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News reports indicate the original contract between PAC Trust and Indianapolis developer Flaherty & Collins expired last year, but the entities are still working together.  These "new" renderings showed up on F&C's website sometime last year ---- the nearly 30-story tower is "new."


Current posting with images on Flaherty & Collins website:  https://flco.com/company-properties/the-annex/

The Annex, a partnership with the Tulsa Performing Arts Center (TPAC) Trust, includes 240 luxury apartment homes and resort-style amenity spaces including a pool, fitness center, aqua lounge, outdoor grilling stations and bike storage space with repair tools.

Annex would also include a 35,000 square foot grocery (Reasor's in original plan), and an additional 7,000 square feet of additional retail space, along with 636 spaces in a multi-story parking garage that will be shared with TPAC guests.

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So, the tower is the apartment building?  Seems really tall for 240 apartments.  If this hotel is on second street, it is actually further from the PAC entrance than the Hyatt.  And is another hotel really what downtown needs?

My understanding was, at least several years ago, the PAC trust was adamant about a full-service grocery store no matter how unrealistic the demand.

I put this project in the category of “nice ideas, but not going to happen in the next 5 years.”

The downtown hotel market really serves a broader area than just downtown too so there's a good amount of demand - there's extremely limited options for decent hotels anywhere in the midtown area. 

There are hotels in midtown? Where? I agree with your point, but this is something I have never understood, that Cherry Street, Brookside, Maple Ridge, Utica Square, the TU area, the Southroads area, none of them have ANY hotels. In fact, there's not a hotel in uptown either, the new hotel conversion on Boulder will be the first.

There are hotels in midtown? Where? I agree with your point, but this is something I have never understood, that Cherry Street, Brookside, Maple Ridge, Utica Square, the TU area, the Southroads area, none of them have ANY hotels. In fact, there's not a hotel in uptown either, the new hotel conversion on Boulder will be the first.

I'd consider the hotels along I-44 as 'midtown' but I wouldn't really consider any or at least very, very few as 'decent' hotels. Ambassador is in Uptown now so with the Brut hotel that'd be two in Uptown. Campbell is along 11th, but it's also a very small hotel.

I have also wondered why Utica Square didn't have a hotel especially with St. John's across the street. Cherry Street is close enough to downtown it probably doesn't need it's own hotel but the vacant lot along Utica would make sense to develop as hotels with other mixed-uses. Brookside could use a hotel or two as well especially being walk-able to the Gathering Place when the southern portions are completed.

Flaherty & Collins bought the land

 https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/pac-trust-approves-sale-of-adjacent-parking-lot-for-mixed-use-project/article_ee9212b0-18bf-11ec-9c48-cbe47487af9a.html (https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/pac-trust-approves-sale-of-adjacent-parking-lot-for-mixed-use-project/article_ee9212b0-18bf-11ec-9c48-cbe47487af9a.html)

Flaherty & Collins bought the land

 https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/pac-trust-approves-sale-of-adjacent-parking-lot-for-mixed-use-project/article_ee9212b0-18bf-11ec-9c48-cbe47487af9a.html (https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/pac-trust-approves-sale-of-adjacent-parking-lot-for-mixed-use-project/article_ee9212b0-18bf-11ec-9c48-cbe47487af9a.html)

The proposed multi-use site, dubbed the Annex, would include a 20,000-square-foot grocery store, 10,000 square feet of additional retail space, a 240-unit apartment building and a boutique hotel. The project would also include a parking garage with approximately 450 spaces, which could be utilized by visitors both to the Tulsa PAC and City Hall.

Flaherty & Collins Properties' proposal is essentially the same one it first presented in 2017 to the Tulsa PAC Trust. The principal difference is the addition of the 100-room hotel, which will be operated by Origin Hotel. It will be the first Origin Hotel in Oklahoma.

Ryan Cronk, a partner with Flaherty & Collins, said that a company has agreed to have one of its grocery stores be part of the project, but the company wishes to make its participation officially known at a later date.

