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The new county population estimates for mid 2006 are out from the US Census and Tulsa’s MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area) is estimated to have grown 1.35% over the last year to 897,752 (up 11,974 since 2005) and up 4.21% this decade (up 36,287). The yearly increase is pretty good, but for obvious reasons growth since 2000 is not so good.

Tulsa’s CSA (Consolidated Statistical Area) - including Washington County (Bartlesville) stands at 946,993, a 1.31% annual increase and an increase of 4.01% since 2000.

At the current rate of growth Tulsa’s CSA will pass the one million people mark in just three years in 2010 and the MSA will pass one million people in 2014.

Oklahoma City stands at MSA 1,172,339 and CSA 1,240,997 up 1.50%/1.46% in one year and up 6.79%/6.65% since 2000.

Take out the tough years of 2003 and 2004 and Tulsa’s growth is pretty close to Oklahoma City’s. Over a decade an annual growth rate of 1.35% would add a new Broken Arrow+Bixby+Coweta to the area population every ten years. That’s good solid and sustainable growth.

Flame on……….because that’s all that seems to happen on this board anymore.

That's good info.  I don't want to flame anyone, but I've done a little research myself and found that while Tulsa's MSA is growing at about the same rate as OKC and the pop. numbers are actually about the same, OKC proper continues to grow faster than Tulsa proper.  The 2005 census estimates for the cities themselves (not MSA) had Tulsa actually losing about 20,000 people between 2000-2005 and OKC gaining about 50,000.  

I'm worried that the areas around Tulsa now represent close to 3 times the amount of people actually living IN Tulsa.  I know every city faces suburban "flight", but Tulsa seems to be getting hit especially hard.

And thats just documented population!

For a mid sized midwestern city, a 2% growth is a good showing.  It basically means people are moving in to fill the shoes of kids that may move away.  Anything below 1% is serious problems (which is how I bought a house for damn near nothing in Tulsa in 2003).

Good info. Thanks.  Hopefully we see 1,000,000 MSA by the 2010 census.  Would just seem like a milestone.

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Originally posted by cannon_fodder

For a mid sized midwestern city, a 2% growth is a good showing.  It basically means people are moving in to fill the shoes of kids that may move away.  Anything below 1% is serious problems (which is how I bought a house for damn near nothing in Tulsa in 2003).

Good info. Thanks.  Hopefully we see 1,000,000 MSA by the 2010 census.  Would just seem like a milestone.

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It would be a milestone for our area but each year, the one million mark becomes less of a milestone as more and more cities surpass this number.

I think the population knews is great, especially when compared to '03 or '04!
Hopefully, with all of the Vision2025 projects happening in downtown, people will venture into Tulsa proper instead of just barely in the MSA...

impressive numbers, without even counting all the illegals.

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Originally posted by inteller

impressive numbers, without even counting all the illegals.

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I wonder if Owasso and Bixby are still listed as one of the fastest growing.

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Originally posted by Rowdy

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Originally posted by inteller

impressive numbers, without even counting all the illegals.

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I wonder if Owasso and Bixby are still listed as one of the fastest growing.

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probably, and east tulsa is mysteriously exploding in growth, but now one knows why...hmmm?

I thought Rogers County is the fastest growing County in the state.

Are those folks being made and born here, or are they imports?  

Would be interesting to see the Birth Control and Condom sales stats for all the Counties in Oklahoma.  :)

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Originally posted by AMP

Are those folks being made and born here, or are they imports?  

Would be interesting to see the Birth Control and Condom sales stats for all the Counties in Oklahoma.  :)

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Tulsa the city lost people. I believe Tulsa's pop. is around 385,000,(it was 293,000 before) it fell far behind Omaha, NE, who's population grew to beyond 400,000 people. However Tulsa's Metro area beats Omaha's metro area. Omaha's metro population is around 720,000 or some such number. BTW Tulsa & Nashville, TN are at the same latitude on the map.

Tulsa Metro is growing well for a Southern city (we are not in the friggin midwest people)

And if you are lookin for the next "boom" suburb look at Sand Springs. That place is about to explode in population and economy.

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And if you are lookin for the next "boom" suburb look at Sand Springs. That place is about to explode in population and economy.

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What makes you think that?

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Originally posted by In_Tulsa

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And if you are lookin for the next "boom" suburb look at Sand Springs. That place is about to explode in population and economy.

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What makes you think that?

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Didn't they just get new street lamps?  And a Church's Chicken too!

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Originally posted by In_Tulsa

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And if you are lookin for the next "boom" suburb look at Sand Springs. That place is about to explode in population and economy.

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What makes you think that?

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Didn't they just get new street lamps?  And a Church's Chicken too!

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This kind of comment and a couple of jokes about illegals is what passes for discussion on this board now.

Great work.

Flame on.....

