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Title: "The American" Post by: osupokie on May 30, 2007, 08:12:24 pm So has anyone herd any updates about the American statue? If my guess is correct we have probably let this awesome attraction slip through our fingers.
Title: "The American" Post by: sgrizzle on May 30, 2007, 08:42:00 pm Tulsa did everything to help the project. They still need more financial support from the private sector which is what this project is, a private venture.
There was some news a while back, saying they were still progressing, just slowly. Title: "The American" Post by: RecycleMichael on May 30, 2007, 10:32:19 pm I think they will raise just enough to build three quarters of a statue...maybe missing a head and arms.
It will be renamed "The Tulsa Torso". Title: "The American" Post by: TulsaEx on May 31, 2007, 08:47:33 pm Latest newslink:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070425_1_A11_spanc25263 Title: "The American" Post by: Rico on May 31, 2007, 09:09:06 pm One short note on all of this...
As this is a "For Profit Venture that Issues shares... stock.. what ever you wish to call your resale ownership in the company" there would be certain filings required by the SEC... Might be a more accurate tracking method than the official statement...? Title: "The American" Post by: cannon_fodder on June 01, 2007, 08:11:48 am If it is a privately or closely held corporation they do not have the same filing requirements as a publicly traded company. Since their capital appears to be under $30,000,000.00 they certainly are considered privately held. I do not believe their SEC filings will be public (if they are actually registered with the SEC. If they keep their shareholders to a minimum they could be filed with the SOS of Oklahoma).
/still excited to see the giant naked Indian rise. If it is a pink elephant, at least its a privately funded one. If nothing else, it is something to do for the people that come to Tulsa. I don't think it will be a reason to come here... but coupled with the Zoo, aquarium, museums, the gardens that are coming and other attractions it will help make Tulsa a place to stay for the weekend after your (insert event here). That's a start. Title: "The American" Post by: Rico on June 01, 2007, 01:07:41 pm quote: Thank You for the info ... Is it privately held with the share? price of 500K... Makes the price of "Berkshire A" look appealing aye...! This share? of the company can be sold by the individual at a later date...For a profit?? Title: "The American" Post by: Rico on June 05, 2007, 08:02:59 am What is missing from this article...?
There never has been any formal endorsement and in this case acknowledgment of the "American"...? Am I the only one that finds that strange...? Ray Tuttle 4/30/2007 Representatives of the Osage Nation conducted a ceremony to bless the land Monday April 30 for the Oklahoma Centennial Botanical Garden. The land is an untouched landscape of contrasts — open spaces framed by patches of woodland, rolling hills, wildflowers, swaying grasses and oak trees. Some of the trees were acorns when the Osage Nation first began settling the area in 1880s. About 200 watched a John D. Red Eagle, assistant principal chief to the Osage Nation, conducted the ceremony. The botanical gardens, with 15 major gardens encompassing at least 60 smaller gardens and dozens of special features and structures, sits on a 215-acre site on Persimmon Ridge in the Cross Timbers. The region is where the eastern forests meet the western grassland. The planned $40 million Oklahoma Centennial Botanical Garden is being developed in Osage County 7 miles northwest of downtown Tulsa. When completed, the major and specialty gardens will surround a 17-acre lake with two islands of oriental gardens, said Pearl Garrison, spokesman. Other features will include a visitor center, 3,000-seat amphitheater, interfaith chapel, and education building. Fund-raising is underway in the private and public sector, said Pat Woodrum, executive director. "We have $1.2 million from the Oklahoma Centennial. We are asking the Legislature for $15 million this session and we have just launched a $15 million private-sector funding campaign," Woodrum said. Title: "The American" Post by: RecycleMichael on June 05, 2007, 09:14:15 am I still think the idea of a bunch of three story statues around town to complement the Golden Driller would be more fun.
A golfer out by Southern Hills, a zookeeper near Mohawk, a fisherman in the river, Pistol Pete by OSU-Tulsa, etc. That would get the tourists to get off the highway. Title: "The American" Post by: Rico on June 05, 2007, 09:56:08 pm ^
If you put neon lights on them... Add a few more Casinos and voila "Glitter Gulch" revisited.. [8D] Title: "The American" Post by: MichaelC on August 14, 2007, 03:01:56 pm Today, I got word back on an email from "The American" staff. Minus pleasantries and names, here it is:
"Our projected goal is to complete the first of two phases of fundraising this fall/winter 2007. If successful, we will begin construction of the statue at that point. Construction of support facilities will follow in the second phase of fundraising. There is a four - six (4-6) month start-up phase with construction of the statue, so evidence of the statue construction would not be visible immediately, probably not until around May of 2008. We plan to have a groundbreaking when construction officially begins. I hope that answers your question. If not, just let me know and I will attempt to answer your question more fully." Title: "The American" Post by: cannon_fodder on August 14, 2007, 03:30:05 pm Thanks for your research Michael... good to see that they are moving along. It will be interesting to see that thing when it opens. Not to mention, I'm interested to see how a private venture like this pans out in general, let alone in my town!
Title: "The American" Post by: Neptune on October 19, 2008, 11:17:27 am From KTUL (http://"http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/1008/562625.html")
quote: Title: "The American" Post by: sgrizzle on October 19, 2008, 01:37:35 pm quote: That, plus the people in charge of Holmes Peak said they had no chance of ever getting the thing built and cancelled their land option... Title: "The American" Post by: patric on October 19, 2008, 01:48:18 pm quote: Werent there already infrastructure improvements made at taxpayer expense? Title: "The American" Post by: inteller on October 19, 2008, 02:06:20 pm i would not be surprised. probably a shell game just to get improvements up there and then go build a private development.
Title: "The American" Post by: Markk on October 19, 2008, 04:57:19 pm quote: didn't take long for the conspiracy nut jobs to surface Title: "The American" Post by: sgrizzle on October 19, 2008, 09:35:37 pm quote: There is a multi-million dollar project called the Oklahoma Centennial Gardens going on up there. The giant indian was just trying to stick themselves in the middle of that project. They never did anything that was specifically for the statue itself. There are no black helicopters. Title: "The American" Post by: carltonplace on October 20, 2008, 07:15:26 am Where exactly is "3 1/2 miles away from Holmes Peak"? Why so cryptic?
Title: "The American" Post by: sgrizzle on October 20, 2008, 10:08:20 am quote: As the crow flies, downtown is that far away, as is the Old Airpark. Title: "The American" Post by: carltonplace on October 20, 2008, 12:12:54 pm I don't think I want that eagle crapping on downtown.
"Inyuk-chuk" Title: "The American" Post by: PonderInc on October 20, 2008, 12:45:32 pm 3 1/2 miles away...I sure hope they meant "further away." Preferably in a ravine...
This statue is fine...it's just not "17-stories tall" fine. New City Hall (the green cube) is 15 stories tall. The American would make a very nice 17 FOOT tall sculpture. I'm sure it would make a nice addition to a Tulsa park somewhere. Title: "The American" Post by: RecycleMichael on October 20, 2008, 02:48:27 pm His eyes would be about the same level as the Mayor's office in the OTC.
Let's build him right next door so we can have someone always "watching" city hall. Title: "The American" Post by: TulsaEx on October 20, 2008, 03:30:54 pm I think you would be hard pressed to find 300 acres of available space that close to downtown.
Title: "The American" Post by: Renaissance on October 20, 2008, 05:50:39 pm Will. Never. Happen.
