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Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on September 27, 2007, 08:26:15 am This is an old story, but it keeps getting better:
A teen got a ticket for running a red light or some such nonsense. He thought the ticket was BS so he challenged it. At the trial the judge believed the cop over him... so he installed a camera in his car so it would not happen again. Later, he went out with friends and left his cell phone. His friend agreed to meet him halfway in a commuter lot, so he pulled into the commuter lot and waited for his friend. A cop approach because it was unusual to see a car in a commuter lot at that time of night - then it gets ugly. He asks them what the problem is and says "why can't I park in a commuter lot?" To which the cop replies "I'll come up with 9 &^%^ing reasons to arrest your donkey... whatever I say thats what. Want to try me boy?... come on BOY give me some more love boy. Wanna have a bad night boy? Answer me or I'll lock you up for resisting arrest boy. Want me to show you how the F&^%ing law works boy?" After he is told it is being recorded he threatens to impound the car and tear the tapes apart. When he is told that the tape is not in the car by transmitted he suddenly has an awakening and calms down and acts more like you would expect him to. http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1961.asp (video and transcript) He got pulled over at a DUI road block and recorded that too - same basic thing but handled better by the cops. They asked him "where are you going" and he replied "I do not want to talk about my personal life with you" to which he was detained. His car illegally searched and covertly threatened with "cooperate or we'll find a reason to arrest you." He told them sooner that it was being recorded and it was smooth from there on. http://stlouismo.com/blogs/saint-louis-missouri-news/archive/2007/09/13/brett-darrow-police-roadblock-harassment-caught-on-tape.aspx Now the cops are staking out his house and overtly threatening him on message boards. One went so far as to post his name and address and encouragement to "get that little &*^%&^." The FOP have not seen the need to delete that post until after it was run in a newspaper. When he pulled up to the cop that was staking his house to ask what was going on it drove away, he followed, so they turned and turned and finally flipped a U in the middle of the road to avoid him. http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1988.asp - - - - The kid is clearly a smart donkey and plays the cops like a fiddle. However, at all times he was COMPLETELY within his rights. He merely posed a question, the officer responded correctly by explaining that they had problems in these lots, but then upon another inquiry the cop freaked out and showed his true colors (as the teenager remains composed). In all instances I'm afraid the St. Louis police have exhibited EXACTLY why many people do not respect the police anymore. Its sad when a teenager can outsmart the police in such a petty way to repeatedly make them show their true colors - they should be above this crap. Hey, I know its a hard job. I also know that many who decide to take it do so to obtain an authority position over others. I believe that goes to their heads and leads to widespread, even pandemic abuse. Police should be an example of what we should do, not a butt of jokes about what we should not do. In Tulsa, Police are among the most blatant violators of traffic laws (ask the one that blew by me going 65 on Yale this morning with no lights on). One has to wonder, if they don't bother to obey the little laws in daylight what do they do when no one is looking? I am very respectful of the police because I know they do an important job AND because I know that if I am not they can easily do anything they want to me (not that they will, but they certainly can). But most people that watch those videos can relate in some way to their conduct, and that's sad. When a citizen choses to exercise his rights (top question his detainment) he should not be punished for it. I get frustrated in my job when someone maneuvers to make it difficult, but I do not punish them nor threaten them for it. Anyway, everyday police blow by me (15+ over), run red lights, swerve lanes, and make turns without blinkers/not into the near lane. All things that would get me pulled over, searched, and fined. Again, police - I know you have a hard job and are used to dealing with scum, but don't treat all of us like we are scum and try to refrain the same activities you spend all day fining citizens for performing. /rant from getting tired of seeing cops ignore the law while I get fined for the same activity. Someone try to citizens arrest one sometime, lets see how that goes over. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: tim huntzinger on September 27, 2007, 09:05:35 am Here is a link to the video of the 'stalking' incident. (http://"http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49b_1190900017")
Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: rwarn17588 on September 27, 2007, 09:43:50 am Good stuff.
Who watches the Watchmen? Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Friendly Bear on September 27, 2007, 09:48:10 am quote: The cell phone camera is the bane of police misconduct. They are so small, so portable, and there are so MANY of them, that it is bringing an impartial "witness" to any encounter with the police. MH2010 and I had a multi-entry "discussion" on this topic some time back. Basically, there have been so many instances of these types of incidents captured by citizens nationwide, in bad encounters with out-of-control policemen, that the police union now wants all police cars equipped with CELL PHONE JAMMERS. So that there is no EVIDENCE of misconduct. In order to prevent evidence of such misconduct from being transmitted to another party. They know they can already destroy any physical device or media recording the incident found in the car, once they've impounded it on some pretext of the citizen "impeding" an investigation. The TRANSMISSION is what cooks their goose when police misconduct is involved. I presume this 20 year veteran policeman was fired for this misconduct. Was he? Wonder how many other citizens who had bad experiences with this sergeant have since come forward? Was he likewise charged with the crime of Oppression in Office? It's a criminal offense on the books. RARELY used. But he appears guilty of it. Threating to fabricate criminal charges would appear to qualify him for being charged criminally. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: RecycleMichael on September 27, 2007, 09:51:46 am I don't want to generalize all police officials based on what an officer in another state does. I am sure there are some officers with improper attitudes, but I am certain that most of the Tulsa Police are respectful of the citizen and their rights.
Now the Glenpool police...that is a different matter. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Friendly Bear on September 27, 2007, 10:05:11 am quote: It's hardly isolated to one police jurisdiction. After TPD Officer Gus Spanoff was shot and killed in the line of duty some years ago, the citizens of Tulsa donated money for video-camcorders to be installed in all police cars. Curiously, they didn't last long....... All field police officers should have a streaming video camera attached to their forehead for our protection. And theirs, too. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: NellieBly on September 27, 2007, 10:22:30 am I was driving home last night, turning left from Harvard on to 15th street. Green light, two cars approaching but I had plenty of room to turn. I quickly realized one of the cars coming at me was doing so at a very high rate of speed. It was a cop, no lights, no sirens and literally going about 70 down Harvard. At night. Really, only by my quick action did I avoid being t-boned by this idiot.
Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Friendly Bear on September 27, 2007, 12:52:37 pm quote: It's okay. He was just running late for his moonlighting job. [;)] Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Wilbur on September 27, 2007, 01:07:57 pm quote: $400,000 was donated and the 'best of the time' systems were purchased. But, at the time, it was relatively new technology, and the systems started breaking down almost immediately. You can't buy an off-the-shelf camcorder and put it in a police car and expect it to last long. Anything technology wise has to be ruggidized before installation, which makes it very expensive. Most officers would love to have some sort of camera system in their cars, but, as usual, expense is the problem. Most systems (worth anything) now are running around $5K-$8K each. So, come up with $3,000,000 and you've got a deal. Wait, I know. How about another tax! Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Friendly Bear on September 27, 2007, 01:17:45 pm quote: As the policeman weighs the pros and cons of a video camera in their patrol vehicle, their major negative is that is provides an impartial witness to police misconduct. They know from experience, if there is only the policeman's testimony, and a civilian allegeding police misconduct, the judge will side with the police 999 out of 1,000 times. So, they generally would prefer to not have those pesky impartial witnesses around. Even if it also can document when the civilian is lying about police misconduct. [8D] Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on September 27, 2007, 01:47:29 pm I would like to point out that the police seem to be in the biggest hurry just before their shift ends. Zooming down the BA to downtown or up Harvard to 36th N. Wish there was something citizens could do to hold them accountable, but complaining is just putting a big "X" on the back of your car.
Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: MH2010 on September 27, 2007, 01:52:14 pm quote: I know of no FOP union that is advocating cell phone jammers. Maybe you have us mistaken with those people that fly the "black helicopters". As in our other discussion, most officers want to have cameras and sound recordings in their vehicle but the city can't afford it. The main negative with cameras in vehicles is there is only one angle that the situation is recorded from. This angle could only show part of the situation and not capture the entire event as it is seen by the officer. There are new camera devices that officers can wear that records what the officer sees. These would be great but they are ultra expensive. Maybe the mayor or the county will float another tax to pay for them![:D] Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on September 27, 2007, 02:14:26 pm <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Friendly Bear</i>
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by recyclemichael</i> I don't want to generalize all police officials based on what an officer in another state does. I am sure there are some officers with improper attitudes, but I am certain that most of the Tulsa Police are respectful of the citizen and their rights. Now the Glenpool police...that is a different matter. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> It's hardly isolated to one police jurisdiction. After TPD Officer Gus Spanoff was shot and killed in the line of duty some years ago, the citizens of Tulsa donated money for video-camcorders to be installed in all police cars. Curiously, they didn't last long.......<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> The guys in the city garage pretty much summed it up to "user failure," which is a soft term for abuse at the hands of people who are very insecure with being documented. The "Camcorders for Cops" promotion came on the heels of his death after he repeatedly threatened to kill an enemy of his, who apparently took the treats seriously. We have 3G networks in Tulsa, and streaming live video from a phone you pull from your pocket will be more and more common. Odds are the average citizen will have "crash cams" and streaming video before our police figure it's time to catch up. Yeah, the kid was a smart donkey, and played the cops like a fiddle. Does that say more about the subjects or the cops? Good supervision makes for good police. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Wilbur on September 27, 2007, 02:26:31 pm quote: Well, considering officers don't go back to their divisions at the end of their shift, pretty well blows that bogus theory right out of the water. And I won't even address Mr. Bear's comments since he obviously doesn't have one bit of fact to back that crazy comment up with. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Wilbur on September 27, 2007, 02:36:54 pm quote: The "guys in the city garage" never work on communication/electronic features in a car, so they have no idea what was wrong with the systems, nor would they ever agree to look at one. Only Telecommunications employees work on these types of add-on equipment. Any they could not keep supplies in stock to keep the systems going. Couldn't even piece a system together with parts from several. The new stuff is nice, digital has helped tremendously, along with the ruggidized stuff that is out there (all adds to the price). The 'tivo' feature in the newer systems help so you don't end up recording 10-hours worth of garbage for 5-minutes worth of evidence. The new stuff, once you hit the record button, will go back a minute or two and start recording, so you're not trying to save 10-hours of video on a huge hard drive. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Friendly Bear on September 27, 2007, 02:41:49 pm quote: In a previous discussion that we had you advocated cell phone jammers for police, in case some bad guys were coordinating doing something when the police stop one of their gang. And, obviously to jam a civilian's transmission of officer conduct. Just a coincidental benefit. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Friendly Bear on September 27, 2007, 02:43:15 pm quote: You'll have to narrow down which crazy comment of mine you're referring to before I respond. Some Forum Detractors think there are so many.... Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: MH2010 on September 27, 2007, 02:59:19 pm quote: I advocated not letting people talk on cell phones while the car stop is being conducted because it was an officer safety issue. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Friendly Bear on September 27, 2007, 03:48:44 pm quote: Maybe the person is calling for LEGAL advice. Like, is this policeman permitted to search my car without a search warrant? Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: MH2010 on September 27, 2007, 06:05:15 pm quote: Then their LAWYER will understand what is happening and would have no problem speaking to the law enforcement officer. They would LOVE to bill the person an hour to speak to an officer for 30 seconds. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Friendly Bear on September 27, 2007, 06:21:33 pm quote: No, that would violate Attorney-Client privilege. On the other hand, if the attorney tells his client to PRETTY PLEASE put the policeman on the phone, then THAT would be another matter. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: MH2010 on September 27, 2007, 07:13:25 pm Do you actually know what attorney-client privilege is? I think your guessing.
Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Friendly Bear on September 27, 2007, 07:20:39 pm quote: Why don't YOU tell us what it is?? Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Friendly Bear on September 27, 2007, 07:26:46 pm quote: How about CITIZEN safety? Video phones keep police honest. Nothing else does. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: MH2010 on September 27, 2007, 07:41:32 pm I knew you didn't know what it was.
cell phones can also hurt you or even kill you.... http://www.safetyproductsunlimited.com/cell_phone_stun_gun.html http://www.tbotech.com/cellphonestungun.htm http://cryptome.org/handy-gun.htm http://www.local6.com/news/9243672/detail.html Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: tulsa_fan on September 27, 2007, 08:48:25 pm Did someone recently post about how worthless this forum had become? This tread is point and case.
I'm not going to defend or crucify the St. Louis officer, I wasn't there. I'm fairly confident no one on here has seen all the evidence and knows all the facts. I just put my two year old to bed and we said our prayers, as every night, one of them is, please keep daddy safe. See that's what my husband does every night, he puts on a bullet proof vest to product ungrateful citizens like some of those posting here. Gus Spanos is a hero no matter what, he was doing his job and was shot and killed for it. As I have taken time for the last 7 years to attend Tulsa and State memorial services, I know what its like to look an officer's family in the face and see their grief, regardless of how long it has been since their officer made the ultimate sacrifice. Most officers would be happy to have some kind of equipment to document what they do. See you like to take a small percentage of a huge group and assume they are all like that. I have never pretended there are not officers on the force that shouldn't be. But this number is small. I'm so sick of hearing so many of you *****ing about their driving, their tone of voice, crap, you probably don't like their uniforms either. How many of you have actually taken the time to ride along with an officer?? Not an officer who hasn't sniffed the streets in years, or an FOP Groupie who has lost their own common sense, but an officer who works the street night after night. See what they see. See why they might be speeding without their lights on. You make such assumptions and have no idea what you are talking about. There is a huge majority of officers out there that took their oath seriously, they are Police Officers 24/7, their oath says they will do their job and sacrifice with their life if need be. How many of you have had to leave a store, or a dinner out or a movie because someone comes in that your spouse has recently dealt with, and although he was only enforcing the law, that person spit in their face and said I hope I never find your family? See I have. Again, get off your soap box and take time to ride around with an officer, see what its like. No one is perfect, but you are lucky to have so many good officers in Tulsa who put that uniform on each day and work their asses off for your safety, only to be kicked around. Don't you think they get that enough from the thugs they are keeping away from you. I'm just as annoyed as the next person when an officer does something stupid to make them all look bad, but I take offense when everyone jumps on board and leaps to the conclusion that police officers are authority hungry, power gurus whose whole purpose is to be asses to everyone they run into. /vent over . . . it not like the people who are idiots would appreciate this anyway. Thanks to those of you who are reasonable. I'm proud of what my husband does. He's one (of hundreds here who are) of the good ones. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Mike G on September 28, 2007, 03:38:25 am Curious, how about you guys post where you work and let us generalize about 'your job' and what all is done wrong. cannon_fodder is absolutely correct, people assume that an officer is just speeding for no good reason, or is being a prick just because. Maybe there's a hostage situation a few blocks away and it's the first officer in the area. If you had a gun to your head by a robber at a bank, would you want officers screaming in lights and sirens?
Remember, if you don't like the police, next time you're in trouble, call a crack head! Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on September 28, 2007, 08:26:47 am Please try to read the entire post, its long... but its long because I'm trying to be very clear in my position.
- - - Mike: According to the law - which the officer is sworn to enforce, the police may only violate traffic ordinances in the case of an emergency, in which case they must utilize lights and a siren when practical (ie. no siren if zooming in for a sting). They are not free to go 85 miles per hour over lunch down HWY 75 after leaving the 36th N. precinct without lights on. Oh, but they do and they did. Yesterday, just after I posted this message. This happens ALL THE TIME. Its the norm. I travel at +5 the speed limit and more often than not cops pass me. I consistently flip out my cell phone and video their car #s as they ZOOOOOM by me. Usually I can't get close enough even by flooring it to get the car # on video. Blatently illegal and extremely hazardous action by someone who is supposed to stop such things. Swerving in and out of traffic, tailgating people until they get out of the way. This particular car exited on Pine and went to McDonalds (I went across the way to Popeye's, mmmm). What an emergency! If I did such a thing I would be arrest for reckless driving and public endangerment. I was tempted to pull a "citizens arrest" but we all know how that would end. Wilbur: I realize police in Tulsa keep their cars at home. I also know what I see. Maybe they are going in to do paper work, maybe when I worked downtown they were zooming to a court date. I have no idea their reasons. The one time I followed a guy to the 36th North location and pulled into the lot to ask him "Excuse me? What was the emergency that you passed me at 85+ MPH on HWY 11?" he ignored me and walked directly into the building. There is no point in trying to actually do anything but complain. The aforementioned kid actually had it on video and they still feel free to harass him. No way I could get anything done and would certainly face the same treatment. But every time I see a cop zoom by me it makes me extremely angry, to me its an expression of "I'm above the law." Perhaps there is a reason I do not know about. Are you honestly telling me you don't see cops fly by you on city streets and expressways commonly? If you see a cop with no lights pass you at +15 the speed limit with no lights does that stand out as unusual? Unfortunately for me, it doesnt. and another thing. I do not hide my real name on here. I seriously questioned the intelligence of posting this complaint for fear of reprisals. I do not think it will happen, but I know that it can. Tulsa_Fan 1) Forums are worthless if they have opinions I disagree with. I disagree with cannon_fodder's opinion. This forum is worthless. In my humblest of opinions, forums are worthless if there is nothing on there worth discussing. If everyone thought the same thing with no discourse, disagreement, or discussion there would be no point in a forum nor debate. Topics like this, that evoke strong emotion and disagreement, are the POINT of discussion. 2) You refuse to blame the St. Louis officer at all? Under what circumstances would it be appropriate for an officer to threaten to fabricate charges, falsely impound someones car, threaten them with personal injury, threaten to destroy evidence or scream belittling comments into their face? Seems to be the answer to all of the above would be never. Police are supposed to BE THE LAW, they should be an example of what to do. All the above behavior is a crime for which an officer could lawfully arrest someone (screaming in face would be questionable). If you refuse to condemn this behavior as caught on video by this kid and the officer, then I assume you will not condemn any activity short of something extreme. All the facts are out. The officer's own tape has been obtained and he has been fired after a peer review. An overt threat to abuse your authority is the worst action a person entrusted with the power of the law can take - the prosecutors office is looking into the possibility of criminal prosecution. One has to assume that this was not the first such incident by this officer. Just the first time he was caught. In any event, we can absolutely not tolerate such abuses or the police will lose all public support. That quickly leads to a collapse of society (see "ghettos" in LA or Detroit where the police get no help. When the police lose control bad things happen). 3) Ride Along Yes, as part of my Criminal Procedures class I did a ride along in North Tulsa. As explained in class, there is a "legal" way of doing things (what you put down on a law school essay) and then there is the "real way" of doing things. I certainly saw the real way on my ride along. Officer's are not stupid people, most are very smart and very well trained. And more often than not they are doing things the way that makes their job the easiest (everyone does their job the easiest). More often than not the procedure was to find a car that looked suspicious, find an excuse to pull them over (failure to turn into near lane was an easy one), then say they are acting funny and search the car. On my ride along this scenario took place twice, and twice they found marijuana in the car (one guy was arrested because he was on probation, the other was lectured and let go after they made him call his parents - that ruled). They also broke up a domestic fight and hauled the woman to jail (apparently the dude was cheating, but that's not an excuse to beat him with a mop handle - he was HUGE). Responded to an injury hit and run. And answered a call for a prowler at an older ladies house. 4) Leave I have never had to leave because of my spouses action, but I'm an attorney... I have left restaurants or exited the grocery store because someone I had sued, deposed, or examined was in there. Even though I was just doing my job. I imagine foreclosing on someones house, or repossessing their assets in Bankruptcy, or filing a divorce renders similar emotions. I also imagine your husband has the misfortune of many more such encounters. 5) Kicked Around Yes, Tulsa has many good officers. The vast majority of encounters I have had were pleasant. The one exception was when the officer got the speed limit wrong on Harvard and I had to tell him he was wrong as politely as possible. Long story, but 30 minutes later I was let off with a warning (for going 40 in a 40, he thought it was a 35 from 31st to 21st). I have also called the police when someone drove by and shot at me. When I caught a car thief (saw a hit and run, tried to catch up and get the guys plate and he bolted... seemed strange. Turns out the truck was stolen, but he left his motel key in the truck. And for good measure, the car he hit was also stolen AND it was the same intersection I later got shot at). When some kids broke into my neighbors house. And I encounter them at the TU game, at Oktoberfest and out and about. Every time they have been polite and professional. 6) I'd also like to point out I'm not an idiot and I do not appreciate the personal attack. If you read my entire post you would see that I NEVER attacked anyone on a personal level. I acknowledged the police have a difficult job and that they largely do the best they can. However, they need to serve as the best examples that they can - and I believe they can do better. - - - - - - - The police in Tulsa have always done a very good job as far as I can tell. They have a difficult task and deal with people everyday that I would rather not. I teach my son to treat them with the utmost respect and I do so myself. I appreciate the vital job they perform for society and am fully aware that there is a staggering LACK of corruption and misconduct by police across the United States. Compared to most nations our police officers are absolute saints. However, they are not perfect and they are not above criticism. The small act of traffic infringements taints their entire image. Other than that, I would not have any real complaints with the TPD. Its such an easy thing to understand - if you are violating the traffic laws have your lights on. Otherwise, the impression is that they are simply doing so because they can - because they ARE the law and do not have to follow it. In a traffic scenario it really isnt that big of a deal. But it is the attitude that it conveys that is alarming. and it is entirely possible that I misunderstand the scenario. Maybe the ordinances and state laws that I understand have exceptions that I do not know of. I am not attempting to be trite, but if this is the case please enlighten me. Clearly your husband would know more about this than I would. However, it should be understood that the majority of people see and think the same thing. It simply is not good for their image nor public relations. I suspect he would watch the above posted videos and have two comments: #1 Screw that stupid little kid (who was trying to be a jerk). and #2 How stupid of the officer to respond that way. Anyway, thank your husband for me. In spite of my criticism I greatly appreciate the job he does. If you feel like it, I would appreciate a possible explanation. Perhaps I am totally missing something and jumping to a horrible conclusion. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: jne on September 28, 2007, 09:15:30 am A small box of laser jet labels, just cost me $130 including my speeding ticket (where the officer clearly exaggerated my speed - u know I'm gonna take this down to less than 10 over so you won't incur points) B.S., maybe 8 over for a few seconds max. I was thinking my tag may have just expired. On the positive side, that was the fasted ticket I've ever received. Aside from the BS'ng on the speed, he was polite and respectful. He took my info wrote it, threw it my window and I sped off (within the limit) I hope the money goes to something productive as it will replace my contribution to the Community Food bank for the next 2 months.
And yes, it is hard to swallow when I have to see officers in patrol cars abusing their privilege on nearly a daily basis. I understand there are circumstance that warrant breaking traffic laws with no lights or siren, but lets be real here. We all know it is more than that,and talking straight about it does not mean we don't respect the work that officers do. Note to officers and their families: Getting on a sentimental soap box is not going to win the rapport that simply respecting the law you or your loved one is sworn to uphold. We do realize that not everyone is an abuser, but it has clearly gotten out of hand. How many more officer involved accidents do we have to see before there is a big response from all law enforcement agencies to reign in this practice? In Tulsa, all of this flies in the face of the argument to take home patrol cars. I think it is a benefit for the city to have take home cars (the ones parked in Tulsa), but I will find it hard to feel sorry for the officers if they lose them. Same as I find it difficult to feel sorry for Robby Bell for losing his park. Tulsa is the one who's been short changed. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: RecycleMichael on September 28, 2007, 10:03:54 am I understand your anger...but were you speeding?
If you were, the police officer was doing his job to make the streets safer. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: jne on September 28, 2007, 10:09:36 am quote: Thank you Mr. obvious. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: RecycleMichael on September 28, 2007, 10:20:06 am I know it is obvious that you were speeding. I didn't mean to judge you, but you seemed mad that the policeman was doing his job.
The thread was started with a policeman clearly going over the line...he deserves a reprimand. But what did the Tulsa officer do wrong? Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: jne on September 28, 2007, 10:36:16 am quote: I'm not mad at the policeman for doing his job. I am mad that I have a $120 dollar ticket for not watching my speedometer like a hawk. If I could afford it, then I wouldn't sweat it. My point is that when citizen see officers holding themselves to another standard, it puts a strain on their relationship with law enforcement. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: RecycleMichael on September 28, 2007, 10:47:47 am That makes sense.
I want everybody to obey the speed limit, including non-emergency work by police officers. I guess I underestimated the number of speeding police cars in our town. I just try to get out of their way and assume they need to go that fast. I really dislike speeders in residential neighborhoods. I think those fines should be double. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Friendly Bear on September 28, 2007, 12:25:26 pm quote: He was more than reprimanded. He was fired last week, according to the AP. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/POLICE_VIDEO?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US/ Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Friendly Bear on September 28, 2007, 12:40:22 pm quote: You have no relationship with Law Enforcement. You are there to OBEY. Not reason with. Not question. Not assert your constitutional rights. Obey. They can arrest you "impeding", and have your car towed and stowed at your expense for anything less than total, immediate and abject OBEDIANCE. Later, if you're still alive after the encounter with the police, THEN your lawyer can try and assert your constitutional rights, before a judge. Radley Balko at www.TheAgitator.com has written extensively for Cato Institute about the militarization of the police, and about the routine use of SWAT teams far beyond their original purposes, which was hostage crisis situations. Now, since there are now literally thousands of SWAT teams in police jurisdictions throughout the U.S., to mission has morphed into serving "drug" warrants. When the War on Drugs was declared back in the 1970's, war was declared on us. By our leaders, using the police. It's been getting worse every year. Judges signing No Knock late night Drug Search Warrants are signing the death warrants of civilians. Balko has documented so many mistakes with SWAT teams serving No Knock Drug Warrants that our Judges, if they cared, would be very reluctant to sign them. They unnecessarily ESCALATE the police violence against U.S. citizens. Drugs are a big problem, but they are a matter of personal choice, and basically victimless crimes but do contribute to other criminal acts like dealing, pimping, and prostituting. Legalize drugs, and treat the addicts for their sickness. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: tulsa_fan on September 28, 2007, 01:31:03 pm Cannon - I appreciate your post. I wanted to clarify two things quickly. When I was previewing my post last night, I meant to change this first line to saw something like how this tread has spiralled into or whatever. I meant to imply I had no problem with the topic, it was the way it had turned from an idiot in St. Louis to all TPD think the laws don't apply to them, etc. Basically a TPD sucks thread, I think we have had a ton of those. That's what started the vent . . .
Secondly, I said wasn't going to defend or crucify that officer, I haven't had time to see all the stories about it. I agree with what little I know, he has crossed the line, but it has been the case in many things like this that the public is only privy to the end result and not the circumstances that pushed the officer to the edge. That's what I didn't address that situation. Ask me what I think about the Tulsa officer in Glenpool? From what I know about that, he's an idiot. He should have stiff consequences for his actions. it's the actions of a few that tarnish the entire department, I'd just like to hear more people ackowledge that instead of generalizing all officers. I think the civil service protection is something that has become a necessary evil. I understand why you don't want a political environment having such control over employment, arrest the mayor's daughter for a valid offense? Oh you are fired. But on the flip side of it I have seen over and over again officers get their jobs back or punishment lessened by fighting from the lodge and civil service. I don't wear rose colored glasses, I know there are people who shouldn't be on the force, but the vast majority of the officers are deserving of the responsiblity they have been trusted with. And you are not the "idiots" I was thinking about. Wish I had more time, maybe later, but I have to run Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: sauerkraut on September 29, 2007, 08:26:00 am Like it or not, the cops are a step above everyone else, they can run red lights and get away with it, it's not right and There's really nothing anyone can do about that. When a cop stops you it's wise to remember it's his ball game, his rules, even more so when your all alone in the car with no witnesses, just play along and make him happy. If you feel it was unjust and you got burned, just make a complaint about it at a latter time after the encounter. When a cop stops you at 2am it's his ballgame right or wrong and a wise man will play along with the cop while a foolish man will be a smart a** and wind up in jail on all sorts of charges and a criminal record to boot, the cop will always come out the winner with all encounters.. I got jumped on by cops at 2am for sleeping in my pick-up truck, I was doing alot of driving and I got sleepy and I pulled into a vacant lot to sleep off it was right off a I-70 exit.... They always say don't drive when your sleepy.... The cop bang on my window at 2am, woke me up and checked me out, and ran me off the lot half awake, I was forced to drive off the lot and back on to the interstate highway sleepy. I could of fell asleep behind the wheel and caused a wreck. Lucky I found a truck stop a few miles down the road and pulled in there to sleep. I didn't argue with the cop, I knew I would not win any such arguement so why bother.[B)]
Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Goodpasture on September 29, 2007, 09:16:50 am quote: Not a problem...........I am a real estate appraiser and I get as much if not more grief than cops do. The difference is, I get it when I do my job right. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Wilbur on September 29, 2007, 06:54:55 pm quote: I feel your pain, brother. I feel your pain. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: RecycleMichael on September 29, 2007, 07:26:20 pm I collect recyclables out of trash.
Most people don't yell at me because of where I work...I am thankful for that. That is not to say that people don't yell at me. All kinds of people. Even my wife and I recently had words, unfortunately, I didn't get to use any of mine. Title: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Rowdy on September 29, 2007, 08:04:48 pm The reason it is a little different is I don't change cops lives by doing my job. They however, need to uphold their end and like so many have posted, it doesn't happen. I see cops all the time with sudden lane changes and no signaling their intentions.
I wont even go into the absolute lies during court proceedings either. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 26, 2012, 07:19:07 pm http://thislandpress.com/04/26/2012/conduct-unbecoming-tulsa-police-captain-officer-ensnared-in-sex-scandal Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 (UNCENSORED!) Post by: Teatownclown on April 26, 2012, 10:57:35 pm http://thislandpress.com/04/26/2012/conduct-unbecoming-tulsa-police-captain-officer-ensnared-in-sex-scandal WOWWWWWW!!!!! Hey Mods, can you put up these links? OMFG! Unbecoming is an understatement. This Land Press rocks! Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 (POLICE RUN A MUCK) Post by: Teatownclown on April 26, 2012, 11:03:43 pm (http://thislandpress.com/wp-content/themes/thislandv2/timthumb.php?src=http://thislandpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/ConductUnbecoming.jpg&w=490&zc=1)
yowzah! Calling Larry Flint.... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: tulsa_fan on April 27, 2012, 11:06:28 am Yeh, it's bad . . . . don't even know what to say :'(
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: AquaMan on April 27, 2012, 11:25:11 am Yeh, it's bad . . . . don't even know what to say :'( Actually, I think less of This Land for sensationalizing the story. He is a stupid cop for having done stuff and should probably be fired for doing it in his uniform, but everyone has heard of disgruntled mates who accuse their philandering ex's (married or not) of sexual deviance, child abuse or whatever the most unseemly thing they can think of to punish them. This is tabloid stuff and I had thought better of This Land. The alleged pic of Kellerhas was voyeuristic and un-necessary. But I did enjoy it.... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 27, 2012, 11:54:15 am yowzah! Calling Larry Flint.... It's much less funny when you get to the allegations of child pornography. The police chief's response was downright cryptic: The allegations reported to the Police Department, and later published in "This Land," were stored on a privately owned computer and were password protected. On advice of the City Legal Department, the Police Department was unable to legally access that information. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on April 27, 2012, 12:43:44 pm Actually, I think less of This Land for sensationalizing the story. He is a stupid cop for having done stuff and should probably be fired for doing it in his uniform, but everyone has heard of disgruntled mates who accuse their philandering ex's (married or not) of sexual deviance, child abuse or whatever the most unseemly thing they can think of to punish them. This is tabloid stuff and I had thought better of This Land. The alleged pic of Kellerhas was voyeuristic and un-necessary. But I did enjoy it.... The only sensational aspect of the story was the gratuitous cleavage shot, if that was even the officer’s...uh...set. It’s newsworthy when someone who was sworn to serve and protect may be engaging in illegal explicit activity, and someone who is on public payroll is getting their jollies while on duty. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Teatownclown on April 27, 2012, 12:54:50 pm Yes. I do agree it seems sensationalized by TLP. Especially, in comparison to Henderson et al. And I agree with your cleavage observation.
Was harm done? Does not appear so except to a couple of cops credibility. I wonder if they have had exemplary records in the field while on duty? [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYvy3kBYN4Q[/youtube] "sex and sex and look at me...I'm shattered" Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 27, 2012, 12:57:43 pm It was all his fault for hooking up with a woman on match.com
Desperate much ? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Teatownclown on April 27, 2012, 01:07:32 pm It was all his fault for hooking up with a woman on match.com Desperate much ? You sound as though you've had experience with this method.... ??? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 27, 2012, 01:25:00 pm You sound as though you've had experience with this method.... ??? Nope. But I have a ignorant Brother who did. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on April 27, 2012, 03:10:52 pm Yes. I do agree it seems sensationalized by TLP. Especially, in comparison to Henderson et al. And I agree with your cleavage observation. Was harm done? Does not appear so except to a couple of cops credibility. I wonder if they have had exemplary records in the field while on duty? [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYvy3kBYN4Q[/youtube] "sex and sex and look at me...I'm shattered" Getting a hummer on duty in the squad car doesn’t really rise to the level of exemplary. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: custosnox on April 27, 2012, 04:02:04 pm And it gets worse
http://thislandpress.com/04/27/2012/conduct-unbecoming-part-2/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 27, 2012, 04:10:48 pm And it gets worse http://thislandpress.com/04/27/2012/conduct-unbecoming-part-2/ Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: AquaMan on April 27, 2012, 05:26:40 pm This all happened over 2 years ago. Why has it taken this long to become public knowledge?
Also, I am surprised that an alleged pedophile would engage with both children and adults. I thought they only went one way. Is this not unusual? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: sgrizzle on April 27, 2012, 08:22:38 pm This all happened over 2 years ago. Why has it taken this long to become public knowledge? Also, I am surprised that an alleged pedophile would engage with both children and adults. I thought they only went one way. Is this not unusual? The one incident happened two years ago, the rest has been ongoing according to the story. My bet is he just has a bunch of school/young girl type porn and it sounds better by saying they look like they're underage. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: custosnox on April 28, 2012, 09:58:52 am The one incident happened two years ago, the rest has been ongoing according to the story. My first thought are all the "teen" porn sights that have 18 and 19 year olds (or at least that's the claim).My bet is he just has a bunch of school/young girl type porn and it sounds better by saying they look like they're underage. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 28, 2012, 11:35:33 am The one incident happened two years ago, the rest has been ongoing according to the story. FOX23 also contacted the Tulsa Police Department to see whether King's status as a Captain and field officer would change after the filing of the protective order. One provision of some protective orders is that the respondent can not have access to weapons, thus jeopardizing King's job status. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 01, 2012, 05:52:17 pm http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=443&articleid=20120501_11_A11_CUTLIN382922 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 03, 2012, 07:11:56 pm Quote The statement released by Chief Jordan explains the TPD basis for deciding not to investigate. It reports that the sexually explicit photographs in question “were stored on a privately owned computer and were password protected.” It also explains that when that laptop was presented the City Legal Department advised that TPD was “unable to legally access that information.” The legal theory is not spelled out but it appears that ownership and the password were the key barriers. We assume there is more to the decision than the statement tells us, but it is all we know at this point. This all seems very weak: It’s 2012. We can’t imagine that TPD simply walks away from otherwise legally-obtainable, potential evidence just because a password is in the way, especially when it is brought to investigators. According to Ms. Roberts, when she handed the evidence to Internal Affairs, she wrote the password on a Post-It note and stuck it to the laptop. The password was still there when the laptop was returned. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on May 03, 2012, 10:34:02 pm Wow!
Anyone else wonder how many other people with personally-owned computers with password protection are now sitting in prison for having alleged child porn on the hard drive? I really hate to sound like a cop-basher, but if they’ve got a POS in their midst, they need to root him out. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 08, 2012, 06:18:48 pm Quote The lawyer for one of the policemen charged in the beating of a mentally ill homeless man suggested Tuesday that it was medical professionals –- not police officers -– who are to blame for the death of Kelly Thomas. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU0Imk2Bstg[/youtube]Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: AquaMan on May 08, 2012, 06:46:24 pm [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU0Imk2Bstg[/youtube] I made it to about 15 minutes where they started beating him for not putting his hands on his knees and his feet out in front of him. Disgusting. Where did this happen? Did I hear Fullerton? Please tell me these guys were charged with something. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on May 09, 2012, 08:31:37 am There are not enough words to sum up the disdain for what those officers did to that man. The POS Fat Mexican Cop needs to be sentenced to Prison and put in a general population yard and have six inmates beat his unarmed a$$ to death just as him and his boys did.
He got exactly what he was working on. Trying to make the man do one thing wrong and then he could start beating him with his baton. Fifteen minutes of finding nothing in his backpack pi$$ed him off so he had to give him more stupid commands to make him say he was tired of playing games and stand up. The other officer was half way decent. Not so much on a power trip like his buddy. I like how their anger turns to concern after they put the flashlight on his face and realize how bad they had beaten him. If you havent seen the photos of him in the Hospital. You should look them up. It is absolutly horrible. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on May 09, 2012, 10:50:07 am There are not enough words to sum up the disdain for what those officers did to that man. The POS Fat Mexican Cop needs to be sentenced to Prison and put in a general population yard and have six inmates beat his unarmed a$$ to death just as him and his boys did. He got exactly what he was working on. Trying to make the man do one thing wrong and then he could start beating him with his baton. Fifteen minutes of finding nothing in his backpack pi$$ed him off so he had to give him more stupid commands to make him say he was tired of playing games and stand up. The other officer was half way decent. Not so much on a power trip like his buddy. I like how their anger turns to concern after they put the flashlight on his face and realize how bad they had beaten him. If you havent seen the photos of him in the Hospital. You should look them up. It is absolutly horrible. Im glad this didnt turn out to be in Tulsa. It's a California murder just now going to trial: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas "We ran out of options so I got the end of my Taser and I probably ... I just start smashing his face to hell," says Cpl. Jay Cicinelli. Officer Ramos and Cpl. Cicinelli are the only two policemen charged in the beating death of Kelly Thomas. Ramos is charged with one count each of second degree murder and involuntary manslaughter. Cicinelli is charged with one count each of involuntary manslaughter and excessive force. The 33-minute video starts with Thomas being approached by Fullerton Police Department Officer Manuel Ramos, who engages him in conversation. By minute 15, Ramos has already donned latex gloves. "You see my fists?" Ramos asks Thomas. "They're getting ready to fu@k you up." Cicinelli can be seen striking Thomas — and heard telling a colleague: "I just smashed his face to hell." At 17:29, officers pile on top of Thomas, who screams: "I can't breathe!" At 21:25, blood gurgles in Thomas' throat. At 21:49, he shrieks: "Daddy! Daddy!" At 22:36 come his last words: "Help me! Help me!" The 37-year-old homeless man died from facial injuries, including blood in his nose, crushed trachea and mechanical compression to his chest that made it difficult for him to breathe and deprived his brain of vital oxygen, said Dr. Aruna Singhania, a forensic pathologist for Orange County. "The ongoing compression of his chest ultimately led him to have a respiratory arrest" Also contributing to his death were brain injuries, facial and rib fractures, and the extensive bruising and abrasions he suffered during the beating, which left him lying in a "growing pool of blood," The toxicology report shows that Thomas had no illicit drugs or alcohol in his system. Defense attorneys for the Fullerton officers are challenging whether it was the officers or the medics who later treated Thomas who caused his death last July after the violent encounter outside a bus depot. (http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3ow1vzug81qc4mtvo1_1280.jpg) (http://ocoathkeepers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/kelly-thomas.jpg) Kelly Thomas died five days after the beating without regaining consciousness; his chest was so compressed it deprived his brain of oxygen as blood from his facial wounds poured into his lungs. Since that day, his father, Ron Thomas, a former Orange County sheriff's deputy, has crusaded to hold accountable the officers, the department and city. http://documents.latimes.com/kelly-thomas-father-sues-fullerton-police-beating/ The case is the subject of a rare trial for officers. An Orange County judge has ordered Officer Manuel Ramos to stand trial for second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter and Cpl. Jay Cicinelli, 40, for involuntary manslaughter and excessive use of force. Ramos, according to prosecutors, is the first officer in Orange County to be charged with murder on duty. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on May 09, 2012, 11:13:20 am Thanks for those pics Pat. They sum it all up. Cop tries to claim a little boo boo on his elbow was justification to kill a unarmed man. And I retrack my comments about his officer friend. Since he is the one that beat his face in while his fat partner sat on his chest.