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Originally posted by peggysue

Tulsa Metro is growing well for a Southern city (we are not in the friggin midwest people)

And if you are lookin for the next "boom" suburb look at Sand Springs. That place is about to explode in population and economy.

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yes we ARE in the midwest.  quit using 19th century geographic definitions.

Sand Springs is starting development everywhere, the old neighborhood that is across from Wal Mart is going to be developed into a strip mall with a lowes/home depot store going in...New businesses springing up, The Vision 2025 is helping, and the metro population Of sand springs is about to reach 50,000..Flame on.

As for you Mr. Geography here is the midwest-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_United_States

Read up

Here is the south-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

Game, set, match...

Peggysue shoots, she scores!

Inteller will get *really* cranky now. [}:)]

When in doubt, Wikipedia.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Census_Regions_and_Divisions.PNG  


Says we do not fit in the "Midwestern" category.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Midwestern_States_%28of_the_U.S.A.%29

Says we sort of fit in the "Southwestern" category.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_United_States


Says we are "sometimes/occasionally" Considered "Southern"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States


Shows we are definitely in the "South Central" US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Central_United_States

And of Course we all know undisputedly that we fit here. [:P]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland_map

From the southern section of the wiki article-

"Before its statehood in 1907, Oklahoma was known as "Indian Territory." The majority of the Native American tribes in Indian Territory sided with the Confederacy during the Civil War. Today, Oklahoma has a mostly Southwestern identity. Furthering the state's Southwestern identity, following California, it has the nation's second largest Native American population. Oklahoma is also the home of Gilcrease Museum, which houses the world's largest, most comprehensive collection of art of the American West plus Native American art and artifacts and historical manuscripts, documents, and maps. Oklahoma is frequently described as being part of the "Great Southwest." However, because of its geographic location, Oklahoma is privy to Southern culture. Southern influence can still be found in Oklahoma, particularly in the southeastern region of the state, but the influence becomes less apparent as you move north and west of this area. On a whole, most consider Oklahoma to be a Southern state." :)

As a resident of OK (Tulsa) for the past 50 years, I have always considered Oklahoma part of the Southwest U.S., although it is in the extreme northeast corner of the southwest.  Wasn't this subject discussed at length on this forum about 2 years ago?

And wiki needs to double check its facts.  Only the eastern half of Oklahoma was Indian Territory, including Tulsa; the western half of the state was Oklahoma Territory including Oklahoma City.  The panhandle was "No Man's Land" and tacked onto Oklahoma at statehood when Texas didn't want the land.

Wiki is compiled and edited on the fly.  They typically do not censor or change the listing, the users do so.  

If you want to edit the listing is is easy as pie.  That is why I like Wiki, because it is Free and no Advertisers are calling the shots on what they publish or say about things. True open source code kinda thing.

Oh yes, it says it in Wikipedia so it MUST be true.

I'll be adding an article to Wikipedia soon that I am God, so I expect places of worship to be constructed by endof the month or I'll bring armageddon.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Oklahoma is identified as West South Central and is sometimes considered South by certain people.  West South Central seems to be the most appropriate labeling of Oklahoma that I've found.  We're not Midwest, we're not South, and we're not Southwest.

Source: http://www.census.gov/geo/www/us_regdiv.pdf

Inteller, you 've been PWNED.

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From the southern section of the wiki article-

"Before its statehood in 1907, Oklahoma was known as "Indian Territory." The majority of the Native American tribes in Indian Territory sided with the Confederacy during the Civil War. Today, Oklahoma has a mostly Southwestern identity. Furthering the state's Southwestern identity, following California, it has the nation's second largest Native American population. Oklahoma is also the home of Gilcrease Museum, which houses the world's largest, most comprehensive collection of art of the American West plus Native American art and artifacts and historical manuscripts, documents, and maps. Oklahoma is frequently described as being part of the "Great Southwest." However, because of its geographic location, Oklahoma is privy to Southern culture. Southern influence can still be found in Oklahoma, particularly in the southeastern region of the state, but the influence becomes less apparent as you move north and west of this area. On a whole, most consider Oklahoma to be a Southern state." :)

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Tulsa's cultural/geographic identity is quite debatable.  Oklahoma as a whole is more southern than Tulsa is, and is a large enough state to be influenced by more than one culture.  Other states that have the same issue, such as Missouri.  Look at the difference between Branson natives and St. Louis natives.  In Tulsa, many outsiders view the presence of Oral Roberts, for example, to be consistant with Southern culture.  However, I notice many dialects of Tulsans to be similar to the dialects of people in Kansas City and Springfield, MO.  Dialects of native OKC residents tend to be more "okie," which anthropologically speaking is a separate linguistic accent from the traditional southern accent.  Dialects are very much a part of local culture.  I think Tulsa is more midwestern than the rest of Oklahoma.  Personally, I think of Tulsa as being the vertex of the Midwest, South, and Southwest.  When in Tulsa, you typically meet people that would culturally lean in one of those three directions.  The funny thing is, all three types of native Tulsans; the Midwesterner, the Southerner, and the Southwesterner-- will try to convince you that the whole of Tulsa ascribes to their respective cultural influence!