Title: "The American" Post by: cannon_fodder on October 21, 2008, 07:21:53 am I was excited about this project, just because it is private and certainly unique. BUT, it is festering and whenever I called their listed contact to get updates in the past it did not seem like they were enthusiastic. I have my doubts.
I'd say a 10% chance of actually being built in Tulsa. Title: "The American" Post by: waterboy on October 21, 2008, 07:28:01 am quote: If they'd just change the name. Maybe..."The Pro-American" or "The Real American" it might just get the attention it needs. Especially since it would be so close to Owasso where the real American's all live! Title: "The American" Post by: Enid on October 21, 2008, 11:53:44 am I think the Oklahoma Botantical Gardens are going to be out by Post Oak Lodge. I had a workshop there this summer and I saw the design promoting it in their lobby. Kinda just a field/woods right now.
Title: "The American" Post by: carltonplace on October 21, 2008, 12:26:10 pm Correct. That hill is known as Holmes Peak. The gardens will be there, the giant statue will not.
It is moving 3 and 1/2 miles from Holmes Peak to _________. Please check back in 10 years to see if the statue was finally built at _________. Title: "The American" Post by: SXSW on October 21, 2008, 02:17:12 pm FYI Holmes Peak is the highest point in the 5 county Tulsa metro at 1,030 ft. above sea level. For reference most of Tulsa proper is anywhere from just over 600 ft. by the river on the southside to 800-900 ft. in some of the hillier parts of town like around Turkey Mtn. and around 81st and Yale/Harvard.
Title: "The American" Post by: we vs us on November 21, 2008, 08:39:56 am An expansion of the original KTUL article by the AP: (http://"http://www.cherokeephoenix.org/3095/Article.aspx")
quote: New takeaways: Gray is negotiating with an unnamed Indian tribe that is probably the Osage nation for partnership. She is also talking with an unnamed investment bank about adding a luxury (!!) hotel and entertainment venue to the site, which is, as expected not Holmes Peak. More terribly exciting, terribly ambiguous stuff! Title: "The American" Post by: Townsend on November 21, 2008, 09:27:16 am Think Gray will move the project to an existing site with hotel and entertainment venue?
Maybe take the eagle away, change the arm position to hold up "devil horns" and make the head appear to be banging? "The Hard Rock American"...just a thought. Title: "The American" Post by: inteller on November 21, 2008, 09:35:48 am wow, we are getting closer to my plan of having a quarter slot at the base to pull a lever and have it yell out "INUK-CHUK!".
a casino and a hotel....yeah keep it classy Oklahoma! don't stop there, it needs to have a smoke shop nearby too. Title: "The American" Post by: waterboy on November 21, 2008, 10:20:29 am Just a note WevsUs. Jim Gray is chief of the Osage. They are related. But it seems to me if the tribe was interested it would already be happening.
Title: "The American" Post by: we vs us on November 21, 2008, 10:53:03 am quote: Thanks, Wboy. I'm completely in the dark when it comes to understanding inter- and intratribal power relationships. Title: "The American" Post by: cannon_fodder on November 21, 2008, 10:59:53 am It seems to me if a tribe wanted to be involved, for tribal pride sake or for business sake, it would want an accurate representation of their tribe. The "loin cloth" native was certainly not indicative of the eastern Indians that were relocated to Oklahoma. Not sure who it is indicative of really - but the Osage are from the Ohio river valley originally... a very cold place for ye' ole' loin cloths.
To add some gas to the fire, maybe the statute could be headless if it was Osage? In honor of the Kiowa women and children they massacred? Of course it doesn't really speak anything to the merits of the statue or the tribe (one incident from who knows what band of warriors), but I do enjoy poking at the myth of the noble savage. Damn, I'm just asking for trouble here. Title: "The American" Post by: lsimmons on November 21, 2008, 11:06:37 am quote: A gambling, smoking version of Apache Chief from the Justice League. Oh, that's classic! LMAO! Title: "The American" Post by: waterboy on November 21, 2008, 11:08:38 am quote: Yeah, you are. But they know their heritage and they know the "noble savage" myth for what it is. Jim once told me that the Osage were great fighters and enjoyed getting drunk and going into other tribes' villages and raising hell. Of course, non natives provided the alcohol.[;)] Title: "The American" Post by: we vs us on November 21, 2008, 11:14:03 am quote: Geez, just can't stop with all this legal-beagle talk, can you? Now you're going to tell me that "headless statute" is a misspelling or something, right? Yeah, that's just like you, Mr. know-it-all smarter-than-me elitist. Mr. blahdiddyblah midtown uber-middle-class, upper echelon, too-much-education, backyard-libertarian snootypants. SO TYPICAL! (It's friday, yo. I'm a little on edge.) Title: "The American" Post by: cannon_fodder on November 21, 2008, 12:25:15 pm How I wish I had the time to photoshop The American headless.
Title: "The American" Post by: sgrizzle on November 21, 2008, 12:51:19 pm quote: It costs a lot to build a 20ft statue. I'm guessing $1 slots. Title: "The American" Post by: dbacks fan on November 21, 2008, 01:17:37 pm quote: That's what I was thinkig as well. At the hard Rock location lot's of freeway access and travelers passing through........ Title: "The American" Post by: inteller on November 24, 2008, 09:06:09 am quote: hey, whatever gets it done. Title: Re: \ Post by: OpenYourEyesTulsa on June 15, 2010, 12:17:06 pm Someone was asking me about "The American" statue today. Is anything happening or is this project officially dead?