They are just flat out murderers. Second degree manslaughter carries a nothing sentence. So way to go Cali Justice. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 09, 2012, 06:29:15 pm They are just flat out murderers. Second degree manslaughter carries a nothing sentence. So way to go Cali Justice. Quote San Diego, California (CNN) -- As evidenced by media stories and public awareness campaigns, Americans have resolved to get tough on bullying. In that spirit, it's time to send a message to bullies with badges. We need to tell police who prey on the vulnerable: "No more! When you pile on a suspect and beat him to death, we will treat you just like any other alleged criminal. We will arrest you and prosecute you. And if convicted, you will go to prison for a very long time. We will make an example out of you so that other police officers will think twice before abusing their power." The messenger could be the jury that will hear the case against two police officers in Fullerton, California, a city about 25 miles southeast of Los Angeles. A judge ruled Wednesday that the officers will stand trial in the beating death last July of Kelly Thomas, a 37-year-old homeless man afflicted with schizophrenia. This week, at the preliminary hearing to determine whether enough evidence supports proceeding with a trial, prosecutors aired a graphic video of the savage beating. The footage shows about a half dozen officers punching and kicking and putting pressure on Thomas' chest, firing electric shocks from a Taser stun gun, all to supposedly subdue a suspect well beyond the point where he is resisting or capable of resisting arrest. What we see in that 33 minutes of footage, including a defenseless Thomas screaming in pain, saying he's sorry and pleading for help, should never happen in the United States of America. When it does happen, it can't be tolerated, justified, or excused. That's coming from the son of a retired cop. My father wore a badge for 36 years, and he has no stomach for police brutality. In fact, about 20 years ago, when another piece of videotape surfaced -- that of the Rodney King beating by police officers in 1991 -- I remember my father telling me that, as far as he was concerned, those out-of-control law enforcement officers wailing on King had ceased being cops and become little more than thugs and criminals. As it turns out, Thomas' father is also a retired law enforcement officer. This is a good dad. But he was also, apparently, a good cop who trained fellow deputies on the right way to take down suspects. This is the wrong way. Thomas described the officers' actions as nothing less than a "hate crime against the homeless and mentally ill." Last year, Fullerton city officials offered Thomas nearly a million dollars to settle the case. He turned it down, and instead pushed for a criminal trial. http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/09/opinion/navarrette-police-brutality/index.html [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcANp2FtE0k[/youtube] Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Teatownclown on May 09, 2012, 09:21:36 pm Thanks for those pics Pat. They sum it all up. Cop tries to claim a little boo boo on his elbow was justification to kill a unarmed man. And I retrack my comments about his officer friend. Since he is the one that beat his face in while his fat partner sat on his chest. They are just flat out murderers. Second degree manslaughter carries a nothing sentence. So way to go Cali Justice. It's too bad the job often attracts a personality type not suited for the position. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 10, 2012, 06:32:24 pm So way to go Cali Justice. They could have just checked the officer's tattoos to see which gang they were in. Each time they kill someone, they get to add a wisp of smoke coming from the gun: (http://www.trbimg.com/img-4fab142d/turbine/la-me-sheriff-clique.jpg-20120509/600) Other gangs let you earn your colors just by breaking prisoners bones. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-sheriff-clique-20120510,0,728956.story http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/04/la_sheriffs_gang_jump_out_boys.php Quote What happens when the very badges chosen to dismantle and disempower gangs form a gang of their own? It's no secret that the L.A. County Sheriff's Department -- whose reputation with the public has completely disintegrated under Sheriff Lee Baca, in a swirl of scandals including rogue/racist deputies beating inmates to a pulp, prisoners in wheelchairs dragging themselves across the jailhouse floor, and worse -- is a breeding ground for deputy cliques. Some of the ones who have been outed, over the years: The 3000 Boys. The 2000 Boys. The Grim Reapers. The Little Devils. The Regulators. The Vikings. (Yes, it appears the Sheriff's Department is living out a 1980s biker bromance flick.) But what about when the department's own Gang Enforcement Team morphs into a fiercely loyal group of gangsters in uniform who function outside department policy and fight street-gang violence with their own special brand of trigger-happy, Wild West policing? The Los Angeles Times alleges in an anonymously sourced article posted yesterday evening that a group called the Jump Out Boys has formed within the elite gang unit. And sheriff's officials seem to be acknowledging the discovery of "a document suggesting the group embraces shootings as a badge of honor." From the Times: The document described a code of conduct for the Jump Out Boys, a clique of hard-charging, aggressive deputies who gain more respect after being involved in a shooting, according to sources with knowledge of the investigation. The pamphlet is relatively short, sources said, and explains that deputies earn admission into the group through the endorsement of members. The moniker is telling of the gang cops' alleged obsession with taking criminals by surprise and, uh, blasting their brains out. To quote Urban Dictionary, because that seems pretty appropriate right now: "The 'Jump Out Boys' are usually either the swat team, or the cops on stake outs inside the sound van, listening in on wiretaps or wired informants. When tipped off, or alerted, these officers are known to jump out of the vehicle and subdue suspects by force... . Some gangs and/or squads are known to call themselves 'Jump Out Boys' due to their similar, jump out style." "The last thing anybody wants to do in law enforcement is shoot a weapon," sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore tells the Times. But cop-to-criminal gunfire has been on the uptick. If officer-involved shootings are indeed being worn as a badge of honor, that might explain the recent surge in hazy incidents where L.A. Sheriff's deputies claim they had to shoot because a suspect reached for his waistband. (A go-to when the target turns out not to have been armed, or was shot in the back, etc.) Then again, how can we really expect these little boys to behave any better, when a former (?) member of The Lynwood Vikings -- a "neo-Nazi, white supremacist gang" within the Sheriff's Department -- has been promoted to Baca's executive staff? We're talking about Undersheriff Paul Tanaka, the notorious puppeteer behind Baca's "Teflon" regime who still wears a Vikings tattoo on his ankle. And he may not be the only supervisor in deep, as dogged sheriff watchdog Witness LA reveals in its post on the Jump Out Boys: WitnessLA has acquired a partial list of Vikings working inside the department culled from sworn depositions for various court cases. The list indicates there are Vikings members scattered at supervisory levels throughout the LASD including inside the departments' internal investigatory units like IAB and ICIB. Based on this information, it would appear the Vikings are investigating the Jump Out Boys. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: shadows on May 12, 2012, 06:32:19 pm Wow! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Anyone else wonder how many other people with personally-owned computers with password protection are now sitting in prison for having alleged child porn on the hard drive? I really hate to sound like a cop-basher, but if they’ve got a POS in their midst, they need to root him out. Let’s think this out before we repeal the 4th and 5th amendments. The password is an electronic lock on the computer just the same as the physical lock on your doors and requires a search warrant issued by a Judge showing a reasonable cause that it would not support self-incrimination. Much case law is available to sustain the Chief’s and Legal’s opinion. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on June 26, 2012, 10:08:22 am Wow! Anyone else wonder how many other people with personally-owned computers with password protection are now sitting in prison for having alleged child porn on the hard drive? I really hate to sound like a cop-basher, but if they’ve got a POS in their midst, they need to root him out. It's going to be a slow process: An Osage County judge granted a search warrant for a laptop used by a Tulsa police captain accused of rape, This Land Press learned yesterday. As first reported by This Land, Shawn King, a first-shift captain in north Tulsa’s Gilcrease Division, has been accused of raping a minor child of his ex-fiancee Keena Roberts and possessing child pornography, as well as engaging in sexual activity while in uniform and on duty. http://thislandpress.com/roundups/conduct-unbecoming-search-warrant-issued-for-laptop/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on June 28, 2012, 06:32:50 pm After he is told it is being recorded he threatens to impound the car and tear the tapes apart. When he is told that the tape is not in the car by transmitted he suddenly has an awakening and calms down and acts more like you would expect him to. http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1961.asp (video and transcript) Amazing story...that the cop just waltzed from department to department. Quote Kuehnlein himself pleaded guilty of assault and stealing in two different cases, in 1988 and 1990. He successfully petitioned a judge in St. Louis County in 1998 to expunge his criminal record, which was making it hard for him to get work as a cop. The judge ordered those records sealed, as well as records of an acquittal for drunken driving and an assault arrest that did not result in charges. http://www.wikilou.com/wiki1.18.2/index.php?title=St._Louis_Area_Police_Abuse#2007_Harassment_of_Brett_Darrow Quote Arrested for kidnapping and assault http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/officer-in-videotaped-tirade-in-st-george-now-arrested-in/article_4fa372cc-0a81-11e1-b0a6-001a4bcf6878.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on July 13, 2012, 08:14:24 am Can someone please embed the news video of the Owasso officer who was reinstated after his three UFC elbows to a hancuffed man. I still have no idea how to do it.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Weatherdemon on July 13, 2012, 08:33:04 am Can someone please embed the news video of the Owasso officer who was reinstated after his three UFC elbows to a hancuffed man. I still have no idea how to do it. Those elbows were pretty weak but totally inappropriate and un-necessary. He claimed they were to keep the prisoner from spitting on him. It appeared more to me that the cop was pissed about earlier spitting and the guy being a dude so he took some cheap shots. Throwing elbows at a hundcuffed guy doesn't stop spit dumba$$. That said, it wasn't enough to be fired but the suspension without pay was warranted and a nice letter of reprimand should go into his file. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Hoss on July 13, 2012, 08:38:44 am Can someone please embed the news video of the Owasso officer who was reinstated after his three UFC elbows to a hancuffed man. I still have no idea how to do it. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b6_j_hKmhA[/youtube] A little after the 1:40 mark. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on July 13, 2012, 10:24:54 am Throwing elbows at a hundcuffed guy doesn't stop spit dumba$$. You have to credit the City of Owasso for trying to fire him, though. City Manager Rodney Ray told FOX23 he believes the arbitrator exceeded his jurisdictional authority by rewriting the city's policy on excessive force. "There can't be a little bit of unreasonable force,” he said “There can't be a little bit of unnecessary force and the policies of the City of Owasso say there should be no unreasonable or unnecessary force. " Ray adds it also breaks state laws. http://www.fox23.com/content/crime/story/fired-denton-owasso-dontaye-carter/cqsA0X_PJESOpj8nQV3c_w.cspx [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afd2_yvOE4g[/youtube] [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkc8rn0UfSI[/youtube] [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tRctRAQmbo[/youtube] [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa3zwt21Krk[/youtube] Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on July 17, 2012, 06:25:58 pm There are not enough words to sum up the disdain for what those officers did to that man. The POS Fat Mexican Cop needs to be sentenced to Prison and put in a general population yard and have six inmates beat his unarmed a$$ to death just as him and his boys did. He got exactly what he was working on. Trying to make the man do one thing wrong and then he could start beating him with his baton. Fifteen minutes of finding nothing in his backpack pi$$ed him off so he had to give him more stupid commands to make him say he was tired of playing games and stand up. Quote FULLERTON – One of the policemen involved in the confrontation with Kelly Thomas is no longer working for the Fullerton Police Department, city officials said on Tuesday. Prosecutors never charged Officer Joseph Wolfe in connection with the July 2011 incident, though he and five other officers were at the scene. Wolfe was one of the first to respond. Tuesday was Wolfe's last day; he had been with the Fullerton Police Department since January 1999. He had been on unpaid leave since just after the July 5, 2011 incident. Citing state law, Police Department spokesman Cpl. Tim Kandler would not say whether Wolfe had been fired or had resigned. Last week, acting police Chief Dan Hughes announced that another officer, Manuel Ramos, was no longer with the department. The District Attorney's Office has charged Ramos with second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter and Cpl. Jay Cicinelli with involuntary manslaughter and excessive force. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 14, 2012, 06:40:45 pm Wow! Anyone else wonder how many other people with personally-owned computers with password protection are now sitting in prison for having alleged child porn on the hard drive? I really hate to sound like a cop-basher, but if they’ve got a POS in their midst, they need to root him out. Quote Tulsa Police Department Captain Shawn King has been relieved of his duties and suspended from the department with pay, This Land Press learned today. http://thislandpress.com/roundups/conduct-unbecoming-tpd-captain-shawn-king-suspended/ Translation: He will be allowed to resign and become a police officer somewhere else. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on September 15, 2012, 06:53:27 am I still wish I could find a job where I could get light duty and then three months later get suspended with pay. "King, a first shift Captain in North Tulsa’s Gilcrease Division, was previously put on restricted administrative duty pending the outcome of an Osage County investigation that first began in May...." "Tulsa Police Department Captain Shawn King has been relieved of his duties and suspended from the department with pay...." Public unions are awesome. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on October 19, 2012, 12:11:08 pm I still wish I could find a job where I could get light duty and then three months later get suspended with pay. "King, a first shift Captain in North Tulsa’s Gilcrease Division, was previously put on restricted administrative duty pending the outcome of an Osage County investigation that first began in May...." "Tulsa Police Department Captain Shawn King has been relieved of his duties and suspended from the department with pay...." Public unions are awesome. Demoted: http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/TPD-captain-accused-of-inappropriate-behavior/Yu4oJuAg2kCiYAMf2NZefw.cspx Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on October 19, 2012, 12:45:09 pm Quote -Engaged in inappropriate sexual behavior while on duty, in your police uniform, in your office at Gilcrease Division in 2008 -Engaged in inappropriate sexual behavior while on duty, in your police uniform, in your office in Gilcrease Division in 2008 and sending a photograph(s) of this activity via your personal cellular phone to another departmental employee -Engaged in inappropriate sexual behavior while on duty, in your police uniform, in your office in Gilcrease Division in 2008 which was reported in a news story by This Land Press to the public on April 26th, 2012, causing embarrassment to the department. King has 10 days to file a written appeal to the City of Tulsa. Probably ought to quit while he's ahead. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on October 19, 2012, 02:36:06 pm Probably ought to quit while he's ahead. The force or sexual behavior? ;D Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on October 19, 2012, 03:06:49 pm Probably ought to quit while he's ahead. Jordan's actions only relate to violations of department policy that became public. The 17 year-old son of Skiatook realtor Keena Roberts died in his Osage County home late Saturday night from what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. The death occurred amidst an investigation into the alleged molestation of his sister by Roberts’ ex-boyfriend, a Tulsa Police captain. Yesterday, in an emotional, unsolicited posting on This Land’s Facebook wall, Roberts blamed the apparent suicide on stress brought on by the investigation of TPD Captain Shawn King, who is accused of molesting Roberts’ daughter, a minor, while he and Roberts were dating. http://thislandpress.com/roundups/conduct-unbecoming-17-year-old-takes-his-own-life-distraught-mother-blames-embattled-tulsa-police-captain/ When the allegations of computer porn came out, Chief Jordan re-assigned King from the Gilcrease Division to the computer department (Information Services Division). http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20121019_11_0_Tulsap443964 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on January 10, 2013, 07:45:04 pm Those elbows were pretty weak but totally inappropriate and un-necessary. He claimed they were to keep the prisoner from spitting on him. It appeared more to me that the cop was pissed about earlier spitting and the guy being a dude so he took some cheap shots. Throwing elbows at a hundcuffed guy doesn't stop spit dumba$$. That said, it wasn't enough to be fired but the suspension without pay was warranted and a nice letter of reprimand should go into his file. (http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/images/18996114_BG3.jpg) Quote Tulsa County Associate District Judge Dana Kuehn found that reinstating Lt. Mike Denton would pose "a special risk of injury, physical and psychological, to citizens and, if he is allowed reinstatement, the department will be faced with explaining why Owasso allows abusive conduct by its officers, which is against the law." http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=14&articleid=20130110_14_A1_CUTLIN406173Kuehn found Wednesday that Denton engaged in conduct as a police officer that was contrary to law and that the conduct was "inextricably related to his employment duties." Earlier this week, U.S. District Judge James Payne dismissed a lawsuit filed by three Owasso police officers, Jarod Mitchell, Darryl Jones and Lem Mutii, who claimed to have suffered financial losses and humiliation as a result of the temporary suspension of the department's defensive tactics program. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Ed W on January 10, 2013, 09:26:07 pm I'd rather not see this guy back on the job in Owasso because if he's involved in similar incident, the city will be facing an enormous lawsuit. This is probably a damned-if-you-and-damned-if-you-don't situation as the officer could bring a suit if the city refused to reinstate him.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on January 14, 2013, 12:06:57 pm I'd rather not see this guy back on the job in Owasso because if he's involved in similar incident, the city will be facing an enormous lawsuit. This is probably a damned-if-you-and-damned-if-you-don't situation as the officer could bring a suit if the city refused to reinstate him. Is (are) Defensive Tactics just a way to euphemise heavy-handedness, or is it closer to this guy... James Yeager, CEO of Tactical Response, a Tennessee company that trains people in weapon and tactical skills, claimed in a video posted on YouTube and Facebook that he would "start killing people" if President Barack Obama decides to take executive action to pass further gun control policies http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/10/james-yeager-start-killing-people-obama-gun-policy_n_2448751.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Teatownclown on January 19, 2013, 03:33:59 pm Boulder officers arrested, accused of plotting 'trophy' kill of Mapleton elk
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/ci_22401544/boulder-district-attorney-announce-decision-charges-mapleton-elk-shooting [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXySmIJJGVg&feature=youtu.be[/youtube] Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on March 19, 2013, 07:16:12 pm Tulsa police officer sues publication, ex-girlfriend, alleging libel, invasion of privacy
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=14&articleid=20130319_11_A12_ATulsa116733 Quote A Tulsa police officer has filed a lawsuit against a local publication claiming libel and invasion of privacy on allegations that it possessed a personal laptop computer containing compromising photographs of him and published a series of articles that alleged sexual misconduct by him. Officer Shawn King filed the lawsuit in Tulsa County District Court on Friday, about a year after his former girlfriend told police officials that King had compromising photographs of himself engaging in sexual activity while in uniform. The lawsuit was filed against Keena Roberts of Osage County, his former girlfriend; This Land Press LLC; Joshua Kline, the author of the series of articles, which were published online last year; Michael Mason, This Land's editor; Vince LoVoi, This Land's publisher; Eric Cullen, a private investigator; and Cullen and Associates LLC. In the petition filed Friday by King's attorney, Jean Coulter, King states that he became romantically involved with another officer, Christy Kellerhals. During their relationship, the two shared "private photographs of a sexual nature between themselves." The petition states that they intended these photos to "be viewed exclusively by them." That relationship ended in 2009, and King, a captain at the time, entered into a relationship with Roberts and moved into a residence with her, according to the petition. The petition claims that Roberts searched the residence in late 2011 for "evidence of an ongoing relationship" between Kellerhals and King. The petition alleges that Roberts found a password-protected personal laptop computer and cellphones that belonged to King in a locked closet. On the laptop, Roberts found the photos, the lawsuit claims. In February 2012, Roberts took the material to the Tulsa Police Department's Internal Affairs Division, which determined that the material could not be accessed because the ownership of the items was in dispute, according to the petition. Roberts then told Internal Affairs that she and King had engaged in sexual activity in King's patrol car while he was on duty. A subsequent investigation and admission by King resulted in his being suspended for 40 hours without pay in April. The petition alleges that Cullen, at the direction of Roberts, went through the neighborhood where King was staying, told residents that "a child molester and kidnapper" was in the area, and distributed a flier with photos from King's laptop. In April, the petition states, Roberts went to the FBI with the photos, alleging that they contained child pornography. An FBI analysis said "they found no material on the flash drive which was child pornography." Around that time, the petition alleges, Roberts took the material to This Land Press, which then published an article on April 26 that said King "is suspected of sexual-related crimes." The article also alleged that King had thousands of pornographic images, including some of young girls. An article the next day alleged that King had molested one of Roberts' children. This, along with the allegations made by Roberts in a protective order affidavit and complaint filed in Osage County resulted in King's being placed on restricted duty. In October, King was demoted to officer and transferred to the Police Department's Training Division after a pretermination hearing. Police Chief Chuck Jordan determined that King had violated the department's rule on conduct unbecoming an officer three times. The rule states that employees will not act in any way that would "bring reproach or discredit upon the department." The lawsuit states that in November, the Osage County District Attorney's Office closed its investigation of crimes that were alleged to have happened there and declined to file charges, which led to the filing of the lawsuit, said King's attorney, Coulter. Tulsa Police Officer Jillian Roberson said King is on paid administrative leave. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 20, 2013, 11:08:29 am Boulder officers arrested, accused of plotting 'trophy' kill of Mapleton elk http://www.dailycamera.com/news/ci_22401544/boulder-district-attorney-announce-decision-charges-mapleton-elk-shooting Disgusting two people, regardless of being police - that part is irrelevant beyond the fact they weren't fired immediately. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on September 28, 2013, 10:07:56 am Tulsa police officer sues publication, ex-girlfriend, alleging libel, invasion of privacy http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=14&articleid=20130319_11_A12_ATulsa116733 Im guessing the motion filed by TPD blocks any further independent investigation. From the Whirled: King's case is pending. A motion for stay of discovery was filed by the Tulsa Police Department on Sept. 18. Jean Walpole Coulter, King's attorney, said the stay means the parties will be unable to obtain any documents from the department while prosecutors investigate whether to file criminal charges against Roberts. http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Settlement_reached_between_Tulsa_police_officer_This/20130928_11_A12_Acivil33682?subj=11 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on December 02, 2013, 10:54:19 pm There are not enough words to sum up the disdain for what those officers did to that man. The POS Fat Mexican Cop needs to be sentenced to Prison and put in a general population yard and have six inmates beat his unarmed a$$ to death just as him and his boys did. He got exactly what he was working on. Trying to make the man do one thing wrong and then he could start beating him with his baton. Fifteen minutes of finding nothing in his backpack pi$$ed him off so he had to give him more stupid commands to make him say he was tired of playing games and stand up. The other officer was half way decent. Not so much on a power trip like his buddy. I like how their anger turns to concern after they put the flashlight on his face and realize how bad they had beaten him. If you havent seen the photos of him in the Hospital. You should look them up. It is absolutly horrible. The trial just started, and more than two years after the fact, the police attorney is now saying the multiple video and audio recordings omitted the dead man "attempting to reach for the officer's gun". As much as that card is played now, you would think people would be more skeptical of that ruse. http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-kelly-thomas-20131201,0,1008152.story Quote Officer Ramos' attorney: "The police officers were going to let him go, wanted to let him go, that night. All he had to do is identify himself and he wouldn't do that.... "It seems like every day, we have to talk to you about somethin' ... Do you enjoy it?" -- Officer Ramos surveillance camera audio. (http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/article/mx40gu-b781218380z.120131130195632000gdr1h8kur.2.jpg) (http://rt.com/files/news/21/5a/00/00/us.si.jpg) Quote A toxicology report found that no drugs or alcohol were in Thomas’ system the night he was beaten. A coroner’s report, meanwhile, found that chest compression and blunt force trauma to the head resulted in Thomas’ death. http://rt.com/usa/california-police-kelly-thomas-608/"They're trying to say their client was justified in beating Kelly," Ron Thomas said to the Times. "By beating him he died and that's OK because Kelly was such a bad person. A mentally deranged drug user trained to kill.” Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 02, 2013, 11:25:49 pm Makes one wonder how one could reasonably be expected to "relax" and lie still while being suffocated, electrocuted and beaten? Any rational response would be to fight against dying. I bet I would be kicking and screaming, too!
Wonder what the agenda of Russia TV is in this?? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on December 03, 2013, 01:21:36 pm Makes one wonder how one could reasonably be expected to "relax" and lie still while being suffocated, electrocuted and beaten? Any rational response would be to fight against dying. I bet I would be kicking and screaming, too! Wonder what the agenda of Russia TV is in this?? It's got to be great propaganda fodder for Putin. "Look! America is worse than us now!" Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 03, 2013, 07:58:51 pm It's got to be great propaganda fodder for Putin. "Look! America is worse than us now!" Yep. That's what I was getting at.... sometimes ya just gotta cringe at some of our "self-inflicted wounds".... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Rookie Okie on December 03, 2013, 09:19:10 pm No words can describe this atrocity. Well beyond what the most vicious animals could inflict. I'd hope that if the image is used for propaganda that it would backfire and the intended audience would be outraged by the purveyors of such tactics.
That trial must be difficult to follow if you have to be subjected to the Po-Po attorneys trying to justify the monstrous actions. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on December 14, 2013, 02:09:56 pm Makes one wonder how one could reasonably be expected to "relax" and lie still while being suffocated, electrocuted and beaten? Any rational response would be to fight against dying. I bet I would be kicking and screaming, too! Wonder what the agenda of Russia TV is in this?? The trending Russian propaganda now is more likely their rubbing our noses in the fact that they gave us repeated warnings about the Boston Bombing suspects, which the FBI ignored because they were too busy with scripted "plots" like this: A Kansas man who prosecutors say sympathized with violent terrorists was arrested Friday as part of an FBI sting after he drove a vehicle loaded with what he thought were explosives to a Wichita airport. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-arrested-car-bomb-plot-kan-airport-21210130 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on January 14, 2014, 02:52:07 pm No words can describe this atrocity. Well beyond what the most vicious animals could inflict. I'd hope that if the image is used for propaganda that it would backfire and the intended audience would be outraged by the purveyors of such tactics. That trial must be difficult to follow if you have to be subjected to the Po-Po attorneys trying to justify the monstrous actions. The defense argued that the two officers were acting in accordance with their training, and the jury bought it. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2014/0114/Kelly-Thomas-case-why-police-were-acquitted-in-killing-of-homeless-man http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/01/a-california-jurys-baffling-verdict/283053 This isnt just bad news for the homeless or the mentally ill, but Im guessing life just got a lot more complicated for the honest cops out there. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on January 14, 2014, 03:29:16 pm Absolutely Sickening! >:(
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 15, 2014, 09:58:33 pm Quote Guess whose' FOP got him ordered re-hired, with back pay.... (http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/images/18996114_BG3.jpg) http://www.newson6.com/story/25254593/appeals-court-orders-fired-owasso-cop-to-be-reinstated The Oklahoma Court of Civil Appeals reversed a lower court's ruling and ordered the city of Owasso to reinstate a police officer fired for striking a man during an arrest. On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, the court ruled in favor of Mike Denton, who was fired after an arrest on June 30, 2011. The arrest was videotaped by cameras on the officers' lapels and showed Denton step on Spradlin's head and then strike Spradlin in the face with his elbow three separate times. Denton told News On 6 that he was protecting himself when he struck Spradlin. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 16, 2014, 07:01:57 am I saw that last night and just could not believe it.
My first thought was. He will not take the job back or accept any compensation. And sue the City for wrongful termination. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 16, 2014, 10:31:11 am I saw that last night and just could not believe it. My first thought was. He will not take the job back or accept any compensation. And sue the City for wrongful termination. Seems like Owasso has no choice but to appeal to the Supremes, if they want to retain any shred of public trust. http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Officer-fired-for-hitting-man-could-get-job-back/HVwGHe41m0iTj4q7xFWhMw.cspx Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Townsend on April 16, 2014, 10:40:15 am Seems like Owasso has no choice but to appeal to the Supremes, if they want to retain any shred of public trust. http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Officer-fired-for-hitting-man-could-get-job-back/HVwGHe41m0iTj4q7xFWhMw.cspx Excellent lesson for the kids. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 16, 2014, 06:39:39 pm This isnt just bad news for the homeless or the mentally ill, but Im guessing life just got a lot more complicated for the honest cops out there. Which raises another set of questions.... Well, this was LA. And we have had decades of example of that police department. I don't go to LA, even though I am somewhat normal acting... it's just too risky. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 23, 2014, 10:19:47 am Talk about an epic fail. TPD should start a #yourTPD on Twitter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2610791/EpicFail-Friendly-NYPD-Twitter-outreach-backfires-spectacularly-users-spread-images-police-brutality.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on April 23, 2014, 10:26:54 am Of course not a single photo provides context of what was happening, whether or not the suspect had just bitten and officer or kicked an officer in the cods. “Brutality” is in the eyes of the beholder, I guess. Not saying it doesn’t happen but I believe some people don’t quite understand what’s required at times to bring a drunk or drugged up person under control.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Townsend on April 23, 2014, 10:29:00 am Of course not a single photo provides context of what was happening, whether or not the suspect had just bitten and officer or kicked an officer in the cods. “Brutality” is in the eyes of the beholder, I guess. Not saying it doesn’t happen but I believe some people don’t quite understand what’s required at times to bring a drunk or drugged up person under control. The point, I think, is that a police department should prob not ask people to post pictures of interaction between the force and individuals on social media. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 23, 2014, 10:28:30 pm Well, this was LA. And we have had decades of example of that police department. Federal oversight hasnt softened them much. LOS ANGELES, April 23 (Reuters) - Two ex-Los Angeles County Sheriff's deputies accused of planting guns at a marijuana dispensary to justify an arrest have been charged with conspiracy and perjury, prosecutors said on Wednesday. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/23/la-deputies-gun-pot-dispensary_n_5200838.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on May 07, 2014, 01:25:12 pm Well I guess this falls under Police misconduct. ::)
Again. Suspended with pay. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/tulsa-police-officer-arrested-on-domestic-assault-complaint/article_c2321986-d60f-11e3-98d0-0017a43b2370.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on May 07, 2014, 02:28:15 pm 26 years on the force? I bet he’s allowed to retire quietly.
As to the rest of it, crapped on his bed then pushed her into it, then sexually assaulted her? I’m thinking she didn’t exactly smell spring fresh at that point. Dude needs some serious help. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 10, 2014, 07:54:46 pm 26 years on the force? I bet he’s allowed to retire quietly. As to the rest of it, crapped on his bed then pushed her into it, then sexually assaulted her? I’m thinking she didn’t exactly smell spring fresh at that point. Dude needs some serious help. He will become an officer somewhere else. Vermont is nice. Speaking of.... What do you do when you cant justify shooting into a car and killing an unarmed passenger? Charge the driver with Felony Murder, of course. Quote Two people, including one who was shot by a law enforcement officer, were charged with first-degree felony murder Monday in connection with an officer-involved shooting that killed an 18-year-old woman. Karina Sandoval-Jimenez, who was sitting in a car's back seat, was fatally shot. Police have not said which officer fired the fatal bullet. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/teens-charged-with-murder-in-companion-s-robbery-tied-death/article_83e56c63-500d-5ff8-8cb2-26ce892ccc66.html The D.A. declined to file charges, but a civil court recently found otherwise in a similar instance: City councilors approved payment of a $110,000 judgment on Thursday to settle two lawsuits related to a 2009 fatal officer-involved shooting. The money will go to Brandi Cox on behalf of her son, a minor who was injured in the shooting. Her husband, Steven Paul Crowels, was killed. A review board found that officer Jay Chiarito-Mazzarella fired "into the vehicle despite the fact that he knew the vehicle contained at least two passengers and despite the fact that he did not have a clear view of, or shot at, the target," court records state. Chiarito-Mazzarella claimed he got out of his patrol car and was approaching the vehicle from behind when the driver put the car in reverse and attempted to hit the officer with the vehicle. "Out of fear for his life and safety, Chiarito-Mazzarella drew his weapon and fired at plaintiff through the rear window of the vehicle," according to court records. "When he continued to hear the engine rev, he fired again." In all, Chiarito-Mazzarella shot into the vehicle seven times. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/government/city-council-oks-settlement-in-officer-involved-shooting-death-lawsuits/article_785a8246-1616-5536-ae5b-d3d0b794ed76.html Chiarito-Mazzarella left Tulsa to become an officer with the Burlington VT police department. Shortly thereafter, a judge ordered him leave Vermont when he was found guilty of stalking a fellow officer there. http://www.wptz.com/Photos-Show-Man-Ready-For-Battle-Says-Prosecutor/5721488 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on May 11, 2014, 11:56:22 am He will become an officer somewhere else. Vermont is nice. Speaking of.... What do you do when you cant justify shooting into a car and killing an unarmed passenger? Charge the driver with Felony Murder, of course. Thats a lot of verbiage just to say that stepping in the path of a vehicle to justify shooting is OK with the District Atty but not a jury. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 12, 2014, 09:53:26 pm We could be on the path to something much, much worse.....
Police Shooting Frenzy Raises Concerns MIAMI (CBSMiami) – On December 10, more than two dozen police officers from across Miami Dade County converged on a blue Volvo that had crashed in the backyard of a townhouse on 65th Street just off 27th Avenue. As the car was wedged helplessly between a light pole and a tree, nearly a minute passed before officers opened up – firing approximately 50 bullets at the car and the two unarmed men inside the vehicle. The two men inside the car survived that initial volley of gunfire, according to witnesses, who said they could see the men moving inside the Volvo. Everything went quiet for nearly two minutes before the officers opened up a second time – unleashing an unrelenting torrent of bullets that lasted almost 25 seconds. By the time it was over, the two men inside the car were dead. CBS News has learned a total of 23 officers fired a total of at least 377 rounds. Bullets were sprayed everywhere. They hit the Volvo, other cars in the lot, fence posts and neighboring businesses. They blasted holes in a townhouse where a 12-year-old dove to the ground for cover and a four month old slept in his crib. “It was like the Wild Wild West, man, crazy,” said Anthony Vandiver, who barely made it through the back door of his home before the gunfire erupted. “Shooting just wild; shooting all over the place. Bullets could have come through the window. Anything could have happened man. They weren’t thinking, they weren’t thinking at all.” Earlier that night, the driver of the Volvo, Adrian Montesano, robbed a Walgreens at gunpoint, and then later shot at Miami Dade Police Officer Saul Rodriguez in a nearby trailer park. By 5 am every cop in South Florida was looking for that blue Volvo – intent on catching the man who had shot one of their own. But what police didn’t realize before they started shooting at the Volvo is there was a second man in the car – Corsini Valdes – who had committed no crime. And in fact, as CBS4 News was the first to report, both men inside the Volvo were unarmed at the time police caught up with them. All of the gunfire came from police. Montesano and Valdes were killed by the dozens of rounds that tore through their bodies. But Montesano and Valdes weren’t the only ones struck – two Miami Dade police officers were hit as well – caught in the crossfire. One officer was shot in the arm and the second was hit in the arm and grazed in the head. If the bullet had struck just a half an inch to the side the officer would have been killed. The sound of the gunfire was deafening – literally deafening. Two Miami police officers sustained ruptured ear drums from the cacophony of shots. CBS4 News has spent the last five months piecing together the events of that evening and the hunt for the blue Volvo. CBS4 News reviewed radio transmissions, analyzed video taken during the shooting, interviewed officials from the different agencies involved, and reviewed records related to the officers who fired their weapons. The nature of the shooting suggests the officers lost sight of their own training and that the officers, caught up in the heat of the moment, failed to listen to their radios or coordinate their actions endangering not only their own lives but the lives of the public. It is worth saying, none of this would have happened if Adrian Montesano had not made the decision to rob the Walgreens and shoot a police officer. None of those officers would have been in that backyard if it weren’t for the actions of Montesano. But that does not absolve the officers of responsibility for their own conduct, as well. Senior commanders admit they are very lucky more officers weren’t seriously hurt or killed. Even more haunting is the danger the residents in the area faced. At the time of the shooting, parents were getting their kids ready for school and across the street men and women stood exposed on a Metrorail platform. The shooting is being reviewed by both the State Attorney’s Office and the Miami Dade Police Department. While those reviews will likely take years to complete, what is clear is the Walgreens robbery and the shooting of Officer Rodriguez sent officers across the county into a state of frenzy. No call is more harrowing for a police officer than a report of an officer being shot. By the time police determined the shooter was Montesano and broadcast a description of the Volvo, officers from a half dozen different departments flooded into the north side of the county. Many of the officers just seemed to be racing through the streets, according to one supervisor on the scene. “I don’t know what’s going on here,” the supervisor declared over the radio. “There are units running threes everywhere.” A Code 3 is when police cars are travelling with lights and sirens blaring. The supervisor finally ordered the patrol units to slow down unless they were actually chasing the car. Dispatchers and supervisors repeatedly told officers Montesano was to be considered armed and dangerous. At 6:23 am police spotted the Volvo. “I got the Volvo, he’s going southbound on two seven avenue from 79 street,” the officer said. “It’s going to be occupied by a white male, 5-11, 225 pounds, Adrian Montesano,” the dispatcher affirmed. “Use caution. Subject is armed.” Unknown to the officers is that there was a second man in the car. It is still not known when Montesano picked up 50-year-old Corsini Valdes. Montesano led police on a brief chase before busting through a fence and crashing into a tree and light pole. As officers raced in from different directions, there was a pause before that first burst of gunfire. When the shooting stops after several seconds, one of the supervisors on the scene tries to take control. He notes the car is stuck and isn’t going anywhere. “We need to establish that perimeter, I have not verified if the subject is down or not,” he said. Another supervisor tells officers to stay back. There is no need for any of them to get into harm’s way at this point. “We have the vehicle confined,” he said. “The officers need to pay attention to the radios, they are not listening, okay, that’s the inner perimeter – we’re good.” A dispatcher replies: “Units pay attention. Please listen to your radios.” Now that the car is surrounded, the plan now is to bring in SRT – the special response team – and have them take over. But so many units have flooded the area, SRT commanders are complaining they can’t reach the scene because the streets are blocked. “Make sure the units are not in our way so we can pull in, and they’re not blocking the whole road,” the SRT commander said. “Any units do not block SRT,” a dispatcher Inside his house, Anthony Vandiver, used the temporary quiet to race upstairs and check on his family. He said he looked out his bedroom window, which looked directly down onto the blue Volvo below. He said he could hear the police yelling at the men in the car. “They were saying put your hands up, and the guys were still moving after they shot maybe 50, 60 times,” Vandiver recalled. “And the guy tried to put his hands up. And as soon as he put his hands up, it erupted again. And that was it for them. That guy tried his best to give up.” Asked if he was certain the men in the car were trying to put their hands up, Vandiver replied: “I swear to God on everything I love, my kids my momma, everything, I seen it all.” We may never know which officer fired the first shot or why. Did he mistakenly think he saw a gun even though neither Montesano nor Valdes had a weapon? But what is clear – once one officer fired the others joined in. But Montesano and Valdes weren’t the only ones struck. Two Miami Dade police officers were hit as well, caught in the crossfire created when officers on three different sides of the Volvo began firing. “Get all of the officers off to the side,” shouted one supervisor, “we’ve got to get rescue in here. There are too many officers in here, back them up.” To avoid any more officers shot, dispatchers pass the order there is to be no more shooting “Have all units stand down in that inner perimeter, hold it for SRT, let’s give service to that officer that’s injured right now,” an officer declared. “Get out of the way, let fire rescue get in there and let SRT take that inner perimeter.” As the smoke cleared and the sun begins to rise officers dragged Montesano and Valdes’s bodies from the car. Although he appears dead, they decide to transport Valdes to Jackson. Slowly neighbors came out of their homes. “The policemen that had on the black and white vests were out there laughing like it was so funny,” said one of the neighbors, “because they got a free shot off them people. Shooting all them bullets like that, that don’t make no sense.” http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/05/06/police-shooting-frenzy-raises-concerns 23 Police Officers Fire 377 Bullets at Two Men With Zero Guns http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/05/23-police-officers-fire-377-bullets-at-2-men-with-0-guns/361904 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 13, 2014, 08:44:29 am We could be on the path to something much, much worse..... Police Shooting Frenzy Raises Concerns MIAMI (CBSMiami) – On December 10, more than two dozen police officers from across Miami Dade County converged on a blue Volvo that had crashed in the backyard of a townhouse on 65th Street just off 27th Avenue. As the car was wedged helplessly between a light pole and a tree, nearly a minute passed before officers opened up – firing approximately 50 bullets at the car and the two unarmed men inside the vehicle. The two men inside the car survived that initial volley of gunfire, according to witnesses, who said they could see the men moving inside the Volvo. Everything went quiet for nearly two minutes before the officers opened up a second time – unleashing an unrelenting torrent of bullets that lasted almost 25 seconds. By the time it was over, the two men inside the car were dead. ..................... Shows ya gotta be careful who your friends are..... Too much is never enough.... Anything worth doing is worth overdoing.... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on May 13, 2014, 12:30:24 pm We could be on the path to something much, much worse..... Nah, we have those here from time-to-time, our media just isnt as thorough as in Miami. I think the 2011 shootout across from Big Splash involved 200+ shots, and then there was the Christmas chase and shootout at the Promenade Mall. http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=20322.0 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on May 14, 2014, 07:27:38 am This should lead to some heated conversation.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/apple-helps-cops-hide-police-brutality/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Hoss on May 14, 2014, 08:22:03 am This should lead to some heated conversation. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/apple-helps-cops-hide-police-brutality/ Only if you're an Apple fanboi. I'm not. ;D Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on May 14, 2014, 09:38:30 am Only if you're an Apple fanboi. I'm not. ;D After July I won't be either. ;D Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on May 20, 2014, 07:35:08 am They people in this video claim excessive force was used.
http://www.policeone.com/arrests/articles/7204717-Video-Va-deputy-deploys-TASER-on-combative-suspect/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on June 07, 2014, 09:58:36 pm It's now official: "armed and dangerous" is a completely meaningless, overused term.
Quote Despite the secret nature of the search, the FBI found no explosive device while ransacking Chaimberlan's home, nor did they expect to, according to a source not authorized to speak. No bomb, no bomb threat, no weapons of any kind, nor any expectation of any, so what is this really about? http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/06/03/san-francisco-police-nab-ryan-kelly-chamberlain-after-three-day-manhunt/ SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF) – Just hours after a “Goodby” letter surfaced from the man at the center of an FBI manhunt and explosives investigation, Ryan Chamberlain apparently returned to social media to deny federal claims that he is armed and dangerous. “Nothing they’re reporting is true. No “Stashes.” Not “armed and dangerous.” No Car “Rigged to explode.” I explored some ugly websites, a year-ish ago. I was depressed,” Chamberlain told friends on Facebook. http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/06/02/fbi-fugitive-hunted-after-sf-raid-makes-return-to-social-media-denies-explosives-claims-ryan-chamberlain-fbi-missing-facebook-twitter-armed-and-dangerous-note-manifesto-tweeting/ "Anyone who has the means, methods and access to make a bomb should be considered armed and dangerous," police said. "He has not made any threats that I know of... there is no threat to public safety at this time that we know of." The two most amazing things about this story are that 1) it happens in America, and 2) nobody cares Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: guido911 on June 09, 2014, 01:42:20 am It's now official: "armed and dangerous" is a completely meaningless, overused term. The two most amazing things about this story are that 1) it happens in America, and 2) nobody cares Here is something more recent. Quote A San Francisco man accused of possessing bomb-making materials in his apartment also bought lethal toxins online, the FBI said in documents unsealed Friday. Ryan Kelly Chamberlain II was charged this week with possession of an illegal destructive device. Bomb technicians found a series of items in his house, leading to a manhunt that ended with his arrest Monday. Items included a powdery, green explosive substance, a model rocket motor, ball bearings and an igniter for home-made bombs, according to a different affidavit unsealed earlier this week. It did not list deadly toxins at the time. http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/ryan-chamberlain-toxins/index.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on June 17, 2014, 08:37:34 am I want to know if anything will happen to this Officer in Sperry after he injured a elderly man right in front of his Wife. Just because he was going to raz him about driving the wrong way on a street. This guy needs to be fired. A hot head with a gun is just dangerous.
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Sperry-couple-says-they-were-abused-by-police/4bcPMa-JSUiWCxHJygvPQQ.cspx?rss=77 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on June 17, 2014, 08:57:01 am A hot head with a gun is just dangerous. Or a pizza oven ;D Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on June 17, 2014, 10:41:09 am It's like a everyday thing. A couple of shots to a Females body should help to get her handcuffed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2659839/Police-officer-investigated-grabbed-woman-head-punched-gay-pride-parade-woman-attacked-man-protesting-against-LGBT.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on June 19, 2014, 09:25:46 am Stop Resisting! Stop Resisting! "BANG!"................There that's better!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2662107/The-shocking-moment-police-officer-shot-dead-unarmed-handcuffed-bodybuilder-outside-jail-tried-hospital.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on June 19, 2014, 11:06:07 am I actually like this guy and what he is doing.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2661752/Man-cited-warning-drivers-police-checkpoint.html http://www.copblock.org/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 19, 2014, 11:06:56 am Stop Resisting! Stop Resisting! "BANG!"................There that's better! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2662107/The-shocking-moment-police-officer-shot-dead-unarmed-handcuffed-bodybuilder-outside-jail-tried-hospital.html More accidental shooting than not. Are sedatives allowed when multiple tasing (5 in this case) have no noticeable effect? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 19, 2014, 11:08:13 am I actually like this guy and what he is doing. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2661752/Man-cited-warning-drivers-police-checkpoint.html Would that be considered obstruction of justice, I wonder.... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DTowner on June 19, 2014, 12:29:53 pm Would that be considered obstruction of justice, I wonder.... In Missouri, a federaL judge recently held warning others of a police speed check point was protected speech. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/05/federal-judge-rules-drivers-allowed-to-warn-other-motorists-speed-traps/ Kind of goes along wtih photographing the police operating in public - there is not genearlly any privacy right or protection for the police. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on June 19, 2014, 02:16:32 pm Kind of goes along wtih photographing the police operating in public - there is not genearlly any privacy right or protection for the police. Like you or I, they have expectations of privacy... they just think that extends to being in a public place acting in a public capacity. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on June 22, 2014, 09:22:57 pm The medical examiner's report confirmed what the video showed: That Luis Rodriguez died from a combination of suffocating tear gas and the crushing weight of five officers on top of him. It was a cut-and-dry Felony Murder... except the prosecutor lost his nerve when faced with the possibility of butting heads with the police union. MOORE — A moviegoer died in February because physical restraint by police brought on a heart attack, the state medical examiner reported Wednesday. The Feb. 15 death of Luis Rodriguez, 44, was ruled a homicide due to the physical struggle and police restraint associated. The medical examiner cautioned that the ruling of homicide doesn’t imply wrongdoing or criminal intent. Rodriguez died following a scuffle with five officers in the parking lot at the Warren Theatre. The officers used pepper spray and handcuffs to subdue him. The report by the medical examiner determined his death was caused by “cardiac arrhythmia due to physical restraint.” An arrhythmia is an irregular heart beat. No drugs or alcohol were found in Rodriguez’s blood, the report states. Bruises and minor injuries were found — evidence of the struggle — but those injuries were not sufficient to cause Rodriguez’s death, the examiner found. Cellphone video taken by Rodriguez’s wife documented some of the incident. The six-minute video, which was made public, starts with Luis Rodriguez seen face-down in the parking lot crying out “I can’t breathe!” He had an officer’s knee on his back and other officers holding his arms and legs. Three Moore Police Department officers and two off-duty game wardens were involved. The game wardens and one of the officers were working security for the theater. Surveillance video from the theater’s parking lot has not been released. Moore Police Chief Jerry Stillings has said he believes the officers acted appropriately. An agency spokesman Wednesday released a statement saying the department has reviewed the autopsy report. “From our understanding, prior health conditions coupled with the struggle with officers led to the death of Mr. Rodriguez,” the statement reads. “The medical examiner’s report indicates minimal physical trauma to Mr. Rodriguez, which commonly occurs when an individual physically resists.” An attorney representing the Rodriguez family championed the medical examiner’s ruling. “We were confident all along that this was a homicide. Today, the Oklahoma medical examiner’s office has confirmed this. We are in the process of reviewing the report. We ask that you please respect the family and allow them the opportunity to accept this news in peace,” Michael Brooks-Jimenez said in a written statement. Police approached Rodriguez and his family outside the theater after a patron reported that Nair Rodriguez, his wife, slapped her 19-year-old daughter during an argument. When security guards asked Luis Rodriguez for identification, he refused and took “an aggressive stance,” police said. That’s when game wardens attempted to handcuff and detain him. He was taken by ambulance to Moore Medical Center, where he died. Medical records show he suffered a heart attack and evidence of medical treatment, such as needle punctures and catheters, were detailed in the medical examiner’s report. MOORE — The officers who attempted to detain Luis Rodriguez outside the Warren Theatre earlier this year won’t face criminal charges, Cleveland County District Attorney Greg Mashburn notified the Moore Police Department on Friday. Rodriguez died shortly after the incident, in which three Moore police officers and two game wardens struggled to handcuff the man in the parking lot February 15. The state medical examiner determined Rodriguez died of a heart condition known as cardiac arrhythmia, brought on by physical restraint. In his findings, Mashburn said the use of force by the officers was “justified and appropriate under the law.” The officers — Sgt. Brian Clarkston, officer Ryan Minard and officer Joseph Bradley, who are employed by the Moore Police Department, and game wardens Tyler Howser and Chad Strang — are expected to return to work. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 22, 2014, 09:26:52 pm The medical examiner's report confirmed what the video showed: That Luis Rodriguez died from a combination of suffocating tear gas and the crushing weight of five officers on top of him. It was a cut-and-dry Felony Murder... except the prosecutor lost his nerve when faced with the possibility of butting heads with the police union. MOORE — A moviegoer died in February because physical restraint by police brought on a heart attack, the state medical examiner reported Wednesday. The Feb. 15 death of Luis Rodriguez, 44, was ruled a homicide due to the physical struggle and police restraint associated. The medical examiner cautioned that the ruling of homicide doesn’t imply wrongdoing or criminal intent. Rodriguez died following a scuffle with five officers in the parking lot at the Warren Theatre. The officers used pepper spray and handcuffs to subdue him. The report by the medical examiner determined his death was caused by “cardiac arrhythmia due to physical restraint.” An arrhythmia is an irregular heart beat. No drugs or alcohol were found in Rodriguez’s blood, the report states. Bruises and minor injuries were found — evidence of the struggle — but those injuries were not sufficient to cause Rodriguez’s death, the examiner found. Cellphone video taken by Rodriguez’s wife documented some of the incident. The six-minute video, which was made public, starts with Luis Rodriguez seen face-down in the parking lot crying out “I can’t breathe!” He had an officer’s knee on his back and other officers holding his arms and legs. Three Moore Police Department officers and two off-duty game wardens were involved. The game wardens and one of the officers were working security for the theater. Surveillance video from the theater’s parking lot has not been released. Moore Police Chief Jerry Stillings has said he believes the officers acted appropriately. An agency spokesman Wednesday released a statement saying the department has reviewed the autopsy report. “From our understanding, prior health conditions coupled with the struggle with officers led to the death of Mr. Rodriguez,” the statement reads. “The medical examiner’s report indicates minimal physical trauma to Mr. Rodriguez, which commonly occurs when an individual physically resists.” An attorney representing the Rodriguez family championed the medical examiner’s ruling. “We were confident all along that this was a homicide. Today, the Oklahoma medical examiner’s office has confirmed this. We are in the process of reviewing the report. We ask that you please respect the family and allow them the opportunity to accept this news in peace,” Michael Brooks-Jimenez said in a written statement. Police approached Rodriguez and his family outside the theater after a patron reported that Nair Rodriguez, his wife, slapped her 19-year-old daughter during an argument. When security guards asked Luis Rodriguez for identification, he refused and took “an aggressive stance,” police said. That’s when game wardens attempted to handcuff and detain him. He was taken by ambulance to Moore Medical Center, where he died. Medical records show he suffered a heart attack and evidence of medical treatment, such as needle punctures and catheters, were detailed in the medical examiner’s report. MOORE — The officers who attempted to detain Luis Rodriguez outside the Warren Theatre earlier this year won’t face criminal charges, Cleveland County District Attorney Greg Mashburn notified the Moore Police Department on Friday. Rodriguez died shortly after the incident, in which three Moore police officers and two game wardens struggled to handcuff the man in the parking lot February 15. The state medical examiner determined Rodriguez died of a heart condition known as cardiac arrhythmia, brought on by physical restraint. In his findings, Mashburn said the use of force by the officers was “justified and appropriate under the law.” The officers — Sgt. Brian Clarkston, officer Ryan Minard and officer Joseph Bradley, who are employed by the Moore Police Department, and game wardens Tyler Howser and Chad Strang — are expected to return to work. With this event, Moore police have been granted "00-" status.... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on June 24, 2014, 09:52:26 pm The video of the arrest following this slow-speed chase doesn't explain the fist-sized bruises he got before his mugshot.
20-30mph chase, and they still beat this minister up? http://www.newson6.com/story/25843336/wrong-way-tulsa-driver-arrested-after-25-minute-chase-on-i-44?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=10293681 http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/tulsa-police-wrong-way-driver-refuses-to-stop Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on June 27, 2014, 11:22:39 am Video of Cop slapping a mans Mother. In the doorway of her home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-msAtunFD0A Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on July 07, 2014, 01:41:17 pm OHP Trooper gets a DUI and arrested. He's on leave of absence. I'm sure that it's probably paid. He totaled out a 65 thousand dollar boat that had been confiscated. 8 years on the force. Can anyone say hand slap?
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/trooper-arrested-after-collision-involving-ohp-vehicle-towing-boat/article_67297149-6b6a-5992-a63e-b678f904df48.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 07, 2014, 09:05:36 pm In a rational world, he would be unemployed as well as facing criminal charges. But this is Oklahoma....