Inteller, Tulsa is considered a southwestern city in most cases. There is no way that we are in the Midwest. I live right next to the Midwest, and no one from the Midwest considers any part of Oklahoma as the Midwest. You will most likely refute this, but I know what I've heard.

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Inteller, Tulsa is considered a southwestern city in most cases. There is no way that we are in the Midwest. I live right next to the Midwest, and no one from the Midwest considers any part of Oklahoma as the Midwest. You will most likely refute this, but I know what I've heard.

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You aren't attempting to speak for the entire Midwest are you?  I have many family members in St. Louis that still consider Tulsa to be Midwestern.  Of course, many other St. Louis citizens would probably disagree.  As I posted earlier, Tulsa's identity is quite debatable.

Oklahoma is none of the above.  It is "Indian Territory"  :D

I've also heard Oklahoma is considered a "Great Plains" state. Who in the world makes up these terms? Not even government websites mention Oklahoma's ACTUAL geography.

And to answer persp, I have friends from all over the place... but no, I am not speaking for the whole of the Midwest. However, when the majority of my grad program is made up of Midwesterners, I get a pretty good idea.

"Green Country"

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Originally posted by peggysue

Tulsa Metro is growing well for a Southern city (we are not in the friggin midwest people)

And if you are lookin for the next "boom" suburb look at Sand Springs. That place is about to explode in population and economy.

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I think the next boom will be in Sapulpa or Catoosa where that world famous whale tourist attraction is.

I couldn't find a thread discussing Oklahoma's state population numbers, so I'm putting this here.  Census released July 1 2020 state population estimates (not the official 2020 census count) in the last couple of weeks:

Oklahoma:
2020:  3,980,783  (up 0.5% from 2019;  up 5.87% from July 1, 2010)
2019:  3,960,676
2018:  3,943,488
2017:  3,933,602
2016:  3,928,143
2015:  3,910,518
2014:  3,879,187
2013:  3,853,891
2012:  3,819,320
2011:  3,788,824
2010:  3,760,014
April 2, 2010 Census:  3,751,351

Nearby states:

Arkansas:
2020:  3,030,522  (up 0.32% from 2019; up 3.71% from July 1, 2010)
2019:  3,020,985
2018:  3,012,161
2017:  3,003,855
2016:  2,991,815
2015:  2,979,732
2014:  2,968,759
2013:  2,960,459
2012:  2,952,876
2011:  2,941,038
2010:  2,921,998
April 1,2010 Census:  2,915,918

Kansas:
2020:  2,913,805  (up 0.04% from 2019; Up 1.94% from July 1, 2010)
2019:  2,912,635
2018:  2,912,748
2017:  2,910,892
2016:  2,912,977
2015:  2,910,717
2014:  2,901,861
2013:  2,894,306
2012:  2,886,024
2011:  2,869,677
2010:  2,858,266
Apr 1, 2010 Census:  2,853,118

Missouri:
2020:  6,151,548  (up 0.18% fro 2019; up 2.59% from July 1, 2010)
2019:  6,140,475
2018:  6,125,986
2017:  6,111,382
2016:  6,091,384
2015:  6,075,411
2014:  6,059,130
2013:  6,042,989
2012:  6,026,027
2011:  6,011,182
2010:  5,996,089
Apr 1, 2010 Census:  5,988,927

Texas:
2020:  29,360,759  (up 1.29% from 2019; up 16.3% from July 1,2010)
2019:  28,986,794
2018:  28,624,564
2017:  28,291,024
2016:  27,914,064
2015:  27,468,531
2014:  26,963,092
2013:  26,479,646
2012:  26,084,120
2011:  25,645,504
2010:  25,241,897
Apr 1, 2010 Census:  25,145,561

Colorado:
2020:  5,807,719 (up 0.85% from 2019; up 15.1% from July 1, 2010)
2019:  5,758,486
2018:  5,697,155
2017:  5,617,421
2016:  5,543,844
2015:  5,454,328
2014:  5,352,637
2013:  5,270,774
2012:  5,193,660
2011:  5,121,900
2010:  5,047,539
Apr 1, 2010 Census:  5,029,196

New Mexico:
2020:  2,106,319  (up 0.32% from 2019; up 2.02% from July 1, 2010)
2019:  2,099,634
2018:  2,093,754
2017:  2,092,844
2016:  2,092,555
2015:  2,090,071
2014:  2,090,236
2013:  2,092,833
2012:  2,087,715
2011:  2,080,707
2010:  2,064,614
Apr 1 2010 Census:  2,059,179

Owasso and Broken Arrow seem to be really growing over the past 5 years. Collinsville is also set to have growth on the west end.
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