Title: Re: \ Post by: Townsend on June 15, 2010, 12:23:53 pm Someone was asking me about "The American" statue today. Is anything happening or is this project officially dead? Drove by the other day. The peak looks unscathed. Title: Re: \ Post by: dioscorides on June 15, 2010, 02:54:17 pm the most recent article that i could find about it (july 2009):
http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A27438 JULY 1, 2009 It's Alive! Construction of American-Indian Warrior monument expected to be completed by 2012 BY MIKE EASTERLING A 6-foot model of a 21-story bronze monument planned for the Osage Hills northwest of downtown Tulsa should be finished soon, according to the artist working on the project. Osage artist and Edmond resident Shan Gray said even though the privately funded monument--a planned 217-foot bronze sculpture called "The American" featuring an American Indian warrior with a bald eagle perched on his arm--was not completed within its originally announced time frame, progress continues to be made. He said a 6-foot model of the sculpture should be completed by mid-summer, providing the first real peek at what the finished product will look like. The monument was announced in 2004 during the administration of then-Tulsa Mayor Bill LaFortune, with the mayor touting its value as a tourist and cultural attraction. It was supposed to be finished in time for Oklahoma's centennial celebration in 2007, but construction has yet to begin, leading many observers wondering if the project had been shelved. Gray insisted last week that this was not the case, though he admitted the economic downturn has delayed the involvement of some major investors. "We're waiting on a couple of entities," he said. "They want to do it, but they're involved in the oil and gas industry, and they're waiting for things to stabilize a little bit. They say they'll feel a whole lot more comfortable with this when the price of oil stabilizes." Gray declined to go into the specifics of the project's financing status, but he did say the budget for the monument is between $35 million and $40 million, and that $3.5 million has been spent on it to date. He emphasized he is not seeking new investors. Gray said a considerable amount of work has been completed on the project, which he described as a major technological challenge. He cited a study completed two and a half years ago by an Oklahoma State University economist as a major boost for the project. The study conducted by Mark Snead, then-director of the Center for Applied Economic Research at OSU's Spears School of Business and now an economist with the Federal Reserve Bank in Denver, claims the monument would attract between 1.5 million and 2 million visitors a year, Gray said, a number that surprised even him. But the sculpture's appeal crosses many boundaries, he said. "The monument is about more than honoring Native Americans," he said. "It's about new beginnings and facing a new day." Gray said a number of test pours and experiments on the milling process required to build the monument have been completed, each yielding valuable information--sometimes by trial and error. For example, he said during the first test pour, conducted 18 months ago, the mold exploded. Workers later figured out that the sand they mixed with the epoxy had absorbed moisture from a recent rain, and when it was mixed with 2,000-degree bronze, the result was an explosion that shattered the mold. Gray said 22 people are currently working on the monument, including several from the Tulsa division of The Benham Group, an architectural, engineering and construction management firm. All told, Gray counts 200 "team members" from more than 20 firms who have participated so far. Much of their time has been spent designing the elevator inside the monument that allows visitors to ride to the top. A stairwell that meets code requirements also needs to be built, and the interior will be able to accommodate up to 50 visitors at any given time, he said. But there have been other unique challenges, as well, each of which has contributed to delays in getting the project's construction started, according to Gray. For instance, the monument will have a steel frame covered in bronze plates. Gray said during the summer, the bronze can expand up to 13 inches, while the steel can expand only 2 inches. Designers have had to account for those expansions and ensuing contractions. "In a way, he's breathing," Gray said of the depicted warrior. He also said designers believe the monument's chest area is so expansive that, theoretically, clouds could form inside, and it could rain. Additionally, because of its height, the monument must be topped with a red beacon to warn away aircraft. Gray said the bulb used in the beacon weighs 150 pounds, making its delivery to the required spot problematic. He said designers are trying to solve the problem by creating a rail system to carry the bulb that can be retracted into the eagle. Once the 6-foot model is complete, Gray said, designers will put it through a wind tunnel test to make sure the full-size version is capable of withstanding sustained, straight-line winds up to 206 mph--the equivalent of an F3 tornado. Those delays haven't been all bad, Gray said. They have given project organizers time to regroup and tie up loose ends, as well as form partnerships with other entities interested in adding an educational component to the monument. The project's Web site, www.theamerican.com, was taken offline some time ago, but Gray anticipates that it will be launched again sometime this summer. Initially, the monument itself was planned for Holmes Peak in Osage County, several miles northwest of downtown. Gray said that site is still under consideration, but a third party has been tasked with obtaining the 160 acres required to build the monument and visitors center that would accompany it and is examining other areas, as well. He said once construction begins, it should proceed rapidly, with 1,200 workers expected to be involved in its production. The expected build-out is three years. "My hope is to have the thing completed by 2012," he said, though he cautioned, "A lot of things have to fall into place." Gray said he understands the doubts many observers have about the project, given the fact that its original deadline already has come and gone. "But those early estimates were not mine," he said. "They were provided by people (involved with the project) who ... meant well. On a project like this, it's very dangerous to give people timelines. On the other hand, if we had every penny, hey, we're ready to go." Gray said he has no doubts "The American" will become a reality some day. "Oh, no, absolutely not," he said. "I know it's going to happen. If there's any question, it's when and where. There are too many good people involved (for it not to happen). I've never questioned the outcome." Title: Re: \ Post by: Conan71 on June 15, 2010, 03:12:12 pm $3.5mm spent thus far and this is what he had to show for it, an uncompleted 6 ft. model? That's probably got a whole lot more to do with the financing problem. The price of oil has been relatively stable for the last year since that article was written, so there goes that excuse.
Oh, and I just found this, sorry but this screams "nut-job" I've never heard of a 150 pound light bulb (certainly not the type used to mark obstructions to aircraft) and considering the weight of all other materials used, how does one 150 pound light bulb create a logistical nightmare? "Additionally, because of its height, the monument must be topped with a red beacon to warn away aircraft. Gray said the bulb used in the beacon weighs 150 pounds, making its delivery to the required spot problematic" That's got to be the mother of all excuses: "Yeah the uh, liiight bulb weighs 1, er 150 pounds. Yeah, yeah, thaaaat's the ticket!" (http://content8.flixster.com/question/61/86/55/6186558_std.jpg) Title: Re: \ Post by: Gaspar on June 15, 2010, 03:42:08 pm A lot of problematic things. . . theTulsa division of The Benham Group no longer exists, any money spent on design and engineering has most likely evaporated. The remaining Benham group in OKC has been purchased by a large Govt contractor group, SAIC, and I doubt they would even touch something like this.
I don't know of a single sane firm that would take this project on now without money in the bank. I do know a few insane firms that would take it on, but I doubt they will still exist in a year. The estimated construction cost of $35 to $40 million is what makes me scratch my head. That seems like a very low figure for the level of engineering and materials required. Title: Re: \ Post by: Hoss on June 15, 2010, 03:45:51 pm A lot of problematic things. . . theTulsa division of The Benham Group no longer exists, any money spent on design and engineering has most likely evaporated. The remaining Benham group in OKC has been purchased by a large Govt contractor group, SAIC, and I doubt they would even touch something like this. I don't know of a single sane firm that would take this project on now without money in the bank. I do know a few insane firms that would take it on, but I doubt they will still exist in a year. The estimated construction cost of $35 to $40 million is what makes me scratch my head. That seems like a very low figure for the level of engineering and materials required. Maybe they can ask who did the construction on the "Terminator Jesus" and get bids... Sorry, that was too easy...LOL. Title: Re: \ Post by: Townsend on June 15, 2010, 03:48:16 pm Maybe they can ask who did the construction on the "Terminator Jesus" and get bids... Sorry, that was too easy...LOL. I think an enormous stick figure native American with a stick figure eagle trying to rip his stick arm off is a great way to do it. Every year we can light it on fire and have concerts. Title: Re: \ Post by: Ed W on June 15, 2010, 03:54:46 pm Have I mentioned before that I hate this thing? It's a wonderful example of middle-brow art that's nice, safe, and very, very boring. A smaller model would make a lovely table lamp that would be a graceful addition to any bordello. It doesn't even rise to the level of kitsch like those nauseating Timmy and Cindy abominations in Owasso.
Title: Re: \ Post by: Conan71 on June 15, 2010, 03:56:17 pm A lot of problematic things. . . theTulsa division of The Benham Group no longer exists, any money spent on design and engineering has most likely evaporated. The remaining Benham group in OKC has been purchased by a large Govt contractor group, SAIC, and I doubt they would even touch something like this. I don't know of a single sane firm that would take this project on now without money in the bank. I do know a few insane firms that would take it on, but I doubt they will still exist in a year. The estimated construction cost of $35 to $40 million is what makes me scratch my head. That seems like a very low figure for the level of engineering and materials required. Plus the possibility he's another flaky artist... Title: Re: \ Post by: TheArtist on June 15, 2010, 06:24:15 pm Plus the possibility he's another flaky artist... Waaaatch it. 8) Title: Re: \ Post by: Gaspar on June 16, 2010, 06:26:09 am Plus the possibility he's another flaky artist... That's easy to determine. See if he has applied and received any funds from the NEA. If so, that means his work fails to sell in the open market, or fails to support his efforts. Nope, looks like he's got lots of good projects and talent. Gets a high price for his work too! Title: Re: \ Post by: SXSW on June 16, 2010, 06:53:16 am those nauseating Timmy and Cindy abominations in Owasso. ?? Title: Re: \ Post by: Conan71 on June 16, 2010, 07:09:53 am ?? Must have their own version of Precious MomentsTitle: Re: \ Post by: TURobY on June 16, 2010, 08:51:01 am ?? There are a little bronze statue haphazardly placed in Owasso of little children playing. Is that what you are talking about? Title: Re: \ Post by: Townsend on September 25, 2010, 07:49:33 am Just read a KTUL tweet that it's still in the works. This includes some construction such as the elevator shaft and emergency exit.