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 07, 2014, 09:09:20 pm News just said he is on paid leave.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on July 08, 2014, 11:02:25 pm In a rational world, he would be unemployed as well as facing criminal charges. But this is Oklahoma.... The Oklahoma Highway Patrol said Tuesday evening that a request for a report on the Thursday arrest of Trooper Joshua Davies could not be fulfilled because the arrest report does not yet exist. http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/report-of-trooper-s-arrest-doesn-t-yet-exist-officials/article_035e2743-1ff4-5e0d-af7c-57882277b674.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 09, 2014, 07:53:50 am The Oklahoma Highway Patrol said Tuesday evening that a request for a report on the Thursday arrest of Trooper Joshua Davies could not be fulfilled because the arrest report does not yet exist. http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/report-of-trooper-s-arrest-doesn-t-yet-exist-officials/article_035e2743-1ff4-5e0d-af7c-57882277b674.html Takes some time. Had a friend killed in a wreck and it was about a week before the report was available to family. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on July 09, 2014, 10:20:51 am Takes some time. Had a friend killed in a wreck and it was about a week before the report was available to family. The reporter on KRMG made it sound as if it was taking an unusually long time to produce the report. The arrest itself was hushed up for four days until someone in the media was contacted. OHP is almost as secretive in it’s inner workings as the OTC. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on July 09, 2014, 10:34:12 am I would have loved to seen the rock kicking at the accident scene by his OHP buddies trying to figure out how to spin this. Must have been a witness or another story would have been told about that boat slipping off the trailer on it's own.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 09, 2014, 03:39:57 pm The reporter on KRMG made it sound as if it was taking an unusually long time to produce the report. The arrest itself was hushed up for four days until someone in the media was contacted. OHP is almost as secretive in it’s inner workings as the OTC. That's KRMG. That bastion of RWRE mis- and dis- information in Tulsa! Tomorrow is a week. I wouldn't expect it before next Monday. But I am not a Murdochian trying to make a name for myself in local lack-of-news channel... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on July 10, 2014, 08:02:23 am Now this report is more like it. 0.27 Blood Alcohol level. I did not know that it was a OHP boat. No wonder they valued it so high. The picture I saw looks nothing like a 65 Thousand dollar boat. But if taxes are going to pay for it. What the heck. 65 Thousand it is.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/trooper-threatened-suicide-ran-from-authorities-before-being-arrested-records/article_051d8277-1b02-5cf8-9dfe-7b84865fc5ee.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on July 10, 2014, 08:37:29 am Now this report is more like it. 0.27 Blood Alcohol level. I did not know that it was a OHP boat. No wonder they valued it so high. The picture I saw looks nothing like a 65 Thousand dollar boat. But if taxes are going to pay for it. What the heck. 65 Thousand it is. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/trooper-threatened-suicide-ran-from-authorities-before-being-arrested-records/article_051d8277-1b02-5cf8-9dfe-7b84865fc5ee.html It was actually a seized boat is what I’ve read, so the department likely had no more money in it than what it cost to outfit it for lake patrol duty and I suspect much of that equipment would be salvageable. H- KRMG does a great job at reporting local news. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: AquaMan on July 10, 2014, 08:47:09 am It looked like a 65k boat to me. Especially after having aftermarket stuff added to OHP specs. Boats like that are expensive.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 10, 2014, 12:35:49 pm H- KRMG does a great job at reporting local news. Yeah, I gotta agree with you for the most part. And they are the ONLY weather station (radio) in northeast OK. They could be a good station again if they got rid of all their RWRE debris.... They need John Ehrling back. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on July 10, 2014, 01:59:18 pm Now this report is more like it. 0.27 Blood Alcohol level. I did not know that it was a OHP boat. No wonder they valued it so high. The picture I saw looks nothing like a 65 Thousand dollar boat. But if taxes are going to pay for it. What the heck. 65 Thousand it is. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/trooper-threatened-suicide-ran-from-authorities-before-being-arrested-records/article_051d8277-1b02-5cf8-9dfe-7b84865fc5ee.html "Our troopers will be highly visible this fourth of July weekend in an attempt to reduce collisions and dangerous behaviors both on our roads and waterways throughout the state," said Colonel Ricky Adams, Chief of Patrol. "Troopers will conduct DUI special emphasis and saturation patrols while looking for violations of law that contribute to collisions every day." Thats "sat·u·ra·tion" not "sat·u·ra·ted" Hmmm, going undercover as actual drunk boaters. Insidiously clever. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on July 10, 2014, 02:18:14 pm Hmmm, going undercover as actual drunk boaters. Insidiously clever. I could just hear Hedley Lamarr saying that. (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qR-FxPpggg8/TtZCfMcrESI/AAAAAAAAGPc/uayf4RO_Soc/s1600/hedleylamarr.jpg) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on July 16, 2014, 08:17:34 am I love it. How do you like being treated like a common citizen Lieutenant? Thrown to the ground and knee on the neck. And that was just for speeding.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2693888/Cop-suspended-brawl-combative-speeder-turned-superior-officer-trying-pull-rank.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: AquaMan on July 16, 2014, 10:01:38 am Reminds me of 'roid rage. No fun for others when it kicks in. Or are police departments just recruiting linebacker mentalities?
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on July 16, 2014, 10:12:32 am When could he have possibly had time to call the three backup units that quick?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_2YRCVRWR0[/youtube] "It is a bit ironic that in January we asked officers to wear a body camera as a study for the possible purchase of some for the entire department, and Jackson was one of the officers who refused," said Orosa. The police chief said the department has learned that Jackson has been recording many of his traffic stops with citizens that the police department had no knowledge of. "A citizen has the right to request those recordings to prove their innocence," said Orosa. "The department could be found in violation of the State Public Records Retention laws because of Jackson’s actions." http://www.local10.com/news/miami-police-chief-speaks-about-fight-between-officer-lieutenant/26978448 According to Jackson in an account of what happened as told to a telephone party called "Rick," Ramras never properly identified himself and was uncooperative: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q96JimWmZi4[/youtube] "He's running around trying to pull muscle and rank, but I'm telling him, sir, you can't do that. He's telling me, get the fu*k in your car. I was like, what, who are you talking to?" said Jackson. "You see God work man. God work and get back at nasty people … who explained that certain people in his department "don't care too much for me; they've all been after my throat since I've been working here." "I thought I was gonna get into a shooting, I swear to God … because I didn't know if he was armed, whether he is a police or not dog. I told the man not to go for no weapons. I said 'don't go for no weapons. Don't you do nothin,' I will shoot you. I told him straight up," Jackson confessed. Shortly after the 29 minute mark on the extended video, Jackson attempted to take pictures of the scene of the incident but an unseen cop instructed him not to do so, but Jackson protested. "It's on public display. I can take pictures of whatever is in public," Jackson said in the video. "We're not going to allow that sh*t to happen here," the unidentified cop warned him. "Put your phone away." According to a Local 10 report, president of Miami's Fraternal Order of Police, Javier Ortiz, was called to the scene and could be heard in an extended recording saying: "I don't know what the fu*k is going on. I understand what he [Ramras] did, but right now as you can see, it's you against the fu*king world because of who it is, so we're going to get the attorney here and we're going to figure out how we're going to handle this. I don't think we're just going to let this go or anything, you know." "A complete failure of leadership and command presence. The fact one is a sergeant, lieutenant, captain or an exempt rank, does not invest you with an untouchable aura. In fact, the ranking officer must lead by example and be as courteous as possible. No, it is not weakness, it is strength and the ability to control the situation with aplomb. Orosa, you are a sorry excuse for a police chief!" noted one officer on the website. http://www.christianpost.com/news/god-work-and-get-back-at-nasty-people-says-miami-cop-suspended-after-unknowingly-stopping-lieutenant-for-speeding-in-video-123294/ And more: http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/07/14/miami-cop-fearing-termination-altercation-speeding-internal-affairs-lieutenant Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on July 18, 2014, 09:44:11 pm Reminds me of 'roid rage. No fun for others when it kicks in. Or are police departments just recruiting linebacker mentalities? "The department will spare no effort to make sure nothing like this The candid video offers a unique glimpse into a very secretive and kkklanish subculture. With apologies to those that had friends and family in the profession; you have to have a serious pre-existing condition to be a cop today. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 20, 2014, 09:11:45 pm The candid video offers a unique glimpse into a very secretive and kkklanish subculture. With apologies to those that had friends and family in the profession; you have to have a serious pre-existing condition to be a cop today. It goes to the serious pre-existing condition that IS human society today - worldwide, not just this country.... cops are arguably the biggest, most obvious single symptom of our failure as human beings to act in a civilized and social way. Armies are probably a close second, but not as endemic as law enforcement. Whew!! Idealistic thoughts always give me a headache! I need some tylenol and a shot of whisky!! Maybe two.... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on July 21, 2014, 12:30:41 pm OK. This was posted on Facebook. It's kind of disturbing. Wow!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivgx5x1dob8&feature=youtu.be Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 21, 2014, 01:23:01 pm OK. This was posted on Facebook. It's kind of disturbing. Wow! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivgx5x1dob8&feature=youtu.be One disturbing part is that it is so common as to have made it into mainstream humor....it's accepted by society. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on July 22, 2014, 12:35:26 pm One disturbing part is that it is so common as to have made it into mainstream humor....it's accepted by society. More disturbing are the new tactics some are using to sidestep court rulings: http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/06/03/florida-cop-accuses-cop-watcher-masturbating-car-order-stop-recording/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 22, 2014, 03:08:44 pm More disturbing are the new tactics some are using to sidestep court rulings: http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/06/03/florida-cop-accuses-cop-watcher-masturbating-car-order-stop-recording/ And this can't possibly surprise.... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on July 25, 2014, 09:18:58 am You can't even attend a ball game without Police action ruining it. They really don't like you to recite your rights. Even if you are a little lit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY0_ysHCr5I Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 25, 2014, 10:46:31 am Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you....
Never relax!! Always look behind you!! They ARE gonna get ya!! Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on July 25, 2014, 07:25:30 pm You can't even attend a ball game without Police action ruining it. They really don't like you to recite your rights. Even if you are a little lit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY0_ysHCr5I The cop's "lawful orders" ceased being lawful the second he injected violence into a non-violent situation. These days, the only way a cop can win a verbal argument is with a physical assault. Violence is the answer, if you have the right union. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on August 01, 2014, 03:08:00 pm Medical Examiner say's the Cops chokehold killed him. This could get very interesting.
Oh and Al Sharpton is getting everybody riled up. ::) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2713576/Official-Police-chokehold-caused-NYC-mans-death.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on August 02, 2014, 06:54:15 pm Medical Examiner say's the Cops chokehold killed him. This could get very interesting. Oh and Al Sharpton is getting everybody riled up. ::) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2713576/Official-Police-chokehold-caused-NYC-mans-death.html Same thing happens here http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/26/justice/oklahoma-arrest-death-video/ there's video of police asphyxiating a man to death, and the Medical Examiner concurs. What's the difference here? The Okie D.A. decides he wont infuriate the police union by filing charges. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on August 03, 2014, 05:43:20 pm Medical Examiner say's the Cops chokehold killed him. This could get very interesting. Quote The head of the police union went before the media to complain that the officer that killed Garner was "distraught" at the thought of being held accountable for the death. "No one wants to have to deal with the fact that someone died because of something they had to do" said union boss Pat Lynch. On Friday, the Medical Examiner ruled Garner died as a result of a choke hold, but Lynch said Garner might still be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest. NYPD Officer Daniel Pantaleo is the one seen on video placing Eric Garner in an illegal choke hold. Meanwhile, the man who shot the video of the death was himself arrested last Sunday. "Police say 22-year-old Ramsey Orta was taken into custody not far from where the Garner incident occurred. Officers say they saw Orta tuck an unloaded handgun into the waistband of a female. He was later taken to Staten Island University Hospital for an undisclosed reason." If that isnt enough, another video emerged of NYPD forcing their way into an old lady's apartment and dragging her out naked. They claimed they were concerned for the welfare of children they saw inside, which they eventually pepper-sprayed. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/nypd-officers-drag-naked-brooklyn-woman-apartment-video-article-1.1889292 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on August 05, 2014, 09:42:21 pm Quote NEW YORK (AP) — Mayor Bill de Blasio on Tuesday defended a medical examiner's ruling that a man was killed by neck compressions caused by a police officer's chokehold, while the powerful police union representing rank-and-file officers called the death report "political." Speaking at a news conference just minutes after Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch denied that Officer Daniel Pantaleo used a chokehold while attempting to arrest Eric Garner on July 17, de Blasio told reporters that the city's medical examiner's office was "the gold standard in this country" for medical science. Last week, the medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide, saying it was caused by neck compressions from the chokehold and "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police" the medical examiner said. Video of the arrest shows that Garner, 43, who officers claimed was selling loose cigarettes, told the officers taking him into custody that he was being harassed. He shook his arm free from an officer's grasp before he was placed into the chokehold and brought to the ground. In the video, he can be heard complaining that he can't breathe. Both the police commissioner and the mayor have said it appears a chokehold was used. Chokeholds are banned under New York Police Department policy. On Tuesday, Lynch disputed the findings, telling reporters that Garner had been warned by officers the week before his death to stop selling the cigarettes and denying that race played any role in the confrontation, as the Rev. Al Sharpton and others have said. Sharpton on Tuesday reiterated his call for a federal investigation into Garner's death. De Blasio, who stressed that he had "immense respect" for the NYPD, also addressed comments made by the head of the union representing sergeants, who sarcastically suggested a supervising officer should oversee every arrest made. "Union leader say what union leaders say," de Blasio said when asked about Sergeant's Benevolent Association President Ed Mullins' comments. "I don't let the rhetoric of union leaders get in the way of getting job done." http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Mayor-rebuts-NYPD-unions-after-custody-death-5669607.php? Quote On the day of his death, bystanders say Garner was breaking up a fight when he caught the eye of the police. The NYPD claims officers had previously targeted Garner for selling untaxed, individual cigarettes. Garner wanted to know why he was being harassed, and he paid for that query with his life. In America, we’re not supposed kill people for questioning an officer, or for speaking up for themselves – except, of course, when we do. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/what-killed-eric-garnerTitle: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on August 06, 2014, 12:52:27 pm Can’t believe Patric or Vashta had not already posted. Sounds like said boyfriend’s right to due process may have been violated:
Quote Police report: Tulsa officer fatally shoots daughter's boyfriend A Tulsa police husband and wife were arrested in connection with the fatal shooting of a 19-year-old man on a street near downtown, and the couple's daughter said her father shot at her, too. Shannon Kepler, 54, a 24-year veteran of the Tulsa Police Department, was booked into the Tulsa Jail on first-degree murder and shooting with intent to kill complaints. His wife, Gina, 48, also a Tulsa police officer, was jailed on an accessory to murder complaint. The two weren't on duty at the time the shooting of 19-year-old Jeremy Lake occurred in the 200 block of North Maybelle Avenue about 9:15 p.m. Tuesday, police said. Police said an argument occurred between Lake and Shannon Kepler, who was in a black Chevrolet Suburban. Lake, who reportedly was with Kepler's daughter, was shot "two or three times" after he told Kepler that he was her boyfriend, according to an arrest report. Lisa Kepler, the 18-year-old daughter of Shannon and Gina Kepler, spoke with the Tulsa World on Wednesday morning from the front porch of the home she shared with the homicide victim, who also was her boyfriend. Lisa Kepler and Lake were walking back from Guthrie Green and were in the street in front of their home when a black SUV pulled up, and Shannon Kepler stepped out. Lisa Kepler said her father shouted at her and that as Lake attempted to introduce himself, Shannon Kepler shot Lake. Lisa Kepler said she had attempted to stop the shooting but then ran and hid behind a large rose bush in the front yard as her father fired a shot at her that missed. Lisa Kepler said she told authorities it was her dad who was the triggerman. "I'm not scared of my dad," she said, in tears and openly wondering why he would shoot someone he didn't know. Josh Mills, 23, a friend of Lake's, said he was also at the scene during the shooting. He said Shannon Kepler also fired a shot at Lake's 13-year-old brother, who was sitting on the front porch. The bullet ricocheted and grazed the boy in the upper arm, Mills said. Mills said he had paramedic training and tried to stem Lake's bleeding and locate the bullet wounds. Mills said it appeared Lake had been shot in the chest and neck from about 3-feet away. Mills and Lake hadn't known each other long but had become close. "He was like a brother to me for two weeks," Mills said, tearing up as he described how Lake died in his arms. Lisa Kepler said her parents had kicked her out of their home recently because of poor "life decisions" she had made and dropped her off at the Tulsa Day Center for the Homeless. Lisa Kepler declined to say what those life decisions were. "I really hope they rot in prison for a very long time," Lisa Kepler said of her parents. Lisa Kepler said the Day Center is where she met Lake, who offered to let her live with himself and his aunt, Pam Wilkins, within the past week. She said Lake was a sweet man and had been nothing but good to her since they had met. Wilkins, 50, said Lake had "a lot of love" for people, including those in the homeless community. She said her nephew was "the life of the party." "No matter if we argued, he never let a day go by without saying, 'I love you,'" Wilkins said. Police said Shannon Kepler turned himself in after investigators contacted his wife, Gina Kepler. The couple are expected to be placed on paid administrative leave until they are charged, TPD spokeswoman Jill Roberson said. Both Shannon and Gina Kepler were hired Aug. 13, 1990, police said. Police Chief Chuck Jordan issued a brief statement regarding the shooting Wednesday afternoon, saying there was little information that could be released due to the ongoing nature of the investigation. "I as well as the whole Department am saddened for both families involved in this tragic event," Jordan said in the statement. "The circumstances around this incident drives home the fact that domestic violence is a societal problem and transcends all economic groups." http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/police-report-tulsa-officer-fatally-shoots-daughter-s-boyfriend/article_c99c71e0-c77a-5c55-8b6a-30ca3a4f0b84.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: tulsa_fan on August 06, 2014, 01:45:39 pm The officer wasn't acting in capacity of a police officer, just a dad . . . It appears to be an extremely tragic, sad deal. I assume there's something more to the story somewhere, but I'm not seeing or hearing much of anything that prevents him from spending the rest of his life in jail.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on August 06, 2014, 01:52:44 pm The officer wasn't acting in capacity of a police officer, just a dad . . . It appears to be an extremely tragic, sad deal. I assume there's something more to the story somewhere, but I'm not seeing or hearing much of anything that prevents him from spending the rest of his life in jail. Most people acting in the capacity of "dad" don't shoot at their daughters. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Townsend on August 06, 2014, 02:00:45 pm Most people acting in the capacity of "dad" don't shoot at their daughters. Depends on the type of dad the person is. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on August 06, 2014, 02:37:14 pm Depends on the type of dad the person is. Two crazed cops with guns? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: tulsa_fan on August 06, 2014, 03:33:50 pm The vast majority of the population doesn't shoot at people. If you are trying to say his actions are because he is a cop, I disagree whole heartedly andI can go pull story after story of domestic situations turning deadly and not only in the heat of the moment physical fight. There are bad officers that abuse their power; this is a cop who for whatever reason decided to shoot someone and it's obviously rooted in a family situation.
Most people acting in the capacity of "dad" don't shoot at their daughters. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Townsend on August 06, 2014, 03:44:49 pm Two crazed cops with guns? Sure. Jeff MacDonald was convicted of killing his pregnant wife and two daughters. There's many types of fathers. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on August 06, 2014, 03:53:38 pm The comment section for News on 6 report. Seems to be leaning toward the racist card. So I'm guessing the young man was black.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on August 06, 2014, 03:59:47 pm Sure. Jeff MacDonald was convicted of killing his pregnant wife and two daughters. There's many types of fathers. OK. Until you mentioned him. I had never heard of what he did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_R._MacDonald Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on August 06, 2014, 05:30:59 pm OK. Until you mentioned him. I had never heard of what he did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_R._MacDonald Yes, there are a lot of fine upstanding fathers out there..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_William_Fisher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_William_Fisher) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: BKDotCom on August 06, 2014, 05:50:00 pm The comment section for News on 6 report. Seems to be leaning toward the racist card. So I'm guessing the young man was black. The young lad was of Caucasian descent. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on August 06, 2014, 06:03:15 pm The officer wasn't acting in capacity of a police officer, just a dad . . . It appears to be an extremely tragic, sad deal. I assume there's something more to the story somewhere, but I'm not seeing or hearing much of anything that prevents him from spending the rest of his life in jail. Tragic and sad. No matter what the rest of the story, there is/was NO excuse for shooting an unarmed person who was not an immediate, direct deadly threat. That is murder. And it sounds like he had this in mind before he drove up, so would be premeditated. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on August 06, 2014, 09:31:35 pm The officer wasn't acting in capacity of a police officer, just a dad . . . It appears to be an extremely tragic, sad deal. I assume there's something more to the story somewhere, but I'm not seeing or hearing much of anything that prevents him from spending the rest of his life in jail. Actually, there were two reasons I posted here. First, I was surprised by mid-day that the two who seem to troll the interwebz every day looking for police misconduct hadn’t weighed-in. Second, the media needs to be taken to task over this. It was not a “police-related” shooting as neither of the suspects were on duty at the time. A suspect’s occupation is not usually a basis for the story. “Tulsa police are investigating a crack dealer-related shooting” “Tulsa police are investigating a CEO-related shooting” “Tulsa police are investigating an auto mechanic-related shooting”. They saw the opportunity and sensationalized it. That said, I am curious what was going on in their heads. Did they think they were above the law? What happened to simple interventions? There’s a lot more to this story yet to be heard, so far all we’ve heard is from the daughter who says it was cold blood. Yet, she was dropped off at a homeless shelter recently because she wouldn’t follow the rules of the house. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on August 06, 2014, 09:51:40 pm The vast majority of the population doesn't shoot at people. If you are trying to say his actions are because he is a cop, I disagree whole heartedly andI can go pull story after story of domestic situations turning deadly and not only in the heat of the moment physical fight. There are bad officers that abuse their power; this is a cop who for whatever reason decided to shoot someone and it's obviously rooted in a family situation. OTOH, if you have spent your entire professional career immersed in an environment where you are told you will be shielded from the consequences of using deadly force, would you not be more willing to take that route than not? Quote The officer’s daughter told FOX23 she believes this was premeditated. “It was definitely a premeditated, murder. How could somebody go off and kill somebody they don’t know in cold blood and just drive away?” asked 18-year-old Lisa Kepler. She told FOX23 her (police officer) parents were fed up with her making bad choices and dropped her off at the Tulsa Day Center, a homeless shelter, last week. That’s where she met Jeremy Lake. http://www.fox23.com/news/news/man-shot-and-killed-northwest-tulsa/ngwYB/ Police reports show Lisa Keppler’s father, police officer Shannon Kepler, drove up in his black SUV and shot lake in the back of the head. The daughter said her father shot Lake two or three times, then shot at her two or three times, but missed. Kepler then drove off, according to the daughter. Tulsa Police say each of the Keplers has been with the department for 24 years. They've been placed on paid administrative leave. Josh Mills, 23, a friend of Lake’s, said he also was at the scene and recounted how his friend had died in his arms. Mills said he had paramedic training and tried to locate Lake’s bullet wounds and stem his bleeding. He said it appeared that Lake had been shot in the neck and chest from about three feet away. He said Shannon Kepler also fired a shot in the direction of Lake’s 13-year-old brother, who was sitting on the front porch. The bullet ricocheted and grazed the boy in the upper arm, Mills said. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on August 07, 2014, 08:54:57 am That said, I am curious what was going on in their heads. Did they think they were above the law? What happened to simple interventions? There’s a lot more to this story yet to be heard, so far all we’ve heard is from the daughter who says it was cold blood. Yet, she was dropped off at a homeless shelter recently because she wouldn’t follow the rules of the house. No matter what the "more to this story" is, the guy that got shot was not armed. No imminent deadly threat was implied. Even if they were arguing - have heard two versions so far - deadly force was not indicated. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: tulsa_fan on August 07, 2014, 11:54:25 am I really wonder what was going on in their heads as well. I do understand there is a long history of behavioral problems with her. But I don't see how that turns into him shooting the boy. I personally don't believe he thought it was something he would get away with, no consequences. . . Race is a non issue here, it amazes me how many people are trying to add that.
It's really a tragedy! Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on August 07, 2014, 12:47:23 pm Latest release from the Tulsa World is that Mr. Kepler had never been disciplined in 24 years while Mrs. Kepler had been suspended twice for minor infractions.
So, it’s not like this guy had been getting drunk and busting up bars or firing warning shots at neighbors whose dogs were crapping in his yard. Perhaps he mistook this young man for someone who had been a poor influence on his daughter and he had hit his breaking point. I know when my former stepdaughter was running with the wrong crowd when she was around that age, it would not have taken much more to push me over the edge with the POS she’d been dating who repeatedly beat her and worse. Fortunately, it never came to that and she did get her life together. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on August 07, 2014, 05:12:42 pm the media needs to be taken to task over this. It was not a “police-related” shooting as neither of the suspects were on duty at the time. A suspect’s occupation is not usually a basis for the story. “Tulsa police are investigating a crack dealer-related shooting” “Tulsa police are investigating a CEO-related shooting” “Tulsa police are investigating an auto mechanic-related shooting”. They saw the opportunity and sensationalized it. I dont think thats a good comparison, and police would probably be the first to tell you that. Back when the BoK center complained about off-duty police drinking while heeled there, The FOP replied: "Police Officers lead different lives from most citizens. When they go home from their shift, their responsibilities do not end. They must be concerned with their personal safety and that of their family if a person whom they have arrested recognizes them and would seek revenge, and they must uphold the oath that they take to defend the lives of citizens, even if they are off duty.” So being considered "on duty" while technically off duty is their choice, and comparisons between that and mechanics, etc, would only be valid if those mechanics posessed the same motivations and sanctions on the use of authority and force. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on August 07, 2014, 09:26:10 pm I dont think thats a good comparison, and police would probably be the first to tell you that. Back when the BoK center complained about off-duty police drinking while heeled there, The FOP replied: "Police Officers lead different lives from most citizens. When they go home from their shift, their responsibilities do not end. They must be concerned with their personal safety and that of their family if a person whom they have arrested recognizes them and would seek revenge, and they must uphold the oath that they take to defend the lives of citizens, even if they are off duty.” So being considered "on duty" while technically off duty is their choice, and comparisons between that and mechanics, etc, would only be valid if those mechanics posessed the same motivations and sanctions on the use of authority and force. Sorry Patric, I’m not getting the connect there. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Hoss on August 07, 2014, 09:32:31 pm Latest release from the Tulsa World is that Mr. Kepler had never been disciplined in 24 years while Mrs. Kepler had been suspended twice for minor infractions. So, it’s not like this guy had been getting drunk and busting up bars or firing warning shots at neighbors whose dogs were crapping in his yard. Perhaps he mistook this young man for someone who had been a poor influence on his daughter and he had hit his breaking point. I know when my former stepdaughter was running with the wrong crowd when she was around that age, it would not have taken much more to push me over the edge with the POS she’d been dating who repeatedly beat her and worse. Fortunately, it never came to that and she did get her life together. OK, so let me get this right. Are you insinuating this guy gets a pass because he 'mistook this young man for someone who had been a poor influence on his daughter'? Please tell me I'm reading that wrong. I don't know you incredibly well in the few times we've met, but I don't think you'd make that judgement. After the report on channel 6 tonight, all reports indicate this kid was a stand up kid. Maybe there were some things in his past we don't know about. Certainly nothing though that warranted the execution-style shooting he got. And certainly nothing that would warrant shooting at his own daughter FFS. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: AquaMan on August 08, 2014, 06:49:23 am So much sadness. It hurts whenever I envision the kid introducing himself and reaching out to shake the cops hand. Only to be gunned down. Even people who have substance abuse problems are otherwise like the rest of us. One tends to judge by looking at them that because they have a mohawk, because their family is poor and looks trashy, that they are somehow different than us or that they are inherently morally defective. Yet they are often more stand up than the rest of us.
As a father, I have been mad enough to want to kill only later to find out that my anger was misplaced or less than useful. That is why I don't carry a gun. I know my rage, my anger, my limitations. Whatever his daughters choices, she was 18. Responsible for them and apparently had found someone interested in helping her. The irony is that this guy has training for understanding the very issues he sucumbed to. And he trained others. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on August 08, 2014, 08:41:25 am OK, so let me get this right. Are you insinuating this guy gets a pass because he 'mistook this young man for someone who had been a poor influence on his daughter'? Please tell me I'm reading that wrong. I don't know you incredibly well in the few times we've met, but I don't think you'd make that judgement. After the report on channel 6 tonight, all reports indicate this kid was a stand up kid. Maybe there were some things in his past we don't know about. Certainly nothing though that warranted the execution-style shooting he got. And certainly nothing that would warrant shooting at his own daughter FFS. Oh, absolutely not. Just having a mental group grope trying to figure out how a cop who by all accounts has an exemplary record, was a great neighbor, father, etc. just snapped. I believe most cops view deadly force as a last resort on or off the job, that’s why this is such a bizarre murder. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Hoss on August 08, 2014, 09:57:22 am Oh, absolutely not. Just having a mental group grope trying to figure out how a cop who by all accounts has an exemplary record, was a great neighbor, father, etc. just snapped. I believe most cops view deadly force as a last resort on or off the job, that’s why this is such a bizarre murder. Yeah, I'm sure there are many variables at play here. But sad all the way around for sure. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on August 08, 2014, 02:05:42 pm The young lad was of Caucasian descent. The Daily Mail picked up the story and posted a couple pictures of the young lad. And again. Race has nothing to do with the murder of anyone. But I see why the comment section for the story on News on 6 website was leaning that way. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2719989/Teenager-says-parents-never-met-boyfriend-murdered-street.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on August 08, 2014, 09:47:15 pm Oh, absolutely not. Just having a mental group grope trying to figure out how a cop who by all accounts has an exemplary record, was a great neighbor, father, etc. just snapped. Toxicology tests might provide a clue, assuming the delay in the arrest doesn't throw the results. The 'drug testing' the FOP allows is more for show than anything, maybe that will change? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 17, 2014, 07:01:55 pm With this event, Moore police have been granted "00-" status.... Quote Private autopsy finds Norman man died of asphyxiation while in police custody at Warren Theater. Attorney says medical examiner's findings were clearly influenced by Moore police. http://www.koco.com/news/family-private-autopsy-finds-norman-man-died-of-asphyxiation-while-in-police-custody-at-warren-theater/28090168 "In documents that we obtained from the medical examiner's office, there are recordings of calls that were placed, members of the Moore Police Department were actually going up to the office to speak to the medical examiner involved." The medical examiner ruled the death a homicide, but after the investigation was completed, the Cleveland County district attorney ruled that no charges would be filed against police officers. "The subject was lying face down on the ground with several police officers on top of his back causing a situation known positional asphyxia, in such position the subject is restricted in the movement of his diaphragm for breathing," said the family's attorney Kenyatta Bethea. Bethea said he made attempts to speak to the OSBI, but they would not have conversations with individuals. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DGoforthFrontier on September 18, 2014, 10:00:17 am I can't get over just how strange it feels to have the state going through three nearly identical cases simultaneously. Even TCSO officials at the press conference Wednesday were kind of shaking their heads like "who knows?"
http://goo.gl/g7cX5Q (http://goo.gl/g7cX5Q) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on September 25, 2014, 11:45:05 am Got to be a drivers worst nightmare: being asked to get your drivers license then being shot when you do.
http://www.thestate.com/2014/09/24/3702695_sc-trooper-charged-with-felony.html?sp=/99/205/&rh=1 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 25, 2014, 04:24:13 pm Got to be a drivers worst nightmare: being asked to get your drivers license then being shot when you do. http://www.thestate.com/2014/09/24/3702695_sc-trooper-charged-with-felony.html?sp=/99/205/&rh=1 Another state to never go to.... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 26, 2014, 10:56:07 pm Another state to never go to.... Not so fast. South Carolina fired the little Rambo, and the DA charged him with a crime. Here, they enjoy a nice long paid vacation while OSBI puts its spin on it. The cops name would have been secret until the DA's rubber-stamp absolution, and the TV crime reporters read the spokespersons script without asking any embarrassing questions that might jeopardize their ride-alongs. Quote The director of the South Carolina Highway Patrol: 'Trooper Groubert reacted to a perceived threat where there was none. The department’s Use of Force Policy makes clear that officers shall use “only the level of force necessary to accomplish lawful objectives” and that “the use of force must be discontinued when it becomes apparent to the officer that the force is no longer needed.” ' Oklahoma, however, doesn't distinguish between real and imagined threats when an officer says he was acting "in fear." Our threshold for excusing deadly force is scandalously low, so we see more of it. The trooper also tried to use those well-rehearsed, stock excuses that are so sucessful here: "Trooper Groubert in his statement said that Mr. Jones presented an aggressive manner that he came toward his patrol car in an aggressive manner, that he reached into Mr. Jones vehicle in an aggressive manner like he was pulling something out. None of that was indicated on the video, none of that was present on the video. What we actually saw was Mr. Jones reaching in, obeying all commands that the trooper had given him, which was to simply give him his ID." Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 29, 2014, 04:36:35 pm Not so fast. South Carolina fired the little Rambo, and the DA charged him with a crime. Here, they enjoy a nice long paid vacation while OSBI puts its spin on it. The cops name would have been secret until the DA's rubber-stamp absolution, and the TV crime reporters read the spokespersons script without asking any embarrassing questions that might jeopardize their ride-alongs. True enough...and I really do like to drive through once in a while.... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on October 04, 2014, 11:29:01 am Federal probes of police often bring changes Investigators found a "pattern or practice of use of excessive force," including police dogs that bit suspects 70 percent of the time. They also found that some officers justified excessive force by falsely alleging that they were being assaulted. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-sun-investigates-doj-20141004,0,127736.story Anyone who doesn't know that's the way it works probably deserves the beating. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on October 05, 2014, 10:36:43 am Federal probes of police often bring changes Ours was stopped before it even got started. Sometimes the Feds fumble, but we got a local hotline... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: tulsa_fan on October 06, 2014, 08:47:22 am Ours was stopped before it even got started. Sometimes the Feds fumble, but we got a local hotline... ? We were under a DOJ Consent Decree for many years (ironically, the complaint that started that was made by a well known black racist officer who lied on reports to arrest white people often), not sure what you mean by it got stopped before it started. Also, our own officers have been integral is putting the bad ones behind bars. The last officer who was caught up in some bad crap? Handled 100% in-house, no one wants to work with the FBI after they did such a horrible job on the Henderson et al stuff. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on October 06, 2014, 10:04:33 am ? We were under a DOJ Consent Decree for many years (ironically, the complaint that started that was made by a well known black racist officer who lied on reports to arrest white people often), not sure what you mean by it got stopped before it started. Also, our own officers have been integral is putting the bad ones behind bars. The last officer who was caught up in some bad crap? Handled 100% in-house, no one wants to work with the FBI after they did such a horrible job on the Henderson et al stuff. Yes, the Henderson et al stuff where some bumblers forced the feds to pull the plug on the TPD investigation, and not the Consent Decree where the city was ordered to install dashcams four years ago. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on October 07, 2014, 01:43:20 pm Wow. I guess next time get out of the car. :o
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783809/Terrifying-moment-police-smashed-car-window-tasered-passenger-routine-traffic-stop-Indiana.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on October 07, 2014, 02:29:37 pm Wow. I guess next time get out of the car. :o http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783809/Terrifying-moment-police-smashed-car-window-tasered-passenger-routine-traffic-stop-Indiana.html Irregardless of any errors of the parents, shooting into a car full of kids was a poor choice. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 08, 2014, 06:00:34 am Irregardless of any errors of the parents, shooting into a car full of kids was a poor choice. Only if one is concerned about the "rule of law".... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on October 08, 2014, 08:56:32 am And the hits keep coming. Two "Brooklyn Nine Nine" cops punching an unarmed 17 year old with his hands up. Just another day in the NYPD.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2784511/Outrage-NYPD-officers-caught-camera-brutally-punching-pistol-whipping-teenager-teeth-AFTER-raised-hands-surrender-cops-face-criminal-charges.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on October 10, 2014, 07:07:18 pm Our own officers have been integral is putting the bad ones behind bars. The last officer who was caught up in some bad crap? Handled 100% in-house, no one wants to work with the FBI after they did such a horrible job on the Henderson et al stuff. Good to hear the notorious SID, previously indicted for planting evidence, armed robbery and perjury, is being handled "in-house" Lets see what they have been up to this week: Quote Special Investigations Division Officers Jeremy Ballard, 34, and Donald Cox, 32, were involved in a fatal shooting at a residence in the 8800 block of East 16th Street, according to a news handout issued Thursday. The release identified the man who was shot as Jason E. Rogers, 35. Police said SID Officers Ballard and Cox were following up on a domestic dispute. The undercover officers, with weapons in hand, surprised Rogers while he was mowing his yard around 5:20 p.m. Wednesday. Rogers, who had been receiving threats earlier, allegedly reached for his waistband, and the two plainclothes officers opened fire, killing Rogers. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on October 11, 2014, 05:33:45 pm Oh, absolutely not. Just having a mental group grope trying to figure out how a cop who by all accounts has an exemplary record, was a great neighbor, father, etc. just snapped. I believe most cops view deadly force as a last resort on or off the job, that’s why this is such a bizarre murder. (http://i0.huffpost.com/gen/1973326/thumbs/n-SHANNON-KEPLER-large570.jpg) Apparently the killer cop had been using Tulsa Police records to stalk his victim: 'Kepler, according to testimony given by police investigators during that bond hearing, had inside his home a report detailing a time Lake had been arrested while still a juvenile. On that report, police said, Kepler had hand-written Lake’s address, the home outside where he ultimately died.' Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on October 25, 2014, 05:06:38 pm Militarized police: Missouri sheriff defends grenade use during strip club raid
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/militarized-police-missouri-sheriff-defends-grenade-use-during-strip-club-raid-httpwww-rawstory-comrsp664587previewtrue/ A Missouri sheriff said his deputies used “flash-bang” grenades during a strip club raid to defend themselves against possible gunfire. Pulaski County Sheriff Ron Long said undercover work and unspecified “intelligence” indicated patrons at the After Dark club likely had weapons and drugs, reported The News-Leader. Long told the newspaper his deputies used the exploding devices during the Oct. 11 raid to prevent suspects from firing weapons after they are briefly stunned by the loud noise and bright light. More than 30 law enforcement officers, including a SWAT team, from multiple agencies raided the club, where about 50 people were inside. Some dancers hiding in a closet called 911 to report shots fired, but authorities said that was noise from the grenades. The sheriff said “well-trained people” on the department’s tactical team used one flash-bang grenade outside the club and another inside, and he said no one complained of injuries for hours after the raid. The owner, however, claimed injuries occurred while making a statement to investigators at the scene. Club owner Matthew Wagner was charged Tuesday with five counts of allowing dancers to be nude or semi-nude, three counts of being open after midnight and two counts of selling alcohol. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 27, 2014, 07:57:11 am Ours was stopped before it even got started. Sometimes the Feds fumble, but we got a local hotline... The Feds didn't fumble. The Fed learned from the County Commissioner scandals to just don't worry about Oklahoma...they will keep on truckin' with whatever it is, no matter how egregious....it's "Ok" with Oklahoma!! It's one of those things where we deserve what we get because we literally are asking for it.....repeatedly. See previous Failin', Inhofe, Kern, Lankford, Doobie posts....! Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on October 27, 2014, 06:45:28 pm Excessive Force is Cops Constitutional Right. Judge says ""pancakes""?
https://tribkcpq.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/suit.pdf Police claimed rules on their use of force infringe on their rights to use as much force as they deem necessary in self-protection, but this week, a federal judge summarily rejected a civil rights lawsuit filed by police, finding that they were without constitutional merit. The officers claimed the rules infringed on their rights under their Second Amendment and under the Fourth, claiming a self-defense right to use force. Chief U.S. District Judge Marsha Pechman pointed out that the Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms — not the right to use them — and that the officers “grossly misconstrued” the Fourth Amendment when they claimed that it protects them, and not individuals who would be the subjects of police force or seizures. The police lawsuit also embodies a Stand Your Ground-ification of self-defense attitudes in asserting that officers have a right not to de-escalate the situation before turning to deadly force, asserting that their force is protected “regardless of whether or not there existed less intrusive means, or alternatives to self-defense or defense of others, such as inflicting a less serious injury to, retreating from, or containing, or negotiating with a suspect.” http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/10/22/3582939/seattle-cops-sued-claiming-they-have-a-constitutional-right-to-use-excessive-force/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 28, 2014, 08:14:20 am Excessive Force is Cops Constitutional Right. Judge says ""pancakes""? https://tribkcpq.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/suit.pdf Police claimed rules on their use of force infringe on their rights to use as much force as they deem necessary in self-protection, but this week, a federal judge summarily rejected a civil rights lawsuit filed by police, finding that they were without constitutional merit. The officers claimed the rules infringed on their rights under their Second Amendment and under the Fourth, claiming a self-defense right to use force. Chief U.S. District Judge Marsha Pechman pointed out that the Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms — not the right to use them — and that the officers “grossly misconstrued” the Fourth Amendment when they claimed that it protects them, and not individuals who would be the subjects of police force or seizures. The police lawsuit also embodies a Stand Your Ground-ification of self-defense attitudes in asserting that officers have a right not to de-escalate the situation before turning to deadly force, asserting that their force is protected “regardless of whether or not there existed less intrusive means, or alternatives to self-defense or defense of others, such as inflicting a less serious injury to, retreating from, or containing, or negotiating with a suspect.” http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/10/22/3582939/seattle-cops-sued-claiming-they-have-a-constitutional-right-to-use-excessive-force/ A nice selection of examples of "just watering my hippies..." https://www.google.com/search?q=just+spraying+my+hippies&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=Gco&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=fflb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=LKNPVLTEHMmuyATam4K4BQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1920&bih=1089 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 28, 2014, 08:21:44 am Love this....!!
http://cheezburger.com/8281107200 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on November 09, 2014, 05:56:24 pm When you DONT consent to a fishing expedition search of your car:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XExqABO4kc[/youtube] http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/11/new-york-deputy-slaps-citizen-allowing-search-car/ Quote Sgt. Shawn R. Glans, 48, a police officer for 27 years, was suspended without pay pending an internal investigation. An Albany criminal defense attorney said incidents in which police claim they had permission to search a person's vehicle, but didn't, are common. "In my experience, most vehicle searches are conducted in complete disregard for the Fourth Amendment," Kindlon said. "Every few years one out of a zillion of these bad searches is captured on video. Then the powers-that-be declare themselves to be 'shocked.' " Red Flags: In 1999, the town of Wilton paid $6 million to settle a lawsuit filed by the family of a 45-year-old man left paralyzed when Glans, driving three times the speed limit, lost control of his patrol car and smashed head-on into another vehicle. A peek into a sick mind: “If I had to do it all over again … I’d probably do the same thing. If I knew the camera was there, no, because it does look bad.” ...And why did it "look bad"? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on November 11, 2014, 02:51:51 pm When you DONT consent to a fishing expedition search of your car: The law works if you have a camera. 2 days later he is fired and arrested. http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/11/saratoga-deputy-arrested-slapping-citizen-video/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on November 11, 2014, 04:27:18 pm The law works if you have a camera. 2 days later he is fired and arrested. http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/11/saratoga-deputy-arrested-slapping-citizen-video/ What do you wanna bet he will get a "slap" on the wrist....? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on November 11, 2014, 07:41:30 pm The law works if you have a camera. 2 days later he is fired and arrested. Not even if you have a camera. The POS deputy was allowed to resign, and instead of facing battery or civil rights violations charges, was ticketed for second-degree harassment. He was also arraigned on a misdemeanor charge of misconduct, which is expected to be dropped when they re-hire him next month. Uh-huh, its broken. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on November 12, 2014, 08:56:51 am The same exact slap given to the officer by the young man. Would have gotten him thrown to the ground, roughed up, arrested and charged with assault on a officer which is a felony.
But a clearly out of control angry police officer gets off with a misdemeanor. And will be employed again in some sort of capacity as a person who is supposed to uphold the very law he just violated. The county already had to pay out millions for his reckless accident he caused in his squad car back in the 90s. He showed how arrogant he is by stating he would do it again but differently if he knew he was being recorded. They all feel that way. He just has the Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on November 13, 2014, 08:42:39 am He is gone (and essentially blacklisted) and now the kids will make some money off the deal. Win-win. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on November 13, 2014, 09:09:52 am He is gone (and essentially blacklisted) and now the kids will make some money off the deal. Win-win. Two years max. He will be back - perhaps a different agency - that is the kind of personality they look for way too often. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on November 13, 2014, 11:28:31 am Two years max. He will be back - perhaps a different agency - that is the kind of personality they look for way too often. He's still an active PO in neighboring South Glens Falls, and before that, Saranac Lake police force. Moves a lot. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on November 15, 2014, 11:02:57 am He's still an active PO in neighboring South Glens Falls, and before that, Saranac Lake police force. Moves a lot. He was a Sarasota deputy sheriff in 1996 and was still one until a week or two ago? I would call that longevity, not "moving a lot." Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on November 16, 2014, 05:23:27 pm The same exact slap given to the officer by the young man. Would have gotten him thrown to the ground, roughed up, arrested and charged with assault on a officer which is a felony. But a clearly out of control angry police officer gets off with a misdemeanor. And will be employed again in some sort of capacity as a person who is supposed to uphold the very law he just violated. The county already had to pay out millions for his reckless accident he caused in his squad car back in the 90s. He showed how arrogant he is by stating he would do it again but differently if he knew he was being recorded. They all feel that way. He just has the After leaving the taxpayers with a $6 Million tab for paralyzing an innocent man, they might just call this incident "Tuesday." Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on November 29, 2014, 08:18:59 pm Wow. I guess next time get out of the car. :o http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783809/Terrifying-moment-police-smashed-car-window-tasered-passenger-routine-traffic-stop-Indiana.html Saying the FBI has "cleared" them, Hammond's mayor has returned two police officers to regular duty two months after they were accused of using excessive force during a traffic stop, smashing a window and using a Taser on a passenger. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-hammond-traffic-stop-taser-20141125-story.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on November 30, 2014, 12:05:29 am Saying the FBI has "cleared" them, Hammond's mayor has returned two police officers to regular duty two months after they were accused of using excessive force during a traffic stop, smashing a window and using a Taser on a passenger. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-hammond-traffic-stop-taser-20141125-story.html Police brutality in Gary and Hammond are frequently well-deserved. Ever been there? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on December 02, 2014, 03:57:12 pm Officer tells black man that walking with his hands in his pockets was "making people nervous"
A white police officer stopped a black Michigan man on Thanksgiving just for walking with his hands in his pockets, according to a video posted on Brandon McKean’s Facebook page on Nov. 27. The Pontiac, Michigan police officer detained Brandon McKean for “making people nervous,” after he was seen “walking by with your hands in your pockets.” McKean can be heard saying that his hands were in his pockets because it was snowing outside. “There’s 10,000 people in Pontiac right now with their hands in their pockets,” McKean told the officer. “You’re, right, but we do have a lot of robberies,” the officer told McKean, “So I’m just checking on you.” The officer can also be seen simultaneously recording the encounter on his phone. “Just got stopped Walking BECAUSE MY HANDS WERE IN MY POCKETS... POLICE STATE,” wrote McKean when he posted the video on Facebook. https://time.com/3611812/pontiac-police-michigan-stop-man-hands-pockets-cold/ [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_wLTmnKP5I[/youtube] Probably been a lot of shootings, too, but you only see one guy walking around with a gun... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on December 04, 2014, 08:03:33 pm Cop handled that one perfectly. Never got belligerent or abusive. When someone calls 911 it is their job to respond and he handled it with professionalism. Nice to see a good one. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 04, 2014, 08:20:08 pm Cop handled that one perfectly. Never got belligerent or abusive. When someone calls 911 it is their job to respond and he handled it with professionalism. Nice to see a good one. Yeah....right.... People are nervous.... <shaking of head in disbelief> I guess that is the best we can expect. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TheArtist on December 04, 2014, 08:38:20 pm Officer tells black man that walking with his hands in his pockets was "making people nervous" A white police officer stopped a black Michigan man on Thanksgiving just for walking with his hands in his pockets, according to a video posted on Brandon McKean’s Facebook page on Nov. 27. The Pontiac, Michigan police officer detained Brandon McKean for “making people nervous,” after he was seen “walking by with your hands in your pockets.” McKean can be heard saying that his hands were in his pockets because it was snowing outside. “There’s 10,000 people in Pontiac right now with their hands in their pockets,” McKean told the officer. “You’re, right, but we do have a lot of robberies,” the officer told McKean, “So I’m just checking on you.” The officer can also be seen simultaneously recording the encounter on his phone. “Just got stopped Walking BECAUSE MY HANDS WERE IN MY POCKETS... POLICE STATE,” wrote McKean when he posted the video on Facebook. https://time.com/3611812/pontiac-police-michigan-stop-man-hands-pockets-cold/ [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_wLTmnKP5I[/youtube] Probably been a lot of shootings, too, but you only see one guy walking around with a gun... The only police "misconduct" I see here is that the officer should have been arresting the person who made the prank/nuisance/defamatory/time wasting/taxpayer money wasting, phone call in the first place. Someone should have gotten in trouble for that, either the dispatcher who took the call and failed to screen it effectively or the person making the call. And if I were the officer I would have been mad at one of the two, or a crappy policy, and certainly not the guy "walking down the street". And yes the officer probably did the best he could in the sad situation he was put into. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on December 05, 2014, 09:04:35 am My take on that is. Stop acting like you have a chip on your shoulder. If it was any other color individual he would have been asked the same questions. Just answer like someone who has nothing to hide and then maybe both you and the Officer can laugh it off. But no. He has to break out the phone. Start filming and acting like he is all of the sudden a victim of racial profiling. For a race of people who spout out all kinds of wanting respect. It seems a lot of them don't want to show any. ???
