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Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: dsjeffries on November 12, 2006, 02:25:11 pm I'm surprised that there's hardly been a mention of the CrossTimbers Resort currently being built on Skiatook Lake. If you're not familiar with CrossTimbers, here's some information from oksustainability.org:
quote: There are going to be restaurants, shops, a conference center, cottages, trails, a chapel, houses,the marina is already open, and Lakeside Grill by McGills is under construction. This is already starting to have a big impact on Skiatook and I can't wait to see what the finished product will be. The website (http://"http://www.crosstimbersok.com") has some limited information on it, as well as renderings and a pretty good video (http://"http://www.crosstimbersok.com/images/CTHelivideo.swf") showing the area. I know that Tulsans tend to dislike suburbs, but I think this development, and development in Skiatook in general is more positive for Tulsa and the area as a whole. Instead of draining people out of Tulsa and "stealing" Tulsa's profits, it's attracting new people to Tulsa. One thing to always keep in mind is that Tulsa's assets aren't only located within the city itself... Since Skiatook Lake is so close to Tulsa, this type of development actually is something that Tulsa can use as a marketing and strategic tool in luring people to the city along with the new BOk Center, East End, riverside developments and all the Vision2025 initiatives. I just hope that the development this will bring to Skiatook, that the town doesn't turn into a giant sprawling subdivision. I really wish the Town of Skiatook would adopt some SmartCodes and Form-based Codes (or at least, some of the basic guiding principles). Some renderings and photos of CrossTimbers: (http://crosstimbersok.triadcentral.com/imgUL/Perspective3.jpg) (http://www.crosstimbersok.com/admin/photogallery/images/Marina-Sign-600w.jpg) (http://www.crosstimbersok.com/admin/photogallery/images/Marina%20Overhead%202.jpg) (http://www.crosstimbersok.com/admin/photogallery/images/Marina%20Overhead%204.jpg) (http://www.crosstimbersok.com/admin/photogallery/images/Marina%20Slips%201.jpg) (http://crosstimbersmarina.triadcentral.com/imgUL/Shipstore-Front.jpg) (http://crosstimbersmarina.triadcentral.com/imgUL/Rest-under-const-8_7.jpg) The Lakeside Grill by McGills (http://www.crosstimbersmarina.com/admin/photogallery/images/Dock-Shop.jpg) (http://www.crosstimbersmarina.com/admin/photogallery/images/Shipstore-deck.jpg) Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: Rico on November 12, 2006, 09:06:54 pm There have been discussions regarding the Cross Timbers development from time to time..
If you search the archived posts on this site you can locate a few. Those are the best pictures I have seen of the project... Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: dsjeffries on November 19, 2006, 09:41:17 pm I should also mention that it's the first resort development in Northeast Oklahoma in more than 30 years...
And I'd really like to know what music is playing the background of that video... Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: BKDotCom on November 20, 2006, 07:42:26 am quote:Sounds like Aaron Copland [edit]or Elmer Bernstein ("Magnificent Seven")[/edit] Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: perspicuity85 on December 22, 2006, 07:01:22 am Quote The resort's importance to northeastern Oklahoma is undeniable as both a recreation destination and a revenue generator. I know that Tulsans tend to dislike suburbs, but I think this development, and development in Skiatook in general is more positive for Tulsa and the area as a whole. Instead of draining people out of Tulsa and "stealing" Tulsa's profits, it's attracting new people to Tulsa. One thing to always keep in mind is that Tulsa's assets aren't only located within the city itself... Since Skiatook Lake is so close to Tulsa, this type of development actually is something that Tulsa can use as a marketing and strategic tool in luring people to the city along with the new BOk Center, East End, riverside developments and all the Vision2025 initiatives. Quote That is so true. Large-scale projects that occur anywhere in Tulsa's metro area have mutual benefits for Tulsa and its suburban communities. Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: Downtowner on December 22, 2006, 02:50:53 pm Too bad Skiatook Lake is 12' below normal. Tall Chief Cove swimming area was closed last summer. One good reason to build a lake with water inflow from rivers instead of creeks. If we don't get large amounts of rain in the Spring Skiatook Lake's newest developments could be in trouble.
Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: hazleton on December 24, 2006, 01:41:57 pm How often are there water issues at Skiatook Lake?
Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: RecycleMichael on December 24, 2006, 03:40:50 pm The water level has been lower than this.
Here is a website... http://www.swt-wc.usace.army.mil/SKIA.lakepage.html Many lakes are rapidly changing. This is going to be a long drought cycle. http://climate.ocs.ou.edu/climate_trends.html Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: hazleton on December 25, 2006, 05:03:21 pm Sorry. Am having trouble reading the graphs. What makes you say that this will be a long drought cycle?
Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: RecycleMichael on December 25, 2006, 06:33:25 pm Try this website...
http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/monitor.html Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: dsjeffries on December 25, 2006, 07:57:46 pm quote: I don't think the low water hurts any of the appeal of the lake. People want to live and be near water, and the general beauty of the Lake won't be so affected... The resort isn't based on sandy beaches--it's the estates, retail, restaurants, and general recreation like hiking, etc., etc. I don't see low water levels affecting anything very much... Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: robbyfoxxxx on January 05, 2007, 03:47:57 pm There is also a big fight between the Osage tribe and developers, how can they develop land owned by the Osage, unless they have permission to?
Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: hazleton on January 07, 2007, 09:54:24 pm Where can I get more information about the problems between the developers and the tribe?
Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: Downtowner on January 10, 2007, 07:59:56 am quote: If you are a boater it is a major problem if you can't get your boat off your lift and a big part of this new development is the marina. It's also makes boating dangerous on Skiatook Lake because trees were not cut to the ground during lake development. With low water levels you are at risk of damaging your boat and your passengers. Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: rukovoditel on January 29, 2008, 08:06:56 am Agree that low water levels can be problematic and dangerous, but be advised that the low water level of 2007 was not due to the fact that the lake is fed from "creeks". There was plenty of inflow (or at least as much as in other reservoirs). The problem (as it was explained to me) was that during the period prior to the "drought" the Corps increased the outflow, due to some water quality problems somewhere downstream. The explanation that I got was that due to the relatively clear, silt-free water in Skiatook reservoir, they drained Skiatook as much as possible and used that water to dilute the water in a downstream reservoir that had a problem. It wasn't due to a lack of inflow. If you look at the Corps' lake level gauges, the data there pretty much supports this assertion, since for a long time last year, they were releasing faster or as fast as they were receiving. Finally, when the spring/summer rains started in '07, they closed off the outflow, and the lake refilled quickly.
Title: CrossTimbers Resort on Skiatook Lake Post by: rukovoditel on January 29, 2008, 08:12:43 am Also, as to the problems between the Osage Tribe and the developers, that issue was resolved amicably. The tribe had discovered a potentially sacred site within the development area. The site was surveyed by the tribe, the state, the developer and other interested parties, and an area was set aside in recognition of the location's significance. Other disputes related to some disagreements over the extent to which the tribe should have been involved in the planning, but to my knowledge, has been completely resolved. You can "Google" all this stuff and read about it from news articles.
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