Talk about on the down low. Title: Re: \ Post by: Rico on September 25, 2010, 08:56:05 am "The monument was announced in 2004 during the administration of then-Tulsa Mayor Bill LaFortune, with the mayor touting its value as a tourist and cultural attraction." The Indian tribes have said....(behind closed doors) that they do not want this. There are no "Indian" monies pledged. Tell me how they get around this small obstacle? Title: Re: \ Post by: Red Arrow on September 25, 2010, 09:32:13 am The Indian tribes have said....(behind closed doors) that they do not want this. Have any reasons leaked out under the door? Title: Re: \ Post by: we vs us on September 27, 2010, 12:22:08 pm Here's a good article from TBJ. (http://www.tulsabusiness.com/article.asp?aID=51735)
He’s baaack: The American Tulsa Business Staff 9/27/2010 Last week, a group of interested citizens, business leaders and local officials met at The Silo Event Center, 4501 W. 41st St., in an attempt to reinvigorate community support of The American, a 207-foot tall Native American statue proposed in 2004. Designed by Shan Gray as an entry into the 2002 contest that would choose a statue to be placed on top of Oklahoma City’s Capitol dome (Gray, though he earned 53 percent of the public’s vote, lost the competition; the statue that sits atop the dome is a bronze Native American named “The Guardian” that was designed by Enoch Kelley Haney), The American is a bronze structure that features a Native American with his arm outstretched, on which is perched a bald eagle. When the project was announced in 2004 as a tourist destination to be situated in northwest Tulsa’s Holmes Peak, the highest point in the city, the community quickly rallied around the idea. However, support soon fell off when the proposed project failed to materialize. County Commissioner Karen Keith, who led last week’s meeting, said Gray had been approached by other cities to build The American, but local leaders and citizens want to keep the project in Tulsa. Randy Dittmann, who, with his wife, Sandi, owns The Silo, said he was moved to act when he heard The American might be constructed elsewhere. “We can’t lose it,” he said. The American, if it is constructed, will not be constructed at Holmes Peak, as originally intended, and, although no site has yet been determined, Dittmann said he’d like to see it built in west Tulsa. He said its construction could also ensure the construction of the Gilcrease Expressway. Gray said he couldn’t estimate a cost for the entire project, but the statue itself is projected to cost between $25 million and $30 million. Additional costs would be dependent on the site, he said. The goal of the meeting, according to those present, was to drum up additional community support and get the interest — and pocketbooks — of some of the city’s foremost philanthropists. Gray said $10 million of investment will get the project off the ground. The artist also hopes to secure city support in the form of infrastructure around the statue. Mark Snead, former director of the Center for Applied Economic Research at the Oklahoma State University Spears School of Business, conducted an economic impact study of The American and determined, upon opening, it would garner $36.5 illion in local tourism expenditures. Title: Re: \ Post by: perspicuity85 on October 11, 2010, 03:18:31 am My sincere hope for this project is that the construction begins but is left half unfinished, running out of money just as the legs, crotch, and buttocks are finished. Then, in order to re-coup costs, they will have to go ahead and put an observation tower in the crotch. I can see the advertisments now: Package deal! Two tickets to The American observation tower, two hot dogs, and two sodas...
Title: Re: \ Post by: Ed W on October 11, 2010, 02:22:18 pm My sincere hope for this project is that the construction begins but is left half unfinished, running out of money just as the legs, crotch, and buttocks are finished. Then, in order to re-coup costs, they will have to go ahead and put an observation tower in the crotch. I can see the advertisments now: Package deal! Two tickets to The American observation tower, two hot dogs, and two sodas... I'll bet a lot of jocks would sign up for that. Title: Re: \ Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 17, 2012, 07:03:14 pm Quote Artist Shan Gray wasn't able to speak with us on camera but he does confirm he is focused on Sand Springs. He says it's a great city, full of great people, and is an ideal location for his statue. Title: Re: \ Post by: swake on April 17, 2012, 08:09:21 pm http://www.newson6.com/story/17518238/sand-springs-hopes-for-21-story-statue-the-american I hate to use it on two posts in a row, but it works: (http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4061/4669812732_5407c2534c_z.jpg) Title: Re: \ Post by: Conan71 on April 17, 2012, 09:13:07 pm $han won’t $peak on camera? Wonder why that i$?
Something about snake oil salesmen comes to mind. Title: Re: "The American" Statue Post by: BKDotCom on November 04, 2012, 06:05:51 am This statue just won't die
http://www.newson6.com/story/19995746/sand-springs-voters-to-decide-on-hike-in-motel-tax-for-the-american-statue Edit: woo hoo! We're now in the half of the year when the time stamps of the posts are correct Title: Re: \ Post by: heironymouspasparagus on November 04, 2012, 08:35:20 am I have really started to like Sand Springs - it "feels" like a different town than when I was growing up. But now they have this idiot mayor....geez, people! What is in those springs that they are drinking to get this guy?
I also really like the idea of having that statue built, but a million and a half people per year?? Making this a major destination due to the statue? We already have quite a few "destinations" that I consider more major than this, and we still hear the lament about how relatively few those bring in without conventions, etc to get people here. Somewhere, sometime, we are going to have to face the facts. We are not Orlando, or Anaheim, or Estes Park. We have some really great stuff, but we are not and are not likely to be a major vacation/tourist destination. We are a bigger version of the tourist sites of interest that people used to stop to look at along the way, as they are going to and fro - if they happen to be here for some event, or happen to stop here during their travels. The type of tourist who used to stop at Nickerson Farms.... And that can be - and I think is - very good. Another 'blue whale' or worlds largest totem pole is not gonna build a major destination. And how many people specifically come to Tulsa to see Philbrook or Gilcrease - I am sure there are some...maybe even many, but as good as they are - I love them both - they are NOT major destinations. Quick question - just curious; how many regulars (or irregulars) here have been out to see - in a reasonable past time frame, say the last 5 to 10 years; - the worlds largest totem pole - Woolaroc - Tallgrass prairie - Round barn at Arcadia - Popz - Eagle sanctuary during breeding season Title: Re: \ Post by: Ed W on November 04, 2012, 09:10:57 am Here's my concept of the gift shop version of the statue:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8205/8154026415_ec64a62e50_m.jpg) And we know the demographic of possible buyers: (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8347/8154059287_f1e8d49bd6_m.jpg) Title: Re: \ Post by: heironymouspasparagus on November 04, 2012, 10:44:56 am Here's my concept of the gift shop version of the statue: And we know the demographic of possible buyers: Be nice! Have a Snickers! Ya get a little angry when you're hungry.... Oh, wait...that's probably me that gets a little angry... you are always pretty mellow. Title: Re: \ Post by: Ed W on November 04, 2012, 11:37:48 am Be nice! Have a Snickers! Ya get a little angry when you're hungry.... When I'm hungry, I get a little bit cranky. Kinda like this guy: (http://milehighscifi.com/images/shirts/mhsf-snake-detail.jpg) Title: Re: \ Post by: DowntownDan on November 05, 2012, 10:40:48 am My thought is that this thing only works if it is visible from one or more of the major highways in Tulsa or becomes part of one of the major museums. You cant just tuck it away in the norther part of a suburb and expect people to go out of their way to see it. The only place tucked away that it might work would be Gilcrease because it gets traffic in and of itself.
