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Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: TurismoDreamin on April 13, 2007, 08:02:29 pm I've seen it everyday since i've driven by it but i've never given it much thought until today.
I was on my way home from work today on 81st and Riverside driving southbound. I took notice to the construction of the new casino on my right and as the road started to curve, I looked to my left and saw that brown fence. Behind this fence is a large mobile home park. I think this large tract of land can be utilized in better ways than a place to park a residential structure. I mean with all the development that particular area has seen already with the Kohl's shopping center down the street, the Riverwalk, the aquarium, and the new casino, I just think that land is more valuable than what it's being used for. Comments?? Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: TheArtist on April 13, 2007, 08:20:41 pm I thought you were going to say the casino was the eyesore. I am sure most people do not pay much attention to the mobile home park. Once its completed, your eyes probably wont be drawn to anything else but that casino lol.
The markets will take care of that mobile home park if property in that area really becomes valuable. There is still a lot of available land to develop on in that area though before anyone may consider wanting that specific property. The tribe bought the property opposite the casino on the other side of the river. Rumor has it that they plan to eventually build their own riverwalk there and a pedestrian bridge to it The Jenks Riverwalk and theirs will link together with the resort hotel in the middle to form one long riverwalk. Just out of curiosity though. I wonder if the original rendering we saw of the casino is still what they are planning to build. A lot went on between the time we saw that original rendering and now. Just found this actually. http://www.cuningham.com/portfolio/casinos/Muscogee.html# I was wondering about the level of the property they were building on and why it was so low next to the river and why they didn't build it up. Then I was guessing about what appeared to be the strange way the iron was going up. It appeared that the casino floor was going to be well above the ground. I was also wondering why the area for the parking lot appeared to be so small. In this project description it says that under the casino will be a 495 car parking garage. Guess that answers most of my questions right there lol. Notice in the first rendering on that site how there is going to be a front drive about two stories above riverside. (http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4929/muscogee1ks8.jpg) (http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8026/muscogee3bt7.jpg) Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: patric on April 13, 2007, 09:29:13 pm quote: Nothing like a few high-power spotlights to complete the environmental rape of an endangered species habitat. So much for the traditional "Native American one-with-nature" perception.[V] It's just so wrong. Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: tulsa1603 on April 13, 2007, 10:10:21 pm quote: So are they going to tear down the hideous structures that are there currently? Please say yes...please say yes...please say yes.... The mobile home park has never really gotten to me, I guess...that stretch of Riverside was only completed 7 years ago...takes time to develop I guess. Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: TurismoDreamin on April 13, 2007, 10:29:05 pm Well, I actually kinda like the idea of the casino. But I dunno because like most people, i'm sure, I usually don't take much notice to that mobile home park either. But it just so happens that I took a gander in that direction with different thoughts in mind. Property values are definately sky-rocketing to some extent in that area, no doubt. And while there are other area's that can be developed, that particular plot of land just seems like it's in such a prime location, connecting both Riverside and Lewis, not to mention that it is pretty much riverfront property and everyone and their mom wants to jump on that asap.
Now that they're starting to erect the steel framework of the casino, i'm finally getting a feel for the scale of the project. It's larger than I expected. I did see a possible parking problem though since the only designated parking lot i've seen thus far is on the south side of the site. I wonder how many floors will be in this casino?? Looks like it could fit 3 or 4 within the framework so far. Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: TheArtist on April 14, 2007, 08:47:02 am I found an old article written before they put the new casino complex on hold for a bit. Change of developers I believe. I am having a hard time understanding what they are talking about.
http://www.muscogeenation-nsn.gov/MNN/MNN%20Online/november_05.pdf My guess is that it says. The old little casino will continue to operate right up until the new one opens. So though it may not be operating as a casino afterwards, there is no indication of whether it will be torn down. Also what interests me is that the article says. IF I am reading it right. That what we see in the rendering is just the first phase of a 3 phase project. Later phases will include a hotel, theater, stores, and restaurants. I also found this that says the Hotel will be started right after the new casino is finished. http://www.muscogeenation-nsn.gov/MNN/MNN%20Online/november_05.pdf Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: waterboy on April 14, 2007, 10:37:37 am Mobile home parks are a great investment. The cost of the construction is minimal, rents are comparatively high, maintenance is low and the profits quite good. It will take some good money to entice the owner to give it all up.
