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Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: Rico on May 03, 2007, 08:11:05 pm This article, along with the news of Google in Pryor, strikes me as extremely good news..![8D]
Housing is being built in locations that have not seen activity in years. "many years" I know there must be someone that happened to be at the TMAPC hearing yesterday that can shed a little more light on this...... Lookout Mountain Estates, from the southeast corner of West 31st Street and 37th West Avenue, is 57 lots six blocks on nearly 144 acres. It is the first large housing development in Southwest Tulsa for decades. A preliminary plat was presented to the Tulsa Metropolitan Area Planning Commission at 1:30 p. m. May 2. The developer is American West Enterprises of Sacramento, Calif. They are using DeShazo, Tang & Associates, Inc. engineers and planners in Tulsa. The Tulsa firm asks for three waivers of the Subdivision Regulations. The firm said the two-acre lots will be too steep for sidewalks, that the cul-de-sacs need to be longer than required due to the terrain, and that a 1500-foot road running east and west adjacent to the KTUL property cannot have a required cul-de-sac due to the terrain. The firm said they met with the Tulsa County engineer on the waivers. A call to American West Enterprises was not returned Friday. Meanwhile, at the Southwest Tulsa Education Initiative meeting Thursday at Robertson Elementary, Park principal Jennifer Gripado was excited by the prospect of more houses. Her school is expected to have 180 pupils next year, which would make it the second smallest in Tulsa Public Schools. The initiative voted to write letters of support for Lookout Mountain Estates. In notes from the Technical Advisory Committee Meeting, it said "additional easement may be required to accommodate the required sanitary sewer mainline extension." On water, the notes said "area can be served by a City of Tulsa primary system. Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: rwarn17588 on May 03, 2007, 10:26:12 pm Here comes gentrification to Red Fork.
Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: pmcalk on May 04, 2007, 07:41:11 am I believe that yesterday's meeting was just for a site-plan review--there was no change of zoning. Since it's zoned agriculture, that means these will be pretty large lots--over an acre. The subdivision regulations that the paper refers to controls how the streets are built, and requires sidewalks. Because of the terrain, the developer was asking to be excused from some of the requirements. Even though the TMAPC usually is very reluctant to waive sidewalk requirements, they did this time, and they waived the other requirements that the developer requested. A few neighbors showed up to speak. None were opposed to the development, but they had questions and concerns. Its always helpful when a developer meets with neighborhoods first, to answer questions and help eliminate concerns. It can save a lot of headache down the road.
Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: AngieB on May 04, 2007, 07:50:06 am quote: Who's it gonna displace? Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: rwarn17588 on May 07, 2007, 06:26:54 pm No one, right away.
But Lookout Mountain Estates will inevitably exert an influence on nearby property. You can bet in the next five years or sooner that old homes north of 41st Street will be sold, bulldozed and bigger, snazzier homes built. It's a bittersweet feeling right now. I'm sure all this new development will help Red Fork and the local schools (and maybe we'll finally get a grocery in Crystal City in the bargain). But I like Red Fork and its working-class vibe. I don't want that to be destroyed, and I don't want home values to skyrocket so much that I can't afford to live here anymore. Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: mr.jaynes on May 07, 2007, 11:09:51 pm quote: Red Fork, I salute you-you're my kinda people. I too liked the vibe that Red Fork gave out. Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: In_Tulsa on May 08, 2007, 07:48:44 am I love the vibe too ROLL UP THE WINDOWS KIDS and LETS GET THE HELL OUT FAST.
Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: AngieB on May 08, 2007, 07:53:28 am quote: Forum decorum prevents me from responding to this in a way I'd really like to. Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: Conan71 on May 08, 2007, 08:32:36 am quote: Just give it a try, I think there is an automatic editor which would bleep anything too inflamatory. [;)] Personally, I've seen a lot more pride put into properties in Red Fork than there was 20 years ago. I'd love to see investment in Crystal City. If a development like this would help, then it's not a bad thing. I don't really see any detriment to the surrounding community unless this Lookout Mountain development is crappy new construction similar to some of the development they built off 61st between Union and 33rd W. back in the '80's. Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: In_Tulsa on May 08, 2007, 09:54:07 am Don't get mad but HOW can you not say that area is a big DUMP it has run down houses no shoping lots of crime lots of white trash people it has nothing going for it but rats and by the look of things alot of rats. And you can't forget all the broke down cars in the street.
Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: Conan71 on May 08, 2007, 10:12:15 am quote: Are you and Inteller twins? Garden City a dump, yes. Red Fork, a little rough around the edges. But it has really turned around in the last 20 years. It's not all white trash and crime. It's not perfect, but for the most part, there are a lot of hard-working and honest people who live in the area. If I were worried about crime vs. living arrangements, I'd live in Red Fork before I'd live at 21st & Garnett or 36th St. N. & Cincinnatti, or even Pine & Harvard. Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: rwarn17588 on May 08, 2007, 11:02:08 am In_Tulsa wrote:
lots of crime lots of white trash people it has nothing going for it but rats blah blah blah [and other poorly punctuated and misspelled rants that resemble the white trash that he/she so despises] <end clip> The crime rate is actually very low in Red Fork. It had its first homicide in over a year on New Year's Day, and that was a domestic. One homicide a year? You'd be hard-pressed to find any south Tulsa areas that have that few. Another reason crime is low: a lot of people have dogs. Not too many burglars are going to try anything when you have a barking canine around. Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: Conan71 on May 08, 2007, 11:07:48 am Obviously an image vs. reality thing from someone who drives past on I-244 every few months.
Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: AngieB on May 08, 2007, 11:45:30 am rwarn -- have you ever seen a rat anywhere in the area? I haven't. We have lived in our house for over ten years and have never had so much as a mouse!
In_Tulsa -- as for white trash people, if you want to think that, fine. And since whatever I say wouldn't change your opinion, this poor white trash beotch from the westside says FOAD. And now this piece of PWTFTW, will return to her work at her salaried, professional position with a major Tulsa employer. Thank you. Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: rwarn17588 on May 08, 2007, 11:52:07 am Nope, never seen a rat, or even a mouse.
I do see critters from time to time, like rabbits, a raccoon or two, a coyote once in a while and even a fox once. But I attribute that to wildlife living on Lookout Mountain and the surrounding hills, not vermin. Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: Conan71 on May 08, 2007, 11:55:56 am I don't live on the west side, but I work there, have friends that live there, and shop and eat over there. Only crime I've seen in Red Fork is the lunch buffet at Ollie's on certain days. [}:)]
Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: RLitterell on May 08, 2007, 12:28:34 pm I could not let this pass, I grew up in the Red Fork area, attended church at Red Fork Baptist Church (please save you're Baptist comments)and attended school. The only rats I ever saw were those car loads coming from east Tulsa looking for trouble after a friday night football game. Red Fork put Tulsa on the map. Without Red Fork and it's oil well there probably would have never been a Tulsa to speak of. The friends and family I have there and have had in the past are the reason for my success, however humble it may be, today. Good and honest people with a work ethic that seconds to none. Red Fork, in it's past glory was full of economic vigor. Hard times in the last 20 years has taken it's toll in some of it's areas and it's true that some of the homes there may not be up to certian levels of refinement and culture but I would rather live in the Red Fork area over any other place in the world. I miss it and it's people. Someday soon I will return there to retire and God willing spend my final days there. If you don't like Red Fork stay home. Those of us who cherish it will gladly live our peaceful lives without the benefit of your presence
*edited for spelling Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: MichaelC on May 08, 2007, 12:35:08 pm When I first moved to Tulsa I lived at the base of Look Out Mountain. I could walk cross country right up to KTUL. It's quiet except for the trains, little crime. Red Fork's alright.
Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: RecycleMichael on May 08, 2007, 12:41:26 pm My grandmother is 92 years old and never misses a Sunday at Red Fork Baptist Church.
Red Fork Main Street is going to make west Tulsa the place to be in a few years. Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: RLitterell on May 08, 2007, 12:51:55 pm quote: Really, I wonder if I know her. I go back to the days of Hub Collier as pastor, then Garnett Cole. Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: In_Tulsa on May 08, 2007, 01:13:54 pm I love to see people take pride in where they live. Way to go Red Fork.
Title: "Lookout Mountain Estates" Post by: mr.jaynes on May 15, 2007, 05:10:33 pm Show your pride, Red Fork!
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