport corridor, including its automobile, rail and maritime components, in the interest of further strengthening trade and economic ties between Russia and Iran, as well as other countries of the region.
In this regard the sides agreed to speed up the consideration of the issue of resumption of road transport communication between the Russian Federation and the Islamic Republic of Iran through the territory of (Russia's) Republic of Dagestan.
11. The sides expressed their satisfaction with the steady development of regional cooperation between the Russian Federation's constituent parts and provinces of the Islamic Republic of Iran. In this regard they expressed confidence that the resumption of operations in the city of Rasht by the Russian Consulate General and the opening of Iran's Consulate General in the city of Kazan, Russia, will facilitate further strengthening of interregional ties between the two countries.
12. The sides discussed pressing regional problems, expressed interest in bilateral and multilateral cooperation in Central Asia and the Transcaucasus with the aim of strengthening stability and security in these regions, including by way of closer cooperation between the countries of the region on the basis of mutual respect and interest.
13. Russia and Iran advocate the development of equal and constructive cooperation between member and observer states of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization on matters of mutual interest.
14. The presidents of the Russian Federation and the Islamic Republic of Iran confirmed the two sides' aspiration to solve all the issues arising on the Caspian Sea solely by peaceful means, through cooperation on equal footing between the five Caspian littoral states. They agree that the relevant norms of the agreements of 1921 and 1940 between Iran and the former Soviet Union remain in force until there is a convention on the legal status of the Caspian Sea.
quote:
Iran is not simply "talking" anymore. Iran and it's leadership are actively attempting to produce nuclear weapons, a point which no one can rationally dispute. Even the ever-complacent UN is pissed off about it.
Again, I think you are missing out on quite a bit. North Korea was supposed to have bombed somebody by now, right? Interestingly, the US is making headway with that nuclear-armed madman. What's our secret weapon here? Back channel diplomacy. quote:
Depending on Iran's populace is foolish too. Though passively complaining about the current theocracy in charge, they refuse to actively engage because they know death is sure to follow any type of uprising.
Never said I was depending upon an uprising. I was simply pointing out that Iran is not the monolith that you might think it is. quote:
I'm still trying to figure out why saying that:
Iran + Nuclear Bomb = WWIII
is "fearmogering?" Seems like a logical conclusion for anyone paying attention to what Iran is saying.[/quote]
--Break--
Right now, I'm just asking. I pay attention to what Iran says. I also believe that "fear" is a winner for Republicans. I'm trying to discern the difference:
Iran: "We want peaceful nukes--er--nuclear energy." Propaganda designed to provoke mass reaction and fear in the US.
Bush: "That's a good way to start WWIII" (Also?) Propaganda designed to provoke mass reaction and fear in the US.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: iplaw on October 19, 2007, 12:11:29 pm
quote:
Well, at least one person anyway.
Oh that's right...Bill Clinton knew nothing of OBL before 9/11 [xx(] quote:
Never once said, or implied, that that thug Putin was trying to save our butts. That's not his job, nor is it his objective. He is simply taking advantage of a foreign policy vacuum that we have created in the world. Just as China is doing with that other nutjob in Venezuela:
You stated that he was engaging in "diplomacy" and that we should be doing the same. Nothing Putin is doing could be categorized as diplomacy, so your comparison makes no sense. quote:
Again, I think you are missing out on quite a bit. North Korea was supposed to have bombed somebody by now, right? Interestingly, the US is making headway with that nuclear-armed madman. What's our secret weapon here? Back channel diplomacy.
Unfortunately you can't anaolgize NK to Iran. They operate diferently because they have completely different goals. Iran's goals for obtaining nukes are different than NKs. Iran wished to obtain them to USE them, NK wanted them for leverage. Two completely different goals. quote:
Iran: "We want peaceful nukes--er--nuclear energy." Propaganda designed to provoke mass reaction and fear in the US.
Bush: "That's a good way to start WWIII" (Also?) Propaganda designed to provoke mass reaction and fear in the US.
That's because you AREN'T listening to what Iran is saying, you've only included part of their message. Iran doesn't care about provoking fear. They are interested (at least the leadership) in the return of the messiah via a great war with Israel. Their message has been loud and clear about what their goals are, it's just that most people aren't listening. Bush's statement is completely reasonable if you take Iran's leadership at their word.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Friendly Bear on October 22, 2007, 10:43:57 am
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw
quote:
Well, at least one person anyway.
Oh that's right...Bill Clinton knew nothing of OBL before 9/11 [xx(]
quote:
Never once said, or implied, that that thug Putin was trying to save our butts. That's not his job, nor is it his objective. He is simply taking advantage of a foreign policy vacuum that we have created in the world. Just as China is doing with that other nutjob in Venezuela:
You stated that he was engaging in "diplomacy" and that we should be doing the same. Nothing Putin is doing could be categorized as diplomacy, so your comparison makes no sense.
quote:
Again, I think you are missing out on quite a bit. North Korea was supposed to have bombed somebody by now, right? Interestingly, the US is making headway with that nuclear-armed madman. What's our secret weapon here? Back channel diplomacy.