“I can say that it is an established business, with about 80 stores,” Cronk said.

I don't really care about height. One of my favorite cities to walk is Washington, D.C., where all of the buildings are limited to I think 12 or 15 stories. Tulsa doesn't need any more tall buildings, we need to infill parking lots with small and mid-scale development. This seems to fit the bill. I do agree, however, that the renderings look fairly plain, pretty much another version of The Edge and The View. Not horrible, but just kind of boring. And Homeland was my thought too based on the descriptions. The other places I had in mind (Sprouts maybe?) have more locations than the description. A quick google shows that Homeland as of 2019 had 79 locations (not all Homeland branded), so that has to be it, and I'm okay with it if it is in line with the nicer ones in OKC.

An Architect's rendering looking west from the corner of Detroit Avenue and Third Street shows the Annex, a multi use project by Flaherty and Collins Properties that will occupy the parking lot just east of the Tulsa Performing Arts Center downtown. The Tulsa PAC trust, which has owned the lot since 1977, voted to sell the property to Flaherty and Collins for $5.5 million.

I know the “it’s better than what’s there now” mindset is prevalent and I’m happy for development that takes surface parking away, but going from a 26 story tower to an nondescript apartment building is heartbreaking and hilarious.

I understand tall buildings don’t necessarily create lively, liveable cities and all that jazz. Its just jarring to see the before and after renderings.

It is neither hilarious or heartbreaking and far far from 'it's better than what's there now'.

This wasn't originally proposed as a high-rise and was never actually confirmed by the developer even after some of those new renderings began floating around. This still looks almost entirely like the original plan but with a hotel and slightly smaller grocer. The high-rise renderings was a function of the size of space Reasor's wanted, they would have needed the entire 3rd street frontage and the developer also wanted a hotel as part of the project. The hotel wasn't part of the orginal proposal and once it was added it did change the design to what you are thinking was the original proposal showing the high-rise. At that point, it made sense to shrink the footprint of the residential portion (going from 10-12 stories to 20+) and put the hotel on the other corner along 2nd while giving Reasor's the entire southern half of the block along 3rd. The original proposal and the only one ever actually discussed by the developer's really publicly was the the 10-12 story residential tower with the grocer that looks nearly identical to what the new rendering shows in the World.

Given the grocer going in is about 10-15,000 sq ft smaller than Reasor's would have been, they can now fit the hotel on the other portion of the southern part of the lot along 3rd. Leaving the entire northern part of the lot along 2nd for the residential tower. There is zero reason to make the tower 20+ storey now that they can use the entire 2nd street frontage for residential.

It is neither hilarious or heartbreaking and far far from 'it's better than what's there now'.

This wasn't originally proposed as a high-rise and was never actually confirmed by the developer even after some of those new renderings began floating around. This still looks almost entirely like the original plan but with a hotel and slightly smaller grocer. The high-rise renderings was a function of the size of space Reasor's wanted, they would have needed the entire 3rd street frontage and the developer also wanted a hotel as part of the project. The hotel wasn't part of the orginal proposal and once it was added it did change the design to what you are thinking was the original proposal showing the high-rise. At that point, it made sense to shrink the footprint of the residential portion (going from 10-12 stories to 20+) and put the hotel on the other corner along 2nd while giving Reasor's the entire southern half of the block along 3rd. The original proposal and the only one ever actually discussed by the developer's really publicly was the the 10-12 story residential tower with the grocer that looks nearly identical to what the new rendering shows in the World.

Given the grocer going in is about 10-15,000 sq ft smaller than Reasor's would have been, they can now fit the hotel on the other portion of the southern part of the lot along 3rd. Leaving the entire northern part of the lot along 2nd for the residential tower. There is zero reason to make the tower 20+ storey now that they can use the entire 2nd street frontage for residential.

nvm

For parking let’s say the 240 units breakdown into the following: 25% studio, 50% one bed and 25% two bed units.  That’s 300 bedrooms.  If they park it one stall per bedroom that’s 300 stalls for the apartments.  That leaves 150 for the grocery store, hotel and PAC. 