Title: Re: \ Post by: heironymouspasparagus on November 05, 2012, 03:22:07 pm My thought is that this thing only works if it is visible from one or more of the major highways in Tulsa or becomes part of one of the major museums. You cant just tuck it away in the norther part of a suburb and expect people to go out of their way to see it. The only place tucked away that it might work would be Gilcrease because it gets traffic in and of itself. Probably true. Has to be like Devil's Tower in Wyoming - you can see it for a while and let the kids generate enough torture for the parents that they HAVE to stop and see it. Must be seen from I-44. Title: Re: \ Post by: cannon_fodder on November 05, 2012, 04:53:12 pm Very few places draw tourists for one attraction. Usually it is a combination that makes people come. OKC draws events because they have enough other stuff in a compact area (convention center, arena, bricktown, gardens, memorial, hotels, movies, some shopping). A convention, basketball tournament, or whatever is more likely to come and come back if the destination has other things to do (hence the convention/whatever will continue to draw people too).
Memphis has Beal street, Elvis, and historical things to go along with the Forum. KC built the Power and Light to compliment everything else (Union station, WWI, river boats, bbq). Few places have one thing. The American would be one more thing. I hope it would be the draw they say, but realistically i think it would be one more reason to come and/or a to-do for those already coming. Cliche as it may be, i still hope it gets built. Title: The American Post by: Townsend on November 06, 2012, 07:55:29 am Cliche as it may be, i still hope it gets built. I agree. Maybe the owner of the Abundant Life building could donate the property. Those bordering homes wouldn't mind walking in their back yard and looking up a giant loin cloth. Title: Re: \ Post by: RecycleMichael on November 06, 2012, 08:43:00 am Title: Re: \ Post by: heironymouspasparagus on November 06, 2012, 09:22:42 am Memphis has Beal street, Elvis, and historical things to go along with the Forum. KC built the Power and Light to compliment everything else (Union station, WWI, river boats, bbq). Few places have one thing. Beale St Memphis has gotta be one of the most overrated "attractions" I have ever been to. They even have a "building" that is only the facade - being propped up by steel supports. Barbeque is highly overrated downtown - there is a place out east around Germantown that is MUCH better. And there is a pan fried chicken place out east the will make you think of Grandma's house on Sunday afternoon when you were a kid. (Saz's in Milwaukee is better,for that matter...) If you are in Memphis for the music, then fine, but pretty much anything else, there is better elsewhere. We have a big assortment of attractions that would make a VERY good, week long excursion sightseeing trip - just no real 'anchor' to act as main attraction. (See the list I posted previously - that is partial.) And we even got that big gold ...... symbol down at 81st & Lewis as a point of interest. Never ceases to amaze me how people coming to town will ask about it and want to drive by. An ORU attraction. Plus, there are always the turnpikes.... single biggest pisser-offer of out of state people I talk to about coming here. But hey, we get "other" people to pay for our roads. Talk about an entitlement attitude... we don't even want to invest in the single most important infrastructure item for travel in this country - we want others to pay for it for us. (Is the disdain palpable in the air...it should be.) Title: Re: \ Post by: Ed W on November 06, 2012, 04:16:26 pm We'll put it alongside US169 in Owasso, but it will need a change or two and the addition of some blindingly bright lights:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7108/8162348945_ca06300e73_m.jpg) It's just an idea, of course. Title: Re: \ Post by: zstyles on November 09, 2012, 01:47:15 pm Beale St Memphis has gotta be one of the most overrated "attractions" I have ever been to. They even have a "building" that is only the facade - being propped up by steel supports. Barbeque is highly overrated downtown - there is a place out east around Germantown that is MUCH better. And there is a pan fried chicken place out east the will make you think of Grandma's house on Sunday afternoon when you were a kid. (Saz's in Milwaukee is better,for that matter...) If you are in Memphis for the music, then fine, but pretty much anything else, there is better elsewhere. Memphis is one place that I can honestly say I did not enjoy visiting, we actually left the city early.... Title: Re: \ Post by: heironymouspasparagus on November 10, 2012, 12:05:47 am Memphis is one place that I can honestly say I did not enjoy visiting, we actually left the city early.... Go east of town to Germantown area. Nice. Just not much to do beyond eat some good food. Memphis had a wonderful relic that was an honest to God tourist attraction draw - the Memphis Belle. They let it sit outside. Did NOTHING in the way of maintenance or upkeep - let the thing sit there and rot!! Finally, the Air Force museum got the wreck and is in process of restoration even as we type. They will appreciate it and give it a good home. What can you do to help a place that won't even lift a finger to help itself?? And you don't EVEN want to hear about some of the infrastructure issues with their public school buildings.... Title: Re: \ Post by: BKDotCom on April 14, 2013, 07:12:06 am will... not... die...
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Investors_on_giant_Indian_monument_The_American_set/20130414_82_A17_CUTLIN52017 Quote Investors on giant Indian monument 'The American' set to make pitch to Sand Springs City Council SAND SPRINGS - Representatives for "The American," a 21-story bronze monument pitched off and on for nearly a decade, are preparing to speak with the City Council next month about a possible partnership that could make the project a go. City Manager Rocky Rogers said that they will have an executive session on May 20 in which the monument group will likely be requesting incentives the city could offer to help secure the project. The project will have infrastructure needs in terms of sewer, water and roadways. If the council decides to vote on the issue, they will have to do so in open session, Rogers said. City Attorney David Weatherford said that the closed session is permitted by law when discussing economic development issues. The site would be on private land owned by the Sand Springs Home a couple of miles north of the city but in Osage County. Sand Springs Home Trustee Ron Weese said that the Home is willing to sell the rural property to the monument group and that the monument would be visible from downtown Sand Springs. "They've got to make their decision that they're going to do it," Weese said. No one connected to the project is willing to pinpoint the exact spot where the looming structure would be erected. "It's just confidential until they come up with a deal," Weese said. Investors were encouraged in November when voters approved an increase to the hotel/motel tax by a little more than 62 percent. The increased tax is estimated to generate about $90,000 a year for tourism and economic development, including the promotion of the monumental attraction. "That was a vindication," said Osage Indian sculptor Shan Gray, creator of the monument. Gray said that he has been working on 8-foot clay models in an effort to determine the final dimensions and hopes to have it complete by May 20 for the council's viewing. Chris Bolding of Edmond represents the investors and will likely be the speaker, Gray said. "We're getting much closer now. There's just so many things I'm not allowed to say," Gray said. "It'll certainly be worthy of where it is going. If it's not perfect, it's not going up." Gray said many of the investors are still on board even after the recession because they believe in the project. At 217 feet, The American would be taller than the Statue of Liberty in New York. The monument depicts an American Indian warrior with a bald eagle landing on his forearm. The wingspan of the eagle would be 103 feet, nearly half the height of the structure. An elevator would carry visitors to a gallery two-thirds of the way up the monument. An observation deck would be located in the forehead of the statue. It has been estimated that the attraction would attract between 1.5 million to 2.2 million visitors a year. Holmes Peak, about seven miles northwest of downtown Tulsa, was the original site proposed for the statue when it was announced in 2004, but four years later backers announced that the project would be moved to a 300-acre site 3 1/2 miles away. Officials will not confirm if the latter site is the one currently being referenced. Gray's previous work includes larger-than-life bronzes of three Miss Americas from Oklahoma - Jane Jayroe, Susan Powell and Shawntel Smith. He also sculpted University of Oklahoma Heisman trophy winner Billy Vessels and Oklahoma actor James Garner. Title: Re: \ Post by: Gaspar on April 15, 2013, 12:17:32 pm (http://comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/star-trek-william-shatner-kirk.jpg)