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 05, 2014, 10:23:03 am My take on that is. Stop acting like you have a chip on your shoulder. If it was any other color individual he would have been asked the same questions. Just answer like someone who has nothing to hide and then maybe both you and the Officer can laugh it off. But no. He has to break out the phone. Start filming and acting like he is all of the sudden a victim of racial profiling. For a race of people who spout out all kinds of wanting respect. It seems a lot of them don't want to show any. ??? Really?? How many times have you walked down the street? On a cool day with your hands in your pockets? I do it all the time when it is cool - have for at least the last 50+ years. Have never made anyone nervous...'course the reason would be obvious if one saw me - old fat white guy, walking slowly - no threat there.... Never been stopped while walking by a cop to ask about what I was doing. Just because it never happens to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Actually, he WAS profiled. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on December 05, 2014, 10:30:40 am Really?? How many times have you walked down the street? On a cool day with your hands in your pockets? I do it all the time when it is cool - have for at least the last 50+ years. Have never made anyone nervous...'course the reason would be obvious if one saw me - old fat white guy, walking slowly - no threat there.... Never been stopped while walking by a cop to ask about what I was doing. Just because it never happens to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Actually, he WAS profiled. If someone calls the cops, it is their duty to respond. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on December 05, 2014, 11:05:23 am If someone calls the cops, it is their duty to respond. Exactly. And if it would have just happened to be an Officer of color. We wouldn't be having this conversation. Racism works both ways. It's just hard to convince some people that it does. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Townsend on December 05, 2014, 01:08:15 pm How many times have you walked down the street? On a cool day with your hands in your pockets? I do it all the time when it is cool - have for at least the last 50+ years. Have never made anyone nervous...'course the reason would be obvious if one saw me - old fat white guy, walking slowly - no threat there.... Never been stopped while walking by a cop to ask about what I was doing. Just because it never happens to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You walk down streets...all the time...in Tulsa? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 05, 2014, 01:28:36 pm You walk down streets...all the time...in Tulsa? Not necessarily "all the time" - sometimes I still have to work, but regularly enough to see cops drive by without stopping to ask me anything. Ever. Tulsa. OKC. Owasso. Bixby. Jenks (that's gotta make some nervous...) Broken Arrow. Moore. Norman. Collinsville. Claremore. Oologah. Talala. Inola. Redfork. Milwaukee. Minneapolis. St. Louis. Dallas. Knoxville. Portland. Seattle - actually a little town outside of. Just a few.... And drive even more! Not so much in Sand Springs or Sapulpa - just outside my traffic pattern for whatever reason. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on December 10, 2014, 01:31:37 pm My take on that is. Stop acting like you have a chip on your shoulder. If it was any other color individual he would have been asked the same questions. Just answer like someone who has nothing to hide and then maybe both you and the Officer can laugh it off. But no. He has to break out the phone. Start filming and acting like he is all of the sudden a victim of racial profiling. For a race of people who spout out all kinds of wanting respect. It seems a lot of them don't want to show any. ??? This is a great example of a huge attitude shift in America. If you aren't doing anything wrong, just answer the nice man's questions and we can all move on. He's from the government and has to ask. The government knows best... While treating officer's with respect is both easier and advisable, it isn't a requirement. The officer, on the other hand, is employed by We the People and should be expected to treat you, the citizen, with respect. In the video shown, I don't have a huge problem with the officer's behavior and I doubt it was racial profiling. BUT - an officer does not get blind authority to stop a citizen because some other citizen reports him (again, here the Officer did not actually "stop" the individual in the technical sense). An officer is free to, and very often does exercise discretion in choosing to address certain concerns. "Officer, a man has his hands in his pocket and it is scaring me." "Ma'am, I can't pester a citizen because he scared you simply by having his hands in his pockets. Is he doing anything else or is this a person you know to be dangerous? Then I'm sorry ma'am, this isn't really a police matter." In this instance, it was harmless. But DUI checkpoints, immigration checkpoints, and a plethora of other stretches of the 4th Amendment continue to erode our freedoms. Why is this is conservative position? It seems backwards to me. Conservatives argue that we need to expand police power and that we owe obedience to governmental authority. The police are the primary actors of the government. If your constitutional rights are going to be violated, it will probably be in an interaction with the police (most common governmental actor). Yet it is the conservatives who want them better armed, with broader authority to search citizens, and with more immunity when rights are violated. The liberals are the ones arguing for less governmental interference and more governmental accountability when government violates citizen rights. Seems totally backwards! Shouldn't the liberals be arguing for more police to "keep us safe!" while conservatives argue that safety means nothing if it comes at the expense of giving up our rights to the government? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: swake on December 10, 2014, 01:41:19 pm Not necessarily "all the time" - sometimes I still have to work, but regularly enough to see cops drive by without stopping to ask me anything. Ever. Tulsa. OKC. Owasso. Bixby. Jenks ('s gotta make sothat's gotta make some nervous...) Jenks requires sidewalks in all new developments and actively is adding sidewalks/trails to major streets that don't have them. Downtown/old town Jenks has to be the most walkable part of the metro outside of downtown/midtown. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on December 10, 2014, 03:08:30 pm Just answer like someone who has nothing to hide and then maybe both you and the Officer can laugh it off. Some thoughts on that tactic, from someone in a unique position to speak about civil rights and privacy: When you say, ‘I have nothing to hide,’ you’re saying, ‘I don’t care about this right.’ You’re saying, ‘I don’t have this right, because I’ve got to the point where I have to justify it.’ The way rights work is, the government has to justify its intrusion into your rights. http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/11/edward-snowden-new-yorker-festival/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 10, 2014, 04:29:48 pm This is a great example of a huge attitude shift in America. If you aren't doing anything wrong, just answer the nice man's questions and we can all move on. He's from the government and has to ask. The government knows best... While treating officer's with respect is both easier and advisable, it isn't a requirement. The officer, on the other hand, is employed by We the People and should be expected to treat you, the citizen, with respect. In the video shown, I don't have a huge problem with the officer's behavior and I doubt it was racial profiling. BUT - an officer does not get blind authority to stop a citizen because some other citizen reports him (again, here the Officer did not actually "stop" the individual in the technical sense). An officer is free to, and very often does exercise discretion in choosing to address certain concerns. "Officer, a man has his hands in his pocket and it is scaring me." "Ma'am, I can't pester a citizen because he scared you simply by having his hands in his pockets. Is he doing anything else or is this a person you know to be dangerous? Then I'm sorry ma'am, this isn't really a police matter." In this instance, it was harmless. But DUI checkpoints, immigration checkpoints, and a plethora of other stretches of the 4th Amendment continue to erode our freedoms. Why is this is conservative position? It seems backwards to me. Conservatives argue that we need to expand police power and that we owe obedience to governmental authority. The police are the primary actors of the government. If your constitutional rights are going to be violated, it will probably be in an interaction with the police (most common governmental actor). Yet it is the conservatives who want them better armed, with broader authority to search citizens, and with more immunity when rights are violated. The liberals are the ones arguing for less governmental interference and more governmental accountability when government violates citizen rights. Seems totally backwards! Shouldn't the liberals be arguing for more police to "keep us safe!" while conservatives argue that safety means nothing if it comes at the expense of giving up our rights to the government? It is backwards. It has been heading backwards for a long, long time. It is less government interference for corporate entities (the ones that own the representatives) and more interference for the people. In general, more of all the good stuff for the corporate entities and less of all the good stuff for people. And vice versa. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Ed W on December 11, 2014, 08:40:49 am Why is this is conservative position? It seems backwards to me. Conservatives argue that we need to expand police power and that we owe obedience to governmental authority. The police are the primary actors of the government. If your constitutional rights are going to be violated, it will probably be in an interaction with the police (most common governmental actor). Yet it is the conservatives who want them better armed, with broader authority to search citizens, and with more immunity when rights are violated. The liberals are the ones arguing for less governmental interference and more governmental accountability when government violates citizen rights. Seems totally backwards! Shouldn't the liberals be arguing for more police to "keep us safe!" while conservatives argue that safety means nothing if it comes at the expense of giving up our rights to the government? I disagree. This isn't a left/right issue. It's a common belief among those who take their rights seriously and believe that law enforcement will overstep the limits of their authority. I don't think that's a deliberate attempt to attack our fundamental rights. Instead, I tend to believe it's more about taking shortcuts to make their jobs easier. Still, there are too many opportunities for abuse. For example, a security guard approached someone and asked to search him, saying he had the authority to do so since the person was on private property and implying that he could be arrested and searched if he did not comply. The guy could have said no and left the property, but he didn't know this was an option. This was wrong on two fronts: the person didn't know his rights and the security guard took advantage of that lack of knowledge. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TheArtist on December 11, 2014, 02:43:29 pm If someone calls the cops, it is their duty to respond. Good next time I see you walking down the street or driving I will call the cops and have them come talk to you, and they can tell you that the reason they are stopping you to talk to you is because someone called about you. Apparently "I" am free to do so, for any reason I come up with, without repercussions, so why not? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on December 12, 2014, 03:05:11 pm Denver citizen board getting involved in a classic "citizen records bad cops/cops erase evidence and arrest citizen on his way to the news."
http://kdvr.com/2014/12/11/witness-who-shot-video-of-police-punching-suspect-arrested-sent-to-jail/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on December 12, 2014, 05:46:56 pm Denver citizen board getting involved in a classic "citizen records bad cops/cops erase evidence and arrest citizen on his way to the news." http://kdvr.com/2014/12/11/witness-who-shot-video-of-police-punching-suspect-arrested-sent-to-jail/ Gotta keep them tickets and court appearances in check. And yes they knew right when the warrants were issued and his whereabouts at the time. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on December 15, 2014, 05:31:17 pm 76 year old man thrown to the ground and tazed twice. For an inspection sticker the car wasn't even required to have.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2875183/Video-shows-pit-bull-like-Texas-police-officer-using-Taser-76-year-old-man-TWICE-pulling-expired-inspection-sticker.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on December 19, 2014, 11:06:28 pm 76 year old man thrown to the ground and tazed twice. For an inspection sticker the car wasn't even required to have. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2875183/Video-shows-pit-bull-like-Texas-police-officer-using-Taser-76-year-old-man-TWICE-pulling-expired-inspection-sticker.html http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/12/dashcam-catches-texas-cop-manhandling-stunning-elderly-man/ A local Texas police department has placed an officer on administrative duty following a Thursday scuffle with a 76-year-old man pulled over for allegedly displaying expired tags. The motorist, Pete Vasquez, was stopped at an auto dealership—where he worked and had just pulled into. He is seen exiting the vehicle—owned by the lot—to show the officer that the car has dealer plates. He also tried to get the dealership manager's attention. The brutality by the 23-year-old officer, Nathanial Robinson, then ensues. The officer is seen grabbing the man's arm and wrestling him to the ground in a Nelson hold. The two disappear from the dashcam's site, and the officer then appears standing, having drawn his stun gun. In the background is Drake's "Under Ground Kings" blaring from the patrol car's stereo, making it difficult to decipher the officer's words in front of the vehicle. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVNwPD7CPR8[/youtube] Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on January 17, 2015, 06:04:19 pm Family outraged after son's mug shot found used in target practice by Miami police.
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2080392.1421369768!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/practice16n-4-web.jpg) A trip to a Florida gun range left a National Guard soldier in tears when the face of her own brother was found being used as target practice by Miami police. A bullet-riddled photo of Woody Deant was discovered by his own sister last month when she visited the shooting range. North Miami Beach Police Chief J. Scott Dennis has defended the use of mug shots for target practice, saying it's vital for facial recognition drills. “This can create a very dangerous situation,” an attorney for the family said. “And it has been ingrained in your subconscious what does that mean when someone [police] comes across Woody or another person on the street and their decision-making process on using deadly force or not.” "If police discovered citizens using photos of cops for target practice, their reaction would no doubt be different." Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on January 22, 2015, 02:06:59 pm I don't think this falls under misconduct. But I'm sure there won't be an outcry of rights being violated since the black man killed with his hands up was shot multiple times by a black officer.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2920141/Video-shows-man-shot-New-Jersey-police-raising-hands.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on January 23, 2015, 10:07:22 am Wow. Watch this video. I'm thinking a couple of warning shots could have prevented this death. He was scared and running away.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/muskogee-police-release-video-footage-of-officer-shooting-armed-man/article_fed8ff3e-847e-5c8b-b155-64c4332a6cdd.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: rebound on January 23, 2015, 11:25:22 am Wow. Watch this video. I'm thinking a couple of warning shots could have prevented this death. He was scared and running away. http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/muskogee-police-release-video-footage-of-officer-shooting-armed-man/article_fed8ff3e-847e-5c8b-b155-64c4332a6cdd.html Seriously? A man who has already threatened people, with a loaded gun, who runs from police during a pat down, drops the gun, picks it up, and then turns toward the cop with said gun (with the hammer cocked, if we believe the audio) and you want a warning shot? Sorry, there are situations to question shooting, but this ain't one of them. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on January 23, 2015, 11:46:25 am Seriously? A man who has already threatened people, with a loaded gun, who runs from police during a pat down, drops the gun, picks it up, and then turns toward the cop with said gun (with the hammer cocked, if we believe the audio) and you want a warning shot? Sorry, there are situations to question shooting, but this ain't one of them. He turned toward the cop? I saw him turn sideways and try and pick something up. One shot overhead and him actually turn and raise something toward the officer then would justify multiple shots and killing him. But I'm sure Internal Affairs will view the video the same way you do. So all is right with police deadly force. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on January 23, 2015, 11:50:07 am Wow. Watch this video. I'm thinking a couple of warning shots could have prevented this death. He was scared and running away. http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/muskogee-police-release-video-footage-of-officer-shooting-armed-man/article_fed8ff3e-847e-5c8b-b155-64c4332a6cdd.html Six days seems like a long time to sit on video thats supposed to clear you. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 23, 2015, 12:13:34 pm He turned toward the cop? I saw him turn sideways and try and pick something up. One shot overhead and him actually turn and raise something toward the officer then would justify multiple shots and killing him. But I'm sure Internal Affairs will view the video the same way you do. So all is right with police deadly force. 1) Where is that warning shot going to land? 9mm round averages 1300fps, two seconds after firing, depending on the angle the shot is fired, that slug still has fatal velocity and is a half mile away. 2)Some one starts to point a gun at you, are you willing to give up five seconds firing a warning shot and give him a chance to fire back before you can aim and fire a second time? http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html (http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: rebound on January 23, 2015, 12:28:56 pm He turned toward the cop? I saw him turn sideways and try and pick something up. One shot overhead and him actually turn and raise something toward the officer then would justify multiple shots and killing him. But I'm sure Internal Affairs will view the video the same way you do. So all is right with police deadly force. "So all is right with police deadly force" Wow, broad brush there. I specifically did not say that, and called out that there are (numerous) times where serious question should be given to the appropriateness of police actions. But we must also be realistic in each circumstance, and in this one the rational review is that the shooting was appropriate. I won't review it all again, but: the cop knows guy has a gun on him and he has already threatened people, (b) guy drops his gun in running away, AND STOPS TO PICK IT UP TO REGAIN POSSESSION OF THE WEAPON, and while doing so turns at least generally back towards the cop. The gun is found loaded, with the hammer cocked. To advocate further hesitation on the part of the police officer would be to ask that he was shot at first before returning fire, and that is simply not a logical restriction to place on police officers. Also, in general, warning shots are not done due to possible collateral injuries or deaths. With regard to Patric's question of delay in the release of the video, I agree, but have nothing else to add on that aspect. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on January 23, 2015, 12:29:26 pm 1) Where is that warning shot going to land? 9mm round averages 1300fps, two seconds after firing, depending on the angle the shot is fired, that slug still has fatal velocity and is a half mile away. 2)Some one starts to point a gun at you, are you willing to give up five seconds firing a warning shot and give him a chance to fire back before you can aim and fire a second time? http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html (http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html) To the ground far right. I'm sure a trained Officer who can kill you. Can surely shoot safely and miss you. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 23, 2015, 12:43:22 pm To the ground far right. I'm sure a trained Officer who can kill you. Can surely shoot safely and miss you. Okay in this scenario you may be right. But not every scenario is the same. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on January 23, 2015, 12:51:54 pm Maybe I've just seen to many movies and have a whole skewed idea as to how these officers(in my opinion)should react in these situations. Loss of life means so much devastation to more than one person being gone.
I truly am not trying to be another vershawna nervona here. I have no axe to grind with Police Officers and was only suggesting my point of view after seeing the video. That maybe something could have been done differently and the young man would still be alive today. Here was another thought. They knew who he was, where he lives. So what about letting him continue to run off and arrest him at a later point? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 23, 2015, 01:14:16 pm Maybe I've just seen to many movies and have a whole skewed idea as to how these officers(in my opinion)should react in these situations. Loss of life means so much devastation to more than one person being gone. I truly am not trying to be another vershawna nervona here. I have no axe to grind with Police Officers and was only suggesting my point of view after seeing the video. That maybe something could have been done differently and the young man would still be alive today. Here was another thought. They knew who he was, where he lives. So what about letting him continue to run off and arrest him at a later point? Never thought you were going nervona. It's easy to armchair QB things. As for letting him go, he went there with the intention (as reported) to kill someone, and in that case you can't let an armed suspect run free thinking he will just show up at home. His actions show an intent, and the act of pointing a gun at an officer that was chasing him, depending on his state of mind (none of us know what that was) it could be a case of suicide by cop. Who knows. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on January 23, 2015, 01:28:19 pm To the ground far right. I'm sure a trained Officer who can kill you. Can surely shoot safely and miss you. In my conceal carry class, the instructor said never to point a weapon in the direction of someone you don’t intend to shoot. He went on to say: "Never fire the weapon at another person unless you are fully prepared to kill them.” Officers are not taught to fire off stray rounds, that’s how innocent bystanders get dead. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on January 23, 2015, 03:34:47 pm I bet he wouldn't have gotten shot if he would have laid on the ground and put his hands out.... How about we blame the dumb criminal, not the cop? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on January 23, 2015, 03:49:33 pm I bet he wouldn't have gotten shot if he would have laid on the ground and put his hands out.... How about we blame the dumb criminal, not the cop? Or hadn’t run in the first place. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on January 23, 2015, 04:55:42 pm This new slow motion of the video does show the young man pick up the gun and aim backward toward the officer. He does not fire and starts to run away from the officer who starts firing. His first couple of shots do not appear to hit the individual but the third and final two do.
http://www.tulsaworldtv.com/WARNING-Graphic-content-Slow-motion-of-Muskogee-Police-video-of-officer-involved-shooting-28418002?vcid=28418002&freewheel=91468&sitesection=tulsa Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 23, 2015, 07:54:41 pm This new slow motion of the video does show the young man pick up the gun and aim backward toward the officer. He does not fire and starts to run away from the officer who starts firing. His first couple of shots do not appear to hit the individual but the third and final two do. http://www.tulsaworldtv.com/WARNING-Graphic-content-Slow-motion-of-Muskogee-Police-video-of-officer-involved-shooting-28418002?vcid=28418002&freewheel=91468&sitesection=tulsa Plain and simple, you point a gun at a cop, that cop is going to fire a full clip at you. It's the officers job to protect other citizens as well as himself. His job is that you are a threat to others, and he is to stop you even if he gives his life doing so. Period. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on January 23, 2015, 08:07:02 pm I don't think this falls under misconduct. But I'm sure there won't be an outcry of rights being violated since the black man killed with his hands up was shot multiple times by a black officer. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2920141/Video-shows-man-shot-New-Jersey-police-raising-hands.html http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/01/21/police-video-shows-routine-traffic-stop-turn-deadly/22144795/ "The video speaks for itself that at no point was Jerame Reid a threat and he possessed no weapon on his person," Walter Hudson, chairman and founder of the civil rights group the National Awareness Alliance, said Wednesday. "He complied with the officer and the officer shot him." The South Jersey Times reported this week that residents had filed seven municipal court complaints against Days since 2013 and two against Worley in that span for alleged abuses of power; all the complaints were dismissed. "Hey Jerome, you reach for something, you gonna be f---ing dead. Keep your f---ing hands right there." [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?7&v=saQ8wW4DwkY[/youtube] Officer Days eventually turns his attention to the dashboard camera, telling officers in the last recorded exchange, "Turn it off, everybody should be off." Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on January 23, 2015, 08:08:26 pm This new slow motion of the video does show the young man pick up the gun and aim backward toward the officer. He does not fire and starts to run away from the officer who starts firing. His first couple of shots do not appear to hit the individual but the third and final two do. You only saw a gun when a cop later brought in front of the camera. The exact same scenario was used by OHP in another shooting the week before, when you only see a gun after another trooper arrives and displays it for the camera. Also, the audio is not in synchronization with the video, revealing some very poor edits. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 23, 2015, 08:19:17 pm Vashta, there's a conspiracy that police activity will cause the sun to come up in the east tomorrow and Belichick and Brady fixed the game.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: RecycleMichael on January 23, 2015, 08:44:59 pm Vashta, there's a conspiracy that police activity will cause the sun to come up in the east tomorrow and Belichick and Brady fixed the game. Don't smear the good name of police by linking them to those two cheaters. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Breadburner on January 24, 2015, 01:26:35 pm When cops are to nice they die......
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 24, 2015, 02:22:33 pm And when they are arrogant Richards trained in Oklahoma, the fourth amendment doesn't exist.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/21/us/asset-seizures/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/21/us/asset-seizures/index.html) https://desertsnow.com/ (https://desertsnow.com/) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on January 24, 2015, 05:26:23 pm And when they are arrogant Richards trained in Oklahoma, the fourth amendment doesn't exist. http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/21/us/asset-seizures/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/21/us/asset-seizures/index.html) https://desertsnow.com/ (https://desertsnow.com/) http://www.oklahomalegalgroup.com/oklahoma-criminal-defense/highway-interdictions-and-false-forfeiture http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/ http://newsok.com/oklahoma-da-halts-i-40-drug-stops-after-criticism/article/3864488 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on January 24, 2015, 06:16:25 pm Cop Shot by Cop From Another Force Who “Feared For His Safety”
Yonkers, NY– A Yonkers police officer is on medical leave after shooting and wounding an off duty officer from another precinct on Monday evening. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/suicidal-cop-shot-cop-force-feared-safety This shooting comes exactly two weeks after an Albuquerque officer shot an undercover officer during a drug sting over $60 worth of meth. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/undercover-albuquerque-police-officer-shot-fellow-cop/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 25, 2015, 01:34:54 am http://www.oklahomalegalgroup.com/oklahoma-criminal-defense/highway-interdictions-and-false-forfeiture http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/ http://newsok.com/oklahoma-da-halts-i-40-drug-stops-after-criticism/article/3864488 Thanks for the links. I know the original intent of the law was for back in the drug war days of the early 80's, but it seems that they have perverted it from the original scope. Bundled in with the Patriot Act probably. If they really want to seize money that may have been used in a drug operation without arresting anyone and get a ton of cash, why not take the drug dog into any bank and have them sniff around. (snarky sarcasm) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 27, 2015, 10:12:51 am To the ground far right. I'm sure a trained Officer who can kill you. Can surely shoot safely and miss you. "Warning shots" is a delusional Hollywood fantasy that we have been raised with in this country for some stupid reason! It is right up there with shooting the gun out of a persons hand. Not feasible. As well as not possible. Granted, there may be 3 or 4 people in the entire nation who could pull that off - but they aren't cops! And they would be stupid to try it. You should never point a gun you don't have intentions of shooting and should NEVER shoot at anything besides the actual target!! As for trained officers....well, if one thing has become absolutely obvious over the last 50 or 100 years or so, officers generally are very poor shots. We consistently hear stories about 15 or 20 or 50 shots fired, 3 or 4 of which actually hit the target. And of the 4 that hit, most are superficial, or at least not stopping, killing shots! Cops are very little better at hitting the target than the general population! A lot of that has to do with the adrenaline rush of the situation - they end up 'spraying' the area - but mostly it is very poor fire control. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Hoss on January 27, 2015, 10:30:09 am It is right up there with shooting the gun out of a persons hand. Not feasible. As well as not possible. Granted, there may be 3 or 4 people in the entire nation who could pull that off - but they aren't cops! And they would be stupid to try it. Wrong. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y54aONB3dns[/youtube] Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 27, 2015, 10:39:39 am Wrong. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y54aONB3dns[/youtube] For some reason, that link didn't show up until I started this reply..... Now THAT is funny!! I like it!! And I bet we got none in TPD who could do that.... One cannot help but notice that right behind the guy sitting on the chair is what appears to be a house perhaps or better yet, an apartment complex? With a blue car driving along the road back there. So, when the sniper shot the gun, the bullet in all likelihood continued - probably deflected one way or the other - into the surrounding neighborhood!! Yay, team!! Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on January 27, 2015, 01:55:45 pm "Warning shots" is a delusional Hollywood fantasy that we have been raised with in this country for some stupid reason! It is right up there with shooting the gun out of a persons hand. Not feasible. As well as not possible. Granted, there may be 3 or 4 people in the entire nation who could pull that off - but they aren't cops! And they would be stupid to try it. You should never point a gun you don't have intentions of shooting and should NEVER shoot at anything besides the actual target!! As for trained officers....well, if one thing has become absolutely obvious over the last 50 or 100 years or so, officers generally are very poor shots. We consistently hear stories about 15 or 20 or 50 shots fired, 3 or 4 of which actually hit the target. And of the 4 that hit, most are superficial, or at least not stopping, killing shots! Cops are very little better at hitting the target than the general population! A lot of that has to do with the adrenaline rush of the situation - they end up 'spraying' the area - but mostly it is very poor fire control. Sort of like shooting to wound. They dont, except when they do. A man was shot in the leg by a Tulsa police officer Tuesday as he tried to flee from authorities after reportedly attempting to rob a local pharmacy. Delricko Smart, 33, was shot once in the leg about 8:10 a.m. in the parking lot of the CVS Pharmacy at 2110 S. Harvard Ave. “I saw squealing tires and then a bang like a wreck,” he said. “I saw an officer draw his gun; I heard him (the officer) say something to the guy, and then there were five or six shots." Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 27, 2015, 02:18:33 pm Sort of like shooting to wound. They dont, except when they do. A man was shot in the leg by a Tulsa police officer Tuesday as he tried to flee from authorities after reportedly attempting to rob a local pharmacy. Delricko Smart, 33, was shot once in the leg about 8:10 a.m. in the parking lot of the CVS Pharmacy at 2110 S. Harvard Ave. “I saw squealing tires and then a bang like a wreck,” he said. “I saw an officer draw his gun; I heard him (the officer) say something to the guy, and then there were five or six shots." 5 or 6 shots....wounded once in the leg.... My point exactly. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on January 31, 2015, 05:55:43 pm 5 or 6 shots....wounded once in the leg.... My point exactly. Funny part was where they told Fox they deliberately winged him. http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/forner-tulsa-county-deputy-woman-arrested-in-east-tulsa-motel/article_60c50dae-3b89-562c-887f-2c22c97ae4e6.html Three people, including a former Tulsa County sheriff’s deputy, were arrested in connection with Tuesday’s fatal shooting of a man at an east Tulsa motel. Warren Crittenden, 44, of Stroud, and Pamela Taylor, 27, were arrested by Tulsa police on first-degree murder complaints late Tuesday. Crittenden was a sheriff’s deputy from Sept. 1, 1995, to Jan. 20, 2011, records show. He filed a lawsuit against the Sheriff’s Office in 2011. Crittenden, however, said he didn’t know the identities of the other men or their whereabouts. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on January 31, 2015, 10:16:16 pm Wow. Watch this video. I'm thinking a couple of warning shots could have prevented this death. He was scared and running away. "Adobe After Effects 16 - Adding elements behind complex objects(grass, chain link fences, hair, etc)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7RQUQPKqaQ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 31, 2015, 10:43:03 pm "Adobe After Effects 16 - Adding elements behind complex objects(grass, chain link fences, hair, etc)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7RQUQPKqaQ (http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/kallsop2/8abd424f-a951-45af-9630-af0f05de97fa.jpg) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on February 02, 2015, 01:58:33 pm Go for it, baby! (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ani2ZSDeppc/Uy194XTV-TI/AAAAAAAAQDc/8l4DofcCRxE/s1600/sound-of-music-guns.gif) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on February 13, 2015, 08:14:58 am Walking on the sidewalk. Doesn't speak English. Thrown to the ground and now he is paralyzed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951904/Alabama-cop-fired-dash-cam-footage-shows-paralyzed-Indian-granddad-slammed-ground-unable-stand.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on February 13, 2015, 11:08:37 am Walking on the sidewalk. Doesn't speak English. Thrown to the ground and now he is paralyzed. http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/02/indian_citizen_stopped_by_madi.html[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVgXZpwvc5I[/youtube] Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 13, 2015, 11:32:02 am http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/02/indian_citizen_stopped_by_madi.html Sounds like the cop said something about a "white neighborhood" at about 6:30 into it. He tried to point down the street to the son's house at the beginning of this carp, and then tried to lead them to the house. What a disgusting display! And throughout the last 6 or 7 minutes, these dipsticks don't have the mental horsepower to figure out he can't stand up - because they hurt him!! At 2:38 or so, the cop says, "he don't speak a lick a English".... neither does the cop. He's bleeding - one asked him if he was bleeding...the other said he busted his nose.... No. The cop busted his nose. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Breadburner on February 14, 2015, 08:23:08 am Thanks for the rundown....
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on February 14, 2015, 06:12:35 pm Sounds like the cop said something about a "white neighborhood" at about 6:30 into it. He tried to point down the street to the son's house at the beginning of this carp, and then tried to lead them to the house. What a disgusting display! And throughout the last 6 or 7 minutes, these dipsticks don't have the mental horsepower to figure out he can't stand up - because they hurt him!! At 2:38 or so, the cop says, "he don't speak a lick a English".... neither does the cop. He's bleeding - one asked him if he was bleeding...the other said he busted his nose.... No. The cop busted his nose. The hits just keep rolling.... Mexico Condemns Brutality of U.S. Police The Mexican foreign affairs ministry has condemned the fatal police shooting of a 35-year-old Mexican national in Pasco, Washington, marking an extraordinary escalation in criticism surrounding the local police. Antonio Zambrano-Montes, an orchard worker who had been living in Pasco for 10 years, was shot dead on Tuesday. Purported video footage of the incident later uploaded to YouTube appears to show Zambrano-Montes running away from three police officers with his hands momentarily raised before he is shot down in a volley of 13 bullets. Police say he had been throwing rocks at officers on a busy intersection and “low level” force had failed to subdue him. “The government of Mexico deeply condemns incidents in which force is used in a disproportionate manner, even more so when that use of force leads to loss of life,” the ministry said in a statement. “These unfortunate events cause damage to the community and erode trust in the authorities.” http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/13/mexico-condemns-pasco-police-shooting-zambrano-montes [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIYzkL0AT_8[/youtube] Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 15, 2015, 06:59:36 pm Thanks for the rundown.... You're welcome!! Just thought I would help you along a little bit there! Wouldn't want the apologists to lose track of reality.... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: guido911 on February 16, 2015, 12:57:50 am Police memorial desecrated.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/02/14/2-arrested-after-police-memorial-vandalized-during-protests-in-denver/ PARTY TIME for at least two TNF posters. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on February 17, 2015, 09:30:08 am Hole up! Hole up! y'all. We're Red!
They're going to have to take away the ability for these Officers to turn off their dash cams. http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-police-video-at-heart-of-lawsuit-dismissal-of/article_f4c65142-f3be-57f1-a957-9f256fb02459.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on February 17, 2015, 11:40:57 am Hole up! Hole up! y'all. We're Red! They're going to have to take away the ability for these Officers to turn off their dash cams. http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-police-video-at-heart-of-lawsuit-dismissal-of/article_f4c65142-f3be-57f1-a957-9f256fb02459.html Seems to be a trend that probably should be addressed by the courts. Like this (Officer) Days eventually turns his attention to the vehicle and its dashboard camera, telling officers in the last recorded exchange, "Turn it off, everybody should be off." http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/01/21/police-video-shows-routine-traffic-stop-turn-deadly/22144795/ and this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2943283/Minnesota-police-officer-shoots-party-goer-three-times-four-crucial-minutes-dash-camer-footage-later-goes-missing.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on February 17, 2015, 10:49:30 pm Police memorial desecrated. http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/02/14/2-arrested-after-police-memorial-vandalized-during-protests-in-denver/ PARTY TIME for at least two TNF posters. Union: "Law enforcement agencies across the nation are under siege right now." "It is telling that at this moment, local media and the Denver Police Department are more offended over red paint being splashed on a piece of stone than the very real red blood that continues to stain our streets because of unchecked police violence." http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27532580/reaction-swirls-police-id-men-arrested-defacing-memorial It took only a few seconds for the fire department to rinse the paint from the stone, after being held back by a police union representative intent on exploiting a photo opportunity. We all saw how upset Guido was when someone vandalized the memorial in Ferguson. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/12/28/ferguson-police-department-puts-officer-on-leave-after-remarks-about-destroyed-memorial/?hpid=z4 Oh, and here is what a REAL public defender does: Defend the public. Here's one that was arrested for doing just that. http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/01/san-francisco-public-defender-arrested-defending-client/ “I was arrested for what we do as public defenders every day,” Tillotson said of the encounter, which was captured in a video that the public defender’s office posted on YouTube. “I asked questions. I talked to my client and explained to him his rights. At that point, I was told I was interfering and taken into custody.” "Interfering with police" was one of those broad-brush laws police unions pressured lawmakers into passing nationwide, and you can see here how easily it is to abuse. No One Is Stoking an Anti-Police Movement. We Just Want Better Policing http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/12/ismaaiyl_brinsley_murdered_two_police_officers_in_brooklyn_police_departments.html When criminals kill cops, they’re punished. But when cops kill citizens, the system breaks down and no one is held accountable. That is what people are protesting. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: guido911 on February 18, 2015, 01:45:39 am No One Is Stoking an Anti-Police Movement. We Just Want Better Policing http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/12/ismaaiyl_brinsley_murdered_two_police_officers_in_brooklyn_police_departments.html When criminals kill cops, they’re punished. But when cops kill citizens, the system breaks down and no one is held accountable. That is what people are protesting. So naturally, one protests by burning down innocent businesses, looting stores, disrupting people having meals, attacking innocent bystanders, assassinating police officers, etc. Looks like a whole bunch of people are being held to account to me. And stow the "I want better policing" crap. You want perfect policing according to your own standards. Cops are out there every day, doing great work in our communities. How about you? Maybe I need a refresher, could you point to me your last 2-3 positive news stories about police? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: rebound on February 18, 2015, 10:00:38 am And stow the "I want better policing" crap. You want perfect policing according to your own standards. Cops are out there every day, doing great work in our communities. How about you? Maybe I need a refresher, could you point to me your last 2-3 positive news stories about police? There are plenty of (rightly) positive stories about police. That's not his job. He's an activist, and I mean that as a compliment. Activists, on any topic, are the "canaries in the coal mine" that call attention to issues before they get beyond correction. So argue the point, or maybe accept that there is something to his position, but don't expect him to present both sides. That's not his role, and we need to remember that is a very valuable position in our society. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on February 18, 2015, 10:34:58 am There are plenty of (rightly) positive stories about police. That's not his job. He's an activist, and I mean that as a compliment. Activists, on any topic, are the "canaries in the coal mine" that call attention to issues before they get beyond correction. So argue the point, or maybe accept that there is something to his position, but don't expect him to present both sides. That's not his role, and we need to remember that is a very valuable position in our society. True that. Him or Her is the TMZ of this forum. And like the nightly news. The stories of Police getting the kitty out of a tree. Or walking the elderly across a busy street is not going to get the spotlight in this negative society we live in. My posting of these stories is that it's becoming more apparent that this kind of activity is happening more and more when these individuals are paid very high salaries by the city taxes. And they abuse the law against the citizens that are supposed to be protected. And then the law agency finds a way to protect them against prosecution and in some cases maintain their job. And here is a fine example of what I just stated. The "elbow of justice" http://www.tulsaworld.com/communities/owasso/news/owasso-city-council-oks-more-than-in-back-pay-to/article_98c93c12-2bd1-5bc9-acd3-a42a9d6a8eaf.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: guido911 on February 18, 2015, 04:30:57 pm There are plenty of (rightly) positive stories about police. That's not his job. He's an activist, and I mean that as a compliment. Activists, on any topic, are the "canaries in the coal mine" that call attention to issues before they get beyond correction. So argue the point, or maybe accept that there is something to his position, but don't expect him to present both sides. That's not his role, and we need to remember that is a very valuable position in our society. Well then. Since being an activist does not mean you should be responsible enough to not tell half-truths, distortions, and misrepresentations, or generally cherry-picked incidents and anecdotes to support only one view...Ladies and gentlemen, I give you one of Oklahoma's greatest "activists", who often opines on a "topic", which according to rebound is "very valuable position in our society": (http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/d8/6d8f817d-ef26-5c58-acd2-5690511bb585/54c87db828f7a.image.jpg) Let's wait for the compliments to start rolling. Title: Re: Post by: Ed W on February 18, 2015, 06:04:55 pm The availability of small, high quality video equipment lead to the exposure of numerous abuses of power by LEOs. I don't expect the number actually changed, but previously those incidents were more easily dismissed when citizens complained. Video produced accountability. If an officer routinely disregards people's rights and his department's own procedures, neither the public nor his fellow officers want him out on the street.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: rebound on February 18, 2015, 06:22:40 pm Well then. Since being an activist does not mean you should be responsible enough to not tell half-truths, distortions, and misrepresentations, or generally cherry-picked incidents and anecdotes to support only one view...Ladies and gentlemen, I give you one of Oklahoma's greatest "activists", who often opines on a "topic", which according to rebound is "very valuable position in our society": (http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/d8/6d8f817d-ef26-5c58-acd2-5690511bb585/54c87db828f7a.image.jpg) Let's wait for the compliments to start rolling. Man, you need to work on a depth of argument. And seriously, I'm not sure why you and some others think a picture is always necessary to make a point most of the time? I think you think it is somehow shorthand for a much larger position, but it doesn't work most of the time, at least not for me. But regardless, I'll bite anyway. First, I am not sure who this is? Sally Kern? Couldn't you have just said Sally Kern, without the picture? Your original accusation against Vashta was that he was not presenting both sides of the argument, not that he was being untruthful or misrepresenting anything. There are numerous people on this board, you included, that don't present both sides of an argument, so to suggest that he should is illogical. That's not what he does. And if you follow his (or maybe her, sorry...) posts, it's pretty easy to figure out where he is coming from. He's an advocate or an activist, take your pick. And again, especially in public discourse, that's a good thing. Now, if you feel he is being untruthful, that's another story. Hit him with facts to counter his position on specific posts, etc. For example, there was a lot of good back and forth on the Ferguson incident on this board, with both sides calling into question the veracity of the others' positions and points. Great stuff, and we could use more like it on issues like this. (However, "there's a lot of good cops, so shut up about the bad ones" doesn't really cut it.) Also, I make a great distinction between you, me or Vashta in that we are simply private citizens opining on message board. We can afford to have one-sided opinions and be idiots if we want. Kern on the other hand is an elected official, and I (rightfully, I think) hold her to higher standard. Unfortunately, she and others in our Legislature often fail to live up to that standard. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on February 18, 2015, 06:58:07 pm The availability of small, high quality video equipment lead to the exposure of numerous abuses of power by LEOs. I don't expect the number actually changed, but previously those incidents were more easily dismissed when citizens complained. Video produced accountability. If an officer routinely disregards people's rights and his department's own procedures, neither the public nor his fellow officers want him out on the street. It only took 3 days of body-cam use to catch the elbow cop, but it should also be noted that it was a fellow officer that filed the complaint, and the city fired him.... but the union went to court and got still-lieutenant Mike Denton his exact same position back, and $283,420.04 in back pay. Now he wants back-overtime. The guy Denton bloodied up was offered $1,500 not to sue while still in jail, which he took, but had to give right back to pay court fees. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on February 18, 2015, 07:47:44 pm (http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/d8/6d8f817d-ef26-5c58-acd2-5690511bb585/54c87db828f7a.image.jpg) She’s got to be a Fred Phelps love child. Ca-reepy. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: guido911 on February 18, 2015, 08:10:05 pm Man, you need to work on a depth of argument. And seriously, I'm not sure why you and some others think a picture is always necessary to make a point most of the time? I think you think it is somehow shorthand for a much larger position, but it doesn't work most of the time, at least not for me. But regardless, I'll bite anyway. First, I am not sure who this is? Sally Kern? Couldn't you have just said Sally Kern, without the picture? Your original accusation against Vashta was that he was not presenting both sides of the argument, not that he was being untruthful or misrepresenting anything. There are numerous people on this board, you included, that don't present both sides of an argument, so to suggest that he should is illogical. That's not what he does. And if you follow his (or maybe her, sorry...) posts, it's pretty easy to figure out where he is coming from. He's an advocate or an activist, take your pick. And again, especially in public discourse, that's a good thing. Now, if you feel he is being untruthful, that's another story. Hit him with facts to counter his position on specific posts, etc. For example, there was a lot of good back and forth on the Ferguson incident on this board, with both sides calling into question the veracity of the others' positions and points. Great stuff, and we could use more like it on issues like this. (However, "there's a lot of good cops, so shut up about the bad ones" doesn't really cut it.) Also, I make a great distinction between you, me or Vashta in that we are simply private citizens opining on message board. We can afford to have one-sided opinions and be idiots if we want. Kern on the other hand is an elected official, and I (rightfully, I think) hold her to higher standard. Unfortunately, she and others in our Legislature often fail to live up to that standard. On attacking my depth of argument, sounds like someone is upset they were hoisted on their own petard. First, you set the ground rules, live with them. Second, you made ZERO distinction between private vs. public activists, and holding "any" activist to a higher standard merely because they are elected to some post is nothing than a baseless double standard. You gave the ol' "applause sign" to a person I consider to be what's wrong with sincere activism. IMO, fear mongering and hostility to authority without any sense of balance makes someone a propagandist in that area--not an activist. Propaganda is offensive and does not further debate. Now, have I behaved that way? Sure, sometimes. And when I do I expect to called on it. And people do. Title: Re: Post by: guido911 on February 18, 2015, 08:12:10 pm The availability of small, high quality video equipment lead to the exposure of numerous abuses of power by LEOs. I don't expect the number actually changed, but previously those incidents were more easily dismissed when citizens complained. Video produced accountability. If an officer routinely disregards people's rights and his department's own procedures, neither the public nor his fellow officers want him out on the street. And those LEO should get prosecuted or subject to civil action. You don't burn crap down or give excuses to provide cover for those that do. Title: Re: Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 18, 2015, 08:21:19 pm You don't burn crap down or give excuses to provide cover for those that do. Except for when you do?? Like all those one-sided activists who started this country? How dare they take a one-sided pose AND burn crap down...?? I think someone would have been a Loyalist.... America... change it or lose it!! I gotta print out some bumper stickers.... Title: Re: Post by: guido911 on February 18, 2015, 09:16:59 pm Except for when you do?? Like all those one-sided activists who started this country? How dare they take a one-sided pose AND burn crap down...?? I think someone would have been a Loyalist.... America... change it or lose it!! I gotta print out some bumper stickers.... I think your fluid levels need addressed--immediately. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on February 18, 2015, 09:27:17 pm (http://rs1101.pbsrc.com/albums/g439/exatera/smileys/food%20drink/vrijetijd01.gif~c200)
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: guido911 on February 18, 2015, 10:06:32 pm Me too.