Unfortunately you can't anaolgize NK to Iran. They operate diferently because they have completely different goals. Iran's goals for obtaining nukes are different than NKs. Iran wished to obtain them to USE them, NK wanted them for leverage. Two completely different goals.
quote:
Iran: "We want peaceful nukes--er--nuclear energy." Propaganda designed to provoke mass reaction and fear in the US.
Bush: "That's a good way to start WWIII" (Also?) Propaganda designed to provoke mass reaction and fear in the US.
That's because you AREN'T listening to what Iran is saying, you've only included part of their message. Iran doesn't care about provoking fear. They are interested (at least the leadership) in the return of the messiah via a great war with Israel. Their message has been loud and clear about what their goals are, it's just that most people aren't listening.
Bush's statement is completely reasonable if you take Iran's leadership at their word.
Nuke 'em until they glow in the dark. Do it now. Before they can fulfill their messianic terroristic vision of Khomeinism.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: rwarn17588 on October 22, 2007, 10:57:15 am
<F.B. wrote:
Nuke 'em until they glow in the dark.
Do it now.
Before they can fulfill their messianic terroristic vision of Khomeinism.
<end clip>
Dick Cheney, is that you?
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Post by: Breadburner on October 22, 2007, 11:49:36 am
quote:
Originally posted by rwarn17588
<F.B. wrote:
Nuke 'em until they glow in the dark.
Do it now.
Before they can fulfill their messianic terroristic vision of Khomeinism.
<end clip>
Dick Cheney, is that you?
More like Rumsfeld...."We are going to cut it off and kill it"....heh...
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Friendly Bear on October 22, 2007, 12:11:43 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Breadburner
quote:
Originally posted by rwarn17588
<F.B. wrote:
Nuke 'em until they glow in the dark.
Do it now.
Before they can fulfill their messianic terroristic vision of Khomeinism.
<end clip>
Dick Cheney, is that you?
More like Rumsfeld...."We are going to cut it off and kill it"....heh...
No, it's not Rummy or Dick on this end. While no friend of the U.S., Iraq was also not a direct THREAT. The U.N. sanctions and NO-Fly Zone had neutered Saddam Hussein, and his economy was a shambles. Iraq is an Unnecessary War. $500 Billion in treasure expended, 4,000 military personnel losses, and 12,000 maimed soldiers, with virtually nothing to show for it after 4 1/2 years: Nothing and Nobody in Iraq is safe. The real fight is with the Saudi Royal Family's virulently anti-everyone version of Islam, using their Petro-Billions to fund World-Wide Wahhabism in thousands of Mosques and Madrassas which they own, which turn out millions of future Jihadists, and with the messianic Shi'ite suicide-cult Khomeinists. President George W. Bush now has his legacy, something akin to the Rime of the Ancient Mariner's Albatross, hanging around his neck. And, the Saudi Royal Family has owned the Bushes for three generations. [V]
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: rwarn17588 on October 22, 2007, 12:28:18 pm
On that, at least, we're in agreement.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: altruismsuffers on October 23, 2007, 08:20:20 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw
Not even close.
If you examine the statements of President Tom, you'll see that he wishes to bring about WWIII to hasten the coming of the Islamic messiah. If they obtain nuclear weapons they believe that using them will bring bring about the final establishment of the caliphate (he has said so on dozens of occasions).
Bush is stating that allowing them to get nuclear wepons will cause WWIII...because Iran has made it clear that if they procure those weapons that they will use them.
Bush is merely reiterating that which President Tom has made clear. Unfortunately, most Americans aren't even paying attention to what the nutjob from Iran is saying. He's made it clear that he intends to wipe both Israel and the US off the map by any means possible. Starting WWIII by launching nukes against Israel would be a convenient means to bring about those ends.
Attack them NOW with massive thermonuclear cruise missle strikes at all major military, nuclear research, and significant population centers.
Turn their entire country into Radioactive Kitty Litter.
Try to avoid collateral damage to the oil industry.
The world needs their oil. We DO NOT need THEM: Alive.
Then, let people read about the "Persians" in the history books.
Future Wikipedia entry for "Persians".
Former central Asian people, whose rabid, intolerant, messianic, and suicidal Theocracy since A.D.1979 so theatened world peace that the Western Democracies exterminated the ill-kempt vermin from the face of the earth, circa 2008.
Scattered survivors are reported peaceably living in family-sized units throughout the world.
See Also entry for Iran.[}:)]
Well I see this forum is still disgusting and hateful as ever. What a great group we have here. Lets just kill everyone that is not like us, that would be great right? Maybe one day we will have the "perfect idiot race" and you can live happily ever after.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Breadburner on October 23, 2007, 08:28:51 pm
Did someone fart again....**sniff Sniff**.....