Even though it's not a "tower", that 11 stories will really fill up the area and add a ton of density. Kinda odd that they are putting the apartments on the PAC corner rather than putting the hotel or store there, but I guess it might have something to do with the grading since that corner is the high point and both the store and the hotel need the basement/parking levels.

Reasors was sold today to Brookshire Grocery Company. This may explain the unnamed chain indicated in the sale article from September.

Pretty sure it's Homeland.

Has Homeland actually built any stores lately or just converted ones they've acquired? I'm not saying they couldn't build something new but I would think if they're wanting to reenter the Tulsa market they'd be better off buying an existing store that was at least making money as opposed to this relative unknown. I mean - we all would like a grocery store downtown but business-wise it's a total crap-shoot on it's actual viability even with people actually living downtown.

https://tulsaworld.com/business/local/up-to-22-million-bond-issuance-planned-for-downtown-project-linked-to-new-grocery-store/article_03b694de-5e7c-11ec-b03e-5f3dce5d98d1.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

So this is moving forward with a possible construction start date of Q2 2022, meaning this summer. Very exciting. Since the rest of Santa Fe Square is also most likely going to start construction at this time, that'll be two major projects under construction taking up former surface parking lots. A huge reduction in empty space downtown, not to mention so much more cohesion across the blue dome district. Really looking forward to this, even though the big tower has been removed.

Anyone heard rumblings on the timeline for this? Hopefully still set for this summer... I keep looking and hoping that I spot signs of construction. Haven't yet :)

It’s moving forward. They have to redo a sewer line. No building permit yet, though. I don’t know exact timeline but appears on track.

I believe they still have a bit to go on getting construction documents ready and then will be submitting for permits. I talked with the developers not too long ago and they are full steam ahead. I would imagine it'll be fully under construction by fall.

I think people underestimate what a massive shot in the arm this will be for downtown.  This and Santa Fe Square going up at the same time fill huge holes and show a confidence that large mixed-use projects are viable.  Excited to see what other projects these will spur in the future. 

Totally agree ^. Will give the downtown area much better flow. Next on my wishlist is the development of the seemingly random assortment of abandoned buildings in prime spots... Across from McNellies is a big one, totally kills that corner. The old gas station (?) in the arts district across from the tavern. Can't believe that spot hasn't been bought and turned into something. You couldn't ask for a better location.

It's a manufacturing facility and they don't want to move. They actually filed not too long ago to expand the building and the city turned them down. I can't remember the name of the company.

That's interesting... maybe we can pitch in and help them gently relocate haha. It's an eyesore on the area... although it really puts the Mixed into Mixed use.

I think people underestimate what a massive shot in the arm this will be for downtown.  This and Santa Fe Square going up at the same time fill huge holes and show a confidence that large mixed-use projects are viable.  Excited to see what other projects these will spur in the future. 

The Tempe Streetcar will begin service in early 2022 after delays in the manufacturing and delivery of six vehicles made by Brookville Equipment Corporation. The $200 million project will include three miles of track, 14 stops and two connections to the already existing Valley Metro Rail.

The project, originally projected to be completed in mid-2021, is a collaboration between the city of Tempe and Valley Metro originating from a voter-approved regional transportation plan in 2004. The project is jointly funded by ASU, the Federal Transit Administration, a half-cent sales tax approved by Tempe voters in 1996 for transit expansion and a mix of private investors.

$200 million will get you three miles of street car tracks and rail cars.

So we are only about 25 years away from something similar if we start now.

Is that 3 miles of track or route?  Double track is the way to go.

It's a 3 mile loop (1.5 miles each side) with a spur at each end for cars to change direction.