(http://media.giphy.com/media/fJbejoxTZCxLq/giphy.gif) Title: Re: Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 19, 2015, 09:14:55 am I think your fluid levels need addressed--immediately. Really? You used to be so much better at this...is the press of business so heavy that you can't take the time to write a reasoned response?? Are you having law clerks fill in for you...?? It's almost like early onset Old-timers... Come on, guy, I know you can do better!! Step it up!!! And pictures and video clips? When originally done, it was innovative and clever - sometimes. The "463rd time", it is derivative, trite, and doesn't even rise to the level of "tragically hip"... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: rebound on February 19, 2015, 10:09:58 am On attacking my depth of argument, sounds like someone is upset they were hoisted on their own petard. First, you set the ground rules, live with them. Second, you made ZERO distinction between private vs. public activists, and holding "any" activist to a higher standard merely because they are elected to some post is nothing than a baseless double standard. You gave the ol' "applause sign" to a person I consider to be what's wrong with sincere activism. IMO, fear mongering and hostility to authority without any sense of balance makes someone a propagandist in that area--not an activist. Propaganda is offensive and does not further debate. Now, have I behaved that way? Sure, sometimes. And when I do I expect to called on it. And people do. Awesome! Now, see, this is what I'm talking about. Words, not pictures, and some verbiage to make a point. (In my defense though, I've noticed others are getting tired of all the pictures...) So to debate the point and not the poster, I offer up a couple of counters. First, fair enough on me not calling out a distinction between elected officials and private activists. There is a distinct difference, and to me this is a self-evident position. An elected official has a duty (IMHO) to consider all sides of an argument and act accordingly. No doubt all officials have bias in some way or another, and so will tend to a certain political position. (They did run on a platform, after all.) But they cannot afford themselves blinded allegiance to an extreme position on either end of the political spectrum. A private citizen however, can. We need, and should appreciate, those special interests for what they are (good and bad) and act accordingly. With regard to "any sense of balance", I actually somewhat agree with you there. And I much more respect a person who can explain a position, rather than simply brow-beating it upon us ad-nauseam. But to this specific topic, I question what "balance" is appropriate? Do any of us, including Vashta, think that the vast majority of police are anything but good, well-meaning individuals? Again, I think that is a given position among the majority. But that does not excuse abuse by authority, and we should demand accountability from those same police when members of their own go rouge and cause harm. Title: Re: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Ed W on February 19, 2015, 11:19:24 am It only took 3 days of body-cam use to catch the elbow cop, but it should also be noted that it was a fellow officer that filed the complaint, and the city fired him.... but the union went to court and got still-lieutenant Mike Denton his exact same position back, and $283,420.04 in back pay. I'd be happy if Denton were assigned to a tiny desk in a back room and never allowed on the street again. He'd have an in-box and an out-box, but the in-box would always be empty.Now he wants back-overtime. The guy Denton bloodied up was offered $1,500 not to sue while still in jail, which he took, but had to give right back to pay court fees. Title: Re: Post by: guido911 on February 19, 2015, 01:02:41 pm Really? You used to be so much better at this...is the press of business so heavy that you can't take the time to write a reasoned response?? Are you having law clerks fill in for you...?? It's almost like early onset Old-timers... Come on, guy, I know you can do better!! Step it up!!! And pictures and video clips? When originally done, it was innovative and clever - sometimes. The "463rd time", it is derivative, trite, and doesn't even rise to the level of "tragically hip"... Relax. Having fun with ya... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on February 19, 2015, 01:50:02 pm I think I've said it before in this thread... but no one addressed it:
Why is calling out governmental abuses of power a liberal issue? Shouldn't the liberals be happy that an overreaching government is violating constitutional rights to keep us safe? "I will give up all the freedom needed to make sure I'm safe, warm, and cozy!" Shouldn't it be the conservatives who demand small government and protest when the government abuses its power over citizens? Police brutality, police excessive use of force, 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th Constitutional Amendment violations by police... THIS IS HOW THE *GOVERNMENT* ABUSES POWER. The police are the primary actors of the government. The government employs millions of people to exercise control over citizens... those are called law enforcement. They are agents of the government. Having a government agent stop you without cause, or search your home without a warrant, or damage your person or property without just compensation --- these are primary reasons for our revolutionary war. Protecting ourselves from government agents is the entire reason we formed our own country. When government overstep their boundaries and perform a search that is not constitutional - conservatives applaud their efforts to catch the bad guys. When they shoot an unarmed man dead, conservatives say "he should have obeyed." When they arrest reporters, photographers, or otherwise blatantly ignore the US Constitution... the liberals are the ones that speak out. That is backwards. Why are the conservatives consistently on the side of the government? Law Enforcement is an important and utterly necessary part of government. The vast majority of interactions with law enforcement is professional and most officers excel at their jobs (and yes, this includes my friends and relatives in law enforcement, with whom I have this same discussion). But when they step over the line, it is a governmental abuse of power against a citizen. Both the government and individual actor needs to be held accountable. Why is that controversial? Why does that mean anyone would celebrate the vandalism of a monument to deceased officers? Why does that mean people do not appreciate the millions of dedicated LEOs that enforce our laws every day? Supporting law enforcement and demanding government accountability are not mutual exclusive. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 19, 2015, 02:07:50 pm Shouldn't it be the conservatives who demand small government and protest when the government abuses its power over citizens? That is backwards. Why are the conservatives consistently on the side of the government? Supporting law enforcement and demanding government accountability are not mutual exclusive. Because they are lying. The real agenda is accumulation of power. And on the other side, wouldn't one expect a liberal to advocate keeping the government out of peoples business as defined by the Constitution? Specifically as relates to the 2nd Constitutional Amendment? Because the real agenda is accumulation of power. Both sides have some major problems. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on February 19, 2015, 06:41:49 pm "It is telling that at this moment, local media and the Denver Police Department are more offended over red paint being splashed on a piece of stone than the very real red blood that continues to stain our streets because of unchecked police violence." What is telling is people who have always been staunch supporters of police or who have had family members serve, finally coming around to the realization that what we have today isnt what we had back then. It will take longer to fix than it did to break, but you have to start somewhere. One suggestion has been that officers go back to being a part of the community they work in. That might mean not driving back and forth to your home in Muskogee or Bartlesville. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Hoss on February 19, 2015, 07:05:47 pm What is telling is people who have always been staunch supporters of police or who have had family members serve, finally coming around to the realization that what we have today isnt what we had back then. It will take longer to fix than it did to break, but you have to start somewhere. One suggestion has been that officers go back to being a part of the community they work in. That might mean not driving back and forth to your home in Muskogee or Bartlesville. Point well made. I see a Tulsa police cruiser parked down the street from my brother every day I'm over there. My brother lives in Broken Arrow. And not BA close to Tulsa city limits either, he lives in the middle of BA. I thought TPD changed policy on this some years ago... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on February 19, 2015, 07:58:07 pm I thought TPD changed policy on this some years ago... They did... But you looked the other way for a second and they reversed it. http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/tulsa-police-officers-once-again-allowed-drive-pat/ngmWT/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on February 20, 2015, 08:50:21 am What is telling is people who have always been staunch supporters of police or who have had family members serve, finally coming around to the realization that what we have today isnt what we had back then. Ding, Ding, Ding! Give that man a Daniel Webster C-Gar. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: guido911 on February 20, 2015, 03:15:52 pm Ding, Ding, Ding! Give that man a Daniel Webster C-Gar. I don't understand. Is the point that police today are more brutal or generally worse than they were 30-50 years ago? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Hoss on February 20, 2015, 04:29:28 pm I don't understand. Is the point that police today are more brutal or generally worse than they were 30-50 years ago? Maybe not. It might all be the same from then to now, it's just with the advent of instant video, instances of brutality are more easily..shall we say...proven, than they were 50 years ago. But I'm guessing that will garner a witty image or something... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on February 20, 2015, 06:02:12 pm Maybe not. It might all be the same from then to now, it's just with the advent of instant video, instances of brutality are more easily..shall we say...proven, than they were 50 years ago. But I'm guessing that will garner a witty image or something... I think you are closer to reality with that statement. It's like so many other things that have been happening with the 24 hour new cycle, and now instant video, it's reported on more frequently, but the frequency of the events are about the same. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on February 20, 2015, 10:53:54 pm You gave the ol' "applause sign" to a person I consider to be what's wrong with sincere activism. IMO, fear mongering and hostility to authority without any sense of balance makes someone a propagandist in that area--not an activist. No, this is propaganda: http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/drug-task-force-stop-trafficking/nkDgz Oh, yeah, this is the week they are going to eliminate drugs. Been waiting for that, but I have to ask, what were you doing with all the millions of dollars we gave you since the 1960's? Its mindless lies told by people sick enough to believe their own lies, parroted and cheered on by naive people who should instead be asking questions and holding governments feet to the fire. These days it's more important for crime reporters to get to ride in a police tank, than to demand to know why those are there in the first place. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Hoss on February 21, 2015, 12:01:02 am [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdHIatS36A[/youtube]
I'm sure many of you won't be able to spend the requisite 15 minutes watching this. Keep in mind this was from August, when still pretty fresh. John does a pretty good job in his research. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on February 21, 2015, 01:38:54 pm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdHIatS36A I'm sure many of you won't be able to spend the requisite 15 minutes watching this. Keep in mind this was from August, when still pretty fresh. John does a pretty good job in his research. Among other things, that clip certainly answers Guido's question /\ /\. Title: Re: Post by: Breadburner on February 21, 2015, 05:17:35 pm I think your fluid levels need addressed--immediately. He could use a Knobber.....Turkey Mountain......!!!! Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on February 21, 2015, 06:42:22 pm It's like so many other things that have been happening with the 24 hour new cycle, and now instant video, it's reported on more frequently, but the frequency of the events are about the same. Um, no. Annual number of people fatally shot by Oklahoma law enforcement officers has tripled since 2009: http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/state/fatal-police-shootings-in-oklahoma-since-ruled-justified/article_53d7764e-8a4b-5b7f-9561-572bb728f081.html ...and these numbers dont even reflect the huge spike since the 2 NYPD cops were shot. For every one duty-related death of American policemen (including shootings, traffic accidents, suicides), 25 American citizens are killed by police (including shootings, beatings, asphyxiation, Tasering). "More than drugs, more than terrorism," she said. "1100 Americans die each year simply by coming in contact with police." Now the Feds weigh in: Washington (CNN) FBI Director James Comey took on the issue of police and race relations Thursday challenging police to avoid "lazy mental short-cuts" that can lead to bias in the way they treat blacks and other minorities. He blamed problems with bias on "lazy mental short-cuts" that cops sometimes take. "Police officers on patrol in our nation's cities often work in environments where a hugely disproportionate percentage of street crime is committed by young men of color. Something happens to people of good will working in that environment," Comey said. As a result, he said, officers often treat young black men, who may look like others they have locked up, differently from young white men walking down the same street. "We need to come to grips with the fact that this behavior complicates the relationship between police and communities they serve," Comey said. Comey suggested some fixes to the help the relationship. For one, he said, police departments need to report all shootings by officers so the FBI can produce reliable nationwide statistics. He noted that while he can check Amazon.com to see exactly how many copies a book title has sold, "It's ridiculous I can't tell how many people were shot by police." OTOH.... White privilege didn't protect John Geer. 18 months ago John Geer was shot by police while standing at his front door with his hands raised That's not to say he didn't have it. As a middle-class kitchen designer living in the pleasant Washington suburb of Fairfax, Va., he had nothing whatsoever in common with the impoverished black men killed by police in Missouri and Brooklyn last year. Those deaths triggered riots, marches and demonstrations across America, and interventions by the White House. But Geer, pierced 18 months ago by a police bullet as he stood inside the screen door of his own home, his hands raised, begging not to be shot, simply disappeared into the emotional mixing bowl of American news and political priorities. That should not have happened. The killing of John Geer is probably the clearest and most compelling example of what amounts to police impunity in recent American history. He committed no crime the day he was killed. Even the officer who shot him acknowledges that. There was no struggle. The details are not murky. But because no one was marching in the streets on behalf of John Geer, because he was absent from national headlines, the system was able to make his outrageous death go away by the simple expedient of doing nothing and refusing to discuss it. Here are the facts: In August 2013, Geer's common law wife, who was breaking up with him and moving out, called police to report he was angrily throwing her possessions onto his front lawn. Asked whether Geer had weapons, the woman answered yes, but they were legally owned and secured. No, he hadn't been drinking. Two squad cars — four officers — initially responded. Geer, on seeing them, retreated into his home, refusing to answer questions. A few minutes later, Officer Rodney Barnes, a trained police negotiator, arrived, and as the four other policemen stood close behind him with weapons drawn, he began trying to coax John Geer out onto the porch. Barnes would later recall that Geer was polite, but reluctant to leave his home, saying repeatedly he was frightened of being killed. He said "I don't want anybody to get hurt," the negotiator told investigators a few months later. "I don't want to get shot." 'I know I can get shot' Barnes asked Geer if he owned a pistol. Geer said yes, and fetched it. He held it up, holstered, for Barnes to see and set it aside, raising his hands again. He offered to let Barnes come into the house and retrieve the weapon. He asked for permission to scratch his nose, Barnes said, and did it slowly, then raised his hands again. He asked to reach into his pocket for his phone; Barnes asked him not to, and he obeyed. "He said 'I know if I reach down or drop my hands I can get shot," Barnes told detectives later. "I said, hey, nobody's going to shoot you…" But Geer pointed to one nearby officer in particular: Adam Torres, who kept raising his Sig Sauer pistol from the "ready" position (pointed at Geer's legs) to aim at Geer's chest. Please ask him not to point his gun at me, Geer begged Barnes. Geer even offered to come out and be handcuffed voluntarily if Torres and the other patrolmen would agree to move "way back." Then he asked to scratch his nose again. Barnes consented. And Torres fired. Geer, grabbing his wound, screamed in pain and stepped back, slamming his door. "And I'm like, who the f uck shot?" Barnes told detectives later. "I kinda got a little pissed." Torres acknowledged it had been him, and began muttering how he was sorry, and that his wrist was hurting. Then, unbidden, he told Barnes how he'd had a fight over the phone with his wife just before arriving on the scene. Asked by Barnes why he'd fired, Torres said Geer had dropped his hands to his waist suddenly, that he appeared to be going for a weapon. "I said I didn't see that," said Barnes later. "You know, and I never took my eye off him (Geer)." The other three officers who'd been present told investigators the same thing. So did two civilian witnesses. But prosecutors and police commanders and county officials buried the case. Fairfax County's top prosecutor declared a conflict of interest and referred the shooting to federal authorities. The police department stonewalled reporters. Federal investigators did investigate, and have reported to the U.S. attorney in Virginia, who has done nothing. And all this was done under a cloak of secrecy, until, earlier this month, a judge finally ordered disclosure of nearly 11,000 documents, containing interviews with nearly everyone involved. Torres, it turns out, stuck to his story that the other four officers were wrong. Does he regret having shot Geer? "I don't feel sorry for shooting the guy at all." Why did he tell Barnes immediately afterward he was sorry? He was concerned about having upset Barnes by shooting, he said. Why did he talk about his wrist hurting? He doesn't remember. Why did he immediately say he'd just had a fight with his wife? "I don't know why." The judge's disclosure order has created a bizarre situation: Nearly all the available evidence, including audio of the witness statements, is now available on the Fairfax County website. According to those official documents, the shooter — a cop with significant anger issues (he once screamed and cursed at prosecutors in open court) — is contradicted by four fellow officers and two civilian witnesses. That sort of rank-breaking is practically unheard of. And yet there has been no judicial action, and almost no public uproar. Most politicians have remained silent. Those who have marched against police shootings in the past have been largely uninterested. A protest at Fairfax police headquarters drew a couple of dozen people. Only the Washington Post has taken a serious interest in the case. But the killing of John Geer should frighten everyone. It is the best example yet that while police often target minorities disproportionately, their basic and overriding demand is total and unquestioning submission to their authority. Resist, however peacefully and even in your own home, and heaven help you, no matter what your skin color. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/in-fairfax-va-a-different-no-less-scary-police-shooting-1.2960995 (http://i.cbc.ca/1.2960997.1424220147!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/john-geer-hands-up.jpg) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on February 24, 2015, 10:58:17 pm Maybe not. It might all be the same from then to now, it's just with the advent of instant video, instances of brutality are more easily..shall we say...proven, than they were 50 years ago. But I'm guessing that will garner a witty image or something... People watching CNN didnt cause in-custody deaths to skyrocket, nor did cell phones result in Mayberry-sized departments being better equipped than troops in Iraq. I can almost guarantee if 1,100+ Americans a year were dying in Bengazi you would never hear the end of it. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 25, 2015, 09:36:38 am People watching CNN didnt cause in-custody deaths to skyrocket, nor did cell phones result in Mayberry-sized departments being better equipped than troops in Iraq. I can almost guarantee if 1,100+ Americans a year were dying in Bengazi you would never hear the end of it. We never hear the end of 4 dying in Benghazi... and never hear anything about the 32 that died in embassy events under the previous regime!! Lies, distortions, conflation, and just pure outright dishonesty on the behalf of "you-know-who"... The MurdochianWorldPsychoHoseBeast crazy train! And we have been into the celebration of just about every war, battle, conflict, etc that has occurred in this country and we have been involved in around the world. Countless war movies. Holocaust movies. Slavery and racial segregation. But NO Native American movies unless they are centered around - you guessed it - white man's 'revenge' against heathen transgressions. (Except Dances With Wolves - and the Indians really deserved it then, too, didn't they...?) How is it that American cinema industry has never made a movie about the "Trail of Tears"...??? “Build a fire under them. When it gets hot enough, they’ll go.” – Andrew Jackson Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on February 25, 2015, 08:32:26 pm When the public reads or listens to stories that document egregious police abuses, it is rare to encounter any members of the police community who express alarm, or champion reforms, or denounce the bad apples, or articulate why they have a different view than the conventional wisdom.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/02/This-american-life-cops-see-it-differently/385874/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on February 26, 2015, 10:07:20 am And it only took them 9 years to figure this guy out. Now at a cost of over a Million to the City. Hmm, we better take a look at this.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2969901/Denver-police-admit-failed-officer-dozens-unpunished-complaints-soon-cost-city-1M-settlements.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 26, 2015, 11:10:53 am When the public reads or listens to stories that document egregious police abuses, it is rare to encounter any members of the police community who express alarm, or champion reforms, or denounce the bad apples, or articulate why they have a different view than the conventional wisdom. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/02/This-american-life-cops-see-it-differently/385874/ We hear a lot of carp with people bashing Islam, one reason being that "none of the good Muslims" are standing up to denounce the radicals like ISIS, Taliban, Al Qaeda, etc. I just wonder why "good" cops aren't standing up to denounce the radicals that are giving cops a bad name by just this kind of stuff?? Does that actually mean there are no good cops?? I don't believe that, but it is suspicious in exactly the same way. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on February 26, 2015, 12:30:44 pm I see a Tulsa police cruiser parked down the street from my brother every day I'm over there. My brother lives in Broken Arrow. And not BA close to Tulsa city limits either, he lives in the middle of BA. I thought TPD changed policy on this some years ago... The "police cars parked in neighborhoods make them safer" argument has been flatline for some time now: OWASSO, Oklahoma - Police said vandals targeted officer patrol units and private vehicles in Owasso. They said whoever did it, didn't try hard to fly under the radar. Police said the vandals most likely did their damage in broad daylight, between 2:00 and 4:00 Tuesday afternoon. They hit cars in a lot right behind the police station and also a city neighborhood full of families. Deputy Chief Jason Woodruff said the vandals damaged more than ten Owasso patrol units and the officers' personal vehicles Tuesday. "It is concerning when you have someone that appears to intentionally be targeting police officers," he said. The Owasso officer who had his patrol car vandalized was off duty and had it parked outside his home. He said he doesn't feel he was intentionally targeted and neither does the police department. "We don't have anything at this point that these officers were targeted because of who they were. It is more likely just because their cars were sitting there," Woodruff said. Police are leaning towards teenagers because of the time of day and since they used eggs to damage some of the vehicles. http://www.newson6.com/story/28204856/owasso-police-suspect-teens-responsible-for-patrol-car-vandalism Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on February 27, 2015, 07:46:22 pm And it only took them 9 years to figure this guy out. Now at a cost of over a Million to the City. Hmm, we better take a look at this. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2969901/Denver-police-admit-failed-officer-dozens-unpunished-complaints-soon-cost-city-1M-settlements.html Thats chicken feed: The family of slain Bronx teen Ramarley Graham agreed Friday to accept $3.9 million from New York City to settle their wrongful death lawsuit, the Daily News reports. “This was a tragic case,” City Law Department spokesman Nick Paolucci told the News. “After evaluating all the facts, and consulting with key stakeholders such as the NYPD, it was determined that settling the matter was in the best interest of the City.” NYPD Officer Richard Haste, who fired the fatal shot after chasing Graham, 18, from the street into his home, was initially indicted by a Bronx grand jury on a charge of manslaughter, but a judge threw out the case on a legal technicality, the News writes. A second grand jury declined to indict the officer, who said he fired because he thought the teen had a gun. ...but in NY, its all automatic anyway: New York City agrees to $25.75M in settlements before any lawsuit filed http://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/scott-stringer-nyc-comptroller-agrees-to-25-75m-in-settlements-before-any-lawsuit-filed-1.9964328 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on March 01, 2015, 11:48:43 pm Graphic, and NSFW language:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1009126519115252 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Breadburner on March 02, 2015, 07:54:08 am Thats what happens when you grab the cops gun......
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on March 02, 2015, 09:16:19 am A Black man yelling at a Black Officer. That he's a "Sell Out" for shooting another Black man. No racism there. ::)
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 02, 2015, 09:32:58 am Thats what happens when you grab the cops gun...... Right...since all four of them still had their guns shooting at him... Guess we will have to wait to see what Internal Affairs says is the real cause of the shooting. No matter what, it's just a shame all around. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Breadburner on March 02, 2015, 12:28:55 pm Right...since all four of them still had their guns shooting at him... Guess we will have to wait to see what Internal Affairs says is the real cause of the shooting. No matter what, it's just a shame all around. You are truly stupid..... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 02, 2015, 01:37:24 pm You are truly stupid..... Catchy comeback...the sign of truly impressive intellect. As if the first knee jerk reaction comment prompting the response was not massively more stupid. But wouldn't expect anything more... Thats what happens when you grab the cops gun...... With no clear input. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on March 02, 2015, 10:45:24 pm Thats what happens when you grab the cops gun...... Indeed the media and the investigation will likely focus on whether Africa was reaching for an officer's gun when he got killed. This is the wrong question. Instead, we need to look at why the officers decided to begin the encounter by aggressively charging into the victim's tent, dragging him out, and demanding compliance. Africa was unarmed, homeless, African-American, and disabled. When these factors intersect in a single individual, as we've recently seen with high-profile case like the deaths of Eric Garner and Kajieme Powell, encounters with police too often escalate out of control. For example, Ferguson, Missouri, officer Darren Wilson said he based his decision to use deadly force against Michael Brown on the claim that Brown grabbed for Wilson's gun. The LAPD blamed Ezell Ford, another unarmed mentally ill black man shot by police, for attempting "to remove the officer's handgun from its holster." Two New Jersey officers shouted, "Stop trying to take my gun" for the benefit of the camera, even though a later video revealed the victim was doing no such thing. http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/02/opinion/perry-lapd-police-shooting/ Yelling "Gun!" is an old tactic to corrupt the memory of witnesses and enable an escalation of force, sort of like repeatedly shouting "Stop Resisting!" while beating someone up. Los Angeles (CNN)The bystander who caught dramatic video of a fatal shooting by police in Los Angeles said Monday he didn't see the man reach for an officer's gun -- the explanation for the shooting given by police. http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/02/us/los-angeles-police-shooting/index.html The "I was afraid he was reaching for my gun" justification police are hoping to use hasnt been supported by any video or witnesses. http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-lapd-shooting-20150302-story.html [youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHIFsH_3NfE[/youtube] Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on March 03, 2015, 10:41:58 am This is the wrong question. Instead, we need to look at why the officers decided to begin the encounter by aggressively charging into the victim's tent, dragging him out, and demanding compliance. They charged into his tent and dragged him out because someone called 911 and said he was robbing someone. Then he tried to hide in a tent. Officers responded to a 911 call about a potential robbery Sunday afternoon near the Union Rescue Mission on Los Angeles’s Skid Row, a homeless community lined with tents and grocery carts. Security footage from the homeless shelter was described by the Associated Press, reportedly showing the suspect push over another person’s tent and then engage in an argument. When police arrived, the suspect jumped inside his tent. Officers “appeared to pull it up and over him in an attempt to roust him from inside,” the news agency reported, and then he reportedly started his struggle with police. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on March 03, 2015, 11:26:18 am They charged into his tent and dragged him out because someone called 911 and said he was robbing someone. Then he tried to hide in a tent. Officers responded to a 911 call about a potential robbery Sunday afternoon near the Union Rescue Mission on Los Angeles’s Skid Row, a homeless community lined with tents and grocery carts. Security footage from the homeless shelter was described by the Associated Press, reportedly showing the suspect push over another person’s tent and then engage in an argument. When police arrived, the suspect jumped inside his tent. Officers “appeared to pull it up and over him in an attempt to roust him from inside,” the news agency reported, and then he reportedly started his struggle with police. Ceola Wadell was about 20 feet away from Africa's tent, when he said he saw a police car approach the man's home and then an officer "shake it like a rag doll." When Africa stepped out of the tent, police told him to get down, Waddell said. That's when one of the officers fired his Taser at the homeless man. But “Africa” did not stay down, Wadell said on Monday. Jose Gil, 38, said he saw Africa swinging at the police before one of the officers started shouting that the man was going for his gun. http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-lapd-shooting-20150302-story.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on March 04, 2015, 08:39:49 pm Exactly. After they tase you is not the time to argue. That is when you find a good attorney. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: AquaMan on March 05, 2015, 09:27:46 am Perspective please. He lives in a temporary tent with a likely full time substance abuse problem and a bad attitude. Its a mental illness. He doesn't have a good attorney on speed dial. Likely doesn't have a cell that even works. Nonetheless, he and others like him, should be afforded the same respect and protections any other citizen enjoys. Or are we using them as experiments in who and how we take rights from?
Police don't like these people and don't tolerate much from them. I understand their reasons. However, authority is best used as a shield, not as a weapon. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 05, 2015, 11:46:28 am Perspective please. He lives in a temporary tent with a likely full time substance abuse problem and a bad attitude. Its a mental illness. He doesn't have a good attorney on speed dial. Likely doesn't have a cell that even works. Nonetheless, he and others like him, should be afforded the same respect and protections any other citizen enjoys. Or are we using them as experiments in who and how we take rights from? Police don't like these people and don't tolerate much from them. I understand their reasons. However, authority is best used as a shield, not as a weapon. Experiments. Practice for when Koch Industries becomes the government... oh, wait... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on March 05, 2015, 03:01:25 pm He had robbed a bank and had prior experience with the system.... "Sometimes what gets lost in here is there was a victim — who had to be treated by an ambulance — that called police to this location," Beck said. "These officers weren't enforcing tenting laws, they weren't enforcing so-called broken windows.… They were responding to a request for help." Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on March 05, 2015, 06:55:24 pm He had robbed a bank and had prior experience with the system.... "Sometimes what gets lost in here is there was a victim — who had to be treated by an ambulance — that called police to this location," Beck said. "These officers weren't enforcing tenting laws, they weren't enforcing so-called broken windows.… They were responding to a request for help." No, they weren't responding to a bank robbery. He did serve time for one 15 years ago, though. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on March 06, 2015, 02:51:38 pm Two separate statements. 1. He was a prior convicted felon. 2. Someone, who had to be treated by ambulance, called for help and the police were responding. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on March 06, 2015, 10:44:17 pm Exactly. After they tase you is not the time to argue. That is when you find a good attorney. Lets see how well that works: OKLAHOMA CITY – An Oklahoma City man is dead after being pepper sprayed and tased by police. “He broke all the glass and started fighting the cabinet,” said family friend Leeann Mize who witnessed the incident. “I wish I never called the police,” said Temple. When officers arrived, they found the suspect, Darrell Gatewood, unconscious on some broken glass on the floor of the apartment. Witnesses say that’s when police dragged the suspect outside into a puddle of water. “They kept saying you’re resisting and fighting. So they kept pulling the trigger on the taser over and over again,” said Mize. “They kept tasing him until his heart blew out.” OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) -- A woman confronted by police outside a homeless shelter is the latest example of someone who died after being shocked with a Taser. But in Milisha Thompson's case, she was already on the ground and in handcuffs. Her death has raised questions about whether police are abusing the stun guns by using them as a convenient labor-saving device to control uncooperative people. Police claim Thompson continued to be combative, so officers used the Taser. She was on the ground when an officer tried five times to shock her, stunning her twice in the neck, Citty said. Her husband, Marvell Thompson, disputes the police report and contends his wife was shocked 20 times. "They did use excessive force on my wife," he said According to a new report by Amnesty International, the Oklahoma City Police Department is responsible for more Taser-related deaths than any other law enforcement agency in the U.S. http://thislandpress.com/roundups/okc-is-taser-death-capital-of-the-us/ Ferguson police are quick to use force—in one case, an officer detained a black resident, refused to articulate any criminal suspicion, and used a stun gun on him for 20 continuous seconds when he wouldn’t submit to a frisk Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on March 07, 2015, 06:23:03 pm I can almost guarantee if 1,100+ Americans a year were dying in Bengazi you would never hear the end of it. As of Feb. 17, police in this country have killed 190 citizens since January 1, 2015 – about three people per day. Only one on-duty cop has been intentionally killed by a citizen this year, a Fulton County Sheriff’s Detective. We are well on our way to breaking last years record of 1,101. http://killedbypolice.net Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on March 12, 2015, 09:20:22 am Once again. Denver Police are in the spotlight. Why would this Officer do this when he knows all the cells have video cameras? I think we know the answer.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2991321/Police-officer-fired-caught-CCTV-forcing-knee-against-female-suspect-s-neck.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on March 12, 2015, 09:57:53 am At least he was fired. Is he open for civil litigation? Hopefully his cohorts will learn from his actions (something like not using excessive force, not the more obvious turn off the cameras.) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: tgra on March 14, 2015, 01:09:05 pm Yeah you have the right to video tape your interactions with the police. They will get mad though & will threaten you.
??? (http://www.amazon.com/?_encoding=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&linkCode=ur2&tag=debcuseff-20&linkId=U3SQ7UDWP3MWPAOV) ??? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 16, 2015, 09:28:41 am According to a new report by Amnesty International, the Oklahoma City Police Department is responsible for more Taser-related deaths than any other law enforcement agency in the U.S. http://thislandpress.com/roundups/okc-is-taser-death-capital-of-the-us/ Another reason to not like OKC.... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on March 17, 2015, 12:36:50 pm The 18 minute uncut version of this is great. They should release all Cop shooting videos like this. Heck, Why not a new Television show "Cops Uncensored"
I'm sure several people will call this shooting justified. Cause we all know how lethal a screwdriver in the hands of a mentally ill black man can be. Especially if there are two of you and your white, on his front porch, with his mother there, in broad daylight. That can be very scary. But at all times. Be aware and mention that you are wearing a body camera. So be careful what you say or do naturally. Cause you know how you don't like cameras or being accountable for your actions. ::) http://gawker.com/body-cam-films-cops-gunning-down-mentally-ill-man-holdi-1691916719 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on March 17, 2015, 01:20:29 pm Wow. I don't even know what you say to that.... I know that they teach the whole 21 foot thing, but you might think they would consider something else as it was only a screwdriver. It doesn't take that blue wall long to go up and call for union reps and buddies does it. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: guido911 on March 18, 2015, 07:03:20 pm As of Feb. 17, police in this country have killed 190 citizens since January 1, 2015 – about three people per day. Only one on-duty cop has been intentionally killed by a citizen this year, a Fulton County Sheriff’s Detective. We are well on our way to breaking last years record of 1,101. http://killedbypolice.net http://truegif.com/1543 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on March 19, 2015, 08:18:38 am http://truegif.com/1543 And that just gives credit to their training skills of paranoia. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: guido911 on March 19, 2015, 09:59:06 pm And that just gives credit to their training skills of had to fix that. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on March 21, 2015, 04:47:42 pm FBI agent Matthew Lowry checked out Item 1B4 from the evidence room at the bureau’s Washington field office on an August morning in 2013. He wrote “to lab” on a log sheet to explain why he was taking drugs that had been seized in an undercover operation dubbed Midnight Hustle.
But it was nearly a year later when he delivered the drug package to the lab. For 10 months, court records show, the heroin had gone unaccounted for and unmissed. When the package made it back to the FBI office in September, it weighed 1.1 grams more than when it had been seized. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/fbi-files-tell-how-addicted-agent-was-able-to-get-the-drugs/2015/01/15/a8206bf6-8203-11e4-81fd-8c4814dfa9d7_story.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on March 23, 2015, 10:00:48 am FBI agent Matthew Lowry checked out Item 1B4 from the evidence room at the bureau’s Washington field office on an August morning in 2013. He wrote “to lab” on a log sheet to explain why he was taking drugs that had been seized in an undercover operation dubbed Midnight Hustle. But it was nearly a year later when he delivered the drug package to the lab. For 10 months, court records show, the heroin had gone unaccounted for and unmissed. When the package made it back to the FBI office in September, it weighed 1.1 grams more than when it had been seized. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/fbi-files-tell-how-addicted-agent-was-able-to-get-the-drugs/2015/01/15/a8206bf6-8203-11e4-81fd-8c4814dfa9d7_story.html Wow. He needs to get some triple beams. Those digital scales aren't worth a shite. ;D Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on March 23, 2015, 09:51:51 pm PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Poor training has left Philadelphia police with the mistaken belief that fearing for their lives alone justifies using deadly force, the Justice Department said Monday in a review of the city's nearly 400 officer-involved shootings since 2007. The review found Philadelphia's investigations into officer-involved shootings lacked consistency, and an internal affairs shooting team that waits months until after the district attorney clears an officer before interviewing him or her. Officers interviewed for the assessment consistently mentioned fear for their lives as sufficient justification for using deadly force. That notion, running counter to Philadelphia police policy, which does not include the word "fear," and court rulings that require an "objectively reasonable belief" that lives are at immediate risk, appeared to stem from the department's lack of regular, consistent training on its deadly force policy, the assessment found. The problem with “in fear for my life” statements The report dives into a common misconception that it seems many police have internalized: the belief that fear of life justifies the use of deadly force. From the findings: The dictum “in fear for my life” was the most common theme throughout all of our conversations with PPD officers and sergeants regarding deadly force policy. Yet, notably, the word “fear” does not appear in PPD’s [use of deadly force policy] nor is it supported by current case law. As noted in the Ninth Circuit’s decision in Deorle v. Rutherford, a simple statement that an officer is in fear for his life is not an objective factor. Officers receive firearms training annually, the report notes. But that training is not in line with the department’s actual policies: According to PPD’s [use of deadly force policy], justification for use of deadly force is far more restrictive than “fear for my life.” An officer must have a set of facts and circumstances that a reasonable or rational officer would determine would likely result in unavoidable death or serious injury in order to justify the use of deadly force. Although PPD officers are briefed on use of force law and policy annually through a portion of firearms training, neither of these courses covers PPD policy in depth. http://fusion.net/story/108190/the-new-doj-report-on-philadelphia-police-shootings-is-mandatory-reading In Tulsa, an “in fear for my life” statement by police is an automatic "get out of jail free" card with the D.A. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 23, 2015, 10:23:35 pm In Tulsa, an “in fear for my life” statement by police is an automatic "get out of jail free" card with the D.A. Tulsa DA office has an assortment of people with an automatic "get out of jail free" card. 'Good buddies' - part of the sense of entitlement people....Because they ARE more special than the rest of us!! Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on March 24, 2015, 09:48:25 pm HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A Pennsylvania police officer was charged Tuesday with criminal homicide after investigators concluded she shot an unarmed motorist in the back as he lay facedown after a traffic stop over an expired inspection sticker. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/24/lisa-j-mearkle-charged_n_6934540.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: tulsa_fan on March 26, 2015, 08:41:11 am PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Poor training has left Philadelphia police with the mistaken belief that fearing for their lives alone justifies using deadly force, the Justice Department said Monday in a review of the city's nearly 400 officer-involved shootings since 2007. The review found Philadelphia's investigations into officer-involved shootings lacked consistency, and an internal affairs shooting team that waits months until after the district attorney clears an officer before interviewing him or her. Officers interviewed for the assessment consistently mentioned fear for their lives as sufficient justification for using deadly force. That notion, running counter to Philadelphia police policy, which does not include the word "fear," and court rulings that require an "objectively reasonable belief" that lives are at immediate risk, appeared to stem from the department's lack of regular, consistent training on its deadly force policy, the assessment found. The problem with “in fear for my life” statements The report dives into a common misconception that it seems many police have internalized: the belief that fear of life justifies the use of deadly force. From the findings: The dictum “in fear for my life” was the most common theme throughout all of our conversations with PPD officers and sergeants regarding deadly force policy. Yet, notably, the word “fear” does not appear in PPD’s [use of deadly force policy] nor is it supported by current case law. As noted in the Ninth Circuit’s decision in Deorle v. Rutherford, a simple statement that an officer is in fear for his life is not an objective factor. Officers receive firearms training annually, the report notes. But that training is not in line with the department’s actual policies: According to PPD’s [use of deadly force policy], justification for use of deadly force is far more restrictive than “fear for my life.” An officer must have a set of facts and circumstances that a reasonable or rational officer would determine would likely result in unavoidable death or serious injury in order to justify the use of deadly force. Although PPD officers are briefed on use of force law and policy annually through a portion of firearms training, neither of these courses covers PPD policy in depth. http://fusion.net/story/108190/the-new-doj-report-on-philadelphia-police-shootings-is-mandatory-reading In Tulsa, an “in fear for my life” statement by police is an automatic "get out of jail free" card with the D.A. It's just a matter of semantics. Fear for one's life (or another's) is justification for use of deadly force. There are court cases that confirm this over and over again. The litmus tool is would a reasonable person in the same situation believe life was in jeopardy. Someone is holding a gun at me, the only people who wouldn't think it's reasonable I am in fear of my life are dead ones. It shouldn't, but sometimes silly me, I'm amazed that people believe an officer has to be actually injured or shot at before they should have the ability to return fire. Since you seems to have such a good grasp on how policing should work have you applied? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: AquaMan on March 26, 2015, 09:47:33 am Have you?
Or do you have a law degree? Or are you an expert witness in "fear for life" cases. Organizational training is failing us in many areas right now because politics, greed and bumper sticker mentalities are exerting undue influence. Its real obvious that policing forces are having to re-examine their courses and make changes. To ignore these widespread cases of abuse is just a waste of opportunity. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on March 26, 2015, 11:53:27 am Oops. Those pesky dash cams. You can't be arresting black people if your Mexican or White. The video just don't make you look to good.
http://news.yahoo.com/video-shows-motorist-pulled-car-beaten-cop-164614163.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: swake on March 26, 2015, 11:55:53 am Oops. Those pesky dash cams. You can't be arresting black people if your Mexican or White. The video just don't make you look to good. http://news.yahoo.com/video-shows-motorist-pulled-car-beaten-cop-164614163.html Why are cops getting so much more violent when crime rates are at the lowest level in decades? Are they bored? I'm just about done with giving cops the benefit of the doubt in violent situations anymore. Cameras don't lie. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: AquaMan on March 26, 2015, 03:43:03 pm Maybe its already covered here, but the guy being handcuffed across from his university dorm by two cops who had him down with a knee in his back. He kept telling them "I'm a UV student!" It was obvious he was easily subdued but the officer kept saying, "Why are you resisting? Stop resisting!" For the camera no doubt.
It would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic. He was arrested for uttering a profanity iirc. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on March 26, 2015, 08:55:10 pm Why are cops getting so much more violent when crime rates are at the lowest level in decades? Are they bored? I'm just about done with giving cops the benefit of the doubt in violent situations anymore. After 9/11 we said "do whatever to keep us safe." Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Jammie on March 28, 2015, 06:48:42 am Why are cops getting so much more violent when crime rates are at the lowest level in decades? Are they bored? I'm just about done with giving cops the benefit of the doubt in violent situations anymore. Cameras don't lie. I'm with you on that one! There are some in authority that you swear went into the profession so they could legally bully, harass, and abuse others. My thoughts are there were always a lot of crooked cops who tortured others and it's first now coming out in the open. Years ago there were no cell phones or camera-carrying people and juries and judges and all of us nearly always believed the cops over citizens, especially citizens who were a minority. Sad to now learn that the people we were taught to look up to and respect are the same as everyone else. Many good ones, but plenty of bad ones, too. I don't care if it's cops or preachers, they've all got their bad ones in the bunch. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on March 28, 2015, 04:34:21 pm Sad to now learn that the people we were taught to look up to and respect are the same as everyone else. Many good ones, but plenty of bad ones, too. Its just that when the bad ones are the top, the good ones have no where to go. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on March 28, 2015, 05:10:41 pm Oops. Those pesky dash cams. You can't be arresting black people if your Mexican or White. The video just don't make you look to good. http://news.yahoo.com/video-shows-motorist-pulled-car-beaten-cop-164614163.html Six dashcams, yet no audio from any. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/25/violent-arrest-floyd-dent_n_6941714.html [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCaxov73ckQ[/youtube] Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on March 28, 2015, 05:15:34 pm Henderson [Nevada] police arrested a family for refusing to let officers use their homes as lookouts for a domestic violence investigation of their neighbors, the family claims in court.
Anthony Mitchell and his parents Michael and Linda Mitchell sued the City of Henderson, its Police Chief Jutta Chambers, Officers Garret Poiner, Ronald Feola, Ramona Walls, Angela Walker, and Christopher Worley, and City of North Las Vegas and its Police Chief Joseph Chronister, in Federal Court…. “On the morning of July 10th, 2011, officers from the Henderson Police Department responded to a domestic violence call at a neighbor’s residence,” the Mitchells say in the complaint. It continues: “At 10:45 a.m. defendant Officer Christopher Worley (HPD) contacted plaintiff Anthony Mitchell via his telephone. Worley told plaintiff that police needed to occupy his home in order to gain a ‘tactical advantage’ against the occupant of the neighboring house. Anthony Mitchell told the officer that he did not want to become involved and that he did not want police to enter his residence. Although Worley continued to insist that plaintiff should leave his residence, plaintiff clearly explained that he did not intend to leave his home or to allow police to occupy his home. Worley then ended the phone call. Mitchell claims that defendant officers, including Cawthorn and Worley and Sgt. Michael Waller then “conspired among themselves to force Anthony Mitchell out of his residence and to occupy his home for their own use.” The complaint continues: “Defendant Officer David Cawthorn outlined the defendants’ plan in his official report: ‘It was determined to move to 367 Evening Side and attempt to contact Mitchell. If Mitchell answered the door he would be asked to leave. If he refused to leave he would be arrested for Obstructing a Police Officer. If Mitchell refused to answer the door, force entry would be made and Mitchell would be arrested.'” It continues: “The officers banged forcefully on the door and loudly commanded Anthony Mitchell to open the door to his residence. “Surprised and perturbed, plaintiff Anthony Mitchell immediately called his mother (plaintiff Linda Mitchell) on the phone, exclaiming to her that the police were beating on his front door. “Seconds later, officers, including Officer Rockwell, smashed open plaintiff Anthony Mitchell’s front door with a metal ram as plaintiff stood in his living room. “As plaintiff Anthony Mitchell stood in shock, the officers aimed their weapons at Anthony Mitchell and shouted obscenities at him and ordered him to lie down on the floor…. “Although plaintiff Anthony Mitchell was lying motionless on the ground and posed no threat, officers, including Officer David Cawthorn, then fired multiple ‘pepperball’ rounds at plaintiff as he lay defenseless on the floor of his living room. Anthony Mitchell was struck at least three times by shots fired from close range, injuring him and causing him severe pain….” Officers then arrested him for obstructing a police officer, searched the house and moved furniture without his permission and set up a place in his home for a lookout, Mitchell says in the complaint. He says they also hurt his pet dog for no reason whatsoever: “Plaintiff Anthony Mitchell’s pet, a female dog named ‘Sam,’ was cowering in the corner when officers smashed through the front door. Although the terrified animal posed no threat to officers, they gratuitously shot it with one or more pepperball rounds. The panicked animal howled in fear and pain and fled from the residence. Sam was subsequently left trapped outside in a fenced alcove without access to water, food, or shelter from the sun for much of the day, while temperatures outside soared to over 100 degrees Fahrenheit.” The most obvious obstacle to winning a Third Amendment claim here is that police arguably do not qualify as “soldiers.” On the other hand, as Radley Balko describes in his excellent new book 'The Rise of the Warrior Cop', many police departments are increasingly using military-style tactics and equipment, often including the aggressive use of force against innocent people who get in the way of their plans. This appears to be an example of that trend. In jurisdictions where the police have become increasingly militarized, perhaps the courts should treat them as “soldiers” for Third Amendment purposes. http://volokh.com/2013/07/04/a-real-live-third-amendment-case/ http://www.scribd.com/doc/151769636/Mitchell-v-City-of-Henderson-et-al-Complaint Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on March 28, 2015, 09:13:00 pm I'm with you on that one! There are some in authority that you swear went into the profession so they could legally bully, harass, and abuse others. My thoughts are there were always a lot of crooked cops who tortured others and it's first now coming out in the open. Years ago there were no cell phones or camera-carrying people and juries and judges and all of us nearly always believed the cops over citizens, especially citizens who were a minority. Sad to now learn that the people we were taught to look up to and respect are the same as everyone else. Many good ones, but plenty of bad ones, too. I don't care if it's cops or preachers, they've all got their bad ones in the bunch. Deputy police chief arrested on drug charges http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fresno-drug-charge-arrests-20150326-story.html http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/03/27/403581/US-police-chief-busted-on-drug-charges Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Jammie on March 29, 2015, 07:49:54 am Why are they always put on paid administrative leave? How many jobs are there where someone who gets caught selling drugs gets a paid vacation from their employer? If it would happen that the officer is found not guilty, they could always give him back pay rather then rewarding him with a vacation for being a criminal, couldn't they?
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on March 29, 2015, 10:00:28 am Why are they always put on paid administrative leave? How many jobs are there where someone who gets caught selling drugs gets a paid vacation from their employer? If it would happen that the officer is found not guilty, they could always give him back pay rather then rewarding him with a vacation for being a criminal, couldn't they? Because you have cops like the one in Owasso that wants back overtime. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: AquaMan on March 29, 2015, 10:28:46 am Because they have the same protections the rest of us have, Jammie. They are innocent until proven guilty even when the evidence is overwhelming that they are guilty. Therefore, their employer (the taxpayer), must put them on leave until the charges are proven lest they sue us if they are found not guilty.
Its pragmatism over emotion. Meanwhile, I wonder just how effective drug testing is in law enforcement. I have heard that one nearby town recently called for an impromptu drug testing and none of its officers showed up. Apparently, they didn't feel they could pass. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on March 29, 2015, 03:57:54 pm Because they have the same protections the rest of us have, Jammie. They are innocent until proven guilty even when the evidence is overwhelming that they are guilty. Therefore, their employer (the taxpayer), must put them on leave until the charges are proven lest they sue us if they are found not guilty. Its pragmatism over emotion. Meanwhile, I wonder just how effective drug testing is in law enforcement. I have heard that one nearby town recently called for an impromptu drug testing and none of its officers showed up. Apparently, they didn't feel they could pass. How long would it take for your employer to fire you if they caught you dealing narcotics? Would they wait for a conviction? Due process should apply to everyone equally, all the time. In the real world, however, there are double standards. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on March 29, 2015, 06:07:34 pm How long would it take for your employer to fire you if they caught you dealing narcotics? Would they wait for a conviction? Due process should apply to everyone equally, all the time. In the real world, however, there are double standards. Everyone has the same protections, you just don't have a police union negotiating on your side.... I bet most unions have some sort of protections. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: tgra on March 29, 2015, 06:12:33 pm I've had some really bad dealings with Tulsa cops. But then there's been some that've been really great. I think it's like any job where someone has authority, there's some bad apples & there's good ones. But it's possible too that people that crave that kind of dominance & aggression might seek out positions of authority.