My brother lived in one of those homes when tornadoes and high water swept through there in '74. He tried to escape and made it over the rickety metal bridge over the creek that runs through the mobile park, but his little van flooded out on Lewis near ORU and he had to huddle with his wife and baby and listen to the tornado pass overhead. In my opinion the casino and their plans are as much an atrocity as their obscenely lit sign out front. With a little luck another tornadoe and flood will restore it to nature. Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: Who Cares on April 14, 2007, 12:26:47 pm quote: One point to make is that trailor park was there years before riverside drive was. back when that area was mainly country. Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: TurismoDreamin on April 14, 2007, 02:07:14 pm quote: I know I know, lol. I remember when Riverside ended on 71st Street, when 71st Street itself was never 6 lanes wide, the times I had when driving on the Jenks pedestrian bridge with my grandparents, and when "South Tulsa" was virutally nonexistent. Now everyone's trying to play catch up since development out-ran infrastructure. Now you see them widening two lane roads to become 4-5 lanes and intersections become supersections galore. Yes, that's true mobile home parks are a great investment, but even more so can be said about commercial developments. I'm sure as the city grows, that that particular plot of land will raise some eyebrows of many other itchy fingered business folks. Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: inteller on April 14, 2007, 06:51:02 pm "gaming floor atop an 495-car parking garage"
hey, this is the best thing I have heard in a while. certainly better than the surface parking lot disaster in downtown. Maybe the City could learn a few things from the indians. Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: cannon_fodder on April 16, 2007, 12:33:28 pm Until I can play cards without paying the house for the privilege or throw some dice... Oklahoma has no casinos. Why pretend that the form of gambling with the worst odds that brings the house the most money the fastest (SLOTS) is somehow less evil than other forms that involve skill and take time to lose your money?
Jerks. Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: ttownclown on April 17, 2007, 08:49:26 am quote: You can thank the state for the ante rule. Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: RecycleMichael on April 17, 2007, 11:10:25 am This is not true. The tribes blamed the state, but it was their idea and they put it in their gaming compact.
It was all just a lie to overcharge stupid Oklahoma gamblers who didn't know any better. In fact, The Osage Million Dollar Elm Casino just north of downtown Tulsa has stopped charging antes on blackjack on Sunday, Monday and Wednesdays. Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: RLitterell on April 17, 2007, 11:16:48 am quote: And you would move those people where? Don't they have a right to have a home? Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: patric on December 27, 2007, 11:50:13 am The link moved --
http://www.cuninghamgroup.com/invent/play/casinos/creek_nation_casino -- but the environmentally unfriendly ad lighting apparently remains. Maybe they'll train a couple of megawatt floodlights on a giant American flag in a patriotic gesture to compensate for trashing the bald eagle habitat. Yes, patriotism trumps environment, that's it. Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: Conan71 on December 27, 2007, 12:24:32 pm The mobile home park out south isn't near as obvious and doesn't look near as bad as most of the houses which are still right on Riverside between 41st & 51st.
Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: TulsaSooner on December 27, 2007, 12:44:16 pm That's the Employee Housing Initiative by the casino.
[:D] Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: Wrinkle on December 27, 2007, 01:17:44 pm That little mobile home park has some clout. They tried to oust them with r-o-w for the Riverside Drive extension and failed. Got a new bridge IIRC and RD goes around.
Wonder if someone could conjur up the actual owner? In any case, they're not hurting anyone, leave 'em alone. Economics will eventually rule. Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: Wrinkle on December 27, 2007, 01:31:25 pm (http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5268/rdmobileswq4.png)
Should seem fairly obvious Mr. Roberts might have some say in the matter. Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: dbacks fan on December 27, 2007, 05:04:59 pm I think someone pointed this out earlier that this trailer parkhas been there longer than River Lanes Bowling, the apartments behind the bowling alley and I think may even pre-date ORU. I can remember as a kid in the mid 60's going by there to go to the Skyline amusement park for company picnics when my dad worked for McDonnell Douglas.
Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: Wrinkle on December 27, 2007, 07:48:41 pm quote: I'm thinking you're right, it does predate ORU. And, anyone 'driving by' it back then did so on Peoria Avenue, since RD didn't exist then. The park was tucked back into the trees so far all you ever saw was the creek bridge and, if you looked hard enough to cause a wreck, a couple of homes. This isn't your average park, most residents there have been around for decades. And, I seem to be recalling an association with the Creek Tribe, which is why the ROW couldn't be forced upon them. Which brings up the question if the person who 'redesigned' Peoria is still living? If so, we need to punish them. Title: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: tulsascoot on December 27, 2007, 07:53:02 pm Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but I bet the people who live there think it's a fine use of the land. Just because another Kohl's would bring in more revenue is no reason to uproot people from their homes.
We have enough boring chain stores here. Now if you had recommended some sort of Brothel themed burlesque amusement park, I'd say kick 'em out, we need your land! Title: Re: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: TurismoDreamin on April 13, 2018, 08:47:47 am http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/creek-nation-closing-trailer-park-near-tulsa-casino-to-make/article_44a7e18a-b018-5a7c-8747-cafab7c8b9f0.html
Title: Re: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: BKDotCom on April 13, 2018, 08:53:21 am Apparently that bridge to the trailer park has some history... (was relocated from somewhere else)... odds of it being repurposed again?
Title: Re: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: swake on April 13, 2018, 09:32:42 am That mobile home park is like a little Hispanic village in the middle of south Tulsa. I drive down Lewis sometimes when the Jenks school buses are dropping off or picking up and there are a ton of children that live there. There's a pretty good taco truck and until recently there was a little Hispanic grocery store in an old QT both located right by the entrance to the park.