In theory and being looked at is extending the street car route into the downtown area of Mesa since the streetcar and light rail cars use the same gauge track and overhead electrical pickup and this intersection is where the crossover would be.

“They are going be doing some tests of the vehicle in our maintenance facility, then each vehicle has to do what’s called burn in and travel several-hundred miles to make sure it’s basically able to withstand travel on the track,” said Valley Metro’s Madeline Phipps. “We’re going to use the light-rail track for that because with only a three-mile loop on the Tempe Streetcar line, that would take a really long time.

“Then we’ll do testing on the actual Tempe Streetcar system, probably starting in late May. Streetcar vehicles can travel on the light-rail track. In fact, every night, the streetcars will switch over onto the light-rail track and travel to our maintenance center at 30th Street and Washington to be serviced.”

Tempe's $200 million streetcar won't be up and running until early next year, but some leaders already are eyeing expansion.

Valley Metro officials in 2020 began evaluating five possible expansion routes. One expansion — which would take it to Mesa near the Chicago Cubs spring training park and the busy Mesa Community College campus — ranked in third place.

That's the only explored route that would take streetcar deep into west Mesa. The others are almost entirely in Tempe, although the No. 1 option would just cross the Mesa border and go up to Dobson Road in Mesa. The five potential expansion routes are:

First place: A line running east on Rio Salado Parkway, roughly from Rural to Dobson roads. This would run along the Tempe Novus Innovation Corridor, which is partially being built on the old Karsten Golf Course.

Second place: A line running south on Rural Road from Rio Salado Parkway to Southern Avenue. At Southern Avenue, it would run west to Mill Avenue.

Third place: A line entirely in Mesa, running along Dobson Road from Rio Salado Parkway to Southern Avenue, then cutting east along Southern Avenue to Country Club Drive and running north along Country Club Drive to Main Street.

Fourth place: A line extending further south on Mill Avenue, to Southern Avenue.

Fifth place: A line going further west on Rio Salado Parkway.


Valley Metro CEO Scott Smith, who oversaw much of light rail's Mesa expansion as mayor, isn't ruling it out. But, he said it'll take years for an expansion like that to take shape.

If it does happen, he said, it'll be thanks to two things: the recently approved $1.2 trillion federal infrastructure package and a potential renewal of Maricopa County's transportation tax, which is set to expire in 2025.

Francisco Heredia, a Mesa City Councilmember who leads two Valley Metro boards of directors, hopes it extends into Mesa.

He sees the potential Mesa route as a boon to spring-training baseball, shopping centers and the massive community college campus. It also could spur more redevelopment in the nearby Fiesta District.

"It's going to be important access for the future," he said.

Smith and Heredia spoke with The Arizona Republic at Valley Metro's expanded, solar-powered Operations and Maintenance Center in Phoenix. The center, where workers repair and maintain light rail vehicles and streetcar, recently underwent a $92 million expansion.

Extension could be 5-10 years out, but one leader wants to know next year
Leaders acknowledge an expansion could be years out, and likely hinges on whether voters renew the 0.5% county transportation sales tax. But Heredia hopes to have a timeline in the next year.

"We're going to see how Tempe's system operates and learn from that," the Mesa council member said.

Potentially expanding into Mesa comes with some hurdles. The streetcar would have to intersect with light rail at Dobson Road and Main Street, as well as a Union-Pacific train line on Dobson.

At least one of those issues may have a solution already.

Streetcar intersects with light rail lines twice in Tempe. At those points, the streetcar disconnects from the overhead line, which powers it and charges its battery, and runs solely on battery power. Smith calls it a "hybrid" model of rail.

Smith said the streetcar needs two things to expand: more grant funding and an extension on the county transportation sales tax.

The massive bipartisan Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act would go a long way for the former. The deal promised some $8 billion in grants for rail projects across the U.S. The biggest hurdle is getting some of that competitive grant money, Smith said.

"If streetcar happens (in Mesa), the infrastructure package is the reason it happens," he said.