Title: Re: The American Post by: BKDotCom on May 28, 2013, 05:53:07 am More statue PR spam "news"
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Plan_for_21_story_Sand_Springs_monument_moving_along/20130528_11_A1_SANDSP633774#comments Quote Plan for 21-story Sand Springs monument moving along SAND SPRINGS - Talks on a proposal for the city to partner with developers of a 21-story bronze monument known as "The American" have been behind closed doors, but the City Council appears to be on board. City Manager Rocky Rogers said the council recently met with sculptor Shan Gray, a structural engineering firm and investors. They have asked staff to work on cost estimates for some of the infrastructure needed for the mammoth attraction, including water lines, sewer service and roadways. "The council is much more at ease as far as the project goes and is willing to proceed forward with a future investment in the project," Rogers said. The City Council could vote on the issue as soon as June 10. Mayor Mike Burdge said councilors are looking at how the infrastructure could be funded, which would not only benefit the monument attraction but also be in place for any other development that it might attract. "The council is paying attention to the expenses. We're committed mostly to getting the infrastructure there for them," Burdge said. Investors were encouraged in November when voters approved an increase to the hotel/motel tax by a little more than 62 percent. The increased tax will generate an estimated $90,000 a year for tourism and economic development, including the promotion of the monumental attraction. Councilman James Rankin said he definitely supports the project. It would be a "game changer" for Sand Springs, he said. "They certainly have asked us to contribute infrastructure to it. I think that is a doable thing," Rankin said. "From our conversation we had previously, they just have to lock down their specific location." The site would be on private land owned by the Sand Springs Home, a residential care facility a couple miles north of the city but in Osage County. The property would possibly be annexed into the city limits. Rogers said the facility, which owns thousands of acres, plans to donate a small portion of land to start and sell the remaining land that will be needed. "They haven't picked an exact (site) yet. That's what we're working on," Rogers said. The city of Tulsa was initially approached about the project nearly 10 years ago. Holmes Peak, about seven miles northwest of downtown Tulsa, was the original site proposed for the statue in 2004. Four years later backers announced that the project would be moved to a 300-acre site 3 1/2 miles away. Then came the economic recession, and the project lost momentum. The artist said he now feels that they are in the final stretch of making the project happen. "We are very excited and making progress as we speak," Gray said. Gray said the land is wooded and a fly-over will help determine the best spot for the statue. "It's fairly pristine wilderness. There's not much development at all," he said. Gray, in conjunction with consulting engineers, is working to complete an 8-foot model of the monument. "It's been an interesting journey, but I'm anxious for people to see the final version," he said. The statue will house an elevator and 4-foot-wide stairwells and will be engineered to withstand 200 mph straight winds, which Gray said is about double the strength of commercial buildings. At 217 feet, The American would be taller than the Statue of Liberty in New York. It depicts an American Indian warrior with a bald eagle landing on his forearm. The wingspan of the eagle would be 103 feet, nearly half the height of the structure. An elevator would carry visitors to a gallery two-thirds of the way up the monument. An observation deck would be located in the forehead of the statue. It has been estimated that the attraction would attract between 1.5 million to 2.2 million visitors a year. Councilman Brian Jackson said that the Gateway Arch in St. Louis was a big idea and so is The American. "Our community is known for big ideas, starting with our founder Charles Page, and this just continues that legacy," he said. Title: Re: \ Post by: DTowner on May 28, 2013, 08:17:06 am It's been 10 years and he still hasn't finished that 8 foot model.
Title: Re: \ Post by: carltonplace on May 28, 2013, 08:38:04 am "It's fairly pristine wilderness. There's not much development at all," he said. And likely to stay that way Title: Re: \ Post by: Conan71 on May 28, 2013, 10:10:26 am "game changer" there's an over-used term.
Title: Re: \ Post by: Townsend on May 28, 2013, 11:27:15 am The location is slowly moving West.
Give it another 30 years and it'll finally go up in OKC. Title: Re: \ Post by: swake on May 28, 2013, 12:10:29 pm It's been 10 years and he still hasn't finished that 8 foot model. March 2004, Tulsa and Oklahoma City are competing for the statue that is almost paid for and will be done by 2007! http://www.altustimes.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Artist+wants+17-story+statue%20&id=1276384 April 2004, Tulsa beats out Oklahoma City for the American! http://oudaily.com/news/2004/apr/15/thank-you-giant-indian-statue/ December 2004, Gray is working on a 4’ model http://newsok.com/funds-grow-for-giant-statue-br-tulsas-donations-starting-to-outrun-oklahoma-citys-for-a-17-story-tall-indian./article/2877898/?page=2 July 2009, Gray is almost done with a 6’ model http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A27438 March 2010, Gray is on working on a now 8.5’ model http://distinctlyoklahoma.com/art/artist-shan-gray/ November 2012, working on 8’ models, the model shrank, but now there’s MORE THAN ONE! http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Sand_Springs_voters_may_give_boost_to_21_story_American/20121101_82_a13_cutlin817895 May 2013, A single 8’ model is STILL being worked on, but somewhere it lost its other 8’ friends. No word on the 4’, 6’ or 8.5’ versions either. http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Plan_for_21_story_Sand_Springs_monument_moving_along/20130528_11_A1_SANDSP633774#comments Title: Re: \ Post by: Conan71 on May 28, 2013, 12:29:27 pm May 2013, A single 8’ model is STILL being worked on, but somewhere it lost its other 8’ friends. No word on the 4’, 6’ or 8.5’ versions either. http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Plan_for_21_story_Sand_Springs_monument_moving_along/20130528_11_A1_SANDSP633774#comments Alien abductions, I suppose. Title: Re: \ Post by: Hoss on May 28, 2013, 02:22:09 pm Alien abductions, I suppose. (http://i.imgflip.com/1pk0s.jpg) (http://imgflip.com/i/1pk0s)via Imgflip Meme Maker (http://imgflip.com/memegenerator) Title: Re: \ Post by: Conan71 on May 28, 2013, 02:41:44 pm (http://i.imgflip.com/1pk0s.jpg) (http://imgflip.com/i/1pk0s)via Imgflip Meme Maker (http://imgflip.com/memegenerator) Well-played Title: Re: \ Post by: Gaspar on May 29, 2013, 06:57:47 am That reminds me, I need to get a haircut today.