:-\ (http://www.amazon.com/?_encoding=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&linkCode=ur2&tag=debcuseff-20&linkId=Z5SVMTSHHC4FARLG) :-[ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on March 30, 2015, 09:43:34 pm I've had some really bad dealings with Tulsa cops. But then there's been some that've been really great. I think it's like any job where someone has authority, there's some bad apples & there's good ones. But it's possible too that people that crave that kind of dominance & aggression might seek out positions of authority. The "bad apple" analogy tends to be used when departments need to sacrafice a poor player that got caught. For every one JJ Gray or Jimmie Dean Stohler, there are countless more who just havent seen the light of a cellphone camera. Can you have a whole department that is bad? The top cops think so, and Tulsa is more like Ferguson than we care to acknowledge. No city in America better illustrates government run amok than Ferguson, Missouri. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/the-conservative-ambivalence-about-abuses-in-ferguson-department-of-justice-michael-brown/387196/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 02, 2015, 06:48:14 am And this older Cop should have known better. I'm sure this isn't the first offense of his rage of power. Another video justice for the innocent people these out of control badge bullies assault.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3022375/NYPD-detective-caught-spouting-racist-rant-Uber-driver-stripped-badge-gun-tossed-terrorism-division.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 02, 2015, 05:02:52 pm And this older Cop should have known better. I'm sure this isn't the first offense of his rage of power. Another video justice for the innocent people these out of control badge bullies assault. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3022375/NYPD-detective-caught-spouting-racist-rant-Uber-driver-stripped-badge-gun-tossed-terrorism-division.html They took him off their Terrorism squad for a couple of weeks and will make him take a sensitivity powerpoint. In our neck of the woods, a Tulsa reserve deputy shot and killed a fleeing man this morning. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 03, 2015, 07:10:11 pm A 73-year-old reserve deputy who shot and killed a fleeing suspect Thursday during an undercover operation believed he was holding a Taser, not a gun, when the shooting occurred. The reserve deputy who shot the man is Robert Charles Bates, a Tulsa insurance company executive who was working undercover Thursday as a member of the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office Violent Crimes Task Force. Bates, who owns an insurance company, served as chairman of the Re-elect Sheriff (Stanley) Glanz Committee in 2012 and donated $2,500 to Glanz’s campaign that year. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/reserve-deputy-who-shot-killed-man-thought-he-drew-his/article_67394595-5b09-59d1-a791-ae543e4cfcd1.html Flashback............ OAKLAND -- The firing of the lead BART officer the night Oscar Grant III was shot and killed at the Fruitvale Station has been upheld by an arbitrator's ruling, a BART spokeswoman confirmed Tuesday. BART fired former Officer Anthony Pirone, 42, in May 2010 following the investigation into the 22-year-old Hayward's man death at the hands of former Officer Johannes Mesherle, who testified at criminal and civil trials that he mistook his gun for a Taser when he fatally shot Grant in the back on New Year's Day 2009. The shooting caught on video several times over led to Mehserle being charged with murder and convicted of involuntary manslaughter. Many blamed Pirone -- the first officer on the scene -- for escalating the tensions between officers and spectators before the shooting. Video of the incident showed Pirone acting aggressively, grabbing one of Grant's friends by the hair, shoving and punching Grant, and hurling racial epithets. Pirone's partner that night, Officer Marysol Domenici, was also fired, over for allegedly lying to investigators who probed Grant's death, but she later won her job back with back pay when an arbitrator ruled. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 04, 2015, 09:03:58 am What the He!! is a 73 year old man doing going undercover with the Sheriff's Department?
Sounds like a ride along perk from that 25 Hundo he gave his buddy Stan. ::) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 04, 2015, 10:49:55 am "His intentions were to be courteous and they got into an argument" Bullshite! Not only is he a Badge Bully. He's a liar too. The man never argued with this hothead A-hole but he goes on local Television and apologies and tries to put it back on the Uber driver. There was no we in that argument. He got caught and now he's trying to save face with the public. I hope he gets a little NY style kindness when he's recognized out and about. The same kind he gives.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3025042/I-let-emotions-better-Cop-apologizes-screaming-Uber-driver.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Hoss on April 04, 2015, 10:57:47 am "His intentions were to be courteous and they got into an argument" Bullshite! Not only is he a Badge Bully. He's a liar too. The man never argued with this hothead A-hole but he goes on local Television and apologies and tries to put it back on the Uber driver. There was no we in that argument. He got caught and now he's trying to save face with the public. I hope he gets a little NY style kindness when he's recognized out and about. The same kind he gives. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3025042/I-let-emotions-better-Cop-apologizes-screaming-Uber-driver.html Watch out DB, certain members of this forum *might* equate you to Patric should you call out LEO like that. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 04, 2015, 11:54:58 am Watch out DB, certain members of this forum *might* equate you to Patric should you call out LEO like that. Now Hoss, you're better than that. The tweaker that laid into the cab driver got the critical attention he deserved. "No good cop can watch that without a wince," Police Commissioner Bill Bratton said Wednesday of the video. "All good cops know that the officer just made their jobs a little bit harder." Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Hoss on April 04, 2015, 12:11:27 pm Now Hoss, you're better than that. The tweaker that laid into the cab driver got the critical attention he deserved. "No good cop can watch that without a wince," Police Commissioner Bill Bratton said Wednesday of the video. "All good cops know that the officer just made their jobs a little bit harder." Wasn't a slight on you..just sayin'... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Breadburner on April 04, 2015, 12:12:00 pm A 73-year-old reserve deputy who shot and killed a fleeing suspect Thursday during an undercover operation believed he was holding a Taser, not a gun, when the shooting occurred. The reserve deputy who shot the man is Robert Charles Bates, a Tulsa insurance company executive who was working undercover Thursday as a member of the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office Violent Crimes Task Force. Bates, who owns an insurance company, served as chairman of the Re-elect Sheriff (Stanley) Glanz Committee in 2012 and donated $2,500 to Glanz’s campaign that year. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/reserve-deputy-who-shot-killed-man-thought-he-drew-his/article_67394595-5b09-59d1-a791-ae543e4cfcd1.html Flashback............ OAKLAND -- The firing of the lead BART officer the night Oscar Grant III was shot and killed at the Fruitvale Station has been upheld by an arbitrator's ruling, a BART spokeswoman confirmed Tuesday. BART fired former Officer Anthony Pirone, 42, in May 2010 following the investigation into the 22-year-old Hayward's man death at the hands of former Officer Johannes Mesherle, who testified at criminal and civil trials that he mistook his gun for a Taser when he fatally shot Grant in the back on New Year's Day 2009. The shooting caught on video several times over led to Mehserle being charged with murder and convicted of involuntary manslaughter. Many blamed Pirone -- the first officer on the scene -- for escalating the tensions between officers and spectators before the shooting. Video of the incident showed Pirone acting aggressively, grabbing one of Grant's friends by the hair, shoving and punching Grant, and hurling racial epithets. Pirone's partner that night, Officer Marysol Domenici, was also fired, over for allegedly lying to investigators who probed Grant's death, but she later won her job back with back pay when an arbitrator ruled. Whoopsie.....!!! Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 04, 2015, 12:32:27 pm Watch out DB, certain members of this forum *might* equate you to Patric should you call out LEO like that. It's all good. His actions just remind me of someone I know and despise. Power trip guys like him have gotten away with that kind of behavior all these years and even when caught or confronted about it. Still lie and deny. Saying your sorry and meaning it just seems impossible to personalities like his. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on April 05, 2015, 12:37:35 pm Trying to break this down to bare facts:
A (retired?) insurance agent donates the max amount of money to the Sheriff's re-election campaign. He is appointed as the campaign adviser to the campaign. When the Sheriff is re-elected the man is named a reserve deputy. The Sheriff then sends said man out on a firearms related "sting" operation with a gun and a Taser. Shockingly, the suspect doesn't want to be arrested for a firearms violation and attempts to flee. There is no attempt by the suspect to threaten or harm the officer. The officer than reaches for his weapon and fires at the suspect, killing him. The shooter later states that he confused his Taser and his firearm. - - - If this is true, there are many things wrong with it. Ending with the fact that by policy the Taser should be a distinct drawing motion from the firearm such that these things do not happen. Also, the Taser usually has a separate and distinct safety mechanism that many LEO firearms do not (Glocks, for example). Unfortunately, taken as true this is an instance in which a County Sheriff negligently killed a citizen. While it appears that the citizen that was killed was a bad person, the officer did not make an informed decision to execute him. The officer was not threatened and forced to react. Rather, the officer accidentally killed a citizen. While it was a bad person in this instance, no reason why such a thing couldn't happen to any person they "meant" to subdue and accidentally kill (a drunk at a football game, a mentally ill person [wait, we just shoot them isntead of trying to tase them), etc. Bad news all around. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Breadburner on April 05, 2015, 01:30:53 pm Not sure you have the facts right in your first paragraph......
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 05, 2015, 01:56:54 pm Trying to break this down to bare facts: A (retired?) insurance agent donates the max amount of money to the Sheriff's re-election campaign. He is appointed as the campaign adviser to the campaign. When the Sheriff is re-elected the man is named a reserve deputy. The Sheriff then sends said man out on a firearms related "sting" operation with a gun and a Taser. Shockingly, the suspect doesn't want to be arrested for a firearms violation and attempts to flee. There is no attempt by the suspect to threaten or harm the officer. The officer than reaches for his weapon and fires at the suspect, killing him. The shooter later states that he confused his Taser and his firearm. - - - If this is true, there are many things wrong with it. Ending with the fact that by policy the Taser should be a distinct drawing motion from the firearm such that these things do not happen. Also, the Taser usually has a separate and distinct safety mechanism that many LEO firearms do not (Glocks, for example). Unfortunately, taken as true this is an instance in which a County Sheriff negligently killed a citizen. While it appears that the citizen that was killed was a bad person, the officer did not make an informed decision to execute him. The officer was not threatened and forced to react. Rather, the officer accidentally killed a citizen. While it was a bad person in this instance, no reason why such a thing couldn't happen to any person they "meant" to subdue and accidentally kill (a drunk at a football game, a mentally ill person [wait, we just shoot them isntead of trying to tase them), etc. Bad news all around. Maybe the cameras at Celia Clinton Elementary could provide a clue. Then there's always the dashcam video (and even some Tasers have cameras), but the longer they "process" it the less transparent it seems. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 06, 2015, 06:56:57 pm Whoopsie.....!!! Maj. Shannon Clark with TCSO told KRMG the gunshot startled Bates so badly he actually dropped the weapon. But neither Clark nor Undersheriff Tim Albin could say what that weapon was, though sources tell KRMG it was a .38-caliber revolver. TCSO is also withholding information on Bates' training and certifications, though they did say he's undergone specialized training in, among other things, homicide investigation. TPD says Bates was an officer for a year, from January, 1964 to January, 1965. Albin says TCSO policy does allow deputies to carry personal weapons, but they must be approved weapons and the deputies must be certified on them by a qualified range instructor annually. The sheriff's office says Bates' training record and certifications are part of the investigation and will not be released at this time. Last week, KRMG asked about the short amount of time spent investigating the shooting scene - about an hour. Albin and Clark both said they gathered all the evidence and interviewed all the witnesses they needed to before leaving the scene. Albin also said the entire incident was caught on video, which made the investigation move more quickly. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 07, 2015, 01:00:04 pm Interfering with CPS. Resisting arrest. And assault on a Police Officer. This heavily pregnant woman looks to me in the video to be getting assaulted by the Police Officers. But there again, I haven't put my "Cop Goggles" on yet. You know the kind that changes perception of reality. Now where did I put those? ::)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3029124/Video-shows-deputy-hitting-heavily-pregnant-war-veteran-remove-toddler-care.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 08, 2015, 07:24:11 am Obviously the Cop in this kill the citizen video is definitely wrong in his actions, he should and will pay for them.
My problem is the way the article headline reads. White Officer guns down Black man. It's as if the news reporters want rioting in the streets. Then again. They're just perpetuating more news to be caused and reported. It's a win win for them. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3029597/Cop-charged-black-man-s-murder-opening-fire-eight-times-shooting-ran-away-saying-did-felt-threatened.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: swake on April 08, 2015, 08:17:19 am Obviously the Cop in this kill the citizen video is definitely wrong in his actions, he should and will pay for them. My problem is the way the article headline reads. White Officer guns down Black man. It's as if the news reporters want rioting in the streets. Then again. They're just perpetuating more news to be caused and reported. It's a win win for them. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3029597/Cop-charged-black-man-s-murder-opening-fire-eight-times-shooting-ran-away-saying-did-felt-threatened.html It's the Daily Mail, a British tabloid, what do you expect? It's barely a newspaper. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on April 08, 2015, 09:50:12 am CNN led with the exact same headline yesterday, and I believe they are not the only US new source that did the same thing.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 08, 2015, 12:11:08 pm CNN led with the exact same headline yesterday, and I believe they are not the only US new source that did the same thing. Its been a world news item for a few days now, Pravda is eating it up. Foreign governments love to cite these as examples of how corrupt America has become (and God knows we give it to them on a silver platter), but what they dont see is that Americans still have the freedom to hold their government accountable, and things like photographing government behaving badly are not a crime. Cop who shot man 8 times in back, planted gun, arrested for murder The confrontation started when Slager had reportedly pulled over Scott because of a broken taillight. It escalated into a foot chase as Scott allegedly fled because there were family court-issued warrants for his arrest. Slager pursued Scott into a grassy lot and claimed that he fired his Taser to subdue him. Moments later, Slager reported on his radio, “Shots fired and the subject is down. He took my Taser,” according to the Times. Earlier this week, an attorney for Slager said the cop felt threatened after Scott tried to overpower him and take his Taser. Today that attorney told The Post and Courier that he's "no longer involved" in the case. But first images in the video are of Slager shooting at Scott as he runs away from him. It also appears that Slager plants the Taser near Scott after he was gunned down, according to The New York Times. Police reports also say that responding officers performed CPR and delivered medical aid to Scott, but the video shows Scott face down in handcuffs for several minutes after the shooting. Another officer shows up but never performs CPR. Officer Slager had previous complaints; While responding to a burglary call, the resident insisted he was not the burglar, “he later told internal investigators that Slager threatened to use a Taser against him if he didn’t come outside. When the man followed the order and stepped outside, he said Slager ‘Tased (him) for no reason and ... slammed him and dragged him.” An officer who accompanied Slager on the call said Slager had to use the Taser, and investigators cleared Slager of wrongdoing. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 09, 2015, 12:56:27 pm Wow! It's almost like these things happen everyday. ::)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031742/Family-mentally-ill-man-shot-dead-police-release-new-video.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 09, 2015, 05:18:26 pm Wow! It's almost like these things happen everyday. ::) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031742/Family-mentally-ill-man-shot-dead-police-release-new-video.html White officer now faces felony charge for fatally shooting a black man in his driveway Craven fired repeatedly through the driver-side window of Satterwhite’s car after Satterwhite had stopped in his driveway. According to an incident report released by the Edgefield County Sheriff’s Office, Craven said after the shooting that Satterwhite — who was unarmed — “grabbed my gun.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/08/south-carolina-cop-now-faces-felony-charge-for-fatally-shooting-a-black-man-in-his-driveway/?tid=pm_national_pop_b Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 10, 2015, 10:13:02 am In Los Angeles, news helicopter video of police chases is a daily thing, but this one on horseback caught everyone's attention:
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Man-on-Stolen-Horse-Stunned-by-Sheriffs-Deputies-in-IE-299250951.html [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyLfHuPZQQY#t=105[/youtube] Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 10, 2015, 10:47:55 am Now that's insane. Wonder why she stopped commentating? He has got to have one messed up looking mug shot.
That beating they were laying down looked almost personal. And don't give me that resisting crap. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 10, 2015, 01:00:08 pm Obviously the Cop in this kill the citizen video is definitely wrong in his actions, he should and will pay for them. My problem is the way the article headline reads. White Officer guns down Black man. It's as if the news reporters want rioting in the streets. Then again. They're just perpetuating more news to be caused and reported. It's a win win for them. I agree with you on this, it's too automatic an assumption that race is the sole factor, and that makes it "breaking news." Not a fan of FNC or Rick Sanchez, but he has a point: This isn’t a black and white thing. It isn’t about race. It’s about trust — a trust that seems to have been broken in America between those who wear the badges and those who don’t. http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2015/04/09/rick-sanchez-what-if-shooting-video-wasnt-there-most-americans-know-answer/ OTOH, some of the numbers are hard to avoid: http://www.vox.com/2014/12/17/7408455/police-shootings-map Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Townsend on April 10, 2015, 03:10:38 pm Man's Family Seeks Release of Fatal Shooting Video
http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/mans-family-seeks-release-fatal-shooting-video (http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/mans-family-seeks-release-fatal-shooting-video) Quote TULSA, Okla. (AP) — The family of a man who was fatally shot by a Tulsa County reserve deputy says it wants authorities to release video of the shooting. The sheriff's office said 73-year-old reserve deputy Robert Charles Bates shot and killed Eric Courtney Harris during an undercover operation last week, believing he was using his stun gun instead of his service weapon when he opened fire. Authorities say Harris had been wrestling with another deputy before he was shot. Maj. Shannon Clark said earlier this week that a sunglass camera recorded the shooting. A family attorney said Thursday that video from a nearby business also captured the incident. Clark said the videos are part of an ongoing investigation, and the sheriff's office doesn't think they are subject to the state's open records act. The investigation is over...I wonder if they'll release the video now. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 10, 2015, 06:35:13 pm In Los Angeles, news helicopter video of police chases is a daily thing, but this one on horseback caught everyone's attention: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Man-on-Stolen-Horse-Stunned-by-Sheriffs-Deputies-in-IE-299250951.html [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyLfHuPZQQY#t=105[/youtube] Why KOTV never shows the end of a chase: 10 deputies suspended after violent arrest of suspect fleeing on horse "He remembers being beat, and he remembers that he wasn't resisting, that he laid still, he complied immediately. He says that he didn't even move a muscle because he didn't want to be continuously beat, yet it still happened," said attorney Sharon Brunner. After the beating, a deputy whispered in his ear: "This isn't over,'" attorney Jim Terrell said. http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/04/10_deputies_suspended_after_vi.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on April 10, 2015, 08:42:32 pm Man's Family Seeks Release of Fatal Shooting Video http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/mans-family-seeks-release-fatal-shooting-video (http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/mans-family-seeks-release-fatal-shooting-video) The investigation is over...I wonder if they'll release the video now. They rolled it out at a presser this afternoon. It’s on the TW web site, really inconclusive. It would be negligent homicide if you or I did it. 10 years suspended plus monetary damages to the family if it were you or me. Let’s face it, “I thought it was my taser” sounds really negligent to me. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 11, 2015, 08:43:30 am They rolled it out at a presser this afternoon. It’s on the TW web site, really inconclusive. It would be negligent homicide if you or I did it. 10 years suspended plus monetary damages to the family if it were you or me. Let’s face it, “I thought it was my taser” sounds really negligent to me. I just watched the video they released. It clearly was an accident......but. As usual. There were also plenty of Officers who had already taken him to the ground and had him under enough control that I don't really see a need for even a taser. No I'm not a cop or play one on T.V. But I can tell when someone is on the ground and at least two men on him with a knee in the neck. That he ain't goin nowhere. Bates clearly had one of those"OH SH!T!" moments. Not Homicide. But it sure borders negligent Homicide. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TulsaMoon on April 11, 2015, 09:16:28 am So much more to come out about this.
I was at the family press conf. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 11, 2015, 05:04:28 pm I just watched the video they released. It clearly was an accident......but. As usual. There were also plenty of Officers who had already taken him to the ground and had him under enough control that I don't really see a need for even a taser. No I'm not a cop or play one on T.V. But I can tell when someone is on the ground and at least two men on him with a knee in the neck. That he ain't goin nowhere. Bates clearly had one of those"OH SH!T!" moments. Not Homicide. But it sure borders negligent Homicide. No video was initially provided, instead we saw a heavily-redacted and censored, blurry, low contrast slide show of cherry-picked images with no verifiable timecode or metadata, that reporters had to try and re-photograph as it was projected on the wall of a conference room. Tulsa Police Sgt. Jim Clark, an expert brought in by the Sheriff's Office, said he reviewed the evidence and concluded that Deputy Bates did not commit a crime and instead was a "victim." http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/video-of-fatal-shooting-by-reserve-deputy-shown-at-sheriff/article_9d77cce0-75e6-5ddf-a782-cf048ad4064b.html They could have been subtly remorseful, but instead went the route of "the poor cop that shot the unarmed man point blank in the back is the one you should feel sorry for." They could not have been more self-serving, calloused, and arrogant if they had tried. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: AquaMan on April 12, 2015, 09:04:31 am I have faith that a local law firm will hold these folks accountable. Its up to the city and state to make sure the system is adequately tweaked and throttled. I have no faith in that. Most likely they will attempt to pass laws outlawing videotaping of police operations.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 12, 2015, 10:35:40 am I have faith that a local law firm will hold these folks accountable. Its up to the city and state to make sure the system is adequately tweaked and throttled. I have no faith in that. Most likely they will attempt to pass laws outlawing videotaping of police operations. What I havent been hearing through all of this is what steps will be taken to prevent it from happening again. The "Slip and Capture" explaination seems to have been the work of one doctor on the defense team for an officer charged with murder (but later convicted of manslaughter) in the 2009 shooting of a restrained suspect at a train station in Oakland. http://www.policeone.com/police-trainers/articles/2144171-Force-Science-explains-slips-and-capture-errors I havent found an example of that defense being used in any other criminal case, and it seems to leave the door open. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: AquaMan on April 12, 2015, 12:59:49 pm It seemed to be a well reasoned defense backed up with experience. It was telling that the BART, and from other reports LA, changed their training and weapons were changed to more consistent style and placement. That is what I hope will happen here rather than taking sides by race or politics. As I said in an earlier post, this is an excellent opportunity to re-assess training and tweak psychological testing to address a national problem.
This "slip and capture" phenomena seems unrelated to age. The BART incident was a much younger man. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Jammie on April 12, 2015, 03:36:59 pm I've had some really bad dealings with Tulsa cops. But then there's been some that've been really great. I think it's like any job where someone has authority, there's some bad apples & there's good ones. But it's possible too that people that crave that kind of dominance & aggression might seek out positions of authority. :-\ (http://www.amazon.com/?_encoding=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&linkCode=ur2&tag=debcuseff-20&linkId=Z5SVMTSHHC4FARLG) :-[ You nailed it! The problem is, there's no way to tell the difference between the cops who truly want to help people and those who are on a control/power trip often until it's too late and someone is dead or others are raped by them. The officer in SC who was arrested for murder had other charges brought against him previously and the victim is now suing. Of course, the officer was previously believed and exonerated. As far as the man on the horse who was beaten, I'm struggling to find any sympathy for him. He was convicted of domestic abuse and animal abuse in 2006 and was again having an issue with both. In fact, he had just shot the family dog right in front of the family during their most recent issue. I realize the cops aren't judge, jury, and executioners, but karma is what got this man. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 12, 2015, 05:13:31 pm You nailed it! The problem is, there's no way to tell the difference between the cops who truly want to help people and those who are on a control/power trip often until it's too late and someone is dead or others are raped by them. The officer in SC who was arrested for murder had other charges brought against him previously and the victim is now suing. Of course, the officer was previously believed and exonerated. As far as the man on the horse who was beaten, I'm struggling to find any sympathy for him. He was convicted of domestic abuse and animal abuse in 2006 and was again having an issue with both. In fact, he had just shot the family dog right in front of the family during their most recent issue. I realize the cops aren't judge, jury, and executioners, but karma is what got this man. Dont pitty him. He's no angel, which is why we have a court system and not mob rule. Sometimes those in authority forget that, and become mobs. Thats the problem we have. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 12, 2015, 05:22:22 pm It seemed to be a well reasoned defense backed up with experience. It was telling that the BART, and from other reports LA, changed their training and weapons were changed to more consistent style and placement. That is what I hope will happen here rather than taking sides by race or politics. As I said in an earlier post, this is an excellent opportunity to re-assess training and tweak psychological testing to address a national problem. This "slip and capture" phenomena seems unrelated to age. The BART incident was a much younger man. Shannon Clark claims the justification for using the taser on a subdued man in the first place was that the victim “refused to pull his left arm from underneath his body where his hand was near his waistband,” but in the Google Glass video, no one orders him to do that. Also, I have listened to the tape several times, and I dont hear anyone shouting "Taser! Taser!" before the shooting. Anyone else? Is administering 50,000 volts across a persons heart such a passé and routine act that we dont take any precautions? ...and then there is the lack of professionalism, as well as humanity: "He shot me! He shot me, man. Oh, my god. I'm losing my breath," Eric Harris says as he struggles on the ground with police on top of him. "F--k your breath," an officer can be heard saying. "Shut the f--k up!" "I shot him!" the shocked former policeman says, dropping his gun from the recoil. "I'm sorry." "You shouldn't have f-----g ran!" another deputy screams, as Harris is held down by his neck and head. http://video.nydailynews.com/?ndn.trackingGroup=90051&ndn.siteSection=nydailynews_hom_non_non&ndn.videoId=28876888&freewheel=90051&sitesection=nydailynews_hom_non_non&vid=28876888 The last cop to do this did prison time, but don't expect DA Kuntzweiler to give this anything but his OK. The taxpayers will loose the civil suit and the wound will just lay open. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Conan71 on April 13, 2015, 09:18:02 am Due to tort limits, they family may only end up with $175K.
I’m aware of a case last week in which a motorcyclist who was hit by a police car was awarded >$600K by a jury, but the attorney who represented him said it will likely be revised to $175K which won’t even cover the medical expenses of the rider or his passenger. The attorney who tried the case posts here, we’ll see if he chimes in. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on April 13, 2015, 01:02:20 pm I started a thread just for the Eric Harris incident. This topic will likely go on for a yaer, so it would be nice to discuss just THIS local incident on its own as opposed to on page 28 of a general thread:
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21004.new#new Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 14, 2015, 10:21:45 am You can hear this guys breath wince every time the Officer clubs him.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3038260/New-police-brutality-outrage-video-emerges-claims-two-cops-CLUBBING-DUI-motorist-lays-ground.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 15, 2015, 07:11:54 am Who needs a Taser, Gun or a Night Stick. Just run em down with your Patrol unit. BOOM! your a hero.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3039215/Shocking-police-dashcam-footage-captures-moment-Arizona-cop-mounts-sidewalk-CRASHES-armed-alleged-thief-sending-flying-air.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 15, 2015, 10:44:39 am Who needs a Taser, Gun or a Night Stick. Just run em down with your Patrol unit. BOOM! your a hero. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3039215/Shocking-police-dashcam-footage-captures-moment-Arizona-cop-mounts-sidewalk-CRASHES-armed-alleged-thief-sending-flying-air.html Its insane. Even the cop in the first car was shocked by this behavior, but the DA already gave it his thumbs up. [youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVByrAm0bi8 [/youtube] Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on April 15, 2015, 11:25:20 am Its insane. Even the cop in the first car was shocked by this behavior, but the DA already gave it his thumbs up. [youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVByrAm0bi8 [/youtube] Anyone want to bet the officer says, "I was attempting to pin the suspect between my cruiser and the pick up truck in the driveway, and I accelerated to hard and waited to long to brake and misjudged my approach angle."? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 15, 2015, 12:49:17 pm Except for the equipment damage to car, etc, I got no problem with that. And running down with car is likely to be the least lethal method. The guy was a clear and present danger who had already been shooting. If a SWAT team was available, would have been better to take him down with a shot from a rifle, but at least this way the guy survived (apparently) and was no longer a danger.
What would have been a better outcome?? Waiting to hear that... Let him take a few shots at the cops, maybe hitting/killing one of them? I certainly don't want cops gratuitously killing people like happens way too often, but also don't want people killing cops!! I guess I just don't want anyone killing anyone else.... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Townsend on April 15, 2015, 01:10:50 pm I guess I just don't want anyone killing anyone else.... Hippy Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 15, 2015, 01:12:33 pm Except for the equipment damage to car, etc, I got no problem with that. And running down with car is likely to be the least lethal method. The guy was a clear and present danger who had already been shooting. If a SWAT team was available, would have been better to take him down with a shot from a rifle, but at least this way the guy survived (apparently) and was no longer a danger. What would have been a better outcome?? Waiting to hear that... Let him take a few shots at the cops, maybe hitting/killing one of them? I certainly don't want cops gratuitously killing people like happens way too often, but also don't want people killing cops!! I guess I just don't want anyone killing anyone else.... Wholly Crap! There is a defense for every Cop related action. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 15, 2015, 02:48:48 pm Hippy Absolutely!!! Always and forever! https://www.google.com/search?q=furthur+bus&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Ys4uVdz8FIK-ggTttITIAQ&ved=0CCsQsAQ&biw=1276&bih=626 Letting my freak flag fly.... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 15, 2015, 02:53:06 pm Wholly Crap! There is a defense for every Cop related action. ?? Did you read what I wrote? Like I asked - what would have been a better outcome? What would have been a better approach? I would bet the next alternative step would be just to shoot the guy, since he was standing there shooting a gun. He didn't deserve to die just for what he had been doing... but it could have easily escalated to that point in about 3 thousandth's of a second. Shouldn't that be "Holy"...?? Well, it could be wholly.... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on April 15, 2015, 03:23:31 pm Personally, I think he was trying for "Suicide by Cop". He shot once in the air, willing to be the next was going to be aimed at a cop or a civilian and then it would have been a shootout in a residential area. No innocent people were hurt.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 15, 2015, 04:32:59 pm I guess my shock was the accelerated speed he decided to hit him at. He could have disarmed him at 15 to 20 miles an hour. But I'm sure he was fearing for his and other officers, citizens etc, etc lives. At the moment he hit drag strip speed.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 15, 2015, 06:32:35 pm I guess my shock was the accelerated speed he decided to hit him at. He could have disarmed him at 15 to 20 miles an hour. But I'm sure he was fearing for his and other officers, citizens etc, etc lives. At the moment he hit drag strip speed. He must have "slipped" into another reality... (http://www.filmsquish.com/guts/files/images/mad-max-1.jpg) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 15, 2015, 07:54:48 pm I guess my shock was the accelerated speed he decided to hit him at. He could have disarmed him at 15 to 20 miles an hour. But I'm sure he was fearing for his and other officers, citizens etc, etc lives. At the moment he hit drag strip speed. I wouldn't go so far as to say the cop evaluated the situation analytically - he could have done the same thing a little slower - but I know I would have been worrying about the guy turning and taking a shot before I got there, so I probably would have tried to go faster, too! Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 19, 2015, 04:56:45 pm Died from crushed trachea, spinal injury, after alleged beating inside a Baltimore police van:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_B1yQ6bPlU[/youtube] Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on April 21, 2015, 01:46:26 pm Except for the equipment damage to car, etc, I got no problem with that. And running down with car is likely to be the least lethal method. The guy was a clear and present danger who had already been shooting. I have many problems with it. Discharging a firearm inside city limits is a misdemeanor with a maximum sentence of 6 months in the city lockup: Tulsa City Ordinance, 27 s. 1507 http://www.cityoftulsa.org/media/50504/title_27_s20.pdf And no carry license for 6 months... 21 OS 1364 http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69854 That is a pretty low level crime. in the same section, it appears to be the same level of crime as being a hobo (riding a railroad without permission). It is the exact same penalty ascribed to a person who steels a candy bar from QT (or anything worse less than $500). 21 OS 1704 http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=70062 So - in order to stop the crime which we have deemed comparable to steeling a candy bar, we're cool with running the guy over? Can the QT clerk shoot the guy steeling the Snickers? Sure, confronting a man with a gun certainly can be dangerous. Luckily, we have entire groups of people we pay high salaries to and train extensively to do just that. If the solution to every suspicious person with a weapon was to just attempt to kill them, we wouldn't need a man worth $100,000 a year to deal with the situation. Hell, 50% (or better) of Oklahomans could just run the guy over or shoot him. If the guy presents a danger of severe injury to death to others, then police are forced to act. This man created a scary situation (shooting a gun into the air in the city) and may have presented a threat in the future, so a police officer decided to try and kill him (intentionally running into a pedestrian with your car is attempted murder if you or I do it). That's a decidedly low standard for the authorized use of deadly force. Once again, doing something stupid does not carry the death sentence. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 21, 2015, 02:39:12 pm BOOM! There you have it. Thank you CF. The pay these guy's make should warrant the actions they are trained to perform. Very well put.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 21, 2015, 04:42:56 pm I have many problems with it. Discharging a firearm inside city limits is a misdemeanor with a maximum sentence of 6 months in the city lockup: Tulsa City Ordinance, 27 s. 1507 http://www.cityoftulsa.org/media/50504/title_27_s20.pdf And no carry license for 6 months... 21 OS 1364 http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69854 That is a pretty low level crime. in the same section, it appears to be the same level of crime as being a hobo (riding a railroad without permission). It is the exact same penalty ascribed to a person who steels a candy bar from QT (or anything worse less than $500). 21 OS 1704 http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=70062 So - in order to stop the crime which we have deemed comparable to steeling a candy bar, we're cool with running the guy over? Can the QT clerk shoot the guy steeling the Snickers? Sure, confronting a man with a gun certainly can be dangerous. Luckily, we have entire groups of people we pay high salaries to and train extensively to do just that. If the solution to every suspicious person with a weapon was to just attempt to kill them, we wouldn't need a man worth $100,000 a year to deal with the situation. Hell, 50% (or better) of Oklahomans could just run the guy over or shoot him. If the guy presents a danger of severe injury to death to others, then police are forced to act. This man created a scary situation (shooting a gun into the air in the city) and may have presented a threat in the future, so a police officer decided to try and kill him (intentionally running into a pedestrian with your car is attempted murder if you or I do it). That's a decidedly low standard for the authorized use of deadly force. Once again, doing something stupid does not carry the death sentence. Just viewing the way he was doing it - repeatedly at seemingly different directions/orientations....wouldn't that raise it to an endangerment level? Or something more serious? Seems like careless repetition should be more serious than just a one-off discharge event. There appear to be houses nearby, presumably people also close - well within range of the shots. At what point does this become an attempted assault? Does he have to hit a door jamb on the house where people are located? And if he does "accidentally" hit someone, does that then become the more serious event (I know it should in my little world). There have been times when people have shot at targets, missed, and the bullet traveled long distances and hit people. Does it have to hit someone to be considered a more serious thing? (According to our statutes, it would appear so.) At what point does intent escalate - 'cause even if he was drunk, depressed, or whatever condition it seems like one shot would at least be differentiated from multiple shots by some kind of intent. One shot could be "oops"...two or more is on purpose for whatever reason. I guess I feel like this should be a much more serious event than just an accidental discharge, and should escalate very quickly in law....like with the second shot...to felony. Our laws are like you said, treating it like stealing a candy bar. Not even as much as a first time DUI. Both firing indiscriminately and drunk driving can have consequences much more dire than the laws seem to treat them. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on April 21, 2015, 05:38:24 pm Other crimes you eluded to require an alement of intent: if he was trying to shoot prolerty, homes, or people there are various other charges. There are also charges for wreckless endangerment etc. But, generally, shooting into the air is viewed as a discharge offense unless something else comes into play (a shotgun, for instance, is much more likely to come down in the immediate area and cause problems).
However, as you point out, the mans actions *could* harm people. As we k ow, accidentally discharging a firearm causing death can be negligent homicide. If this man accidentally killed someone while firing in the air, it would likely be a level above that (manslaughter perhaps). It is also worth noting there can he add on offenses: felon in possession, illegal transport, noise violation. Trust me, they can get creative when needed. However, the point is this man's actions *could* have caused harm to other people and officers *might* have been at risk if they confronted him - but running him down with a car certainly DID cause harm to a person and to property. I dare say if a person would have been behind that cinder block wall the cop destroyed we would have another officer charged. Thean with the gun was wrong. Crazy? Drugged? Just a criminal? I don't know. But the police officer also did wrong, and he's the one who is supposed to know better. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 21, 2015, 06:57:39 pm Supreme Court: Cops can’t hold suspects to wait for drug-sniffing dog
The Supreme Court ruled 6-3 on Tuesday that the Constitution forbids police from holding a suspect without probable cause, even for fewer than 10 extra minutes. Writing on behalf of the court, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg declared that the constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure prevent police from extending an otherwise completed traffic stop to allow for a drug-sniffing dog to arrive. The case, Rodriguez v. United States, was brought by a man who was pulled over for driving on the shoulder of a Nebraska highway. After the police pulled him over, checked his license and issued a warning for his erratic driving, the officer asked whether he could walk his drug-sniffing dog around the vehicle. The driver refused. However, the officer nonetheless detained him for “seven or eight minutes” until a backup officer arrived with a dog of his own. After sniffing around the car, the dog "detected drugs," and Rodriguez was indicted for possession. In all, the stop lasted less than 30 minutes. According to the Supreme Court, though, that search was illegal, and the evidence gathered in it should not be used at trial. While officers may use a dog to sniff around a car during the course of a routine traffic stop, they cannot extend the length of the stop in order to carry it out. “[T]he tolerable duration of police inquiries in the traffic-stop context is determined by the seizure’s ‘mission’ — to address the traffic violation that warranted the stop,” Ginsburg ruled. “Authority for the seizure thus ends when tasks tied to the traffic infraction are — or reasonably should have been — completed.” http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/239513-court-rules-cops-cant-hold-suspects-to-wait-for-dog The most common method for unconstitutionally holding someone is a tactic known as "Rolling No" questions: "Oh do you mind if I ask you some questions?" "Do you have anything illegal in your car?" "Any Marijuana?" "Any Cocaine?" "Any heroin?" "Any large amounts of cash?" "Any weapons?" " The officer rattles off a laundry list of questions the motorist automatically answers no to, including eventually "Do you mind if I search your car?" Courts have said "drug dogs" that alert their owners qualify as probable cause to search, but dashcam video has revealed that the dogs are often merely responding to verbal or hand cues at times when they allegedly "discover" contraband. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJqq6KCOkdM#t=162[/youtube] Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 21, 2015, 07:00:47 pm Died from crushed trachea, spinal injury, after alleged beating inside a Baltimore police van: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_B1yQ6bPlU We have all that here, too, minus the outrage: https://vimeo.com/125537095 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on April 21, 2015, 07:17:06 pm Arizona state law, discharge of a weapon into the air is a class six felony, regardless of intent. also known as Shannon's Law
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/03107.htm (http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/03107.htm) Also known as Shannon's Law: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/01/30/tragedy-father-led-crusade-shannons-law/22570107/ (http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/01/30/tragedy-father-led-crusade-shannons-law/22570107/) This was on top of the four or five felonies he had already committed that day. Quote Then he watched the Feb. 19 encounter a few more times. And he learned that the suspect, Mario Valencia, had been mowed down while in the middle of an alleged crime spree that included the robbery of a 7-Eleven, an arson at a church, the burglary of a home, and the theft of a car and a rifle. And he learned that the suspect had allegedly shot into the air as officers approached him in a residential neighborhood. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/creative-or-excessive-cops-ramming-gunman-sparks-debate-n342281 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/creative-or-excessive-cops-ramming-gunman-sparks-debate-n342281) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 21, 2015, 07:50:42 pm Arizona state law, discharge of a weapon into the air is a class six felony, regardless of intent. also known as Shannon's Law http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/03107.htm (http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/03107.htm) Also known as Shannon's Law: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/01/30/tragedy-father-led-crusade-shannons-law/22570107/ (http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/01/30/tragedy-father-led-crusade-shannons-law/22570107/) This was on top of the four or five felonies he had already committed that day. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/creative-or-excessive-cops-ramming-gunman-sparks-debate-n342281 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/creative-or-excessive-cops-ramming-gunman-sparks-debate-n342281) As weird as Arizona is at times, they sure do take that seriously. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on April 22, 2015, 09:03:03 am I love victim blaming by police. Hey look, we HAD to run this guy over because he broke into a car earlier? We had to shoot Eric Harris because he sold a gun illegally. We had to kill Michael Brown because he stole a cigar from a gas station. We had to suffocate the guy in NY because he sold loose cigarettes before.
The fact is, none of that has anything to do with the subsequent actions of police. The previous behavior certainly caused the police to engage the suspect, but it did not escalate the confrontation to violence (to be fair, in the Brown incident, the investigation suggested Brown escalated it and suffered the consequences - a fact that was not known when they released the video of his prior wrong doing. Just as the TCSO did yesterday). The guy that was run down appears to either be a pure lowlife, on drugs, in a mental health episode, or a combination thereof. In all honesty, society would probably be better off if we just purged him and those like him. But that is NOT the job of the police. A class 6 felony in Arizona is a misdemeanor in Oklahoma. It is 6 months to one year in jail. It can be heightened or reduced based on facts and or repeat nature - reduced to misdemeanor, or 3 months to 5.75 years (third aggregated offense). Nothing indicated in his crime spree shows a need to run the man down in the street. It is simply intended to convince the public that he has no value and thus no rights. That is incorrect. (PS. Thank you for the info on Arizona law and the details) Title: Re: Post by: Ed W on April 22, 2015, 10:08:56 am It plays well in the movies when police play judge, jury, and executioner, but in real life not so much. We have many who believe the courts are too lenient on criminals, however, and they seem to desire that "take no prisoners" approach to law enforcement.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on April 23, 2015, 03:18:26 pm These power crazy idiots will never learn.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3052640/The-moment-male-cop-knocked-DWI-suspect-unconscious-slams-ground-move.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Jammie on April 24, 2015, 07:50:43 am The mystery in Baltimore is just appalling and it's just odd that no security cameras seemed to pick anything up since they'd been working recently. Bet they'd have worked if a crime would've been committed by a civilian. Any ideas what happened in that van? Was the driver the same one who'd been involved in the previous incident where a man ended up dying two days after taking a ride with her?
Did anyone see the CNN interview with the spokesman? I couldn't tell if he was running for office and trying to sell how compassionate he is or if he was giving a press conference concerning a murder. Just browsing through newspapers this morning and watched a horrible short video that was in the Tampa Bay Times. I found the same one on You tube, but more in depth and am just trying to work up the courage to watch it. I USED to respect law enforcement, but that's changing fast. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+pasco+cop+shoots+dog&FORM=VIRE8#view=detail&mid=8FF4FE887FA22CC606918FF4FE887FA22CC60691 For me, this ranks right up there with a recent story I'd read in that same area. It was about young people who'd been in a sort of reformed school and many went missing, never to be found. The truth is now coming out that they'd been fed to the pigs. If anyone wants the link, I can try to find it. Title: Re: Post by: Jammie on April 24, 2015, 07:54:40 am It plays well in the movies when police play judge, jury, and executioner, but in real life not so much. We have many who believe the courts are too lenient on criminals, however, and they seem to desire that "take no prisoners" approach to law enforcement. Well said! We had a discussion about that recently and were confused by all of the recent shootings since crime stats are actually dropping. There was a recent interview where someone who'd been victimized in the past (a black man from Baltimore) said that things are better then they were in the 1970s, but we still have a long way to go. I can't imagine what all kind of horrors were done before video cameras, cell phones, 24 hr. news channels, etc. Maybe ignorance was bliss, but things would never change if people aren't aware of all of these awful incidents. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 24, 2015, 10:12:26 am The mystery in Baltimore is just appalling and it's just odd that no security cameras seemed to pick anything up since they'd been working recently. Bet they'd have worked if a crime would've been committed by a civilian. Any ideas what happened in that van? Was the driver the same one who'd been involved in the previous incident where a man ended up dying two days after taking a ride with her? Moore and several residents living near the scene of Gray's arrest were highly skeptical that none of the eight cameras along the streets where Gray was apprehended and re-restrained had footage of the arrest. They had him folded up like he was a crab or a piece of origami. He was all bent up. - Kevin Moore, a witness to Freddie Gray's arrest "If I were to commit a crime they would have every angle," he said. "It doesn't make any sense that these cameras work, but when the police do something, they don't." http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-gray-video-moore-20150423-story.html Dashcams and body cams seem to loose their objective value after they have been at the lab for a week or two being enhanced. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Jammie on April 24, 2015, 06:45:48 pm Moore and several residents living near the scene of Gray's arrest were highly skeptical that none of the eight cameras along the streets where Gray was apprehended and re-restrained had footage of the arrest. They had him folded up like he was a crab or a piece of origami. He was all bent up. - Kevin Moore, a witness to Freddie Gray's arrest "If I were to commit a crime they would have every angle," he said. "It doesn't make any sense that these cameras work, but when the police do something, they don't." http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-gray-video-moore-20150423-story.html Dashcams and body cams seem to loose their objective value after they have been at the lab for a week or two being enhanced. That's it! That's the exact interview that I was referring to. Still amazing and sad to realize that the good guys are often the bad guys. Title: Re: Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 24, 2015, 09:43:14 pm Two more:
HARRISBURG, Pa. — A prosecutor said Friday that he intends to make public a video of a police officer fatally shooting an unarmed man in the back as he lay face down. Police say the video from the stun gun of Hummelstown police Officer Lisa Mearkle shows her shooting 59-year-old David Kassick twice after a Feb. 2 arrest for expired inspection and emissions stickers. Mearkle’s lawyers have said she acted in self-defense and was concerned that Kassick may have been reaching for a weapon. She is suspended without pay from the police force. Authorities say Mearkle shocked Kassick four times with a stun gun, equipped with a video camera, before shooting him twice, four seconds apart, as he lay face down. WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A Florida deputy’s shooting of an unarmed man is under renewed scrutiny after the emergence of video. Palm Beach County Deputy Adams Lin was cleared of any wrongdoing in the 2013 shooting of 22-year-old Dontrell Stephens. He said he believed Stephens was reaching for a gun and only fired shots after the man failed to comply with commands to raise his hands. But new video shows the only object in Stephens’ hand was a cellphone and no commands are heard from Lin. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/new-video-raises-questions-in-2013-florida-police-shooting/2015/04/24/bb992ce0-eae5-11e4-8581-633c536add4b_story.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on April 25, 2015, 11:04:05 am OHP investigates itself for last nights shooting.
Oklahoma Highway Patrol say the suspect didn't feel like stopping at the check point. So, a short chase ensued. The driver ended up pulling over, but he wasn't done. OHP say the suspect got out of his vehicle and brandished a firearm. "The trooper felt like his life was in danger and basically shot the suspect," OHP said. http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/suspect-gets-fatally-shot-trooper/nk3dc/ Sounds very casual, but the clock is ticking on the dashcam. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Jammie on April 25, 2015, 04:44:52 pm Just awful things being done by law enforcement. At least things are finally coming to light.