But there's still the elephant in the room for rail projects: Prop. 400.

The tax, which voters approved in 2004, paved the way for light rail by increasing sales tax 0.5%. But it's set to expire in 2025. Smith said he hopes an extension will head to the ballot in 2022 or 2024.

"Come back in 2025 or 2026 and we'll see if the streetcar expansion can happen," he said. "If voters approve that extension, Mesa can immediately begin planning."

Keep hoping to see some initial work on this site... nothing doing yet :)

My assumption is they are working on construction docs and plans... they can take a long time especially with as backed up as most architects are at the moment. Some offices were at least 6 months out from even being able to start a project, let alone the time to actually work through getting it ready to submit to the city. So we could easily still be close to the end of this year before we see anymore plans from the developer or early next year.

It's definitely a tricky time because the longer it takes to get closer to construction and as interest rates keep rising hopefully this doesn't kill the project. It's a legitimate developer who has done plenty of similar projects, but rising rates are going to more quickly impact large projects like this than smaller developments.

Well, hotel occupancy still seems to be doing well as far as I'm aware, and downtown apartments are still popular. Their profit margins may shrink due to interest expense, but I doubt the margins are so close that interest rate rises would knock them off. Construction costs are probably a bigger hinderance. We're still seeing overall project prices that are double what they were before the pandemic.

There's also fears of the overall economy going into a recession and layoffs starting up. Banking industry has already been impacted and that represents a lot of jobs downtown. Energy isn't doing as good as you'd think despite the profit margins you hear about. The drilling/midstream companies still can't get the capital to expand like they'd want and they are scared to jump in too quickly like they have in the past anyway. That means the downtown firms aren't hiring en mass like the old days either, and of course WPX is gone...

So all in all, I'm not surprised that they are dragging their feet and share the hope that things will go through as planned eventually. Hopefully things will level off by fall all around.

This project has some pretty significant public subsidies that have timelines attached to them.  For example, the multifamily portion of Santa Fe Square has to start by Sep 1 or they start to encounter penalties with their TIF.  I don't know the specifics of the PAC Annex TIF.

I am worried how the potential elimination of the grocery tax will affect the grocery store sales tax receipts tied to the TIF for this site. 

This project has some pretty significant public subsidies that have timelines attached to them.  For example, the multifamily portion of Santa Fe Square has to start by Sep 1 or they start to encounter penalties with their TIF.  I don't know the specifics of the PAC Annex TIF.

I am worried how the potential elimination of the grocery tax will affect the grocery store sales tax receipts tied to the TIF for this site. 

Any rumblings on this...?

... but at the rate of rental growth in Tulsa and the housing market/prices are still rising at some of the fastest rates in the country...

It's not dead yet... This does show that they are feeling some pressure though, otherwise they wouldn't have asked for an extension. Who knows what will happen, but I'm not optimistic of what will happen if they end up passing. I fear the trust has waited so long that they will just take what they can get, and that will be some crappy low-effort development.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/pac-trust-declines-to-extend-deadline-for-developers-proposed-mixed-use-project/article_0adbe69c-65b0-11ed-baf5-8bd0ce9a7920.html

PAC Trust declines to extend deadline for developer's proposed mixed-use project

Forgot to post this a couple weeks back. Not a great sign, this would be a huge bummer.

PAC board extends deadline for development after Oasis signs on
The Tulsa Performing Arts Center Trust on Thursday gave a little and got a lot.

After a nearly two-hour board meeting, trustees voted to give an Indianapolis-based developer six more months to get a proposed mixed-use development across the street from the PAC off the ground.

That was the give. What the PAC board received was word from Ryan Cronk, vice president of development for Flaherty & Collins Properties, that he had signed a lease with Oasis Fresh Market to operate a 20,000-square-foot supermarket as part of the $108 million development.