Title: Re: \ Post by: Red Arrow on May 29, 2013, 06:59:56 am That reminds me, I need to get a haircut today. Which one? I usually get them all cut. ;D Title: Re: "The American" Post by: patric on July 24, 2014, 08:55:39 pm Vision 2025 project could be canceled
TULSA, OK. — It was passed by a vote of the public more than 10 years ago as part of Vision 2025, but now an Indian Cultural Center in west Tulsa might not be built after all. The project supervisor told FOX23 this all comes down to money and he doesn’t see how supporters have the funds to complete their part of the project. “This is our lone holdout for a potential project that is not able to be completed in the potential time frame,” said Vision 2025 supervisor Kirby Crowe. Crowe said more than 95 percent of the projects have been completed but the Indian Cultural Center proposed near Tulsa Hills is what concerns him most. “Vision 2025 has a lifespan. The sales tax expires in a couple of years, and it intends to have all of the funds for the projects and the projects completed shortly thereafter,” Crowe said. Crowe said he isn’t opposed to the center, but the group in charge of raising the money has reported little to no progress on raising the $8 to $10 million needed and there is no reason the county should pay for new roads and new utility access to a building that doesn’t exist. The fundraising group, Native Indian Monument Incorporated, said the person in charge of the fundraising efforts recently died and the group is searching for a new director. Greater Tulsa Indian Affairs Commission called the project a necessary community enrichment project that will attract national and international visitors. It has requested a special meeting with Crowe’s company, local tribal leaders, and NIMI. Crowe said that even if the money is raised, it is too late to have the center at 71st and Elwood. River Parks owns the land and has canceled the lease. “So there’s not the site for it anymore, and the sign’s been down for a couple of years, the fundraising sign. And we’re concerned,” Crowe said. http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/vision-2025-project-could-be-canceled/ngnLL/ Title: Re: "The American" Post by: swake on July 24, 2014, 09:31:55 pm Vision 2025 project could be canceled TULSA, OK. — It was passed by a vote of the public more than 10 years ago as part of Vision 2025, but now an Indian Cultural Center in west Tulsa might not be built after all. The project supervisor told FOX23 this all comes down to money and he doesn’t see how supporters have the funds to complete their part of the project. “This is our lone holdout for a potential project that is not able to be completed in the potential time frame,” said Vision 2025 supervisor Kirby Crowe. Crowe said more than 95 percent of the projects have been completed but the Indian Cultural Center proposed near Tulsa Hills is what concerns him most. “Vision 2025 has a lifespan. The sales tax expires in a couple of years, and it intends to have all of the funds for the projects and the projects completed shortly thereafter,” Crowe said. Crowe said he isn’t opposed to the center, but the group in charge of raising the money has reported little to no progress on raising the $8 to $10 million needed and there is no reason the county should pay for new roads and new utility access to a building that doesn’t exist. The fundraising group, Native Indian Monument Incorporated, said the person in charge of the fundraising efforts recently died and the group is searching for a new director. Greater Tulsa Indian Affairs Commission called the project a necessary community enrichment project that will attract national and international visitors. It has requested a special meeting with Crowe’s company, local tribal leaders, and NIMI. Crowe said that even if the money is raised, it is too late to have the center at 71st and Elwood. River Parks owns the land and has canceled the lease. “So there’s not the site for it anymore, and the sign’s been down for a couple of years, the fundraising sign. And we’re concerned,” Crowe said. http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/vision-2025-project-could-be-canceled/ngnLL/ Monetta Trepp passed away a little over a year ago. She was a descendant of the Perryman family, the real founders of Tulsa and owner of Perryman Ranch. She was the head of the group working on that center and with her passing that effort is probably over. Title: Re: \ Post by: AquaMan on July 25, 2014, 06:42:02 am What will happen to the money collected for that project? And why would River Parks cancel the lease two years ago?
Title: Re: \ Post by: Vision 2025 on July 25, 2014, 08:17:43 am What will happen to the money collected for that project? And why would River Parks cancel the lease two years ago? As I understand it River Parks didn't "cancel" (and if I said that I misspoke) the lease it expired and as I recall, the it did have project milestones requirements. RPA has indicated to me that they are planning a different direction with that site now. As for what happens to the funds if the project does not go forward, in accordance with the ballot resolutions it falls to the responsibility of the Vision Authority (4 Mayors & 3 County Commissioners) to make the determination of another project use following a public hearing. This is the same entity that made the determination to raise the funding level for the Arena and convention Center. Title: Re: \ Post by: Conan71 on July 25, 2014, 08:35:53 am As I understand it River Parks didn't "cancel" (and if I said that I misspoke) the lease it expired and as I recall, the it did have project milestones requirements. RPA has indicated to me that they are planning a different direction with that site now. As for what happens to the funds if the project does not go forward, in accordance with the ballot resolutions it falls to the responsibility of the Vision Authority (4 Mayors & 3 County Commissioners) to make the determination of another project use following a public hearing. This is the same entity that made the determination to raise the funding level for the Arena and convention Center. Out of curiosity, what was the specific location of the parcel in relation to 71st & Elwood? Title: Re: \ Post by: DTowner on July 25, 2014, 08:45:55 am Oklahoma seems to have a problem completing Indian museums.
How much 2025 money was designated to this project? Title: Re: \ Post by: DolfanBob on July 25, 2014, 10:18:47 am Lack of money huh? They should talk to the Indian tribe out in Catoosa. They have just about ran out of ideas to blow money on.
Title: Re: \ Post by: Vision 2025 on July 25, 2014, 01:29:14 pm Oklahoma seems to have a problem completing Indian museums. $2.0 MillionHow much 2025 money was designated to this project? Title: Re: \ Post by: Vision 2025 on July 25, 2014, 01:31:04 pm Out of curiosity, what was the specific location of the parcel in relation to 71st & Elwood? More or less the NE Corner but the primary location was a bit further to the East, close to the old creen waste location and took in that site.Title: Re: \ Post by: RecycleMichael on July 25, 2014, 01:49:30 pm That is an awesome site for something cool. It has a great view of downtown and the river. It also has a path that leads right into the Turkey Mountain Wilderness area.
I hope whatever they do keeps in mind that this is true urban wilderness. There are many, many hikers, strollers, and mountain bike enthusiasts that love Turkey Mountain. A green museum, conference center, or boutique hotel would work. Title: Re: \ Post by: Conan71 on July 25, 2014, 02:37:54 pm More or less the NE Corner but the primary location was a bit further to the East, close to the old creen waste location and took in that site. Down near the old drying beds or on the upper elevation to the west of the drying beds? Title: Re: \ Post by: Conan71 on July 25, 2014, 03:15:31 pm That is an awesome site for something cool. It has a great view of downtown and the river. It also has a path that leads right into the Turkey Mountain Wilderness area. I hope whatever they do keeps in mind that this is true urban wilderness. There are many, many hikers, strollers, and mountain bike enthusiasts that love Turkey Mountain. A green museum, conference center, or boutique hotel would work. Thank you again for helping to organize the beautification day. It really made a difference in some of the trails! Title: Re: \ Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 27, 2014, 09:23:47 pm That is an awesome site for something cool. It has a great view of downtown and the river. It also has a path that leads right into the Turkey Mountain Wilderness area. I hope whatever they do keeps in mind that this is true urban wilderness. There are many, many hikers, strollers, and mountain bike enthusiasts that love Turkey Mountain. A green museum, conference center, or boutique hotel would work. Turkey Mountain area is the big problem...it's the biggest unoccupied area that could easily be converted to "growth and livability" quickly and easily. Just scrape the top of it off so it's about 50 feet above riverbank level, slap on a few condos, gated community, a walking shopping center (we could get with the Riverwalk designers....) and the entire area will benefit from hundreds of millions of dollars of "growth and livability".... The views would be great - gates could be added to the communities like on the east side of the river just a little south of the area. It's a win!! And please tell me everyone who reads this does understand the sarcasm.... with just a pinch of scorn and a little infusion of extra virgin olive oil! Title: Re: \ Post by: AquaMan on July 28, 2014, 06:48:01 am Even that would not work unless........wait for it......."We put WATER IN THE RIVER!"
