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Title: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: TulsaBeMore on March 19, 2021, 11:56:52 pm I have not been down there in a good while. Anything going up in that block? Looking at property records, George Kaiser Family Foundation bought the old cool, dilapidated warehouse complex in 2016 and leveled it. The records show its was sold/turned over to Western Supply, LLC a couple years back. Last time I looked, the land was leveled and being trenched by large equipment. Maybe I've just missed coverage of what's being built there?
Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: shavethewhales on March 20, 2021, 02:05:32 pm It's supposed to be an 11 story affordable housing project. I can't find the details right now. I think it's been in limbo since before covid.
Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: SXSW on March 21, 2021, 09:16:43 am Rendering below - I know this project will be built in phases that will include retail/office space and apartments
(https://i.imgur.com/cZjqFLu.jpg) Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: tulsabug on March 21, 2021, 10:11:47 am Don't know about anyone else here but these buildings from the Lego School of Architecture just seem like a wasted opportunity to really create a presence. I understand code and cost to a large degree force this sort of building block design but still ugh. No real point of anyone going to architecture school if all they do is put the Autocad program on autopilot. Heck, even the Autocad couple in the forefront can't help but laugh at that design.
Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: TulsaBeMore on March 23, 2021, 12:12:12 am Rendering below - I know this project will be built in phases that will include retail/office space and apartments (https://i.imgur.com/cZjqFLu.jpg) Thank you. Looks promising. Wonder the connection with the DC architecture firm. Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: TulsaBeMore on March 23, 2021, 12:45:24 am Don't know about anyone else here but these buildings from the Lego School of Architecture just seem like a wasted opportunity to really create a presence. I understand code and cost to a large degree force this sort of building block design but still ugh. No real point of anyone going to architecture school if all they do is put the Autocad program on autopilot. Heck, even the Autocad couple in the forefront can't help but laugh at that design. This one doesn't bother me a ton, but I agree there is a lot of cookie cutter looking design including many of the new structures in the Arts District --- all nice buildings, just not distinctive. I think an opportunity was lost on the Children's Museum on Riverside. The firm is outstanding and no doubt the interior will be engaging, but the outside is fairly bland and could be the headquarters for a credit union. There was an opportunity to make the building iconic and the first visual part of a child's "Discovery" as he/she approached the building. Another example is the three ideas for the vacant lot adjacent to the PAC. One was iconic with the Theater Across Cincinnati --- the TAC (clever, eh?), but the one they originally settled on was similar to the Western Supply and most of the others downtown. I'm not in support of crazy design, but several should employ more imagination, in my opinion. It was similar back in the 80s, 90s, and 2000-2010 when I traveled more. All across Tulsa, the designs were more "me too" than original or unique. You'd go to Raleigh, Nashville, Dallas, San Diego, Florida or wherever and say, I wish we had something that looked like that at home. Somewhere in the 70s, 80s, we lost our previous trailblazer selves. Most everything we do is a "me too" that is usually 5-8 years behind other communities. That 31s & Peoria mixed-use thing is dead, isn't it? Hardly groundbreaking, but it would have been cool. If I had a buck for every study the city or local leaders have commissioned and let rot on a shelf, I'd.... What happened to that extensive work Mayor Taylor had commissioned by the guy who was a planning rock star with a university in Georgia? It was fun. Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: SXSW on March 23, 2021, 10:59:10 am Personally I think this project looks great and will fit in well with the other brick buildings in the Arts District. Great to see the western part of the district start to redevelop along Boulder with this project and Holbertson expanding on Cheyenne.
Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: LandArchPoke on March 23, 2021, 11:37:34 am This one doesn't bother me a ton, but I agree there is a lot of cookie cutter looking design including many of the new structures in the Arts District --- all nice buildings, just not distinctive. I think an opportunity was lost on the Children's Museum on Riverside. The firm is outstanding and no doubt the interior will be engaging, but the outside is fairly bland and could be the headquarters for a credit union. There was an opportunity to make the building iconic and the first visual part of a child's "Discovery" as he/she approached the building. Another example is the three ideas for the vacant lot adjacent to the PAC. One was iconic with the Theater Across Cincinnati --- the TAC (clever, eh?), but the one they originally settled on was similar to the Western Supply and most of the others downtown. I'm not in support of crazy design, but several should employ more imagination, in my opinion. It was similar back in the 80s, 90s, and 2000-2010 when I traveled more. All across Tulsa, the designs were more "me too" than original or unique. You'd go to Raleigh, Nashville, Dallas, San Diego, Florida or wherever and say, I wish we had something that looked like that at home. Somewhere in the 70s, 80s, we lost our previous trailblazer selves. Most everything we do is a "me too" that is usually 5-8 years behind other communities. That 31s & Peoria mixed-use thing is dead, isn't it? Hardly groundbreaking, but it would have been cool. If I had a buck for every study the city or local leaders have commissioned and let rot on a shelf, I'd.... What happened to that extensive work Mayor Taylor had commissioned by the guy who was a planning rock star with a university in Georgia? It was fun. Lily does some quality stuff, he's usually the main design for most of GKFF projects. It all kind of has the 'museum' look to it, where it is very clean but yet not very exciting. I will say, it could always be A LOT worse lol. I'd take this more generic-ish design all day over Cimarex type crap. As long as attention is paid to the streetlevel and pedestrian experience is what is the most important. That's what makes a city livable and a neighborhood to be great, not necessarily what it looks like from 244 or from level 3 up. I'm surprised this one is taking GKFF so long to get started, maybe they just have their hands full with other projects. I believe this was awarded workforce housing funds from the state last year so I think they'll have to start on vertical construction sooner than later. I've looked everywhere for renderings and surprised nothing more has leaked out. Also, with renderings like the PAC project proposals there's a difference between realistic renderings and something that is a bait and switch. A lot of the times developers like to throw out really creative conceptual designs knowing full well that it would never be realistic/cost feasible to build that design. The 31st & Peoria project isn't dead, I believe they are meeting with neighbors still in trying to find the right density. The renderings were also completed by a landscape architect/planner not an architect so that's why it looked so bland - those renderings would not be anything close to what the project would really look like. It was more of a massing model to convey the size, possible shape, and density of the project. Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: SXSW on May 23, 2021, 12:37:03 pm A couple renderings Lilly Architects posted on their social media pages. This is a great looking project!
(https://scontent.fapa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/189654318_2055383424601965_5599771698741209638_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=J6JFXuWShfMAX-SnJ2-&_nc_ht=scontent.fapa1-2.fna&oh=4e31b8954bb5e538d56f68cece2a2934&oe=60D0F64A) (https://scontent.fapa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/189274915_2055383421268632_7207045655823703230_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=G9gbBAqOm4kAX8gqbGC&_nc_ht=scontent.fapa1-2.fna&oh=7543c2c0d3e911434f815a4ee4082258&oe=60CE6682) Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: LandArchPoke on May 23, 2021, 12:43:32 pm Hopefully if he's posting those maybe that means it's starting to move again. That site has just been a massive hole in the ground for a while now
Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: tulsabug on May 24, 2021, 10:30:44 am Hopefully if he's posting those maybe that means it's starting to move again. That site has just been a massive hole in the ground for a while now While I still am no fan of the style, or lack thereof, of the building I will agree it's much better than that massive hole in the ground currently there so I too hope this is a sign that we'll some actual progress soon. ;D Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: shavethewhales on May 24, 2021, 11:02:35 am Wow, they actually added to it. It's going to be hard to see the Tulsa skyline from 244 after all these 11 story buildings are built, lol
I like that it has a lot of brick on the lower levels and how open and pedestrian oriented it is. It will be interesting to see the interactions with the homeless encampments under the adjacent 244 bridge, but I'm sure Kaiser is continually working on more options for them as well and projects like this one are important steps to building resilient housing options rather than letting everything be gentrified. Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: SXSW on May 24, 2021, 01:48:23 pm The next frontier will be the empty lots along Cheyenne, Boulder, Main and Boston north of 244. Literally a blank slate primed for new housing of all types. Excited to see the master plan that is being created for this area and for TDA’s approach which is to do individual RFP’s for development on each block.
Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: Jacobei on May 25, 2021, 08:29:38 pm It's not surprising at all to me that they greatly expanded capacity. Remember that it's housing for GKFF folks. Those programs are expanding all the time, including those of at Holberton. I think this has just been waiting for the OKPop museum to get closer to completion. It has access to the east choked off.
Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: Tulsan on May 26, 2021, 09:21:01 am Wow, they actually added to it. It's going to be hard to see the Tulsa skyline from 244 after all these 11 story buildings are built, lol It definitely looks like they added a second tower that’s not in the previous permitting plans. However that could just be an earlier concept that the architect shared for fun. No way to check u til the ransomware attack is resolved and the permitting portal is back up and running. Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: Jeff P on May 26, 2021, 09:35:32 am "Tea Shop" looks amaing. ;D
Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: LandArchPoke on May 26, 2021, 09:36:25 am It definitely looks like they added a second tower that’s not in the previous permitting plans. However that could just be an earlier concept that the architect shared for fun. No way to check u til the ransomware attack is resolved and the permitting portal is back up and running. I had looked through permits a few months ago and didn't see anything new for that site - so it could either be very new to the design or an older concept. My bet is it's not an older concept given the quality of the rendering. Rendering like that are in the thousands of dollars because they are sent to third parties to complete usually unless Lily has someone on staff who is a rendering wizard. So I doubt they would have wasted money for that upfront on just a concept idea. It's not surprising at all to me that they greatly expanded capacity. Remember that it's housing for GKFF folks. Those programs are expanding all the time, including those of at Holberton. I think this has just been waiting for the OKPop museum to get closer to completion. It has access to the east choked off. I had heard that the plan was for most of this to be housing for Holberton and was why they applied for workforce housing funds from the state a while back. I'm still confused on what happened with that, because they were awarded fund but I have never been able to find much more details on the requirements that came with that award if there was a time frame required for them to start and complete the project. I know it required a certain amount of units to be set aside at 80% AMI at least. Looks like the new tower is only 5 stories above the retail, so that portion might be the workforce housing component and would likely be wood construction above the retail podium. Then the tower part might be market rate residential units. Just speculation on my part though. Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: shavethewhales on June 22, 2023, 09:12:17 am It's alive:
https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/320-unit-multifamily-development-gets-ok-from-partnertulsa-work-starts-next-month-in-arts-district/article_0449b644-0f7c-11ee-857d-fb3537ea7b84.html#tracking-source=home-top-story Awesome that this is moving ahead, and great that construction is almost about to start! This is going to do wonders for our resiliency. Having affordable housing for the local workforce is so important. This plus the development that includes the Arrive hotel across from Hunt Club will really reshape the area over the next year. That's going to be around 500 new residents for the arts district. Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: SXSW on June 22, 2023, 12:04:33 pm Renderings from the TW
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/c9/8c97d8e4-0fc4-11ee-925e-d732bf993495/64923a4b2a76b.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C777) (https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/71/b71e4698-0fc4-11ee-b271-6349e35c33d5/64923a658181e.image.jpg?resize=495%2C500) (https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/b4454da/2147483647/strip/true/crop/802x518+0+0/resize/802x518!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fewscripps-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F93%2Fb5%2F284f8f62412aa79698750f178d20%2Fscreenshot-2023-06-22-113824.png) Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: ComeOnBenjals on June 22, 2023, 01:23:07 pm Very good news - 7 stories will be a good jolt of height in the area. Downtown population should continue to increase!
Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: ComeOnBenjals on August 01, 2023, 11:29:50 am Work is starting to pick up again on this site, seen some earth movement happening.
Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: shavethewhales on August 01, 2023, 01:17:34 pm That's good to hear. Hopefully the Arrive hotel/apartment project just south of this is also about to kick off. It is due to start this month. These two huge projects together will be a seismic shift for the Arts district.
Title: Re: Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder Post by: SXSW on August 01, 2023, 04:23:35 pm That's good to hear. Hopefully the Arrive hotel/apartment project just south of this is also about to kick off. It is due to start this month. These two huge projects together will be a seismic shift for the Arts district. I've heard the Pivot mixed-use garage/apartment/hotel project construction start has been pushed to the beginning of 2024. Still moving along but not yet in for permit review. It will be interesting to see which starts first: The Annex or Pivot..? |