Looks like a few mostly minor changes to the renderings.  Glad to still see the apartment tower, I was worried it would get VE'd to a 5 story wood-frame over podium.

I know originally there was parking below the grocery store allowing customers to park underneath and take an escalator into the store.  Not sure if that's still the plan or not but it makes sense, in addition to have the main pedestrian entrance front 3rd Street.  The rendering doesn't show the 6-8 ft of fall between 3rd and 2nd Streets.

In other news related to the PAC, the city council just visited to discuss its needs. https://ktul.com/news/local/tulsa-city-council-tours-citys-performing-arts-center-to-identify-needs

The building is not fully ADA compliant, among other issues, and needs $25 million just for ADA access upgrades. Whatever happened to the big proposal to really upgrade the facility and add a glass façade? I assume part of that was contingent on the sale.

“We need to start having these conversations,” Frie said. “Our goal is to raise half of the money needed for a new performing arts center privately. We have a development team in place, and we’ve had some positive response from major donors.”

A new performing arts center is estimated to cost upwards of $300 million. Frie said one solution to creating a new center would be first to construct a medium-sized, 1,200- to 1,400-seat theater at a new location. The current PAC could continue operations until this phase of the project was completed.

“A medium-sized theater is something the major companies have wanted for years,” Frie said. “And it would allow us to keep operating during construction, whereas a full remodel of the present facility would require us to shut down for months, even years.

Really hoping we hear something soon on this. Anyone have their ear to the ground. The final deadline is getting close, but interest rates are a lot higher and the economy is slowing down. I still think there's a ton of demand in Tulsa for hotel, grocery, and apartments, but the deals aren't as lucrative as they were a couple years ago.

If they couldn’t make it work with 3% rates it certainly won’t work now.  Unless the city kicks in a LOT more incentives, which they may do

^ You nailed it.  Lots of headwinds now that didn't exist a year ago.  It comes down to how much the city wants to get the deal done and what other incentives they can add in to "close the gap".  This type of project would absolutely be $2.50+/sf and will lease up fast even at those rates since it will be the only new midrise downtown, and arguably a better location than any other new downtown apartments especially with the grocery store component.  F&C certainly has the capital and relationships to get this deal done but also have not developed in this market and their only rent comp's are office conversions, older highrises and new wood-frame apartments.

Haven't heard any more on this as the clock runs out. Oasis is currently expanding in Killeen, TX, so I'm not sure if they are still interested in downtown Tulsa or not. Seems like they aren't so big that they would be expanding to multiple locations at once. I still feel like there's tremendous demand for hotels downtown, as well as apartments, so hopefully a new proposal will come along soon.

Assuming this is dead, no? Hopefully something can go on this lot within the next 5 years.. so many surface lots still in downtown.

Some trustees expressed concern about what might happen if the project does not move forward. To address those fears, trustees included in the motion to extend the developer’s purchase agreement deadline a clawback provision that would provide legal recourse for the trust to regain ownership of the property should Flaherty & Collins fail to get the project done.

“Honestly, my takeaway from today is that most of the onus between Jan. 1 and June 30 is on our team at the city with the building permit side,” Bynum said. “So I am going to go back and talk with our Development Services team and make sure they are hooked up with these guys and working on it on the front end.”

Well, no news is bad news. Guessing the PAC is going to claw back the property soon. At least with things starting over again we can see some "progress" instead of waiting for something to kick off for years. I get that the past few years have been crazy, but this was a big missed opportunity. Hopefully the next iteration is something even better than what was planned.

That's awesome if this is still creeping forward. I know it takes time, I just want to see something concrete after waiting 7 years since the first contract was signed.

Anyone heard updates on this? Today they have all the entrances blocked off.. only a few City of Tulsa vehicles are parked. Hoping that means something is happening.