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Conan71 on October 23, 2007, 09:09:30 pm
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
Maybe one day we will have I will be the patriarch of the "perfect idiot race" and you can live happily ever after.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Friendly Bear on October 24, 2007, 08:52:44 am
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by iplaw
Not even close.
If you examine the statements of President Tom, you'll see that he wishes to bring about WWIII to hasten the coming of the Islamic messiah. If they obtain nuclear weapons they believe that using them will bring bring about the final establishment of the caliphate (he has said so on dozens of occasions).
Bush is stating that allowing them to get nuclear wepons will cause WWIII...because Iran has made it clear that if they procure those weapons that they will use them.
Bush is merely reiterating that which President Tom has made clear. Unfortunately, most Americans aren't even paying attention to what the nutjob from Iran is saying. He's made it clear that he intends to wipe both Israel and the US off the map by any means possible. Starting WWIII by launching nukes against Israel would be a convenient means to bring about those ends.
Attack them NOW with massive thermonuclear cruise missle strikes at all major military, nuclear research, and significant population centers.
Turn their entire country into Radioactive Kitty Litter.
Try to avoid collateral damage to the oil industry.
The world needs their oil. We DO NOT need THEM: Alive.
Then, let people read about the "Persians" in the history books.
Future Wikipedia entry for "Persians".
Former central Asian people, whose rabid, intolerant, messianic, and suicidal Theocracy since A.D.1979 so theatened world peace that the Western Democracies exterminated the ill-kempt vermin from the face of the earth, circa 2008.
Scattered survivors are reported peaceably living in family-sized units throughout the world.
See Also entry for Iran.[}:)]
Well I see this forum is still disgusting and hateful as ever. What a great group we have here. Lets just kill everyone that is not like us, that would be great right? Maybe one day we will have the "perfect idiot race" and you can live happily ever after.
It's been Islam vs. EVERYONE ELSE for the past 1400 years. 1400 years of warfare, enslavement, and oppression against Orthodox Christians, Catholics, Copts, Protestants, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and Animists, stretching around half of the world, interrupted by short and misleading periods of "peace", as they rest, reconstitute, and plan their next foray against EVERYONE ELSE. We're long overdue to cleanse the earth of the fanatic followers of the so-called "Religion of Peace", as our feckless President foolishly intoned after 9-11. A President who's family services have been rented by the Saudi Royal Family for the three generations, and places EXACTLY the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time to lead our country. He's owned. He attacked Iraq rather than the root cause of the problem: Saudi Wahhabism primarily, and Shia Khomeinisim secondarily. Make the followers of these Islam Cults fear the Men of the West. Make their women and children tremble when our helicopters swoop over their hovels. Death is coming for their men today......... Death from Above.[}:)]
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: altruismsuffers on October 24, 2007, 01:48:25 pm
What were the Crusades? A traveling tea party for Christians?
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: Friendly Bear on October 24, 2007, 01:56:26 pm
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
What were the Crusades? A traveling tea party for Christians?
No, the Crusades I - IV were a REACTION to the capture and desecration of the Christian Holy Land by the Muslims, and the harassment of Christian Pilgrims journeying to the Holy Land. The leaders of the Christian Western Europe literally "took the Cross". Hence, The Crusades. Payback Time. [}:)]
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: iplaw on October 24, 2007, 04:16:41 pm
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
What were the Crusades? A traveling tea party for Christians?
Ladies and gentlement...I give you a living, breathing example of a human being who refuses to read a history book and then attempts to lecture others about it. Maybe you should spend more time in the classroom really learning and less time making videos about tea kettles orbiting mars...
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: altruismsuffers on October 24, 2007, 10:53:06 pm
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
What were the Crusades? A traveling tea party for Christians?
No, the Crusades I - IV were a REACTION to the capture and desecration of the Christian Holy Land by the Muslims.
The leaders of the Christian West Europe literally "took the Cross". Hence, the Crusades.
Payback Time.
[}:)]
Just because Islam spread like wildfire does not mean they "captured and desecrated" the land. It was mostly because the Christians were having a tougher time getting to the Holly land of Palestine because of taxes from the Turks. But the pilgrimages, yes Christians used to make pilgrimages like Muslims, were never blocked. The growing strength of the Turk Muslim power over Asia Minor was threatening Christianity's power hold of Europe so they had to fight to maintain POWER.
Title: World War 3? What the funk?
Post by: iplaw on October 25, 2007, 08:36:39 pm
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Just because Islam spread like wildfire does not mean they "captured and desecrated" the land.
Tell that to the Spanish...have you ever been to Spain? Wonder why there aren't many North African muslim immigrants there? quote:
But the pilgrimages, yes Christians used to make pilgrimages like Muslims, were never blocked.
Um...many still do today. quote:
The growing strength of the Turk Muslim power over Asia Minor was threatening Christianity's power hold of Europe so they had to fight to maintain POWER.
Yes, that little nasty penchant of radical muslim's...their unrelenting aggression against people not at war with them...sound familiar? Crusade #1 ended and there was attendant peace until, you guessed it, radical muslims decided to aggress again starting crusades #2.
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