Title: Re: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: Weatherdemon on April 13, 2018, 09:45:37 am Apparently that bridge to the trailer park has some history... (was relocated from somewhere else)... odds of it being repurposed again? I believe it was a part of the original bridge into Jenks. Title: Re: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: BKDotCom on April 16, 2018, 09:08:52 am I believe it was a part of the original bridge into Jenks. http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/michael-overall-historic-bridge-might-survive-development-plans-near-tulsa/article_159d0e5e-151b-56d9-87b1-5be879e94feb.html Quote Michael Overall: Historic bridge might survive development plans near Tulsa casino Oblivious to the adult drama playing out on the road above, half a dozen kids were playing soccer last week in the dry creek bed that separates Southern Villa Mobile Home Park from Lewis Avenue. Their little soccer field, no bigger than a basketball court, floods pretty much every time it rains. But the water usually recedes in a day or two and the games resume. The creek didn’t have a bridge back when the area was a dairy farm, leaving the cattle stranded after every rain storm. Farm workers used a swinging rope to get across, according to an old account in the Tulsa World archives. When the farm closed and the trailer park opened, more than 50 years ago, residents needed a more reliable way to get home. So the park bought and relocated a single 165-foot span from the original Jenks bridge, which crossed the Arkansas River nearby. Built either in 1909, 1910 or 1913, depending on which records you believe, the truss bridge was wide enough for only one car at a time, driving across a pair of wooden “tracks.” It was replaced in 1948 by what is now called the Old Jenks Bridge south of 91st Street. Today, what’s left of the original Jenks bridge serves as the only way in or out of Southern Villa, where the kids were joyfully playing ball while their parents frantically tried to figure out where to move. The Muscogee (Creek) Nation, which bought the trailer park last year, served eviction notices last Wednesday, giving everyone 60 days to relocate. Rampant crime, including six recent break-ins, two stolen vehicles and multiple cases of vandalism and alleged drug trafficking, made the property difficult to manage, the tribe said. Besides, the trailer park happens to sit within easy walking distance of the tribe’s gigantic River Spirit Casino and resort complex, making it an ideal location for a major retail development. The tribe has no specific plans yet, officials say. But don’t be surprised to see construction starting within a couple of years. Of course, the old single-lane bridge will hardly be adequate for the kind of traffic that such a development will bring. And it connects to Lewis Avenue while the Creek Nation’s new development will likely want to open onto Riverside Drive, making it more convenient to go back and forth from the casino he bridge, in other words, will be useless. Nonetheless, as one of the oldest bridges in Oklahoma, it will still have plenty of historic value and old-fashioned charm. And that’s why the tribe plans to save the bridge and move it to a walking trail, although exactly where it will end up hasn’t been decided, officials say. It survived obsolescence once before, when the other 10 spans from the original Jenks bridge were dismantled 70 years ago. Now the bridge seems likely to survive again. Title: Re: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: SXSW on April 16, 2018, 10:42:20 am Quote Nonetheless, as one of the oldest bridges in Oklahoma, it will still have plenty of historic value and old-fashioned charm. And that’s why the tribe plans to save the bridge and move it to a walking trail, although exactly where it will end up hasn’t been decided, officials say. Over Joe Creek would be a good spot instead of having the trail use the existing Riverside bridge Title: Re: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: cannon_fodder on April 17, 2018, 07:21:27 am The bridge in question is about 145 feet long. Joe Creek where it crosses the Arkansas is about 220 feet. I like the idea, but after doing the work required to make the span short enough, I'm not sure it would save money.
Title: Re: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on April 17, 2018, 07:35:49 am The bridge in question is about 145 feet long. Joe Creek where it crosses the Arkansas is about 220 feet. I like the idea, but after doing the work required to make the span short enough, I'm not sure it would save money. It's about preservation of a neat looking bridge, not saving money. I'm glad the Creek Nation plans to preserve it. It will likely add a lot of character to where ever they put it. One of the things that makes Cincinnati memorable is all of the old truss bridges. Definitely remains a memorable highlight for the old jenks bridge and it was a memorable part of going to Owasso before they destroyed those. It adds a bit of charm to an area. Even if it's just used as a pedestrian bridge and even if it costs a bit more, I'm all for preserving and repurposing it. Title: Re: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: cannon_fodder on April 17, 2018, 01:28:59 pm Sure, and I can agree with that. But modifying a flood mitigation channel to fit an old bridge could cost multiples more than just building a new bridge (or using the existing bridge). I hope they find a use for it and think they will. I'd love for it to be over Joe Creek as a cycling/running trail - I was just speculating that the suggested location may not work out.
Title: Re: A Riverside eyesore. Post by: Breadburner on May 30, 2018, 06:35:18 am Trailer Park be gone...It's about time...
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