There are building permits for 220 E 2ND ST S  on the Tulsa permit portal

FWIW, looks like the parking lot is back open today.. glad to hear the updates though! I'm weirdly sentimental about this project.. feels like this forum has been discussing it for years now :D

That's freaking awesome. I'm so glad it's finally starting. There have been a lot of big projects downtown lately, but I feel like this is the biggest in a long while. 13 stories of residential AND a grocery store is a huge add. Not to mention the obvious reduction of our parking crater right in the heart of downtown.

I'm looking forward to sauntering downtown and tellin' all the young 'uns "I remember when this was nothing but parking lots as far as the eye could see"  ;D

I thought they closed already but this explains why title never transferred.

The big hang-up all along has been the ironclad requirement that an acceptable grocer sign a lease prior to closing. This was known to be an issue back more than 5 years ago when Reasors backed out (this was related to debt covenants that gave their lender vetos on new stores). So Oasis was supposed to have solved it, but apparently now AJ from Oasis is being shown to be sketchy.

I don’t know what they’ll do this week. The city may have to be flexible. Seems like FC is at their wits end.

Is the shrink/shoplifting/theft just downtown or is spread among the other grocer locations? It just seems that a downtown store while having to have stepped up security would still be a profitable location.

I was reading the other day about the changing landscape for grocers in general with the merger between Kroger and Albertson's/Safe Way to compete with Walmart and Amazon. As a result of the merger they are selling 400+ stores to C&S Grocery Wholesale which owns Piggly Wiggly in the south east US and C&S will acquire Albertson's here in Arizona but will keep the Albertson's name. It was interesting in some of the reading I did that neither Kroger, Albertson's/Safeway and C&S (Kroger does have a delivery only service with a distribution center between OKC and Edmond) have any stores in Oklahoma. Every state around OK has some combination of stores from those. Seems Walmart has kind of a stranglehold on grocery in OK.

I know that there is Sprouts, Whole Foods, Aldi, Trader Joe's and Winco, but it just seems like there are fewer stores in general than there used to be.

I don't feel I have a lack of grocery stores to choose from. We mostly shop at Reasor's and Target, but within about a 10 minute drive we also have Walmart, Sprouts, Whole Foods, Fresh Market, Aldi, Sam's, Costco, and various Asian and Hispanic markets to choose from. I don't know Winco. There's also Warehouse Market chain, but I don't know of one close to me.

Winco is a warehouse style grocery store with a LOT of grocery selections. Winco is at 71st & Memorial southwest corner with Sunshine Furniture and Ross Dress for Less.  No membership is required. I might go there more often when the road work at the Creek Tpk and Memorial is done.

I shop at WinCo from time to time...
I know some people who won't shop there because they don't take credit cards but that's where some of their savings come from.

Safeway in Oklahoma was long ago was spun off to it's own chain, Homeland, which is now gone from Tulsa. Reasor's bought out the Tulsa area Albertsons stores, I'm not sure what happened with the OKC area Albertsons stores.

I don't feel I have a lack of grocery stores to choose from. We mostly shop at Reasor's and Target, but within about a 10 minute drive we also have Walmart, Sprouts, Whole Foods, Fresh Market, Aldi, Sam's, Costco, and various Asian and Hispanic markets to choose from. I don't know Winco. There's also Warehouse Market chain, but I don't know of one close to me.

I'm old school. I pay cash for groceries and things I don't care to keep an itemized record about.  I don't want to put a bag of chips on my credit card.

Winco...
Really like it a lot!  Have been a few times here but it is out of my normal traffic pattern and I "forget" it is there!   Got to reprogram some neurons!

Just remember it's where no one wants to drive because everyone is there.

 ;D

I wonder if they figure out a way to still build the apartment tower without the grocery store?

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/business/development/supermarket-a-sticking-point-for-downtown-development-though-not-necessary-bynum-says/article_5fedff12-6168-11ee-a9d9-8fe997433023.html (https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/business/development/supermarket-a-sticking-point-for-downtown-development-though-not-necessary-bynum-says/article_5fedff12-6168-11ee-a9d9-8fe997433023.html)