I have no new story, but heard something confusing today while listening to a follow up on the story in Baltimore. Evidently law enforcement killing a civilian is now phrased as, "Making a mistake." Isn't that just as low as when a politicians lies and say, "I misspoke"? I guess they "Misspoke" in Baltimore when they said none of the cameras in the area were working because today they're showing pics from them. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 25, 2015, 05:12:05 pm Just awful things being done by law enforcement. At least things are finally coming to light. I have no new story, but heard something confusing today while listening to a follow up on the story in Baltimore. Evidently law enforcement killing a civilian is now phrased as, "Making a mistake." Isn't that just as low as when a politicians lies and say, "I misspoke"? I guess they "Misspoke" in Baltimore when they said none of the cameras in the area were working because today they're showing pics from them. Its hard to imagine the inhumanity and pure evil that some just call "policing." Moore said he found his friend handcuffed, "screaming for his life," and planted face down on the ground with one Baltimore bicycle police officer's knee on his neck and the other bicycle officer bending his legs backward so that Gray's heels were in his back . "They had him folded up like he was a crab or a piece of origami. He was all bent up," Moore said. "He said 'I can't breathe. I need a pump,' and they ignored him," Moore said. Gray had asthma and Deputy Police Commissioner Jerry Rodriguez confirmed at a press conference on Monday that Gray asked for his inhaler. Moore said, "The police yelled 'stop resisting,' but there was no resistance. He couldn't move." Remember the police unions whipping up hysteria after two NYPD were shot? How many lives have been traded for that so far? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 25, 2015, 05:13:56 pm Quote Oklahoma Highway Patrol say the suspect didn't feel like stopping at the check point. So, a short chase ensued. The driver ended up pulling over, but he wasn't done. OHP say the suspect got out of his vehicle and brandished a firearm. "The trooper felt like his life was in danger and basically shot the suspect," OHP said. http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/suspect-gets-fatally-shot-trooper/nk3dc/ As passé as the OHPs attitude towards a "routine" shooting is the KRMG reporters flippant attitude towards the taking of a life. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 25, 2015, 06:13:41 pm As passé as the OHPs attitude towards a "routine" shooting is the KRMG reporters flippant attitude towards the taking of a life. You are kidding, right?? It's KRMG...(Faux News). You know what it is. Would never expect anything different. They do very good weather coverage... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 26, 2015, 05:15:48 pm That's it! That's the exact interview that I was referring to. Still amazing and sad to realize that the good guys are often the bad guys. BALTIMORE (AP) — A photo editor for a Baltimore newspaper says he was beaten by police at a protest over the death of Freddie Gray. J.M. Giordano, who works at the City Paper, says Baltimore police "swarmed over" him and hit him repeatedly. A video posted to the newspaper's website Sunday shows at least two police officers in riot gear hitting and kicking Giordano as the person filming screams, "He's a photographer! He's press!" The 41-year-old Giordano says his head hit the ground during the beating, which he says only stopped when someone pulled him out of the fray. Sait Serkan Gurbuz, a photographer with Reuters, says police detained him as he shot pictures of the scuffle. Reuters says Gurbuz was cited with failure to obey orders. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/26/baltimore-journalist-beaten-protest_n_7148030.html "(Gurbuz) was wearing his press credentials, was on a public sidewalk, and the events were happening in plain view," Reuters said. http://www.stltoday.com/news/state-and-regional/the-latest-photographer-says-police-beat-him-during-protest/article_c6bb62fe-b959-5153-98df-4c9fecb1b722.html Mr. Gray was arrested on April 12 after making eye contact with a police lieutenant and then fleeing, according to the police account. He was tackled by police officers, who held him down and handcuffed him before dragging him to a police van. A bystander recorded the arrest on video using his cellphone. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/26/us/baltimore-crowd-swells-in-protest-of-freddie-grays-death.html?_r=0 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 28, 2015, 10:05:06 pm Lance LoRusso, an attorney who spent 12 years as an officer in Cobb County, Georgia, said he doesn’t necessarily think police brutality is on the rise, but the use of technology — both by citizens and police officers — is.
“If you see a video of a convenience store robbery and an officer walks in and just shoots the suspect who is pointing a gun at the clerk, [people might ask], ‘Don’t you have to give warning first?’ The answer is no,” said LoRusso, the author of “When Cops Kill.” “Not only can they [just take the shot], but in many situations, they must.” ...but if the "suspect" is actually a Concealed Carry permit holder who, in the moments prior, just thwarted a robbery and saved the lives of the clerk and customers, the officers "shoot first and ask questions later" action fails to serve the public safety. John Whitehead, a constitutional law and human rights attorney who founded the civil liberties nonprofit Rutherford Institute, says the inappropriate use of force by cops is not only on the rise, but it’s a “huge crisis” that people are “starting to wake up to.” Whitehead, author of “Battlefield America: The War on the American People,” said the tactics used by police today would not have been seen 30 years ago, arguing that training changed after 9/11 with the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security. “The military trains a lot of the SWAT teams,” he said. “When SWAT teams come in the door … they’re coming in as military now.” “The old view of a policeman was ‘protect and serve;’ you don’t see that anymore. When a policeman looks at you now he looks at you differently,” Whitehead added, noting that officers often refer to citizens as “civilians” now, something he think also speaks to the militarization of the force. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/24/is-police-brutality-really-on-the-rise/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on May 01, 2015, 10:48:38 pm I love victim blaming by police. Hey look, we HAD to run this guy over because he broke into a car earlier? We had to shoot Eric Harris because he sold a gun illegally. We had to kill Michael Brown because he stole a cigar from a gas station. We had to suffocate the guy in NY because he sold loose cigarettes before. The fact is, none of that has anything to do with the subsequent actions of police. The previous behavior certainly caused the police to engage the suspect, but it did not escalate the confrontation to violence (to be fair, in the Brown incident, the investigation suggested Brown escalated it and suffered the consequences - a fact that was not known when they released the video of his prior wrong doing. Just as the TCSO did yesterday). The guy that was run down appears to either be a pure lowlife, on drugs, in a mental health episode, or a combination thereof. In all honesty, society would probably be better off if we just purged him and those like him. But that is NOT the job of the police. Nothing indicated in his crime spree shows a need to run the man down in the street. It is simply intended to convince the public that he has no value and thus no rights. That is incorrect. And yet, none of those justifications would have gained any traction without bad journalism and lazy reporters. HuffPo puts it into perspective: How The Media Can Stop Embarrassing Themselves At The Hands Of Police The job of reporters is to report what they know, and the problem with the Washington Post story is that they didn't know that what the police claimed was true. They only knew the police were claiming it... In this case, we know for a fact that police are leaking information they claim exonerates themselves in the (Baltimore) killing of Freddie Gray. Shaping the lede around this fact would have allowed the Post to report its news and also deliver it in a way that is unquestionably accurate, without needing to make any assumptions about motivation or honesty. It is also quite newsworthy that police decided, ahead of the release of the full investigation, to leak a small part of it that put them in the most favorable light. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/01/danta-allen_n_7190024.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 03, 2015, 05:04:49 pm Relying on data gathered by Fatal Encounters ( http://www.fatalencounters.org ), The New York Times ranked states by their rates of police-involved homicides per 100,000 residents. The result: among the lowest were populous states like New Jersey, Michigan, Massachusetts and New York whose big cities — rightly or wrongly — are often seen as crime-prone. And some of the states with the highest rates — up to six times greater, in fact — were less populous and generally western states like Oklahoma, Montana and New Mexico.
Even within individual states, some police departments have a record of killing suspects at rates far higher than others. On both government and crowdsourced databases, some big cities like Phoenix and smaller ones like Albuquerque and Oklahoma City stand out for the unusual number of police killings reported relative to their size. http://www.nytimes.com Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on May 09, 2015, 10:15:29 am Dont know if the pace of violence is picking up, but the pace of doing it in front of cameras is:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/05/miami-cop-punches-model_n_7216074.html http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/video-shows-white-officer-kick-black-man-face-delaware-article-1.2215288 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 09, 2015, 05:40:01 pm No Charges for Oklahoma Casino Cop Who Tasered Man to Death.
No criminal charges will be filed in the death of Terry Price, a 41-year-old Tulsa man who was repeatedly shocked with a stun gun in February during an altercation with Osage Nation police officers. The medical examiner's autopsy report, released last month, said Price “became reportedly unresponsive after being tased." "The cause of death is sudden cardiac death associated with physical restraint in prone position with hands cuffed behind back, multiple electroshock weapon discharge,” the report says. The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation investigated the arrest of Price and determined “the actions of the Osage Nation Police Department officer and Osage County deputy were simply directed at getting Terry Price’s hands behind his back in order to place him in handcuffs,” according to the Osage Nation press release. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 16, 2015, 04:32:48 pm TULSA, Okla. — U.S. marshals arrested a former police chief and current Oklahoma National Guard sergeant while he was training at the reserve center in Sand Springs Wednesday morning. James Bell is accused of sexually assaulting a child in Texas. FOX23 looked into Bell’s court records and found he was charged with raping a girl while he was the police chief in Crescent, Oklahoma, in 2006. He pled down to a misdemeanor and was allowed to quietly resign. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 16, 2015, 04:35:44 pm Sometimes being out of touch with the people they 'serve and protect' can take more subtle forms, like the Chelsea PD last week getting this reality check:
CHELSEA, Okla. — In March, Chelsea police pulled over a prominent citizen. Two city leaders are accused of trying to get the drunk man off the hook. The man in question Tuesday night was the town administrator. Tuesday, city councilors voted 3-1 to let Kenny Weast keep his job. Many cheered. "If he showed up at the traffic stop as Brian Haggard's good friend to drive his truck home for him I have no problem with that," one of Weasts’ supporters, Dusty Morrow said. Assistant Police Chief Travis Hogan said the Police Department is shocked. "As you can see with the vote they did and then the roar of the crowd we were definitely put in our place today," Hogan said. “We swore an oath to do a job and that job we did … he tried to interfere with one of our arrests and they awarded him for it" http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/controversial-dui-arrest-divides-city-and-police/nmFbm/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 17, 2015, 05:39:40 pm Count how many times police praised themselves as they watched a brawl that killed nine people:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/17/us/texas-shooting What started as a physical fight in the bathroom spilled out into the bar and rapidly escalated. The fight spilled into the parking lot where a SWAT team shot dead at least one person. 'I can't repeat enough how bad this could have been had it not been for Waco SWAT officers and the Department of Public Safety.' May be preemptive PR, because there is disagreement on exactly when or why a SWAT team, already in place before the fight, opened fire on the brawling bikers. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on May 18, 2015, 10:15:49 am What started as a physical fight in the bathroom spilled out into the bar and rapidly escalated. The fight spilled into the parking lot where a SWAT team shot dead at least one person. 'I can't repeat enough how bad this could have been had it not been for Waco SWAT officers and the Department of Public Safety.' Its leaning towards a S.W.A.T. raid that went bad. I dont think Rev. Sharpton comes to town for dead bikers, though. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 18, 2015, 09:53:28 pm At least half the deaths resulted when police, already at the restaurant, opened fire on the bikers.
Before the restaurant and surrounding parking lots became a bloody battleground, the Waco Police Department had 18 SWAT officers on the scene, including an assistant chief and tactical officers, along with four officers with the Texas Department of Public Safety, Swanton said. http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/18/us/texas-biker-gang-brawl-shooting/ (Police spokesman) Swanton said that gang members had been threatening police overnight and that police have "credible intelligence" to believe that other bikers were coming to Waco to take revenge on police or rival gangs. He said the gangs had given a "green light" to target uniformed officers. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/05/18/waco-shootout-police-involvement/27530257/ That only happens on TV. Get real Shannon Clark. But where have we heard this before? Quote Authorities are alerting law enforcement agencies in the Tulsa area about potential retaliation for a shooting at a biker clubhouse, according to an interoffice memo from the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office. The memo urges law enforcement officials to be wary when dealing with suspected members of outlaw motorcycle groups because of threats allegedly made by members of the Rogues motorcycle club. Deputies raided the club's hangout at 1826 N. Kingston Place on April 9 2010 after claiming tips that methamphetamine and marijuana sales were occurring there. While the Sheriff's Office's Special Operations Team was serving a search warrant, three deputies shot Doza, who died at the scene. Since then, there has been talk of retaliation, according to the memo. No narcotics were found during the search, but a drug dog indicated that drugs had been in multiple places in the clubhouse before deputies arrived, authorities said. The threats are general in nature and don't address any specific person. "The intent is to retaliate for the shooting of one of the club members by the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office. Public safety officials should be very aware of their surroundings, particularly stopping a motorcycle," the memo states. The memo also asks that officers document contact with motorcycle club members, especially those wearing insignia known as "patches." Hundreds of bikers were drawn to Tulsa last weekend for Doza's funeral, which took place without incident, officials said. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/officers-warned-of-revenge-potential/article_fbd0b20e-4bdb-5e15-9c11-4c7000254b2c.html http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/state/fatal-police-shootings-in-oklahoma-since-ruled-justified/article_53d7764e-8a4b-5b7f-9561-572bb728f081.html As far as the "These criminal elements came here to kill people," Swanton said. "They didn't come here to drink beer and eat barbecue" rant; The United Clubs of Waco billed Sunday's event as the Texas Region 1 Confederation of Clubs and Independents meeting. These are routine among clubs, and happen in Tulsa regularly as a way to coordinate events like Christmas toy runs, discuss new memberships, motorcycle rights and legislative bills that impact riders, among other topics. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/19/us-usa-texas-shooting-bikers-idUSKBN0O400820150519 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 19, 2015, 06:48:23 pm SWAT decided to crash a regularly-scheduled biker gathering... and something went terribly wrong. The meeting was a publicly scheduled Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents grass-roots meeting, typically held to discuss legislative and safety issues, a gathering that has happened regularly across the state for years without any violence. “We got mom-and-pop clubs, veteran clubs, religion clubs, all clubs in Texas were at that meeting – different kind of clubs from everywhere,” Jimmy said. “This was not just a sort-out deal between five clubs to get together and hash out problems. … The police have it all wrong. We had it on the website for a month that it was a [Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents] meeting. Of course they knew we were coming." More than 170 people who probably witnessed the melee have been arrested and are unavailable for interview. They are each being held in lieu of $1-million bond, charged with engaging in organized criminal activity. McLennan County Sheriff Parnell McNamara declined a request by The Los Angeles Times to observe the bond hearings, citing security concerns. "Of the nine people who were killed, how many were killed by police?" http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-waco-shooting-20150519-story.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on May 19, 2015, 08:04:44 pm Yeah, right, Vashta I think you are way off base with your quotes. This is just the beginning.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 20, 2015, 10:31:30 am SWAT decided to crash a regularly-scheduled biker gathering... and something went terribly wrong. The meeting was a publicly scheduled Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents grass-roots meeting, typically held to discuss legislative and safety issues, a gathering that has happened regularly across the state for years without any violence. “We got mom-and-pop clubs, veteran clubs, religion clubs, all clubs in Texas were at that meeting – different kind of clubs from everywhere,” Jimmy said. “This was not just a sort-out deal between five clubs to get together and hash out problems. … The police have it all wrong. We had it on the website for a month that it was a [Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents] meeting. Of course they knew we were coming." More than 170 people who probably witnessed the melee have been arrested and are unavailable for interview. They are each being held in lieu of $1-million bond, charged with engaging in organized criminal activity. McLennan County Sheriff Parnell McNamara declined a request by The Los Angeles Times to observe the bond hearings, citing security concerns. "Of the nine people who were killed, how many were killed by police?" http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-waco-shooting-20150519-story.html Every patch I saw....Bandidos, Mongols, Cossacks, etc... are 1%'ers. You do understand what the means, don't you? CMA was not represented there. (Christian Motorcycle Association) Having said that, it is a very strange set of circumstances where someone got their foot rolled over so started a riot...? There is still more to this story. And very real civil rights issues... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on May 20, 2015, 11:57:21 am This is becoming a turf war similar to the one between the Mongols and Hells Angels in AZ/NV/CA area that has been brewing since the late 90's. It's a battle for control of drug trafficking, prostitution, firearms trafficking, drug manufacturing, murder for hire etc. Also it is believed that the Bandidos and others are working with the Mexican cartels as well which makes these turf wars even more important.
The previous worst fight was at Harrah's in Laughlin NV in 2002 that led to numerous arrest and indictments over the next 3 years. http://articles.latimes.com/2002/apr/28/news/mn-40471 (http://articles.latimes.com/2002/apr/28/news/mn-40471) http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/2003/07/09/99870-raids-on-state-s-hells-angels-yield-30-arrests-560-guns/ (http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/2003/07/09/99870-raids-on-state-s-hells-angels-yield-30-arrests-560-guns/) http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-11-19/travel/0611180344_1_clubhouse-sonny-barger-hell-s-angels-motorcycle-club (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-11-19/travel/0611180344_1_clubhouse-sonny-barger-hell-s-angels-motorcycle-club) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 20, 2015, 12:06:01 pm This is becoming a turf war similar to the one between the Mongols and Hells Angels in AZ/NV/CA area that has been brewing since the late 90's. It's a battle for control of drug trafficking, prostitution, firearms trafficking, drug manufacturing, murder for hire etc. Also it is believed that the Bandidos and others are working with the Mexican cartels as well which makes these turf wars even more important. The previous worst fight was at Harrah's in Laughlin NV in 2002 that led to numerous arrest and indictments over the next 3 years. Am wondering if there is an attempt going on to knit them all together in a loose alliance. Their website links to ABATE which was a fairly well focused political group for many years. Then they kind of got lost in the weeds..... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on May 20, 2015, 12:31:27 pm Am wondering if there is an attempt going on to knit them all together in a loose alliance. Their website links to ABATE which was a fairly well focused political group for many years. Then they kind of got lost in the weeds..... There is an alliance between the cartels and the OMG's. Los Zetas are linked to the Bandidos. http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/05/20/fbi-report-bandidos-biker-gang-allied-with-los-zetas-cartel/ (http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/05/20/fbi-report-bandidos-biker-gang-allied-with-los-zetas-cartel/) Interesting report on OMG and gangs in general around the US. I know people that work for this organization and this is a valid report based on LEO information. http://cryptocomb.org/RMIN%20Gangs%20Report.pdf (http://cryptocomb.org/RMIN%20Gangs%20Report.pdf) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on May 20, 2015, 04:59:36 pm Every patch I saw....Bandidos, Mongols, Cossacks, etc... are 1%'ers. You do understand what the means, don't you? CMA was not represented there. (Christian Motorcycle Association) Having said that, it is a very strange set of circumstances where someone got their foot rolled over so started a riot...? There is still more to this story. And very real civil rights issues... Some Christian groups were there (didnt read CMA specifically) as well as groups made up of retired law enforcement, military, etc. Those arrested included a former police detective as well as a newscaster. http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20150519-2-bikers-who-didnt-attend-waco-summit-say-violence-wasnt-planned.ece If the Texas Confederation of Clubs works like the one here in Oklahoma, they are mostly advocacy groups who also keep any feuding at bay. ...and I agree with Heroin Asparagus, this massacre is going to be a big civil rights issue in the coming weeks and months. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on May 20, 2015, 05:25:40 pm As gunfire broke out in the parking lot of a Texas restaurant, dozens of motorcycle riders ran inside seeking cover and tried to guide others to safety, security video reviewed exclusively by The Associated Press showed Wednesday. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-texas-biker-brawl-20150520-story.html http://www.agingrebel.com/12873 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 20, 2015, 09:20:12 pm There is an alliance between the cartels and the OMG's. Los Zetas are linked to the Bandidos. http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/05/20/fbi-report-bandidos-biker-gang-allied-with-los-zetas-cartel/ (http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/05/20/fbi-report-bandidos-biker-gang-allied-with-los-zetas-cartel/) Interesting report on OMG and gangs in general around the US. I know people that work for this organization and this is a valid report based on LEO information. I think what I am pondering there is not so much that type of alliance - Cossacks were planning on joining one of the others (forgot which one and too lazy right now to look it up...doesn't really matter.) More along the lines of an agreement to work together on specific fundamental points or items of interest. Along the lines of the mid-century Mafia, or the European Union. Not as complete a joining as the various states to make the US. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on May 21, 2015, 02:10:37 pm I think what I am pondering there is not so much that type of alliance - More along the lines of an agreement to work together on specific fundamental points or items of interest. Along the lines of the mid-century Mafia, or the European Union. Not as complete a joining as the various states to make the US. ‘Criminal Meeting’ of Bikers in Waco was Actually Organized Political Gathering. The group that met was the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents (CoC&I) and a look at that group’s website and history gives a very different impression of the group’s purpose and goals than what has been said repeatedly by Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton. "If thirty guys were fighting who were the other 140 that were arrested? The Christian Ministries, the Veterans Clubs, and everyone else who attended a COC meeting aimed at keeping bikers safe, biker legislation, and scheduling biker events? So now your local motorcycle minister is locked up on a 1 million dollar bond." Eyewitness reports are beginning to paint a very different picture than that the official version from the Waco police. http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/05/21/criminal-meeting-of-bikers-in-waco-was-actually-organized-political-gathering/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on May 21, 2015, 03:14:07 pm So where did the ~1000 weapons (guns, knives, brass knuckles, chains etc) come from? Or is that a misreporting of the facts?
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on May 21, 2015, 04:00:40 pm So where did the ~1000 weapons (guns, knives, brass knuckles, chains etc) come from? Or is that a misreporting of the facts? http://abcnews.go.com/US/inside-twin-peaks-breaking-happened-waco-biker-brawl/story?id=31204067 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 21, 2015, 04:46:48 pm ‘Criminal Meeting’ of Bikers in Waco was Actually Organized Political Gathering. The group that met was the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents (CoC&I) and a look at that group’s website and history gives a very different impression of the group’s purpose and goals than what has been said repeatedly by Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton. "If thirty guys were fighting who were the other 140 that were arrested? The Christian Ministries, the Veterans Clubs, and everyone else who attended a COC meeting aimed at keeping bikers safe, biker legislation, and scheduling biker events? So now your local motorcycle minister is locked up on a 1 million dollar bond." Eyewitness reports are beginning to paint a very different picture than that the official version from the Waco police. http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/05/21/criminal-meeting-of-bikers-in-waco-was-actually-organized-political-gathering/ Wouldn't surprise me if there were a police 'agenda' going on here, too. From the past, activities with ABATE showed that there were some law enforcement types - a lot of them county sheriff deputies - who were shall we say, less than sympathetic to the political goals of that organization. Gotta give credit to TPD - after the first couple of years, they were very helpful with events like the Toy Run. And the National Guard made the armory available for several years of bike show. Many of the motorcycle officers attended, too. May as well put in a plug.... http://abateok.clubexpress.com/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on May 21, 2015, 07:04:13 pm Wouldn't surprise me if there were a police 'agenda' going on here, too. From the past, activities with ABATE showed that there were some law enforcement types - a lot of them county sheriff deputies - who were shall we say, less than sympathetic to the political goals of that organization. Under Civil forfeiture, your property is guilty until proven innocent. Throughout Monday night and Tuesday morning, authorities worked to tow 135 motorcycles — many worth close to $20,000 — and 80 vehicles to process them for evidence. Swanton said the tow trucks were being “heavily escorted” by SWAT teams for security. He said some of the motorcycles will be sold at auction. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 22, 2015, 06:48:42 pm So where did the ~1000 weapons (guns, knives, brass knuckles, chains etc) come from? Or is that a misreporting of the facts? Just as the story about bikers having a "green light" to kill anyone in uniform, the spokesman simply made it up. I had to LOL at this: No reporter bothered to ask Swanton how many of those weapons found inside the steak house were steak knives. http://www.agingrebel.com/12894 Then there's the $1 Million bond for each of the 177 survivors police bussed off to a convention center for processing. The irony of that astronomical amount is you would have to be organized crime to afford it. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 23, 2015, 05:27:40 pm The cop that stood on an unarmed couple's car and shot them to death through their windshield, was found not guilty today. (http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/PJEz5QK1jd3GZSacR4xo3A--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTYwNTtpbD1wbGFuZTtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz05NjA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/18fc19934c95cc0f720f6a706700725b.jpg) CLEVELAND (AP) — His footprints were found on the hood of a beat-up Chevy Malibu that had been strafed by police gunfire, killing its two unarmed occupants after a chase over streets and freeways in and around Cleveland. Yet Officer Michael Brelo told investigators he couldn't remember standing on the hood and firing the final 15 rounds of a 137-shot barrage down into the windshield — even though a rookie cop told those same investigators that Brelo talked about it days afterward. "It's possible," Brelo allowed when questioned by investigators two weeks after the November 2012 shooting, "because I was so terrified that I was going to get run over." Brelo, 31, goes on trial Monday on two counts of voluntary manslaughter for the deaths of Timothy Russell, 43, and Malissa Williams, 30. He is the lone officer among the 13 who fired their weapons that night who is charged criminally because prosecutors say he stood on the hood and opened fire four seconds after the other officers had stopped shooting. The chase started with a failed traffic stop on the edge of downtown by a plainclothes detective who never reported to dispatchers that he'd lost sight of the vehicle. Later, when Russell drove past Cleveland police headquarters, his car backfired. Officers and witnesses standing outside were certain they'd heard gunshots and a police radio call for shots fired triggered an adrenaline-fueled rush by officers to join the chase. Brelo and his partner were two of the first officers to join the pursuit that ultimately included more than 60 police cars and 104 officers, some who reached speeds at least 100 mph. Another officer, who said he feared for his life, opened fire, prompting others including Brelo to do the same. Brelo and his partner fired 15 rounds through their own windshield and told investigators they saw dark objects in Russell's and Williams' hands. Brelo said he left his cruiser because he said he was afraid the Malibu would hit him, even though he then crossed in front of the car to climb on top of another cruiser and open fire again. "I had leapt trying to get out of the way of this car so it doesn't run me over and kill me," he told investigators. Investigators eventually concluded that neither Russell nor Williams had a gun. An exhaustive search was conducted along the route of the pursuit, including the use of a dive team to look in bodies of water, but no gun was ever found. While Brelo claimed not to remember jumping on the hood, prosecutors have evidence to show that he did. Investigators from the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation found footprints on the hood of the Malibu that matched a set found on the trunk and roof of a police car that Brelo had climbed on top of to fire from behind the light bar. A rookie police officer assigned to the same district as Brelo told investigators that he stopped firing after "someone" jumped on the hood of the Malibu. Officer Brian Sabolik said he later learned it was Brelo. Asked how he found out, Sabolik said: "Because (Brelo) was talking about it." Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Jammie on May 25, 2015, 09:30:51 am I'd posted this in another section of the forum and was glad to find there was discussion on this because I find it so very sad and unfair.
Once again an officer is free to go who was involved in shooting into a vehicle that carried two human beings. As if 122 shots weren't enough, he had to play big boy and get on the hood and shoot straight into their windshield 15 times. I can't imagine what the victims looked like by the time the savages were done with their play time. All of this because their car backfired and the police THOUGHT they were shooting out of their vehicle? As far as fleeing from the police, if I was a different color, I'd more then likely run from them, too. Just so sad and this has to stop Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 25, 2015, 09:50:07 pm Once again an officer is free to go who was involved in shooting into a vehicle that carried two human beings. As if 122 shots weren't enough, he had to play big boy and get on the hood and shoot straight into their windshield 15 times. I can't imagine what the victims looked like by the time the savages were done with their play time. All of this because their car backfired and the police THOUGHT they were shooting out of their vehicle? As far as fleeing from the police, if I was a different color, I'd more then likely run from them, too. Just so sad and this has to stop Double standard: Prosecutors couldnt determine which of the 137 bullets fired by the 104 police officers were actually fatal rounds, when a completely opposite standard is being applied to the 170 being held on $1 Million bond (each) for a shooting in Waco. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Jammie on May 31, 2015, 06:58:49 am They'll come up with any excuse to protect their own. I guess we can call them, "Team players."
Here's an interesting article that mentions the shooting in Tulsa and the four incidents of police shootings in OKC. Of course, there have been many more and they expect there to be at least 1,000 if this continues. I agree with the theory that this isn't escalating, but has always gone unreported or under reported. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fatal-police-shootings-in-2015-approaching-400-nationwide/ar-BBkr9Oc?li=BBieTUX One part of this story is especially heartbreaking. I'm sure LaVall's mother wishes she'd have just let her disturbed son stand out in the cold vs. calling the police. "In Miami Gardens, Fla., Catherine Daniels called 911 when she couldn’t persuade her son, Lavall Hall, a 25-year-old black man, to come in out of the cold early one morning in February. A diagnosed schizophrenic who stood 5-foot-4 and weighed barely 120 pounds, Hall was wearing boxer shorts and an undershirt and waving a broomstick when police arrived. They tried to stun him with a Taser gun and then shot him." Miami Gardens Police Department via Goldberg & Rosen For anyone who is interested in the injustices that have finally been coming to light the last few years, last night's episode of 48 Hrs. Mysteries on CBS is a "must see." Brevard Co., Florida prosecutor had quite a history of railroading people just so he can claim a win. Sad and pathetic! Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 31, 2015, 06:03:06 pm Here's an interesting article that mentions the shooting in Tulsa and the four incidents of police shootings in OKC. Of course, there have been many more and they expect there to be at least 1,000 if this continues. I agree with the theory that this isn't escalating, but has always gone unreported or under reported. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fatal-police-shootings-in-2015-approaching-400-nationwide/ar-BBkr9Oc?li=BBieTUX One part of this story is especially heartbreaking. I'm sure LaVall's mother wishes she'd have just let her disturbed son stand out in the cold vs. calling the police. "In Miami Gardens, Fla., Catherine Daniels called 911 when she couldn’t persuade her son, Lavall Hall, a 25-year-old black man, to come in out of the cold early one morning in February. A diagnosed schizophrenic who stood 5-foot-4 and weighed barely 120 pounds, Hall was wearing boxer shorts and an undershirt and waving a broomstick when police arrived. They tried to stun him with a Taser gun and then shot him." Miami Gardens Police Department via Goldberg & Rosen For anyone who is interested in the injustices that have finally been coming to light the last few years, last night's episode of 48 Hrs. Mysteries on CBS is a "must see." Brevard Co., Florida prosecutor had quite a history of railroading people just so he can claim a win. Sad and pathetic! Not counting Taser deaths, or those from tear gas, choke-holds, positional asphyxia, beating, bludgeoning, or being run over by police cars... In the first five months of 2015, US police forces fatally shot at least 385 people, The Washington Post reports. That's more than two people per day, and more than double the amount of police killings on record for the last decade. http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/31/8694729/police-fatal-killings-america-per-year-fbi-database Dozens of other people also died while fleeing from police, The Post analysis shows, including a significant proportion — 20 percent — of those who were unarmed. Running is such a provocative act that police experts say there is a name for the injury officers inflict on suspects afterward: a “foot tax.” Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 31, 2015, 06:05:40 pm That's so sad! The poor guy's offense was sleeping and being nearly deaf! They can always use the excuse, "I feared for my life." That's always worked for them in the past. This reminds me of the man who was walking down the street with a pellet gun that he'd just bought. The officer supposedly yelled at him a few times and said he didn't comply so he shot him in the back several times, killing the man. While on the witness stand, they'd asked the shooter if there was any reason that the man didn't comply and the officer said there was no reason. They had video from local stores showing the man just before he was shot and he was wearing ear buds, but when more responders arrived, the buds were in his pocket. You just have to wonder who put them there. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-shooting-jermaine-mcbean-florida-headphones-n366386 They not only conspired to lie, they gave the deputy a bravery medal. Sound familiar? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Breadburner on June 01, 2015, 09:39:03 am CjC II in full effect in this thread.....!!!
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on June 08, 2015, 09:50:30 pm Throwdown: Officer Slager plants a weapon next to the body of his victim: (http://i.imgur.com/DTYSXXC.gif) Grand Jury: "It Was Murder" http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/walter-scott-shooting/walter-scott-shooting-grand-jury-returns-murder-indictment-against-cop-n371626 ...all thanks to a video police didn't know about. Another "video cops didn't know about" broke the chain of lies in the recent Waco Massacre: Quote Police thought they had the only copy of the surveillance video from the Texas restaurant where gunfire erupted, killing nine people. They werent concerned that the video contradicted their version of events in Waco, because no one would ever see it... but as officials at the headquarters of the Twin Peaks chain became dismayed at the dishonest portrayal of events there, they invited the Associated Press to view their secure copy of the video, preserved on corporate servers police couldnt reach in time to seize. As witnesses to the shooting trickle out of jail, the common theme of a single man shooting another in the arm (triggering a fusillade of assault rifle fire from ATF and SWAT) contrasts sharply with the colorful narrative of police bravely stopping an all-out biker war. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on June 09, 2015, 01:39:34 pm Another "video cops didn't know about" broke the chain of lies in the recent Waco Massacre: Link? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Jammie on June 14, 2015, 03:17:30 pm This may not be the proper place for this, but I wanted to share this with you. This may be one incident where the police acted properly. Too bad the social workers or anyone else previously involved weren't doing the same.
http://www.heraldstaronline.com/page/content.detail/id/867189/The-Latest--Dallas-PD-shooting-suspect-had-violent-history.html?isap=1&nav=5029 This man was more then likely a paranoid schizophrenic and in one of these two links, it tells how his brother tried to get help for him, but no one listened. http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crime/2015/06/13/james-boulware-dpd-attack-criminal-history/71168314/ Trying to choke your own Mother? That should've set off bells in the world of those who should've been concerned and acted previously. Now I sort of have compassion for the man since he had some pretty huge issues. Title: Re: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on June 17, 2015, 06:24:49 pm I'd be happy if Denton were assigned to a tiny desk in a back room and never allowed on the street again. He'd have an in-box and an out-box, but the in-box would always be empty. Well, he wasn't. OWASSO — An Owasso police officer who was fired in 2011 for violating the department's use-of-force policy — and later reinstated — is again the target of excessive force allegations, the officer's attorney said Wednesday. Mike Denton, who rejoined the police force in September, has been placed on paid administrative leave while the Police Department investigates the new allegations, Denton's attorney, Pat Hunt, said. Owasso police officers participated in a vehicle pursuit that ended near Nowata on Sunday. The driver turns east into a field at the end of the pursuit and is surrounded by several officers, one of whom breaks the driver's side window. Soon afterward, a different officer can be seen thrusting the barrel of a rifle through that window about six times. After the driver is removed from the vehicle, the same officer is shown slamming the butt end of the weapon about half a dozen times toward a target that is obstructed from (dashcam) view. http://www.tulsaworld.com/communities/owasso/news/suspended-owasso-police-officer-is-same-one-fired-in-for/article_d536d7e6-eb3c-54ef-97fc-e43e1586766e.html Title: Re: Post by: Ed W on June 19, 2015, 09:01:01 am I understand he didn't hit the suspect with the butt of the shotgun. He used the barrel. More video may be available.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DTowner on June 19, 2015, 09:45:26 am This is an unfortunate situation where Owasso tried to do the right thing and fire this guy, only to be forced to rehire him. I suspect that if they had assigned him to a desk back at HQ, he would have sued for retaliation and won. Now Owasso will be paying to settle another case. Hopefully, Owasso will fire him again and this time it will stick.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on June 19, 2015, 08:59:15 pm This is an unfortunate situation where Owasso tried to do the right thing and fire this guy, only to be forced to rehire him. I suspect that if they had assigned him to a desk back at HQ, he would have sued for retaliation and won. Now Owasso will be paying to settle another case. Hopefully, Owasso will fire him again and this time it will stick. Multiple videos are emerging (while we're still waiting to see OHP's dashcams of the water rescue killing last month). Interesting how that works. http://www.fox23.com/videos/news/nowata-police-department-dash-cam-video/vDT9CS Owasso deserves credit for making a good-faith effort the first time around, though. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on June 20, 2015, 07:23:43 am Multiple videos are emerging (while we're still waiting to see OHP's dashcams of the water rescue killing last month). Interesting how that works. http://www.fox23.com/videos/news/nowata-police-department-dash-cam-video/vDT9CS Owasso deserves credit for making a good-faith effort the first time around, though. How appropriate that "Let's Dance" by David Bowie is playing in the Officers car. I liked Officer Farva showing up late to the scene pulling his pants up and then getting a celebratory slap on the chest like he had done something. I'm pretty sure the barrel end of that shotgun kinda smarts against the skull. That video would make a great candidate for the Bad Lip Reading guys. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on June 21, 2015, 08:14:14 pm What happens when the police unions stir up so much paranoia that every cop "doing what they need to make it home at night" sees guns in everyone's hand?
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-man-with-towel-on-arm-shot-in-head-by-lapd-20150620-story.html http://www.inquisitr.com/2189746/l-a-police-cops-shoot-head-handcuff/ "In the minds of the officers, they believed he was pointing a weapon at them." Footage from the scene shows the officers attempting to handcuff him, despite the man behind the camera claiming to be able to "see his brain". The witness told journalists that "his left eye was hanging out.” [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjaZnUzMeiI[/youtube] Shoot first, ask questions later. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on June 22, 2015, 07:40:13 am What happens when the police unions stir up so much paranoia that every cop "doing what they need to make it home at night" sees guns in everyone's hand? http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-man-with-towel-on-arm-shot-in-head-by-lapd-20150620-story.html http://www.inquisitr.com/2189746/l-a-police-cops-shoot-head-handcuff/ "In the minds of the officers, they believed he was pointing a weapon at them." Footage from the scene shows the officers attempting to handcuff him, despite the man behind the camera claiming to be able to "see his brain". The witness told journalists that "his left eye was hanging out.” [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjaZnUzMeiI[/youtube] Shoot first, ask questions later. Whew. That's a relief. He wasn't Black. We'll never hear of this again. ::) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on June 27, 2015, 07:17:34 pm Whew. That's a relief. He wasn't Black. We'll never hear of this again. ::) An appeals court ruled Wednesday that a Tulsa County sheriff’s deputy who shot an unarmed man will have to face an excessive-force lawsuit. The 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 3-0 against Deputy Lamont Hill’s claim that he is immune from the lawsuit, which stems from a domestic disturbance call in 2010. The caller to 911 said the man, Donald Francis King, was making threats. Hill shot King outside his home in the 7400 block of North Iroquois Avenue. The Denver-based court, in a 19-page decision, ruled that “the law was clearly established that an officer could not shoot an unarmed man who did not pose any actual threat to the officer or to others.” “We conclude … that a reasonable officer in Deputy Hill’s circumstances would have understood that shooting Mr. King was unconstitutional deadly force in violation of the Fourth Amendment,” the judges wrote. The court pointed to conflicting versions of what occurred, including apparent discrepancies in Hill’s accounts of the event. In one account, Hill said he was in fear for his life. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/courts/excessive-force-lawsuit-can-proceed-against-tulsa-county-deputy-appeals/article_4c2a1635-d0f8-5281-bd6a-1f18b9de20a4.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on June 29, 2015, 07:08:07 am Wow. An incident from 2010. Glad the victim was able to get swift Judicial action.
Oh sorry. After reading that. It looks like it might still be going on. Feet dragging much? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on July 11, 2015, 07:29:13 pm We're Number One Again YAY !!
Oklahoma top state in 2015 police fatal shootings per capita Recent analyses by two national publications, including The Washington Post, of fatal encounters with United States law enforcement in 2015 have concluded Oklahoma has the highest amount of such incidents per capita and is a top 5 state in police-involved fatalities this year. Police union attorney Gary James blames “a lack of respect” for people in uniform for the deaths of people in custody. “There’s no respect for what these guys do day in and day out,” James said. “I don’t think anyone understands. The law is not completely clear in every state and federal jurisdiction ... you’re asking a police officer to make a judgment call in seconds.” http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/oklahoma-top-state-in-police-fatal-shootings-per-capita/article_464574ef-c5ec-58be-8fbe-ff4c40974de9.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Breadburner on July 12, 2015, 05:49:51 pm Act of kindness by OKC police goes viral
0 7 1 10 OKLAHOMA CITY, Okla. — A couple of Oklahoma City police officers have gone viral for giving a helping hand to a woman on her 75th birthday. According to OKCPD, officer responded to a call of a distressed woman sitting in a wheelchair near the street in the 5800 block of West Reno Ave. When officers arrived, the woman, known as Ms. Carroll, was visibly upset and said her motorized wheelchair broken down while on her way to buy a cake for her 75th birthday. She told the officers she was upset that her birthday was ruined because the wheelchair was her only means of transportation. Officers Amy Hanson and Travis Vernier then loaded up the wheelchair and took the woman to the supermarket where they bought her a cake and took her home to celebrate. Anyone interested in a birthday card can do so through OKCPD at the following address: Oklahoma City Police Department - See more at: http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/act-kindness-okc-police-goes-viral/nmxhr/#sthash.KAPMYvbV.dpuf Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Jammie on July 16, 2015, 10:54:50 am We're Number One Again YAY !! Oklahoma top state in 2015 police fatal shootings per capita Recent analyses by two national publications, including The Washington Post, of fatal encounters with United States law enforcement in 2015 have concluded Oklahoma has the highest amount of such incidents per capita and is a top 5 state in police-involved fatalities this year. Police union attorney Gary James blames “a lack of respect” for people in uniform for the deaths of people in custody. “There’s no respect for what these guys do day in and day out,” James said. “I don’t think anyone understands. The law is not completely clear in every state and federal jurisdiction ... you’re asking a police officer to make a judgment call in seconds.” http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/oklahoma-top-state-in-police-fatal-shootings-per-capita/article_464574ef-c5ec-58be-8fbe-ff4c40974de9.html That really surprises me! If I were to make a guess at who is number 1 in that category, I'd have guessed Texas. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Jammie on July 16, 2015, 10:55:38 am Act of kindness by OKC police goes viral 0 7 1 10 OKLAHOMA CITY, Okla. — A couple of Oklahoma City police officers have gone viral for giving a helping hand to a woman on her 75th birthday. According to OKCPD, officer responded to a call of a distressed woman sitting in a wheelchair near the street in the 5800 block of West Reno Ave. When officers arrived, the woman, known as Ms. Carroll, was visibly upset and said her motorized wheelchair broken down while on her way to buy a cake for her 75th birthday. She told the officers she was upset that her birthday was ruined because the wheelchair was her only means of transportation. Officers Amy Hanson and Travis Vernier then loaded up the wheelchair and took the woman to the supermarket where they bought her a cake and took her home to celebrate. Anyone interested in a birthday card can do so through OKCPD at the following address: Oklahoma City Police Department - See more at: http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/act-kindness-okc-police-goes-viral/nmxhr/#sthash.KAPMYvbV.dpuf Once again, the 1% are making the 99% look good. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on July 18, 2015, 05:06:21 pm OKLAHOMA CITY, Okla. — A couple of Oklahoma City police officers have gone viral for giving a helping hand to a woman on her 75th birthday. Well that self-serving PR fluff sure put the critics of bad policing in their place. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on July 20, 2015, 07:11:57 pm Owasso's favorite parasite cop cashes in
(http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/00/300dc345-0262-5287-aaf9-6e993f0468db/54e3f2dba5142.image.jpg) http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/arbitrator-awards-interest-payment-of-more-than-to-terminated-then/article_90214009-9119-5a83-8058-49429923234d.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on July 21, 2015, 07:51:22 am Good for him. And good for the FOP. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on July 21, 2015, 06:48:17 pm Good for him. And good for the FOP. Sick. Dashcam Video Shows Troopers Arrest of Sandra Bland Bogus http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sandra-bland-threatened-with-taser-by-officer-making-arrest_55aec02be4b0a9b94852e3b6 "I'm going to yank you out of here," he shouts as he leans into her open car door. "I will light you up," he says shortly afterward with his Taser in his hand. "You're doing all this for a failure to signal?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf8GR3OO9mU 'Get Out of the Car': Sandra Bland's Family Attorney Reveals New Details of Arrest https://news.vice.com/article/get-out-of-the-car-sandra-blands-family-attorney-reveals-new-details-of-arrest Sandra Bland, a 28-year-old black woman, was pulled over by police in Waller County, Texas, on July 10 for failing to use her turn signal when she changed lanes. During the traffic stop, she was arrested for being "uncooperative." Three days later she was found dead in her jail cell, in what authorities said was an apparent suicide by asphyxiation. The local district attorney said that Bland had evidently hung herself using a trash bag. The Texas Rangers and the FBI are currently investigating the circumstances around her death. Last Friday, the Department of Public Safety said that it had assigned the officer who stopped Bland to desk duty, noting that it had "identified violations of the department's procedures regarding traffic stops and the department's courtesy policy." Cannon Lambert, an attorney for Bland family, said on Monday that police dash cam footage of the traffic stop showed that the encounter took a turn after Bland refused the officer's request that she put out her cigarette. "Why do I have to put out a cigarette when I'm in my own car?" Bland asked, according to an account that Lambert gave to NBC News. "And that seemed to irritate him to the point where he said, 'Get out of the car.' " Lambert said that because Bland wasn't comfortable exiting her vehicle, the officer "looked to force her to get out of the car by way of opening the door and started demanding that she do" — though the attorney noted that it wasn't clear why she should have to exit her car during a routine traffic stop. Video footage of Bland's arrest shot by a bystander and posted to YouTube on Wednesday shows two officers restraining her on the ground as she yells loudly about the police using excessive force. She can be heard saying, "You just slammed my head into the ground. Do you not even care about that? I can't even hear." The Waller County Jail has a history of violations in which it was cited for inmate suicides in 2012 and earlier this year, and for an inmate escape in 2014. On Thursday, the Texas Commission of Jail Standards issued a "notice of non-compliance" against the jail, citing insufficient staff training and the monitoring of inmates. One day after Bland's death, an 18-year-old black girl named Kindra Chapman died in a similar incident in Alabama. She had been accused of robbing a cellphone and was arrested on a charge of first-degree robbery, and allegedly hung herself in jail. The deaths of Bland and Chapman helped launch the Twitter hashtag #IfIDieInPoliceCustody, designed to draw attention to police brutality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYim6pDZV0Y Texas Sheriff Tried Confiscating Camera During Violent Arrest of Sandra Bland, 48 Hours Later She Died http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/07/texas-sheriff-tried-confiscating-camera-during-violent-arrest-of-sandra-bland-48-hours-later-she-died/ http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/07/ten-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-sandra-bland-case/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on July 21, 2015, 07:49:52 pm Sick. Unfortunately, it will take numerous events like this to awaken the public to the need to hold public servants to a higher standard. Enough instances like this and change might happen. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on July 22, 2015, 11:24:06 am Sandra Bland, a 28-year-old black woman, was pulled over by police in Waller County, Texas, on July 10 for failing to use her turn signal when she changed lanes. During the traffic stop, she was arrested for being "uncooperative." Three days later she was found dead in her jail cell It looks like some communities are not as tolerant of edited dashcam video as Okies are. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sandra-bland-dashcam-video-may-have-been-edited/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Jammie on July 25, 2015, 04:59:12 am I would guess their behavior hasn't changed. What has changed is the fact that people are getting braver and daring speak out against the violence and injustice they'd have gotten by with in the past. All of the videos showing their dirty deeds isn't helping them either and I imagine they wish the phones/recorders would just go away so they can continue their abuse so they can feel like real men. Thankfully, I haven't encountered many who are like that.
I don't remember if I shared this link with you, but when I grow up, I want to be just like the officer in this story. The compassion and forgiveness of this officer is something we could all strive for. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/viral-photo-black-officer-helping-white-supremacist-kkk-shirt-heat/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on July 25, 2015, 05:00:19 pm It looks like some communities are not as tolerant of edited dashcam video as Okies are. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sandra-bland-dashcam-video-may-have-been-edited/ The state trooper that stopped Bland created the circumstances of the stop by employing an old technique often used here: Riding her bumper and exploiting her reaction, which was to pull out of his way (but not using a turn signal). From there, it was escalate, escalate, escalate. It was his criminal actions that ultimately led to her death in much the same way the "Felony Murder" laws here make another person liable for a death caused by a cop hitting an innocent bystander. Suicide or not, Bland was in jail illegally, not under any sort of suicide watch, nor even the required supervision. When someone dies as a result of bullying, it should be a crime. Same goes for the two OHP troopers that taunted the pastor before they found themselves "needing" to kill him -- neither of them should be wearing a badge. Why did the confrontation escalate out of control? Not because Bland violated the laws of Texas, but because the cop felt unconstrained by them. The only reason police brutality has come to light via video cameras is that some officers are so used to committing it that they never dream of being held to account. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-sandra-bland-texas-trooper-encinia-suicide-perspec-0726-jm-20150724-column.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 27, 2015, 08:48:31 am He will probably get away with murder.
Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on July 27, 2015, 06:50:11 pm Police don't like these people and don't tolerate much from them. I understand their reasons. However, authority is best used as a shield, not as a weapon. Homeless Woman Who Picked Up Dropped Police Baton May Go To Prison For Life http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/23/homeless-woman-faces-life-for-picking-up-baton.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jhEY_NfXJU Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on August 01, 2015, 04:59:39 pm One police body camera shows a murder, the other two bodycams show fellow officers concocting the cover story.
Its like they dont even care about the cameras -- they must have believed no one would ever see the video, or that the video would go to a lab to be doctored like we do in Oklahoma. Anyone who might still be harboring doubts about the effectiveness (and necessity) of police body cameras need only watch what spewed out of the camera attached to University of Cincinnati police officer Ray Tensing, who was arraigned on a murder charge today. The recording of Officer Tensing, who is white, fatally shooting an unarmed Sam Dubose, who is black, during a routine traffic stop is nothing short of horrific. That there exists a "blue wall of silence" when it comes to police officers and their unwillingness to get a fellow officer in trouble is not surprising. But to do so when they know a body camera is capturing the event as well as their conversations afterward? That suggests either rampant stupidity or a behavior that is so ingrained as to equal a criminal enterprise. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-cincinnati-20150730-story.html Did the other officers lie 'just because'... http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2015/0730/Cincinnati-shooting-tests-blue-wall-of-silence ...or maybe they were just returning the favor? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/samuel-dubose-officers-sued_55baa370e4b0d4f33a023260 University of Cincinnati Officer's Bodycam Was Crucial to Murder Indictment http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cincinnati-cop-ray-tensing-pleads-not-guilty-shooting-death-samuel-n400926 A different bodycam shows the other officers inventing the cover story http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/07/30/sam_dubose_murder_phillip_kidd_and_david_lindenschmidt_suspended_after_backing.html the body cameras of other officers—made public on Thursday—show just how quickly police coalesced around a false narrative of how the incident occurred. The footage should serve as a powerful lesson to anyone who automatically believes the accounts of police officers in these types of shooting incidents, for which cops are rarely prosecuted. Cincinnati prosecutor who charged cop: 'When I indict a murderer, I don't pull punches' http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-cincinnati-prosecutor-20150730-story.html “But in the cop’s defense — he thought he could get away with it.” http://www.salon.com/2015/07/31/larry_wilmores_brutal_response_to_the_latest_horrific_police_shooting_in_the_cop%E2%80%99s_defense_he_thought_he_could_get_away_with_it/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on August 03, 2015, 06:51:29 am “But in the cop’s defense — he thought he could get away with it.”[/i] http://www.salon.com/2015/07/31/larry_wilmores_brutal_response_to_the_latest_horrific_police_shooting_in_the_cop%E2%80%99s_defense_he_thought_he_could_get_away_with_it/ Comedy Central? As a news source? Cited in your argument? Quit drinking bleach. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Hoss on August 03, 2015, 06:55:41 am Comedy Central? As a news source? Cited in your argument? Quit drinking bleach. Likely a better source than some... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on August 03, 2015, 07:18:36 am http://www.theonion.com/r/50674 CHICAGO—In an effort to expand its congested facilities to better meet the department’s staffing needs, the Chicago Police Department announced Tuesday the construction of a new addition to its headquarters that will allow it to accommodate officers who have been placed on desk duty due to allegations of misconduct. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on August 03, 2015, 01:20:01 pm http://www.theonion.com/r/50674 CHICAGO—In an effort to expand its congested facilities to better meet the department’s staffing needs, the Chicago Police Department announced Tuesday the construction of a new addition to its headquarters that will allow it to accommodate officers who have been placed on desk duty due to allegations of misconduct. Funny, in a sad way. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/06/chicago-torture-reparations_n_7225938.html Chicago City Council on Wednesday unanimously approved a landmark ordinance that sets aside $5.5 million in reparations for victims of police torture ... victims of Burge and his "midnight crew," were subjected to beatings, suffocation, electrocution and other abuse in order to force their confessions. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on August 03, 2015, 05:46:49 pm ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — A "paramilitary response" by police in New Mexico unnecessarily escalated an encounter last year that ended when two officers unlawfully opened fire and killed a homeless man despite signs that he wanted to surrender, a special prosecutor said Monday.
The prosecutor said the shooting occurred after 19 officers armed with a total of more than 700 rounds of ammunition surrounded Boyd for camping illegally in the foothills of the Sandia Mountains. http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/08/03/prosecutor-police-officers-unlawfully-opened-fire-in-death (http://theantimedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/james-boyd.png) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on August 06, 2015, 12:14:36 pm Wow! Watch this donkey hat with a gun.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3186904/Shocking-moment-Northern-California-officer-pulls-gun-man-recording-cellphone.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on August 06, 2015, 06:33:23 pm Quote One police body camera shows a murder, the other two bodycams show fellow officers concocting the cover story. Its like they dont even care about the cameras -- they must have believed no one would ever see the video, or that the video would go to a lab to be doctored like we do in Oklahoma. That there exists a "blue wall of silence" when it comes to police officers and their unwillingness to get a fellow officer in trouble is not surprising. But to do so when they know a body camera is capturing the event as well as their conversations afterward? That suggests either rampant stupidity or a behavior that is so ingrained as to equal a criminal enterprise. [/i] http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-cincinnati-20150730-story.html Just because a corrupt police tactic is outed as a lie doesnt mean they stop using it: South Carolina officer shoots unarmed white teen during pot bust Nineteen-year-old Zachary Hammond was on a date July 26 when he was fatally shot twice by a police officer while at the back parking lot of a Hardee's. The Seneca Police Department said the officer was conducting a drug investigation and shot Hammond in self-defense. "He was a uniformed officer, he was in a marked vehicle, was out of his vehicle on foot approaching the suspect vehicle -- weapon drawn given it was a narcotics type violation," Seneca Police Chief John Covington said to CNN. A small amount of marijuana was found in the front passenger's compartment in Hammond's car. "He was a 19-year-old, 121-pound kid killed basically for a joint," Bland said. "This is about the use of overreaching deadly force in situations where it is not required," Bland said. Police said the officer was attempting to arrest Hammond when the teen accelerated the car and drove toward the officer, prompting the officer to shoot in self-defense, but Bland said Hammond's wounds indicate the vehicle was not moving, and the teen was shot on the rear of his shoulder and on the side of his chest. The Hammond family commissioned an independent autopsy, which found the teen's gunshot wounds indicated he was shot from behind and at close range. "We will not be releasing the officer's name that was involved in the shooting and consider him a victim of attempted murder" Police said. http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/06/us/seneca-teen-dead-police-shooting/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on August 07, 2015, 09:49:49 am Wow! Watch this donkey hat with a gun. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3186904/Shocking-moment-Northern-California-officer-pulls-gun-man-recording-cellphone.html So the cop stopped and got out of his car for the sole purpose of getting confrontational with a guy with a camera? If the only consequences to that are a paid vacation.. why not. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on August 07, 2015, 12:34:46 pm "He was a 19-year-old, 121-pound kid killed basically for a joint" On Wednesday, Hammond’s family released the results of a private autopsy, which concluded that both bullets entered Hammond’s body from the back. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/06/an-unarmed-white-teen-was-shot-dead-by-police-his-family-asks-where-is-the-outrage/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on August 15, 2015, 07:06:46 pm Union Urges Police to 'Dont Hesitate Using Force'
Birmingham police Sgt. Heath Boackle, president of the Fraternal Order of Police, told AL.com. that the “boots-on-the-ground officers across this country are at war, and if we do not have the help of citizens and local governments to stand behind us, we’ll never win.” Friday an unnamed Birmingham detective, in plain clothes and an unmarked car, stopped a maroon 2012 GMC Yukon in the 9100 block of Parkway East in the Roebuck Plaza, and told the driver to stay in the SUV while he waited for a marked unit, police said. The driver questioned why he was being stopped and a physical confrontation followed. The detective issued a plea for all available help over the police radio at 11:15 a.m. and was rushed to UAB Hospital, with police blocking off downtown intersections to make way for the detective's arrival via ambulance. Boackle chalked up what happened to a widespread hesitancy among police to use force. “There is a saying that ‘he who hesitates is lost’ and that’s why [the detective] lost, because he hesitated,” he told AL.com. “If the officers on the streets were not in fear of losing their jobs, it wouldn’t have gotten to the point it did yesterday. Officers are second-guessing every move because they’re afraid they’re going to be judged, by the media and by the public.” Police were outraged when photos were published showing the detective lying face down on the pavement. (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/09/16/2B39E68200000578-3191174-image-m-13_1439132586833.jpg) Hypocrites. (https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/1380802564947833258.jpg) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on August 16, 2015, 06:54:46 pm According to the Officer Down Memorial Page, 24 police officers have died this year as a result of a deliberate shooting or assault (as opposed to an accident or heart attack).
In contrast: As of August 3, The Washington Post has tracked 570 fatal police shootings. More people were shot and killed by on-duty police officers in July than in any other month so far in 2015. At least 103 people were shot and killed by police officers last month, according to a Washington Post database tracking all fatal on-duty police shootings this year. That is 13 more fatal police shootings than March, the second most deadly month, during which 90 people were shot and killed by police. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/08/03/police-shot-and-killed-more-people-in-july-than-any-other-month-so-far-this-year/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Jammie on August 22, 2015, 01:38:25 pm According to the Officer Down Memorial Page, 24 police officers have died this year as a result of a deliberate shooting or assault (as opposed to an accident or heart attack). In contrast: As of August 3, The Washington Post has tracked 570 fatal police shootings. More people were shot and killed by on-duty police officers in July than in any other month so far in 2015. At least 103 people were shot and killed by police officers last month, according to a Washington Post database tracking all fatal on-duty police shootings this year. That is 13 more fatal police shootings than March, the second most deadly month, during which 90 people were shot and killed by police. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/08/03/police-shot-and-killed-more-people-in-july-than-any-other-month-so-far-this-year/ Sad, isn't it? I wonder if these numbers are actually higher then in the past or if there's just more accuracy in today's world. The fact that people are now feeling free to take pics/videos and sharing them with others even if it puts law enforcement in a bad light. This story is still controversial and a bit blurry, but yesterday's news story got my attention. http://www.newser.com/story/211688/teen-killed-by-st-louis-cops-was-shot-in-back.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on August 23, 2015, 06:49:55 pm Cops did this one right. Didn't arrest the father.
http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/455124/clifford-davis/2012-10-16/jacksonville-father-catches-peeping-tom-police-say (http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/premium_415_wide_scale/photos/blogs/64928/LOWERY%2C%20JAMES%20K.jpg) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: DolfanBob on August 24, 2015, 07:51:32 am Cops did this one right. Didn't arrest the father. http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/455124/clifford-davis/2012-10-16/jacksonville-father-catches-peeping-tom-police-say (http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/premium_415_wide_scale/photos/blogs/64928/LOWERY%2C%20JAMES%20K.jpg) Last I checked. A peeping Tom is a criminal act. If this man fell on the Fathers fist in his yard. Well so be it. I'm not exactly sure how you would protect your Daughter. But if this creep was lurking around my house looking in windows. To the best of my ability. This is how he would look. And I don't have a Daughter. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on August 24, 2015, 08:23:03 am Last I checked. A peeping Tom is a criminal act. If this man fell on the Fathers fist in his yard. Well so be it. I'm not exactly sure how you would protect your Daughter. But if this creep was lurking around my house looking in windows. To the best of my ability. This is how he would look. And I don't have a Daughter. I was just throwing off the bad cop vibe with some good cop action. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Jammie on September 01, 2015, 05:05:37 pm I was just throwing off the bad cop vibe with some good cop action. And there has always been a lot of good cops who did a lot of good things. There have also been a lot of bad cops who lack ethics and morals and just want to be big boys and bully/torment others. The problem is, they are protected by their peers, no matter what they do. Thankfully, they're now being outted for the horrible people they truly are. This is no different then protecting priests who are pedophiles. We just personally had an experience with our law enforcement and I always held them in high esteem. They were searching for a vehicle and an older family member of mine was the one who found the vehicle. The people had already fled, but the cops were told what street it was on and still couldn't find it. (Incident that happened to our neighbor.) How pathetic that an older person going to the store could see what they couldn't see and it was in plain sight. Today there is another story that should make everyone cautious. If you do a search on this same subject, you'll see that it has happened countless times. I love animals and I'm confused as to why the murder of a K-9 is punishable and the murder of a dog trying to protect his home/family slides by. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/01/georgia-police-shoot-man-kill-dog-wrong-house Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on September 02, 2015, 01:07:34 pm Similar situation happened in Tulsa not long ago. An off duty cop was walking his dog, a neighborhood dog ran over, rudely, to say hi. Officer calmly took out his firearm and shot the dog. When it staggered back into its yard he followed it and shot it again.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/witness-owners-of-dog-killed-by-off-duty-tulsa-police/article_400fc734-6d16-51cb-8748-e188852b8ab1.html The year before an off duty officer was "investigating" a noisy neighbor dog, who then "charged him" and he was force to put it down. https://www.facebook.com/DogsShotbyPolice/posts/587763534579348 Can you imagine what would happen if a police dog ran up to my dog and I shot it dead? Or if a police dog lived with my neighbor and was loud, so I "investigated it" by going into the dogs yard and then shot it dead... I'd probably be arrested and charged with murder. In the last 50 years there hasn't been a documented case where an officer was killed by a dog. About once an hour there is a documented incident where a cop kills someones pet. There were 6000 reported incidents with dogs by USPS employees last year, but they somehow managed to not kill any. In three years Buffalo police reported killing 92 pets, sometimes after breaking and entering into the wrong home: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-department-shot-92-dogs-years-officers-killed-25/ http://www.dogmurderers.com/ http://www.dailydot.com/politics/reddit-puppycide-police-dogs/ Not sure why they are so worried about dogs. Hundreds of people will be shot and killed by police this year... - - - - - - - Some are clearly disturbed and may have done bad things. But when you freeze and put your hands up, you shouldn't be shot by police. That's what the bad guys do in the movies: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/us/san-antonio-bexar-county-texas-police-shooting/ I mean, it sure is a lot harder to negotiate with a guy or subdue him than it is to just shoot him dead - but if their job was just to shoot people that were not cooperating, we could hire any old assclown to do the job. My favorite part - the police are OUTRAGED that someone released the video. People are now being mean to them on social media! Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on September 02, 2015, 01:37:33 pm Similar situation happened in Tulsa not long ago. An off duty cop was walking his dog, a neighborhood dog ran over, rudely, to say hi. Officer calmly took out his firearm and shot the dog. When it staggered back into its yard he followed it and shot it again. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/witness-owners-of-dog-killed-by-off-duty-tulsa-police/article_400fc734-6d16-51cb-8748-e188852b8ab1.html The year before an off duty officer was "investigating" a noisy neighbor dog, who then "charged him" and he was force to put it down. https://www.facebook.com/DogsShotbyPolice/posts/587763534579348 Can you imagine what would happen if a police dog ran up to my dog and I shot it dead? Or if a police dog lived with my neighbor and was loud, so I "investigated it" by going into the dogs yard and then shot it dead... I'd probably be arrested and charged with murder. In the last 50 years there hasn't been a documented case where an officer was killed by a dog. About once an hour there is a documented incident where a cop kills someones pet. There were 6000 reported incidents with dogs by USPS employees last year, but they somehow managed to not kill any. In three years Buffalo police reported killing 92 pets, sometimes after breaking and entering into the wrong home: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-department-shot-92-dogs-years-officers-killed-25/ http://www.dogmurderers.com/ http://www.dailydot.com/politics/reddit-puppycide-police-dogs/ Not sure why they are so worried about dogs. Hundreds of people will be shot and killed by police this year... - - - - - - - Some are clearly disturbed and may have done bad things. But when you freeze and put your hands up, you shouldn't be shot by police. That's what the bad guys do in the movies: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/us/san-antonio-bexar-county-texas-police-shooting/ I mean, it sure is a lot harder to negotiate with a guy or subdue him than it is to just shoot him dead - but if their job was just to shoot people that were not cooperating, we could hire any old assclown to do the job. My favorite part - the police are OUTRAGED that someone released the video. People are now being mean to them on social media! Absolute Madness. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-man-pulled-over-for-making-direct-eye-contact-with-officer/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/31/what-happened-after-an-officer-stopped-a-black-motorist-for-making-direct-eye-contact/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on September 03, 2015, 09:16:58 am Police Officer's are not ENTITLED to respect. But, unfortunately, when disrespected they are too frequently willing to violate constitutional right as a punishment to the citizen.
OBEY and like it. A police officer should be able to take a "stare down" from some passing motorist and move on as quickly as I can when some kid is making faces at me from the minivan in front of me... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 10, 2015, 01:38:02 pm I mean, it sure is a lot harder to negotiate with a guy or subdue him than it is to just shoot him dead - but if their job was just to shoot people that were not cooperating, we could hire any old assclown to do the job. My favorite part - the police are OUTRAGED that someone released the video. People are now being mean to them on social media! Too often, that is exactly what we do - hire any old assclown. Haven't checked for a month or so, but in July, we were up to a count of 24 police officers killed by bad guys this year. And 580 civilians killed by cops this year. And as we are seeing more and more, "hands up - don't shoot" doesn't stop the killing. Seems to be a little disparity there. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on September 10, 2015, 03:10:44 pm The other problem is that the police unions argue for and represent even the assclowns. Like that one in Owasso. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 11, 2015, 08:50:08 am The other problem is that the police unions argue for and represent even the assclowns. Like that one in Owasso. Circle those wagons!! Play to the agenda at all costs. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cynical on September 11, 2015, 09:46:38 am It's not quite that simple, but at the same time it is simpler. Assuming that the FOP operates under the same legal standard as any other union, the FOP owes every member of the bargaining unit the legal "duty of fair representation." It really doesn't matter whether the FOP leadership, the community, or the members of the TulsaNow Forum approve of the member's actions. The FOP will provide representation whenever a member of the bargaining unit is subjected to disciplinary proceedings. The proceedings become just another legal action with facts being filtered through legal standards regardless of the politics.
The FOP is not there to seek truth, justice, and the American Way. It is there to represent police officers - collectively when bargaining for a collective bargaining agreement, and individually when disciplinary proceedings are brought. That's why the wagons seem to always be circled. The entire thing is structured that way. It's the law. If you've been following the continuing saga of the TCSO, you may have noticed that there have been no arbitrations brought in response to the various demotions and terminations of deputies. County sheriff's department are an entirely different environment because under Oklahoma law they can't engage in collective bargaining. There is no bargaining unit and no FOP representation. Circle those wagons!! Play to the agenda at all costs. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on September 11, 2015, 10:09:51 am I do not begrudge anyone representation. But when you are dealing with potential criminal matters granting union members special rights is ridiculous. Next time you are involved in a shooting incident politely ask to go home for 72 hours before they can confront you or ask questions about it. Ask for your representative to be present in any grand jury investigation. Next time you are pulled over ask to talk to your attorney before you blow for your BAC. Etc. etc. etc.
The FOP does and SHOULD provide defense for officers. Their job is to advocate for the officers. But there should be push back. Our system has become so one sided - it is slanted in favor of the government not the citizen. The officer gets special treatment, special rules, and can even get back pay when he was fired for beating a guy in custody. The prosecutor gets deference and can easily railroad the public defenders office (how many prosecutors are judges, how many public defenders?. No one wants to push back and seen to be "on the side" of the "bad guys" If you question an official version of events without video evidence, your chided. Hell, even with video evidence - many people don't care. The police are beating up and murdering bad guys, they must be bad, or they wouldn't be getting mistreated by police. Officials need to stand up and say "no way. If you shoot someone on duty you need to give a recorded statement as soon as possible. You do not get 72 hours to talk to a union rep before giving a statement of facts." Judges need to say "this warrant has no basis, denied." When officials let the FOP write the rules, and judges approve ~99% of warrants --- there aren't really checks and balances. The Executive branch of the government can just do as it pleases. BIG GOVERNMENT is always a concern for conservatives, unless it is police power... then we don't care. - - - - - - - - In the South Carolina case, where the guy is shot in the back as he runs away... Defense Attorneys and Prosecutors spent hours arguing about bond yesterday. This is interesting for two reasons: 1) We abuse bond in this country. Bond should be set based on a) how likely the suspect is to appear for trial and b) how dangerous the suspect is likely to be to the public. Bond is NOT pre-trial punishment. The accused is innocent until proven guilty. So if he is likely to appear for trial and unlikely to be dangerous, bond should be set at an affordable level. This officer's bond should be set at an affordable level, no matter how guilty it appears he is. 2) They spent much time talking about what the video "didn't show." They argue that the dead guy was beating the officer up before the videos started. IT DOESN'T MATTER. Who cares how guilty it appears the guy is, that isn't part of the test. Also --- it doesn't matter what the dead guy was doing before the incident happened. Taken as true, pretending that the dead guy had beaten the officers to death --- you still can't shoot him in the back as he runs away. Why didn't either the prosecutor or the judge point out the irrelevance of the entire show? [edit]painful spelling error corrected...[/edit] Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on September 11, 2015, 11:04:41 am When officials let the FOP right the rules They literally do that. Once upon a time it was "we dont make the laws we just enforce them" but that is no longer true with the big unions and lobbyists actually writing the law in so-called "requested legislation" form, ready to have a lawmakers name attached... and what lawmaker will say no to being on the side of "law and order?" 1) We abuse bond in this country. Bond should be set based on a) how likely the suspect is to appear for trial and b) how dangerous the suspect is likely to be to the public. Bond is NOT pre-trial punishment. The accused is innocent until proven guilty. So if he is likely to appear for trial and unlikely to be dangerous, bond should be set at an affordable level. They made no effort to hide the "bail is punishment" here, and the conservative press is (excuse the pun) up in arms: “I think it is important to send a message.” http://bearingdrift.com/2015/05/29/waco-sending-a-dangerous-message/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 11, 2015, 12:26:31 pm The FOP is not there to seek truth, justice, and the American Way. It is there to represent police officers - collectively when bargaining for a collective bargaining agreement, and individually when disciplinary proceedings are brought. That's why the wagons seem to always be circled. The entire thing is structured that way. It's the law. And that first statement right there is kind of a whole other point on its own. What are cops for if NOT to protect us from people would take exactly those things from us by whatever means? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cynical on September 11, 2015, 01:11:54 pm I agree there should be push-back. The adversarial legal system we have is based on push-back. However uncomfortable it is for those participating in it, it is better than any of the alternatives. And the natural affinity between prosecutors and judges because so many judges used to be prosecutors is a very legitimate concern. But pushing back in a way that empowers those who want to convince police officers that they are under attack may not be a good strategy. As I write this I'm wondering what is a good strategy, but denying them the right to representation that everyone else in the country has (we're not talking about "implied consent" here) is the wrong approach to take.
On the 72 hour provision, that provision governed the taking of a detailed statement from the officer and did not otherwise grant 72 hours of immunity from arrest. For an example of where such ideas come from, see this article (http://www.aele.org/law/2008FPAUG/2008-8MLJ201.pdf (http://www.aele.org/law/2008FPAUG/2008-8MLJ201.pdf)) by the non-profit Americans for Effective Law Enforcement, Inc. They seem so reasonable until one hears from the other side. AELE is a whole other discussion, a law enforcement support agency that apparently lives off of seminar fees and engages in "counteractive lobbying." I find it ironic that the police will take, and selectively portray as reliable, statements from victims, witnesses, and alleged perpetrators immediately after a horrendous incident, but are themselves advised to "in no case" take a statement from an officer who has just shot someone before 48-72 hours has passed. Read the article. It is chilling. AELE exist for the sole purpose of exploiting fear of crime and countering what it perceives as the evil influence of the ACLU and other so-called "liberal" organizations. They have been effective far beyond their means. Anyone who really cares about this trend is well-advised to support the ACLU financially and politically, not because they are "liberal" (they aren't), but because they are focused on restraining the government's encroachments on individual non-economic rights in the post 9-11 era when almost no one else is. And pressure the legislature to adequately fund both the prosecution and public defender functions while you're at it. Meanwhile, independent investigations in use-of-force cases should be the rule rather than the exception. Thread drift: I just got the alert from the Tulsa World that the outlet mall has been officially announced for Jenks. Congratulations to those who opposed it. Someone needs to get busy and buy the property and donate it to the Parks Department so that it doesn't happen again. I do not begrudge anyone representation. But when you are dealing with potential criminal matters granting union members special rights is ridiculous. Next time you are involved in a shooting incident politely ask to go home for 72 hours before they can confront you or ask questions about it. Ask for your representative to be present in any grand jury investigation. Next time you are pulled over ask to talk to your attorney before you blow for your BAC. Etc. etc. etc. The FOP does and SHOULD provide defense for officers. Their job is to advocate for the officers. But there should be push back. Our system has become so one sided - it is slanted in favor of the government not the citizen. The officer gets special treatment, special rules, and can even get back pay when he was fired for beating a guy in custody. The prosecutor gets deference and can easily railroad the public defenders office (how many prosecutors are judges, how many public defenders?. No one wants to push back and seen to be "on the side" of the "bad guys" If you question an official version of events without video evidence, your chided. Hell, even with video evidence - many people don't care. The police are beating up and murdering bad guys, they must be bad, or they wouldn't be getting mistreated by police. Officials need to stand up and say "no way. If you shoot someone on duty you need to give a recorded statement as soon as possible. You do not get 72 hours to talk to a union rep before giving a statement of facts." Judges need to say "this warrant has no basis, denied." When officials let the FOP right the rules, and judges approve ~99% of warrants --- there aren't really checks and balances. The Executive branch of the government can just do as it pleases. BIG GOVERNMENT is always a concern for conservatives, unless it is police power... then we don't care. - - - - - - - - In the South Carolina case, where the guy is shot in the back as he runs away... Defense Attorneys and Prosecutors spent hours arguing about bond yesterday. This is interesting for two reasons: 1) We abuse bond in this country. Bond should be set based on a) how likely the suspect is to appear for trial and b) how dangerous the suspect is likely to be to the public. Bond is NOT pre-trial punishment. The accused is innocent until proven guilty. So if he is likely to appear for trial and unlikely to be dangerous, bond should be set at an affordable level. This officer's bond should be set at an affordable level, no matter how guilty it appears he is. 2) They spent much time talking about what the video "didn't show." They argue that the dead guy was beating the officer up before the videos started. IT DOESN'T MATTER. Who cares how guilty it appears the guy is, that isn't part of the test. Also --- it doesn't matter what the dead guy was doing before the incident happened. Taken as true, pretending that the dead guy had beaten the officers to death --- you still can't shoot him in the back as he runs away. Why didn't either the prosecutor or the judge point out the irrelevance of the entire show? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cynical on September 11, 2015, 01:22:34 pm The FOP is made up of police officers but is not the police. The FOP represents police officers. No part of the FOP's mission involves representing you or me if we are not police officers any more than any part of the Teamsters' Union is there to represent auto drivers who are involved in a collision with a trucker. There is a great deal of cognitive dissonance caused by police officers who break the law. When I see law enforcement agencies behaving as paramilitary organizations, I worry. When I see police officers shooting unarmed people of whatever race who present no threat to the public or to the officer, I worry. When I see the FOP providing a lawyer to a police officer accused of misconduct, I worry about the misconduct but not the representation. There is already another side at work to represent us. If they don't do so effectively, we need to challenge them to do better or replace them. If the rules set by public contracts are skewed, those same public officials need to unskew them, and if they can't or won't do it, replace them with someone who can. Address the problem, which is not the principle that police officers are entitled to representation.
And that first statement right there is kind of a whole other point on its own. What are cops for if NOT to protect us from people would take exactly those things from us by whatever means? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on September 11, 2015, 03:09:28 pm But pushing back in a way that empowers those who want to convince police officers that they are under attack may not be a good strategy.... AELE exist for the sole purpose of exploiting fear of crime and countering what it perceives as the evil influence of the ACLU and other so-called "liberal" organizations. And yet there is still hope; not all cops are jumping on the "we are under siege" bandwagon. David Couper, the former Madison police chief, said the most recent statistics don't support (Governor) Walker's suggestion that police shootings are on the rise. "That's not what the data show," he said, adding that fatal police shootings are actually down by 13 percent over last year. Couper, citing data from a 2015 report by the National Law Enforcement Memorial Fund, said the number of police officers killed in traffic accidents rose by 36 percent over last year. He said it would make more sense to focus on that than police shootings, which have been declining steadily since 2011. http://www.wpr.org/walker-police-comments-draw-mixed-response-wisconsin-law-enforcement As for any moral or ethical compulsion the FOP could have to address bad policing, sure, that would be a meaningful gesture, but if anyone should be pulling the plug on bad guys in uniform it should be CLEET. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on September 11, 2015, 03:45:39 pm I couldn't find the graphic, but felonious (intentional) killing of police officers have been falling consistently since the 1980s. A combination of violent crime overall going down, team tactics, better communication (no point in shooting a cop to get away if they already radio you in, video taped you, or have a chopper overhead), and body armor.
On average 55 officers are murdered while on duty each year. There are ~800,000 sworn law enforcement officers in the United States. Each officer has 10 "contacts" a day with potential bad guys (some are way more, some have zero) from tickets, to drug dealers, to whatever. We won't even count the hundreds of people who encounter officers on a more casual basis each day (in traffic, walking down the street, etc.) that could harm them if they wanted. 10 contacts x 800,000 officers x 300 days a year = 2,400,000,000 contacts per year. 55 end with the officer being killed. 55/2.4 billion = 00.0000229166667% or 1 in about 44,000,000 contacts end in the officer's death. for comparison, about 1 in every 4,000,000 airline passengers dies in a crash. (3.5 billion passengers, about 1k deaths) Yet we don't get on airplanes as if it was a life or death decision. All jumpy and nervous, passengers accidentally killing pilots because you think they looked dangerous before takeoff (pilot error #1 cause). Yet airline passenger is ten times more dangerous. Yet officers are trained to treat each contact as potentially dealy... Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 13, 2015, 09:14:48 pm When I see law enforcement agencies behaving as paramilitary organizations, I worry. When I see police officers shooting unarmed people of whatever race who present no threat to the public or to the officer, I worry. When I see the FOP providing a lawyer to a police officer accused of misconduct, I worry about the misconduct but not the representation. There is already another side at work to represent us. If they don't do so effectively, we need to challenge them to do better or replace them. If the rules set by public contracts are skewed, those same public officials need to unskew them, and if they can't or won't do it, replace them with someone who can. Address the problem, which is not the principle that police officers are entitled to representation. The FOP isnt the least bit embarrased that they "must" defend slimeballs. Patrick J. Lynch, head of the police officer's union, said Officer James Frascatore "Did a professional job of bringing the individual to the ground" in describing tennis star James Blake's assault and arrest. http://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/surveillance-video-shows-officer-throwing-james-blake-to-the-ground/2015/09/11/a40783b6-58c1-11e5-9f54-1ea23f6e02f3_video.html That sounds a lot more like praise than regret. So who is their model? The officer who tackled tennis star James Blake has been sued four times for roughing up suspects during arrests, documents show. Officer James Frascatore, on the force for four years, is a defendant in four ongoing civil cases that charge he and other officers used excessive force during false arrests. In June 2012, Frascatore pulled over Leroy Cline for a busted tailight, WYNC reported. Frascatore asked for Cline’s ID without saying why he was being pulled over, Cline said. “He completely ignored me and said, ‘License, registration,’” Cline told WNYC last year. “I said, ‘Officer, what am I being pulled over for?’” “That’s when he opened my car door and gave me three straight shots to the mouth.” Frascatore had a different story about what happened: he claimed Cline attacked him and bit his fist. Officer Frascatore is suing Cline, claiming he sustained "permanent" injuries from Cline's car while trying to arrest him. The officer "became sick, sore, lame and disabled…(and) has been permanently injured," the lawsuit claimed. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tackled-james-blake-sued-4-times-excessive-force-article-1.2356691 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on September 15, 2015, 01:42:39 pm So the cop sues the guy he punched for cutting his fist on his teeth?
Words cant describe how low that is. Apologies in advance for thread drift, but how many times have we heard police say they wont release dashcam video because a case is still open, or it has to go to a special laboratory for a couple weeks to be "enhanced?" ...but if its critical of someone besides them, its promoted to TV stations within hours? http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/accused-drunk-driver-goes-wrong-way-ba-expressway/nnbMN/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 16, 2015, 09:45:55 pm And yet there is still hope; not all cops are jumping on the "we are under siege" bandwagon. Watch the video where the police spokesman basically parots the "we are under seige" line, and that the streets are too dangerous for officers to be alone: http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/jenks-police-take-steps-toward-officer-safety/nnfw3/ But as we read here, the police' own numbers dont support that paranoia, and if you compare the number of police killed to the number of people killed by police, you have to wonder exactly who is under seige: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/ Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 16, 2015, 09:48:42 pm After he is told it is being recorded he threatens to impound the car and tear the tapes apart. When he is told that the tape is not in the car by transmitted he suddenly has an awakening and calms down and acts more like you would expect him to. http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1961.asp If you are foolish enough to tell a cop you are recording your traffic stop, the next words out of his mouth will be "I smell marijuana, so im searching your car" and he wont stop untill your recording never existed. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 19, 2015, 05:44:20 pm SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (AP) — A driver who led authorities on a 100-mph freeway chase was struck by gunfire from a San Bernardino County sheriff's helicopter before dying, the agency confirmed Saturday.
However, the official cause of death will await an autopsy, a Sheriff's Department statement said. It didn't indicate how many times the driver was shot. Friday's shooting was the seventh from a sheriff's helicopter since the mid-1980s, when deputies began receiving regular training in using weapons from the air, spokeswoman Jodi Miller said. A deputy opened fire from a helicopter, hitting the SUV several times. The SUV crashed head-on into a Dodge Durango, where a man and a 13-year-old boy were treated at a hospital and released but a woman remains hospitalized in critical condition. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on September 19, 2015, 07:02:53 pm SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (AP) — A driver who led authorities on a 100-mph freeway chase was struck by gunfire from a San Bernardino County sheriff's helicopter before dying, the agency confirmed Saturday. However, the official cause of death will await an autopsy, a Sheriff's Department statement said. It didn't indicate how many times the driver was shot. Friday's shooting was the seventh from a sheriff's helicopter since the mid-1980s, when deputies began receiving regular training in using weapons from the air, spokeswoman Jodi Miller said. A deputy opened fire from a helicopter, hitting the SUV several times. The SUV crashed head-on into a Dodge Durango, where a man and a 13-year-old boy were treated at a hospital and released but a woman remains hospitalized in critical condition. Coming to a city near you............. (http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/7/98/162/98162922_kinopoiskruBlueThunder1935212.jpg) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 20, 2015, 05:39:40 pm The tally of people shot and killed by on-duty police officers passed 700 on Wednesday night — a fatal milestone that is almost double the highest number of police shootings ever reported by the FBI for an entire year.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/09/17/on-duty-police-officers-have-shot-and-killed-more-than-700-people-this-year/?tid=pm_national_pop_b Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on September 21, 2015, 03:30:19 am The tally of people shot and killed by on-duty police officers passed 700 on Wednesday night — a fatal milestone that is almost double the highest number of police shootings ever reported by the FBI for an entire year. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/09/17/on-duty-police-officers-have-shot-and-killed-more-than-700-people-this-year/?tid=pm_national_pop_b So, I am curious as to the breakdown of the numbers quoted in the article, and the ones that you tout. How many of these deaths were suspects that fired on police while committing a crime? How many were suicide by cop? (That is an actual classification http://www.suicide.org/suicide-by-cop.html (http://www.suicide.org/suicide-by-cop.html), http://healthresearchfunding.org/surprising-suicide-cop-statistics/ (http://healthresearchfunding.org/surprising-suicide-cop-statistics/)) How many were killed because they were an immediate threat to others? How many were accidental? Nice to throw around numbers, why don't you put some facts behind them? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on September 21, 2015, 09:59:29 am SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (AP) — A driver who led authorities on a 100-mph freeway chase was struck by gunfire from a San Bernardino County sheriff's helicopter before dying, the agency confirmed Saturday. However, the official cause of death will await an autopsy, a Sheriff's Department statement said. It didn't indicate how many times the driver was shot. Friday's shooting was the seventh from a sheriff's helicopter since the mid-1980s, when deputies began receiving regular training in using weapons from the air, spokeswoman Jodi Miller said. A deputy opened fire from a helicopter, hitting the SUV several times. The SUV crashed head-on into a Dodge Durango, where a man and a 13-year-old boy were treated at a hospital and released but a woman remains hospitalized in critical condition. Nice of you to leave out details of the incident. Quote Miller said the officer made the decision to fire because the suspect “had been threatening the safety of the public by traveling at a high rate of speed, running stop signs and red lights, narrowly missing pedestrians and traveling southbound on the northbound freeway.” The suspect, who was wanted in connection with a home-invasion robbery, was identified by police as Nicholas Alan Johnson, 32, of Fontana. He died after being struck by the helicopter gunfire and then jumping out of his vehicle. Deputies say they don't know whether Johnson died because of the gunfire or if he was fatally injured by his leap from the vehicle. Sheriff's deputies had attempted to pull the man over during a traffic stop in Fontana about 12:50 p.m. but he fled. Within minutes, the pursuit from Fontana to San Bernardino reached speeds of more than 100 mph. Johnson then drove the wrong way onto the 215, Deputy Deon Filer said. His Yukon sideswiped at least one vehicle during the chase. After Johnson jumped out of the SUV, it crashed into another SUV carrying three people, officials said. The pursuit ended near Palm Avenue and Kendall Drive. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-police-shooting-from-helicopters-rare-but-not-unheardof-20150919-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-police-shooting-from-helicopters-rare-but-not-unheardof-20150919-story.html) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 21, 2015, 06:58:17 pm Nice of you to leave out details of the incident. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-police-shooting-from-helicopters-rare-but-not-unheardof-20150919-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-police-shooting-from-helicopters-rare-but-not-unheardof-20150919-story.html) Glad you were able to find a later press release with more one-sided commentary from a police spokesperson. Maybe the original point is the fact that shooting at people from what up until now were considered just "surveillance" craft is now apparently OK (which opens the door to armed drones). http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/27/435301160/north-dakota-legalizes-armed-police-drones The next question should be "What is the criteria for snipers shooting at people from the air?" ....is the policy a "tactical secret" or is there even one? And please do ignore the fact that this caused a head-on crash that injured innocent people, and focus instead on whether or not the driver deserved it. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: cannon_fodder on September 22, 2015, 06:48:44 am dback: what did you expect the police statement to say? "We saw the A Team take out some bad guys from a helicopter one time, seemed pretty rad so we figured we should do that. Then this guy did his thing, gave us a chance, and well, we green lit the bird to open fire. Target down man. Target down! It was frikken great!"
Each and every time the government kills a citizen they release one of three possible statements: 1) He was a danger to himself and to the public, we had to kill him 2) He posed a threat to officers and they had to defend themselves. 3) He failed to comply and escalated the situation until he was killed. If, and only if video evidence surfaces directly contrary to those statements - then they will revise them. Otherwise, THOUGH SHALT NOT ever admit to killing a citizen outside of those parameters. It does not matter what witnesses say. It does not matter if the "official" version makes no sense. In fact, if a judge ever chooses to believe anything other than the official version - you should publicly berate him (even if there is video evidence contrary to the official version. Seriously, this happens, several pointed to above). Remember: the official version IS fact and any evidence to the contrary is just police hating. - - - - ALL THAT SAID - there are times when the police have to use deadly force. - Sometimes an officer has to protect themselves. BUT, I think we have this one wrong. At the moment it is "when in doubt, shoot." The official FOP position is that criticizing police for the use of deadly force has create a situation in which officers think twice before using deadly force. I believe an officers job is to protect and serve. When in doubt, DON'T SHOOT! I think thinking twice is a good thing. It may mean more officers are injured each year, but it will certainly mean less people are shot by officers (including innocent ones) - Sometimes an officer has to kill someone to end a situation. hostage situation. Violently drug or mentally ill person. There are times that it can not be helped. - Sometimes someone has to die to protect the public. The crazy at the Courthouse a few years back with a gun, just taking shots at people. Or, a high speed chase ignoring traffic laws. But in the Courthouse, a guy was shot in the library by Sheriff's Deputies trying to hit the shooter. In the above referenced high speed chase a family minding their own damn business was rammed because the attack helicopter opened fire (head on 100 MPH collision? SOOO lucky no one died). And guess what? They're screwed. They will not get compensated for that. They might not even get the medical bills paid. The guy shot by TCSO is still probably limping around with a bullet in his leg. Just because some asshat deserves to be shot, or can be shot legally, doesn't mean it is a good idea. That's the difference between a vigilante and a professional. Had the helicopter opened fire when the high speed chase was outside of city limits and heading toward town --- it was probably the lesser of two bad outcomes. But the fact that a headon collision resulted means they CAUSED the exact thing they were hoping to avoid. So what was gained? Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: patric on September 22, 2015, 11:31:08 am dback: what did you expect the police statement to say? "We saw the A Team take out some bad guys from a helicopter one time, seemed pretty rad so we figured we should do that. Then this guy did his thing, gave us a chance, and well, we green lit the bird to open fire. Target down man. Target down! It was frikken great!" Each and every time the government kills a citizen they release one of three possible statements: 1) He was a danger to himself and to the public, we had to kill him 2) He posed a threat to officers and they had to defend themselves. 3) He failed to comply and escalated the situation until he was killed. If, and only if video evidence surfaces directly contrary to those statements - then they will revise them. Otherwise, THOUGH SHALT NOT ever admit to killing a citizen outside of those parameters. It does not matter what witnesses say. It does not matter if the "official" version makes no sense. In fact, if a judge ever chooses to believe anything other than the official version - you should publicly berate him (even if there is video evidence contrary to the official version. Seriously, this happens, several pointed to above). Remember: the official version IS fact and any evidence to the contrary is just police hating. - - - - ALL THAT SAID - there are times when the police have to use deadly force. - Sometimes an officer has to protect themselves. BUT, I think we have this one wrong. At the moment it is "when in doubt, shoot." The official FOP position is that criticizing police for the use of deadly force has create a situation in which officers think twice before using deadly force. I believe an officers job is to protect and serve. When in doubt, DON'T SHOOT! I think thinking twice is a good thing. It may mean more officers are injured each year, but it will certainly mean less people are shot by officers (including innocent ones) - Sometimes an officer has to kill someone to end a situation. hostage situation. Violently drug or mentally ill person. There are times that it can not be helped. - Sometimes someone has to die to protect the public. The crazy at the Courthouse a few years back with a gun, just taking shots at people. Or, a high speed chase ignoring traffic laws. But in the Courthouse, a guy was shot in the library by Sheriff's Deputies trying to hit the shooter. In the above referenced high speed chase a family minding their own damn business was rammed because the attack helicopter opened fire (head on 100 MPH collision? SOOO lucky no one died). And guess what? They're screwed. They will not get compensated for that. They might not even get the medical bills paid. The guy shot by TCSO is still probably limping around with a bullet in his leg. Just because some asshat deserves to be shot, or can be shot legally, doesn't mean it is a good idea. That's the difference between a vigilante and a professional. Had the helicopter opened fire when the high speed chase was outside of city limits and heading toward town --- it was probably the lesser of two bad outcomes. But the fact that a headon collision resulted means they CAUSED the exact thing they were hoping to avoid. So what was gained? Your logic will be overlooked because you used too many big words. 700 killed sofar this year? Almost catching up to the number of Americans killed by ISIS. ::) Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 25, 2015, 09:32:58 pm Sometimes you just have to try harder to keep up the 3-a-day average shootings:
https://news.vice.com/article/video-shows-police-officers-shooting-man-in-wheelchair Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 26, 2015, 07:38:45 pm OSBI agent sentenced after pleading guilty to computer crimes
Special Agent Jerry Raymond Cusic pleaded guilty in June to two felony computer crime counts and one misdemeanor count of destroying evidence. Cusic will be required to spend five weekends in Oklahoma County jail. Cusic still has a law enforcement job with another state agency, as an agent for the Oklahoma Horse Racing Commission. http://newsok.com/former-osbi-agent-sentenced-after-pleading-guilty-to-computer-crimes/article/5449490 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 28, 2015, 07:03:43 pm Quote According to a new report by Amnesty International, the Oklahoma City Police Department is responsible for more Taser-related deaths than any other law enforcement agency in the U.S. http://thislandpress.com/roundups/okc-is-taser-death-capital-of-the-us/ The Taser is the too-often deadly weapon of choice when you lack patience (or respect for the people you supposedly work for). https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=14&v=oWa1D8A1t7k ...but its Baltimore, they have problems http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-officer-statements-20150926-story.html Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 29, 2015, 06:38:42 pm Quote Just because a corrupt police tactic is outed as a lie doesnt mean they stop using it: South Carolina officer shoots unarmed white teen during pot bust Nineteen-year-old Zachary Hammond was on a date July 26 when he was fatally shot twice by a police officer while at the back parking lot of a Hardee's. The Seneca Police Department said the officer was conducting a drug investigation and shot Hammond in self-defense. "He was a uniformed officer, he was in a marked vehicle, was out of his vehicle on foot approaching the suspect vehicle -- weapon drawn given it was a narcotics type violation," Seneca Police Chief John Covington said to CNN. A small amount of marijuana was found in the front passenger's compartment in Hammond's car. "He was a 19-year-old, 121-pound kid killed basically for a joint," Bland said. "This is about the use of overreaching deadly force in situations where it is not required," Bland said. Police said the officer was attempting to arrest Hammond when the teen accelerated the car and drove toward the officer, prompting the officer to shoot in self-defense, but Bland said Hammond's wounds indicate the vehicle was not moving, and the teen was shot on the rear of his shoulder and on the side of his chest. The Hammond family commissioned an independent autopsy, which found the teen's gunshot wounds indicated he was shot from behind and at close range. "We will not be releasing the officer's name that was involved in the shooting and consider him a victim of attempted murder" Police said. The police officer who shot and killed a 19-year-old man in South Carolina threatened to blow his head off before firing, and another officer gave the teen's lifeless body a high-five not long after he was killed. Lt. Mark Tiller said in statement issued by his lawyer that he thought Zachary Hammond was threatening to run him over and fired twice to protect himself. Hammond's family said the autopsy showed the teen was shot in the side and the back, proving the threat had passed. After paramedics determined Hammond was dead, his body was left on the ground for 90 minutes where it was bitten and stung by ants. A second officer gave the lifeless teen's body a high-five sometime after other investigators arrived, according to the lawsuit. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/family-lawsuit-killing-teen-officers-justified-34127973 Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: TeeDub on September 30, 2015, 07:18:57 am http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/family-lawsuit-killing-teen-officers-justified-34127973 I love the way you cherry pick the articles. Title: Re: Police misconduct 2 Post by: Moderator on October 01, 2015, 11:55:00 am This thread has long since run its course. Important topic, but nothing "new" has been added for some time.
Also, this is more politics at this point than a "Tulsa Discussion." Thank you for the discussion, but it is time to let this one die. - Moderator |