Title: Re: Post by: Ed W on July 28, 2014, 09:19:26 am As an upstanding suburban citizen on blood pressure meds that include a powerful diuretic, I'll do my part to put water in the river. Just let me have another cup of coffee first.
Title: Re: \ Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 28, 2014, 10:43:12 am Even that would not work unless........wait for it......."We put WATER IN THE RIVER!" Ok...so Riverwalk didn't work because of no water?? Hey! Just had a thought!! Maybe that's why the refineries and concrete place continue to do so well - they have water in the river next to them!! Ok, I get it now.... Not just for you - not targeting you at all, Aqua, just commentary on our ongoing, continuous dissatisfaction, otherwise known as our short attention span (TADHD - Tulsa ADHD.... I see/hear/ these discussions about how "wouldn't it be wonderful in only we had/did/built/moved this..." Always on the treadmill of the next big thing - never any satisfaction with what we have in place, which is actually quite a LOT. Always makes me think of the Gerry Rafferty song, "Baker Street".... Paraphrased; This city desert makes us feel so cold It's got so many people, but it's got no dam And it's taken us so long To find out we were wrong When we thought a dam held everything Another dam and then we'd be happy... Just one more dam and then we'd be happy... But we're crying, we're crying now... Maybe Weird Al should do a customized Tulsa river version... Or if one wants to hear the real words...better entertainment.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSIw09oqsYo&list=RDlSIw09oqsYo Title: Re: Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 28, 2014, 10:44:58 am As an upstanding suburban citizen on blood pressure meds that include a powerful diuretic, I'll do my part to put water in the river. Just let me have another cup of coffee first. Too much of that going on now anyway - don't need anymore! Would much rather have the dams and stop the sewage drainage.... Title: Re: \ Post by: AquaMan on July 28, 2014, 10:48:18 am H, I was being sarcastic. And I still am. Seems everything in Tulsa would be better, we would have attracted the Thunder, we wouldn't have lost the 66'ers, Bell's would still be here on the West Bank and the Shock would be in the playoffs.......if we just had....WATER IN THE RIVER!.
Title: Re: \ Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 28, 2014, 10:54:55 am H, I was being sarcastic. And I still am. Seems everything in Tulsa would be better, we would have attracted the Thunder, we wouldn't have lost the 66'ers, Bell's would still be here on the West Bank and the Shock would be in the playoffs.......if we just had....WATER IN THE RIVER!. Sorry...inflection missing moment... I still would LOVE to have water in the river!! The entire human species is definitely "keyed" into being near water....longing for our roots, I guess... but it sure won't cure anything that is terminal anyway! And WAY too many of the development ideas we see littered around town are terminal....or already dead!! Growth for growth's sake is the concept that needs to die!! Title: Re: \ Post by: cannon_fodder on July 28, 2014, 01:18:00 pm Does that mean 1st Place Lofts will lose funding if it doesn't have a completion plan soon?
Title: Re: \ Post by: Conan71 on July 28, 2014, 01:46:07 pm Does that mean 1st Place Lofts will lose funding if it doesn't have a completion plan soon? Put water in 1st St. and they will get finished. Title: Re: \ Post by: Townsend on July 28, 2014, 01:49:37 pm Does that mean 1st Place Lofts will lose funding if it doesn't have a completion plan soon? I think it's had several. Title: Re: \ Post by: saintnicster on July 28, 2014, 02:32:20 pm Does that mean 1st Place Lofts will lose funding if it doesn't have a completion plan soon? This came out a while back. http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=20569.msg283701#msg283701.This was specifically said about the 2025 money. Quote TDA gave Sager the money, in the form of a loan, as part of the Vision 2025 funds devoted to developing downtown housing. Walker said TDA expects Sager to pay the money back by 2017. If he does not, and Sager says he will, the TDA could pursue legal action. Title: The American Post by: Townsend on January 08, 2016, 12:24:08 pm $460K? Why haven't we gone this route? Heck, the Chinese might let us have the head.
Mysterious Giant Golden Statue Of Mao Is Gone http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/mysterious-giant-golden-statue-mao-gone (http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/mysterious-giant-golden-statue-mao-gone) (http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/shared/npr/styles/placed_wide/nprshared/201601/462372626.jpg) Quote A 121-foot-high statue of Mao Zedong mysteriously cropped up in a remote field in China's central Henan province, as we reported this week. But it seems the homage to the founder of Communist China didn't have much time in the sun. The golden statue grabbed international headlines, sparking criticism and ridicule. Now, local residents and officials say the statue has been torn down, according to media reports. Images circulating on social media show the tribute to Mao with a black cloth draped over its head and missing parts of its legs and arms. "Demolition teams arrived Thursday morning, villagers said, and by Friday morning only a pile of rubble remained," The New York Times reports. Here's more: "Public Security officials and groups of unidentified men in olive green greatcoats brusquely turned away visitors and blocked road access to the site, outside the village of Zhushigang. "Villagers said the guards had been sent by officials in Tongxu County, which includes Zhushigang. They said they believed the statue was torn down on orders from provincial officials." It's not immediately clear why the statue was destroyed. A local resident told The Guardian that he heard "it was because it had occupied a farmer's land." The newspaper says local media reports that "the statue had not gone through the correct 'approval process' before construction." The criticism and ridicule might have had something to do with it. As The Two-Way reported Tuesday, "Henan province was one of the worst-hit areas of what has become known as the 'Great Famine' during Mao's rule, so a statue of Mao in the middle of farmland there might seem like a surprising choice." The statue also garnered criticism for its steep price tag — about $460,000 — in the middle of what was once one of China's most impoverished areas. Title: Re: \ Post by: cannon_fodder on January 08, 2016, 03:14:48 pm Hey, Tulsa is now in "The American" Athletic Conference... so we kind of got a The American. Right
Sad truth: when our own Michael was peddling his statue idea, it didn't even trigger a memory of The American. Title: Re: \ Post by: CoffeeBean on January 09, 2016, 09:38:23 am How did the Vision package miss this opportunity?
Title: Re: \ Post by: BKDotCom on February 25, 2018, 09:04:36 pm I'm starting to think this is never going to happen.
LOL Title: Re: \ Post by: Conan71 on February 25, 2018, 10:16:34 pm I'm starting to think this is never going to happen. LOL Or just severe construction delays, from 2007 on this thread: Quote Today, I got word back on an email from "The American" staff. Minus pleasantries and names, here it is: "Our projected goal is to complete the first of two phases of fundraising this fall/winter 2007. If successful, we will begin construction of the statue at that point. Construction of support facilities will follow in the second phase of fundraising. There is a four - six (4-6) month start-up phase with construction of the statue, so evidence of the statue construction would not be visible immediately, probably not until around May of 2008. We plan to have a groundbreaking when construction officially begins. I hope that answers your question. If not, just let me know and I will attempt to answer your question more fully." Title: Re: \ Post by: Townsend on February 26, 2018, 11:49:16 am Not much happening on the website...
http://www.theamerican.com/ (http://www.theamerican.com/) Title: Re: \ Post by: sgrizzle on March 01, 2018, 01:54:40 pm I actually have a nervous reaction every time this topic pops up.
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